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Wiring house with Internet.

liftedpsd2010 660 174 May 9, 2016 at 11:53 AM
I have a two story home that is about 2 years old and we are finally getting Comcast fiber. Now what's the easiest way to wire some rooms for internet? What kind of cable should I run and anything I should know while doing this? I can get pretty much any Ethernet cable for next to nothing do I'd want to run the best there is right now so I don't regret it later. Thank you.

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Run CAT6 solid copper, no Copper Clad, or Stranded. If price was no object you could go with a shielded cable but it won't be "Faster" then non shielded. It's the practical answer that will be quite future compatible. Leave some pull strings for the future. Pulling fiber is impractical for the home. Also none of your devices use it and it's expensive. Leaving a pull string or conduit would allow you to add something in the future if you want.

I just wired my home for networking made some threads on it.
http://slickdeals.net/f/8504803-wiring-my-house-and-i-want-your-input?v=1
http://slickdeals.net/f/8641118-results-networking-my-house?v=1

Let me know what questions you have. The planning you do now will be a benefit for the future. I don't envy your attic time with the heat coming. Do you have any experience with running wiring or terminating networking?
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I have a two story home that is about 2 years old and we are finally getting Comcast fiber. Now what's the easiest way to wire some rooms for internet? What kind of cable should I run and anything I should know while doing this? I can get pretty much any Ethernet cable for next to nothing do I'd want to run the best there is right now so I don't regret it later. Thank you.
Agree with Liquid, run solid copper cat6. Even if you only terminate 1 of them, run at least 2 drops to every location (4 for a TV or computer), plus a pull string for the future.

Do you have a basement? Attic? Crawl space? Any aversion to making holes in drywall to pull cables?

In addition to Liquid's threads about his experience (great reference, BTW), there are several other threads here on SD about network wiring. Read them all. Get a good punch-down tool (the cheapo ones that come with monoprice's patch panels are fine for a few terminations, but get a good one for doing a whole house). Make sure you have enough materials (and it's best to have 2 or more spools to pull from, so you can pull both lines to a drop at once).

Planning is key. Make sure you know where you want your jacks in each room, and think about where the next homeowners may want them - it's easier to run a few more drops now and increase versatility than it is to do it later. You may wind up rearranging the room in a couple years, too. Maybe a desk makes sense on two opposite walls in a study, for example, in which case run lines to both walls now. Make sure you know which way your joists go, where your HVAC ducts are, and where your existing electric, plumbing, and gas lines are (if possible). If you're going to run cable through HVAC ductwork, make sure it's rated to do so.

Are you going to wire for cameras? An alarm system? The whole house or just select rooms?
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Thank you guys for the responses. I have a two story and no basement. The top story has pretty good attic access. The first floor is going to be interesting. And I'll probably run to each room upstairs there is 4 and I have a big office/closet upstairs that I'll run. Downstairs my main concern is the living room where the tv and ps4 is. I'd like my os4 to be hard wired. And I haven't ever terminated Ethernet cable however my neighbor has worked on fiber and Ethernet at Disney since the 80s so I'll borrow his terminating tool and get tips from him. I've already got a security system and cameras so I won't be running cables to there. Thanks again. This should be an interesting job.
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I haven't ever terminated Ethernet cable however my neighbor has worked on fiber and Ethernet at Disney since the 80s so I'll borrow his terminating tool and get tips from him.
So we've clear, there are 2 ways to terminate ethernet cable:
-punch down on a jack / patch panel
-crimp with rj-45 modular plugs

For in wall cables, punch down jacks and panels are the only appropriate thing to use. Some people have a misguided notion that using rj-45 plugs is easier, it isn't. mod plugs are slow, tedious, and unreliable. While we're at it, don't make your own patch cables (used between wall jacks / panels and devices), diy patch cables are failure prone and stranded cable is better for patch cables.

There are links to many of the other discussions on the subject in LiquidRetro's recent thread. Since you can get the cable cheap, definitely get 2 spools or boxes of cable that are different colors so you can pull them at the same time and id them easier.

As far as the downstairs, find interior walls that line up between floors, especially any in closets or similar spaces. If you have to you can always play a card from the cable installer's handbook and run it down on the exterior, but avoid that if possible and don't forget drip loops. Age of the house will impact prevalence of firestops / balloon framing.

My other advice is don't go too crazy, what's appropriate for wiring an existing house and one that's under construction are very different. Plan everything out that you think you want to do, do 1 or 2 runs to start and evaluate if your plans need adjustment.
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Ok thanks for the advice will probably be starting it soon gotta get the cable and tools ready. I won't be drilling in the outside of the house lol. I'd rather go wireless than to do that. It's also a brand new house. I'll only need wires in the living room downstairs I don't see a reason or need in a half bath, kitchen, garage or laundry room. So that shouldn't be to bad im hoping. The upstairs I can access 90% so I'm good there.
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Ok thanks for the advice will probably be starting it soon gotta get the cable and tools ready. I won't be drilling in the outside of the house lol. I'd rather go wireless than to do that. It's also a brand new house. I'll only need wires in the living room downstairs I don't see a reason or need in a half bath, kitchen, garage or laundry room. So that shouldn't be to bad im hoping. The upstairs I can access 90% so I'm good there.
If you have a copy of the blueprints it will make planning easier. If not, see if you can get a digital copy of the blueprints from the builder / architect (without too much effort). If you've got a paper copy, get them scanned at staples or kinkos.

You can do a pdf underlay in many cad programs including free options like draftsight and freecad.

If for some reason it's too difficult to get directly to the tv, a run anywhere in the vicinity is still worthwhile as it could be used for a second access point for maximal reception if needed.
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OP, your home is new construction. Builders are still in the habit of placing RJ11 wall plates in most rooms. If you have this, open a wall plate - it should be Cat 6. If this is the case, just purchase new wall plates to accommodate data and voice (I am assuming you have an OBI Wink )
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OP, your home is new construction. Builders are still in the habit of placing RJ11 wall plates in most rooms. If you have this, open a wall plate - it should be Cat 6. If this is the case, just purchase new wall plates to accommodate data and voice (I am assuming you have an OBI Wink )
Thanks I'll check this. I know I have a wall plate in my room and in the kitchen. And maybe one other room. I am all new to this wiring my house for Internet. I'm on mobile phone so haven't had a chance to check out those links. If I'm correct I'd start running cables and have them all start from the same place and then run the end to each room.. I think I'm going to run all my cables to my office by my master bedroom. Do I use a switch to make all those Ethernet jacks or how would I power those Ethernet jacks with Internet? I think I will have 12 active Ethernet ports throughout the house maybe a little more. Thank you and also before this I had some other internet and I have a nanostation m5 laying around doing nothing. Can I use this for anything good or is it just a paper weight now?
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OP, your home is new construction. Builders are still in the habit of placing RJ11 wall plates in most rooms. If you have this, open a wall plate - it should be Cat 6. If this is the case, just purchase new wall plates to accommodate data and voice (I am assuming you have an OBI Wink )
It's certainly worth checking, but even if they ran Cat-5e/6 is doesn't guarantee that they ran it in the star topology ethernet requires.
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Thanks I'll check this. I know I have a wall plate in my room and in the kitchen. And maybe one other room. I am all new to this wiring my house for Internet. I'm on mobile phone so haven't had a chance to check out those links. If I'm correct I'd start running cables and have them all start from the same place and then run the end to each room.. I think I'm going to run all my cables to my office by my master bedroom. Do I use a switch to make all those Ethernet jacks or how would I power those Ethernet jacks with Internet? I think I will have 12 active Ethernet ports throughout the house maybe a little more. Thank you and also before this I had some other internet and I have a nanostation m5 laying around doing nothing. Can I use this for anything good or is it just a paper weight now?
Rethink your 12 lines, I would run a minimum of 2 lines per box. Its very little additional effort to run 2 wires when you were going to run 1 instead and is nice for flexibility.

Your basic understanding is right. Your office works but isn't probably where I would put it. Think about the next home owners, they might not use that room as an office (Depending on design). I also think it would be hard to do a clean install without a closet or something to put stuff in. Your going to have a couple of dozen wires coming out of the wall and you would need a place to terminate them and then hook up your switch (which needs power) so I think a cosset would probably be a better choice if you don't have a basement. Where is your electrical panel at?

You can always run a line from your cable modem or soon to be ONT to where your router and switch will be, personally i put them together in my install.

Your Nanostation is a wireless point to point system. Not sure what you were doing with it but from what you described here in this post I don't see a use for it.
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I wouldn't get bent out of shape too much on physical wires. They are better yes but wireless is so good now that it really isn't necessary. I ran physical wires to where it was easy since I used to run network cabling for a living, but if you are not familiar with the process, you might want to rethink the physical cable idea. They are needed for security cameras where you can do PoE but everything else will work fine with wireless.
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Thanks I'll check this. I know I have a wall plate in my room and in the kitchen. And maybe one other room. I am all new to this wiring my house for Internet. I'm on mobile phone so haven't had a chance to check out those links. If I'm correct I'd start running cables and have them all start from the same place and then run the end to each room..
Sounds like the most difficult part may already be done (wire runs). Look for the TELCO service network interface box, typically near your electric meter. Looks something like this closed:



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I think I'm going to run all my cables to my office by my master bedroom.
Think this project through, you have plenty of time - don't rush to get it done. You may start off something like this initially:



Then grow to this:



You do not want the latter near your living area. Consider a garage, or basement for placement.

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Do I use a switch to make all those Ethernet jacks or how would I power those Ethernet jacks with Internet? I think I will have 12 active Ethernet ports throughout the house maybe a little more.
Ideally you would run all the cabling (or intercept the already wired cables in your home) and terminate to a patch panel. Short runs of ethernet cables plug into the switch. The switch will provide data links to to your proposed jack (termination points). Your ISP modem will connect to that switch to provide internet. Now there are some cool switches out there that provide POE (power over ethernet) and can do some cool network stuff like VLANs and such...so keep that in mind when planning..

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Thank you and also before this I had some other internet and I have a nanostation m5 laying around doing nothing. Can I use this for anything good or is it just a paper weight now?
You can resell the nanostation.

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It's certainly worth checking, but even if they ran Cat-5e/6 is doesn't guarantee that they ran it in the star topology ethernet requires.
Just a matter of re-wiring.

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I wouldn't get bent out of shape too much on physical wires. They are better yes but wireless is so good now that it really isn't necessary. I ran physical wires to where it was easy since I used to run network cabling for a living, but if you are not familiar with the process, you might want to rethink the physical cable idea. They are needed for security cameras where you can do PoE but everything else will work fine with wireless.
You do not subscribe to the Battlestar Galactica school of thought I see. Smilie
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Ok yes I have the telco box outside my home at lunch I will check to see what kind of cable they actually used. If they used cat6 and I know one is ran to my room and one to kitchen and one to the other rooms, what would be the easiest way to utilize those for Internet? I don't have or need a home phone nor will I ever get one.

Oh and here is my home floor plans.
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Ok yes I have the telco box outside my home at lunch I will check to see what kind of cable they actually used. If they used cat6 and I know one is ran to my room and one to kitchen and one to the other rooms, what would be the easiest way to utilize those for Internet? I don't have or need a home phone nor will I ever get one.

Oh and here is my home floor plans.

For some strange reason it only allows one picture when I upload so here is the first floor.
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