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Critical Update - Silent Slickdeals Movement

AnonymousA5351 44 18 May 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM
It has been two months since I first posted my thread about how SlickDeals could be best preserved as the great site it is today by maintaining low-profile characteristics and keeping it a private forum by having all users including the admin and moderators take an anti-promotional, lips-sealed approach to make sure SlickDeals remains a carefully-preserved treasure trove. This movement was named the Silent Slickdeals Movement [pastebin.com].

That thread was quickly locked by a moderator that opposed the idea so much he did not wish there to be any discussion about it by users, saying that SlickDeals should be an open and advertised place where people could go to find deals.

Since the new year and that thread, Slickdeals has changed tremendously:
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The site has shot up in traffic by nearly 45 percent since late last year. It has gone up so high that it has almost hit the top 250 websites visited in the entire world. While this may be a good thing for most websites, there is one thing to be absolutely clear about:

This is a horrible trend for SlickDeals.

The more people on the site, the worse off all SlickDeals members will be. If there is no change by YOU, SlickDeals member, and the rest of the userbase and its staff, you can expect:
-Far Fewer Deals
-Far Worse Deals
-Far More Empty Deals (deals disappearing almost instantly after coming up)
-Far Less Involved Userbase

As the population of viewers increases, as will the attention drawn to the deals themselves. Stores will catch on and deals will disappear. Just recently I called a store over a deal only to find out that there had been NINE other callers. The deal was less than half a day old. The few deals left will not be worth making threads over, and the added population will only lead to more lurkers and an overall less-educated userbase.

It's been two months since I first posted the thread, and since then things have only gotten worse for SlickDeals. If you agree that SlickDeals should be preserved as the site it was before it began this downward decline, join the Silent Slickdeals Movement [pastebin.com], change your signature and user title, and support the cause.


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Nice Try !! Good luck finding support ...

While I agree with most of what you said ... Its their business model and we are here as community members to find /share deals. If the SD staff decides to promote certain deals ,its their choice and as every business they want to make $$$ very quick .

Many members of SD have moved away from here and started sharing Slick deals elsewhere where they know it wont be abused.
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It has been two months since I first posted my thread about how SlickDeals could be best preserved as the great site it is today by maintaining low-profile characteristics and keeping it a private forum by having all users including the admin and moderators take an anti-promotional, lips-sealed approach to make sure SlickDeals remains a carefully-preserved treasure trove. This movement was named the Silent Slickdeals Movement [pastebin.com].

That thread was quickly locked by a moderator that opposed the idea so much he did not wish there to be any discussion about it by users, saying that SlickDeals should be an open and advertised place where people could go to find deals.

Since the new year and that thread, Slickdeals has changed tremendously:
SELECT PICTURE TO MAGNIFY


The site has shot up in traffic by nearly 45 percent since late last year. It has gone up so high that it has almost hit the top 250 websites visited in the entire world. While this may be a good thing for most websites, there is one thing to be absolutely clear about:

This is a horrible trend for SlickDeals.

The more people on the site, the worse off all SlickDeals members will be. If there is no change by YOU, SlickDeals member, and the rest of the userbase and its staff, you can expect:
-Far Fewer Deals
-Far Worse Deals
-Far More Empty Deals (deals disappearing almost instantly after coming up)
-Far Less Involved Userbase

As the population of viewers increases, as will the attention drawn to the deals themselves. Stores will catch on and deals will disappear. Just recently I called a store over a deal only to find out that there had been NINE other callers. The deal was less than half a day old. The few deals left will not be worth making threads over, and the added population will only lead to more lurkers and an overall less-educated userbase.

It's been two months since I first posted the thread, and since then things have only gotten worse for SlickDeals. If you agree that SlickDeals should be preserved as the site it was before it began this downward decline, join the Silent Slickdeals Movement [pastebin.com], change your signature and user title, and support the cause.


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have you ever taken a course on business or economics?
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Hi,

With a limited number of members a limited number of deals and deal types would be had.

Lets say we kept the membership low and 90% of those members loved computer deals and camera deals. Then we wouldn't be as likely to find great deals on kids toys and clothing.

By getting as many people as possible to learn about slickdeals the more deals will be found and shared. More types of deals as well.

It also gives leverage. If you think about it.... we know merchants watch sites like ours. They want to know what people are saying about them and how they are shopping.

If a merchant sees discussion about some customer service issue or defective products they know what to fix internally. The SD effect is a real thing.


*I'll give an example of one I noticed shortly after joining SD. A merchant (I won't name them) had huge issues with rebates. People were discussing it in every thread for them that popped up on our site.

I was brand new here.. and read all of those threads when a deal was posted. Apparently the merchant did too and members who avoided buying through them affected their bottom line and they started doing damage control. They became much more conscientious of customer service and word of mouth.

They are now one of the top sellers in their categories. They read the complaints and turned things around.


We make a difference and the more people we have the more we can do that.

As far as deals go.. I like having more things to impulse buy laugh out loud I do that a lot.
More people ...more deal sharers...makes us better not worse.

I see that you joined in 2014. What if we had kept secretive back in '05 or '08 and you never found out about Slickdeals and never had the chance to save money?

We've had some amazing deals posted by newer members.

Fresh eyes and deal hunters helps all of us.
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Hi,

With a limited number of members a limited number of deals and deal types would be had.

Lets say we kept the membership low and 90% of those members loved computer deals and camera deals. Then we wouldn't be as likely to find great deals on kids toys and clothing.

By getting as many people as possible to learn about slickdeals the more deals will be found and shared. More types of deals as well.

It also gives leverage. If you think about it.... we know merchants watch sites like ours. They want to know what people are saying about them and how they are shopping.

If a merchant sees discussion about some customer service issue or defective products they know what to fix internally. The SD effect is a real thing.


*I'll give an example of one I noticed shortly after joining SD. A merchant (I won't name them) had huge issues with rebates. People were discussing it in every thread for them that popped up on our site.

I was brand new here.. and read all of those threads when a deal was posted. Apparently the merchant did too and members who avoided buying through them affected their bottom line and they started doing damage control. They became much more conscientious of customer service and word of mouth.

They are now one of the top sellers in their categories. They read the complaints and turned things around.


We make a difference and the more people we have the more we can do that.

As far as deals go.. I like having more things to impulse buy laugh out loud I do that a lot.
More people ...more deal sharers...makes us better not worse.

I see that you joined in 2014. What if we had kept secretive back in '05 or '08 and you never found out about Slickdeals and never had the chance to save money?

We've had some amazing deals posted by newer members.

Fresh eyes and deal hunters helps all of us.
It sounds good on paper and in theory, but when actually practiced the site gets diluted by an overwhelming mass non-contributing members. Additionally, while it's good that the website can help companies, the primary reason people come is to find deals, and the more companies aware of SlickDeals, the less deals there will be.

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Nice Try !! Good luck finding support ...

While I agree with most of what you said ... Its their business model and we are here as community members to find /share deals. If the SD staff decides to promote certain deals ,its their choice and as every business they want to make $$$ very quick .

Many members of SD have moved away from here and started sharing Slick deals elsewhere where they know it wont be abused.
I was considering writing about how the admin and moderators might be so against this because less views means less money for them, but I'd prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are equally interested in making a better SlickDeals.
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It sounds good on paper and in theory, but when actually practiced the site gets diluted by an overwhelming mass non-contributing members. Additionally, while it's good that the website can help companies, the primary reason people come is to find deals, and the more companies aware of SlickDeals, the less deals there will be.



I was considering writing about how the admin and moderators might be so against this because less views means less money for them, but I'd prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are equally interested in making a better SlickDeals.
The point was, it helped members. The deals from their site became great.

We all want great deals.

How many deals have you posted?
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This would be a brilliant idea if there was some way to make it retroactive to about ten years ago.
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Quote from UnkKnown View Post :
Nice Try !! Good luck finding support ...

While I agree with most of what you said ... Its their business model and we are here as community members to find /share deals. If the SD staff decides to promote certain deals ,its their choice and as every business they want to make $$$ very quick .

Many members of SD have moved away from here and started sharing Slick deals elsewhere where they know it wont be abused.
I'm not sure what you mean by abused, but this is foremost a community to share deals, always has been and always will be.

To the OP: slickdeals is not here as some secret squirrel members only club. It is an active community where people (anyone and everyone) can help each other find deals and save money. While you may seek to make this an exclusive club out of greed, that goes against the entire foundation of the website when it was just the founder posting deals he found. He did it to share deals with other so that they can also save money, he didn't do it just for a select group of friends, he made it public.

In my opinion, our success can be measured by how many people we help find a deal. Price mistakes and what not are still found, and picked up quickly by our forum regulars, but we also are able to find great deals on items that lots of people can participate in. The truth is, now that slickdeals has scale, and lots of users looking for things, we can sometimes leverage the size of the community to create deals that otherwise wouldn't happen.

It is naive to think that you would be able to hide things from public view successfully. The nature of great deals is that they're viral and worth sharing with your friends. Your ask is similar to merchants sending cease and desist notices to Slickdeals because we're advertising a coupon code designed for snail mail and not the internet: futile.

Edit: 5/25/2016


Furthermore, just to illustrate some facts about the quality of deals on Slickdeals, here is a yearly analysis of the number of 100+ frontpage deals by year.


2010: 671
2011: 892
2012: 990
2013: 1411
2014: 2064
2015: 3085


And regardless of how you might try to interpret that, the fact is, only the very best deals can garner over 100+ scores, so the volume and quantity of deals, and the people who like them have grown as our audience has grown and as our company has grown. So, that being said, I think that if we look at this objectively, this is a positive trend for our community.
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I'm not sure what you mean by abused, but this is foremost a community to share deals, always has been and always will be.

To the OP: slickdeals is not here as some secret squirrel members only club. It is an active community where people (anyone and everyone) can help each other find deals and save money. While you may seek to make this an exclusive club out of greed, that goes against the entire foundation of the website when it was just the founder posting deals he found. He did it to share deals with other so that they can also save money, he didn't do it just for a select group of friends, he made it public.

In my opinion, our success can be measured by how many people we help find a deal. Price mistakes and what not are still found, and picked up quickly by our forum regulars, but we also are able to find great deals on items that lots of people can participate in. The truth is, now that slickdeals has scale, and lots of users looking for things, we can sometimes leverage the size of the community to create deals that otherwise wouldn't happen.

It is naive to think that you would be able to hide things from public view successfully. The nature of great deals is that they're viral and worth sharing with your friends. Your ask is similar to merchants sending cease and desist notices to Slickdeals because we're advertising a coupon code designed for snail mail and not the internet: futile.
As nice as it sounds to help everyone, and as much as we would like to, that's not possible. The current route SlickDeals is being taken is making people worse off. A pragmatic solution must be taken.

Case #1: Stop the Trend
-Deals available
-Average SlickDealer could easily peruse the forum, browsing through deals and taking their time to find one they enjoy, then go out for it at their leisure. A pleasant experience. Sometimes a few people miss a deal. A few people are disappointed occasionally, but don't give up, knowing they can get the next one.

Case #2: Continue the Trend
-Deals available
-Out of thousands of viewers, some seize and kill the limited deal instantly
-Deals are long dead by the time the average SlickDealer comes home from work and starts to look. Every thread seems futile. Hundreds of people each day are disappointed, missing deals that were posted mere hours before. People rush faster and faster to get the deals, but with thousands vying for them, they end up only dying within the first few moments. Leisurely browsing is now severe stress and anxiety. People give up on SlickDeals.

I, of course, have no actual control over this, but my hope is that enough users will realize that this is a problem and it will get fixed. Until then, please: take your pick from the two above. The site will either head one way or the other.
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You could always take the time to create a free facebook page/group and go start your own exclusive deals group... I'm not sure that it would be any different from here though. No matter how you proceeded, either beginning a new community or changing the current one, how would you limit the members? Who gets in? Who doesnt? How many members? What deals qualify? Which ones dont? Etc. Seems like a much more censored environment, in my opinion. I'm actually surprised that this post wasn't deleted by the mods! If it were restricted to the way you'd prefer, it probably would have been deleted already.
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You could always take the time to create a free facebook page/group and go start your own exclusive deals group... I'm not sure that it would be any different from here though. No matter how you proceeded, either beginning a new community or changing the current one, how would you limit the members? Who gets in? Who doesnt? How many members? What deals qualify? Which ones dont? Etc. Seems like a much more censored environment, in my opinion. I'm actually surprised that this post wasn't deleted by the mods! If it were restricted to the way you'd prefer, it probably would have been deleted already.
I'm really not sure how I could possibly explain it any simpler than I already have. I have no idea how you came up with all of that. Maybe a somewhat-related comic will help you:


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Seems like a much more censored environment, in my opinion. I'm actually surprised that this post wasn't deleted by the mods! If it were restricted to the way you'd prefer, it probably would have been deleted already.
You appear to not like censorship, but then defend the site while admitting you expected this post to be censored? What?
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I think what OP was saying could be summarized as below...

Years ago when community was small - He was able to get in the site anytime and find incredible deals. Pick and choose what he wants and he is happy.


Today SD is huge and no matter how long he peels his eyes and sit on the forums or feeds or alerts he is finding it very hard to even catch one good deal.


I think its a personal problem.
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I think what OP was saying could be summarized as below...

Years ago when community was small - He was able to get in the site anytime and find incredible deals. Pick and choose what he wants and he is happy.


Today SD is huge and no matter how long he peels his eyes and sit on the forums or feeds or alerts he is finding it very hard to even catch one good deal.


I think its a personal problem.
The only difference is it affects millions of people [siteworthtraffic.com]. And soon enough, almost no one will be able to catch a good deal.
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I'm not sure what you mean by abused, but this is foremost a community to share deals, always has been and always will be.

To the OP: slickdeals is not here as some secret squirrel members only club. It is an active community where people (anyone and everyone) can help each other find deals and save money. While you may seek to make this an exclusive club out of greed, that goes against the entire foundation of the website when it was just the founder posting deals he found. He did it to share deals with other so that they can also save money, he didn't do it just for a select group of friends, he made it public.

In my opinion, our success can be measured by how many people we help find a deal. Price mistakes and what not are still found, and picked up quickly by our forum regulars, but we also are able to find great deals on items that lots of people can participate in. The truth is, now that slickdeals has scale, and lots of users looking for things, we can sometimes leverage the size of the community to create deals that otherwise wouldn't happen.

It is naive to think that you would be able to hide things from public view successfully. The nature of great deals is that they're viral and worth sharing with your friends. Your ask is similar to merchants sending cease and desist notices to Slickdeals because we're advertising a coupon code designed for snail mail and not the internet: futile.
These days , only deals which can bring in $$$ to SD are promoted. Its no longer the site which promotes community sharing. Deals which are posted by staff and Mods are quickly promoted to FP for obvious reason and inturn people are mislead into believing that these are TRUE SDs.

Companies who find it difficult to sell a product can now cut a deal with SD and get their stuff off the shelf within hours ! Its more of an Ad agency than crowd sourced community...
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These days , only deals which can bring in $$$ to SD are promoted. Its no longer the site which promotes community sharing. Deals which are posted by staff and Mods are quickly promoted to FP for obvious reason and inturn people are mislead into believing that these are TRUE SDs.

Companies who find it difficult to sell a product can now cut a deal with SD and get their stuff off the shelf within hours ! Its more of an Ad agency than crowd sourced community...
That is not true, and I would appreciate if you would stop spreading this misinformation.

For instance, our deal editors have complete autonomy to frontpage deals they seem worthy, users vote on what they like and don't like, and even our featured deals section only allows existing frontpage deals to be promoted there.

At the end of the day the community votes and that's sacrosanct. No merchant can pay to be promoted to the frontpage, ever. Even beyond that no merchant can pay for votes either. So if a deal is on the frontpage and has lots of votes you can thank your peer community for that.

Granted there are some rules about what doesn't make it to the FP like ymmv, or sometimes our deal editors misjudge a deal (but if they promote something and it doesn't get traction they take it down too) because they're human.

But you also have to remember 100% of our deal editors were recruited from our community of top deal posters. 100%
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