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Last Edited by BeAuMaN May 30, 2016 at 06:41 PM
Picked up the Vizio 4K 55" M55-C2 last night for only $538.99. Saved another 5% with my red card.

Store Item Number (DPCI): 008-09-1555
http://www.target.com/p/vizio-55-...=vizio+m55

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Shout out to this similar thread, which is now closed.

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A few thoughts on the TV (which I've only had set up for 6 hours or so!):

TV is adequate, and a nice bargain at $539. Nearly the same quality picture as my old, failing 2007 high-end 46" Samsung (originally around $3-4K, though I only paid $1500).

+ Blacks are very nice on this TV (need to calibrate a bit more)
+ Blu-rays look nice, as did the Wii-U games (which really popped)
+ Chromecast worked well

- Sound is NOT good.
- Haven't been able to find great settings for the picture yet.
- App store is Yahoo-based and pretty bleak. Would be a huge gift if Vizio updated, but I'm not holding my breath
- 4K content will be hard to find or pricey. Will most likely be using satellite and 1080 Blu-Ray.
- As some have said, only 60Hz refresh for this model, need 60" for 120Hz native
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TV blows your 2008 TV away. It's actually not even close. It's one of the best televisions for the money. Amazon and Netflix both have 4K content cheap.Hopefully since the 4k blu ray standard is now settled and players are on their way out we'll get more older movies made into 4K and more cable tv 4k content. Probably by next year you'll see the beginnings of a major shift into 4K from 1080p.
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TV blows your 2008 TV away. It's actually not even close. It's one of the best televisions for the money. .
not necessarily

For the MSRP he mentioned he could have had a full array with local dimming model
If that is the case it would have had about 3x more dimming zones than the Vizio

and then the fact that a samsung ..at that price back then...would have had a 120hz native panel

This Vizio is a 60 hz panel...however as you mentioned its a good TV for the money
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TV blows your 2008 TV away. It's actually not even close. It's one of the best televisions for the money. Amazon and Netflix both have 4K content cheap.Hopefully since the 4k blu ray standard is now settled and players are on their way out we'll get more older movies made into 4K and more cable tv 4k content. Probably by next year you'll see the beginnings of a major shift into 4K from 1080p.
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not necessarily

For the MSRP he mentioned he could have had a full array with local dimming model
If that is the case it would have had about 3x more dimming zones than the Vizio

and then the fact that a samsung ..at that price back then...would have had a 120hz native panel

This Vizio is a 60 hz panel...however as you mentioned its a good TV for the money
Fun discussion! My old TV is a Samsung LNT4681f. It did have full array with local dimming, but, as the first of it's kind for Samsung, only had a 60hz panel. Even at only 1080p, picture quality is pretty similar to the Vizio (I have both set up for now, one right above the other - I still give the edge to the Samsung on some sources), though I agree, the Vizio was a good buy!

For the curious Smilie
http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-ln-t81f/
http://gizmodo.com/312112/first-h...-best-ever
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Fun discussion! My old TV is a Samsung LNT4681f. It did have full array with local dimming, but, as the first of it's kind for Samsung, only had a 60hz panel. Even at only 1080p, picture quality is pretty similar to the Vizio (I have both set up for now, one right above the other - I still give the edge to the Samsung on some sources), though I agree, the Vizio was a good buy!

For the curious Smilie
http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-ln-t81f/
http://gizmodo.com/312112/first-h...-best-ever
I was thinking you might have had this one introduced in 2008

http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-lna950/#!
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I was thinking you might have had this one introduced in 2008

http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-lna950/#!
Good guess. Looks like that's a model year newer, but similar set. I was off on the year. I bought in 2008, but the TV I got was introduced in 2007.
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Fun discussion! My old TV is a Samsung LNT4681f. It did have full array with local dimming, but, as the first of it's kind for Samsung, only had a 60hz panel. Even at only 1080p, picture quality is pretty similar to the Vizio (I have both set up for now, one right above the other - I still give the edge to the Samsung on some sources), though I agree, the Vizio was a good buy!

For the curious Smilie
http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-ln-t81f/
http://gizmodo.com/312112/first-h...-best-ever
Video geeks have competitions pretty much every year to see what is the best television of the year. Back then the Pioneer dominated the market with their 'Kuro' models. Here's a comparison of the Kuro and other top televisions from 2008. Your Samsung is top right. Black levels matter the most with picture quality. As you can see your Samsung is not even in the neighborhood. Samsung and Panasonic plasmas starting in 2013 finally reached the Kuro's black levels. Local dimming televisions of today like this Vizio can now approach those black levels. However, off axis is still atrocious no matter which non plasma you have.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/0...-hands-on/

http://gizmodo.com/388080/pioneer...-beat-all/

In a darkened room with same blu ray feed the Vizio will look better. Then you have to factor in that you aren't even seeing it shine because you probably don't own a 4k blu ray. Once you do you'll see there is a massive difference in PQ.

I agree that your Samsung along with Sony's XBR8 are legit top LEDs. But the jump from 1080p to 4K, 60 hz to 120 hz, difference in black levels (might be very close) and color all make the Vizio a much better TV.
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Video geeks have competitions pretty much every year to see what is the best television of the year. Back then the Pioneer dominated the market with their 'Kuro' models. Here's a comparison of the Kuro and other top televisions from 2008. Your Samsung is top right. Black levels matter the most with picture quality. As you can see your Samsung is not even in the neighborhood. Samsung and Panasonic plasmas starting in 2013 finally reached the Kuro's black levels. Local dimming televisions of today like this Vizio can now approach those black levels. However, off axis is still atrocious no matter which non plasma you have.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/0...-hands-on/ [engadget.com]

http://gizmodo.com/388080/pioneer...-beat-all/ [gizmodo.com]

In a darkened room with same blu ray feed the Vizio will look better. Then you have to factor in that you aren't even seeing it shine because you probably don't own a 4k blu ray. Once you do you'll see there is a massive difference in PQ.

I agree that your Samsung along with Sony's XBR8 are legit top LEDs. But the jump from 1080p to 4K, 60 hz to 120 hz, difference in black levels (might be very close) and color all make the Vizio a much better TV.
Thanks - hope that turns out to be true, though thus far, just not seeing it. Maybe once I get the calibration right. And you are correct, off-axis is atrocious. As is the audio. Did look nice in a darkened room. M55-C2 is only 60Hz (like my old Samsung), so no advantage there.

Appreciate the info though!
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Price is still showing at $799. How to get it down to $539?
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Thanks - hope that turns out to be true, though thus far, just not seeing it. Maybe once I get the calibration right. And you are correct, off-axis is atrocious. As is the audio. Did look nice in a darkened room. M55-C2 is only 60Hz (like my old Samsung), so no advantage there.

Appreciate the info though!
Hmmm..I see conflicting reports on the 120 hz. On CNET it says 60 hz but on Amazon it says 120 hz. I believe maybe only the 60" and above models get the 120 hz.

http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-M55-C...B00T63YW38

yeah, PQ is great but as far as the latest and greatest future proof 4K features that allow you to enjoy all that 4K blu ray provides, this won't do it. It doesn't have HDR support, wide color gamut or 3D. Still, for 2015 set it's great. I've been putting off a 4K purchase until all the above features were included at a good price like this was Probably by next Summer prices for 4K TV will come down and Sony will have come out with a blu ray player or the PS4K comes to fruition.

All I know is when they play the 4K feeds at Best Buy I'm blown away. Even then, those feeds aren't as good as 4K blu ray will be so seeing all our favorite old movies in 4K (all moves filmed using 35mm or above can easily be transferred to 4K) will be a treat. It's a bigger jump to 4K from 1080p than it was to go from standard TV to HDTV.

Here's a thread on AVS Forums for your TV. Maybe try these calibration settings out:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166...st39178938

Try to come back and let us know how your TV looks or post pics once you dial it in and play 4K content. These are great 4K intro sets that are increasingly coming up on sale
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Price is still showing at $799. How to get it down to $539?
Found it in store at that price while on a Doritos run.
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Video geeks have competitions pretty much every year to see what is the best television of the year. Back then the Pioneer dominated the market with their 'Kuro' models. Here's a comparison of the Kuro and other top televisions from 2008. Your Samsung is top right. Black levels matter the most with picture quality. As you can see your Samsung is not even in the neighborhood. Samsung and Panasonic plasmas starting in 2013 finally reached the Kuro's black levels. Local dimming televisions of today like this Vizio can now approach those black levels. However, off axis is still atrocious no matter which non plasma you have.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/0...-hands-on/

http://gizmodo.com/388080/pioneer...-beat-all/

In a darkened room with same blu ray feed the Vizio will look better. Then you have to factor in that you aren't even seeing it shine because you probably don't own a 4k blu ray. Once you do you'll see there is a massive difference in PQ.

I agree that your Samsung along with Sony's XBR8 are legit top LEDs. But the jump from 1080p to 4K, 60 hz to 120 hz, difference in black levels (might be very close) and color all make the Vizio a much better TV.
you are comparing LCD's from 2008 to today's LCD's

LED wise..you didnt mention the Sharp Elite...which bested plasmas at the time and even had a decent...though not plasma like...viewing angle
And to my knowledge it was true 240hz capable panel as well( 1080P)

http://www.cnet.com/news/sharp-el...-shootout/

Pretty sure none of the Vizio of today can match this 2011 model

But frankly...there is more too it
You will not receive better panel uniformity and natural color than from an emissive display...ie..plasma..or now OLED
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Hmmm..I see conflicting reports on the 120 hz. On CNET it says 60 hz but on Amazon it says 120 hz. I believe maybe only the 60" and above models get the 120 hz.

http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-M55-C...B00T63YW38 [amazon.com]

yeah, PQ is great but as far as the latest and greatest future proof 4K features that allow you to enjoy all that 4K blu ray provides, this won't do it. It doesn't have HDR support, wide color gamut or 3D. Still, for 2015 set it's great. I've been putting off a 4K purchase until all the above features were included at a good price like this was Probably by next Summer prices for 4K TV will come down and Sony will have come out with a blu ray player or the PS4K comes to fruition.

All I know is when they play the 4K feeds at Best Buy I'm blown away. Even then, those feeds aren't as good as 4K blu ray will be so seeing all our favorite old movies in 4K (all moves filmed using 35mm or above can easily be transferred to 4K) will be a treat. It's a bigger jump to 4K from 1080p than it was to go from standard TV to HDTV.

Here's a thread on AVS Forums for your TV. Maybe try these calibration settings out:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166...st39178938 [avsforum.com]

Try to come back and let us know how your TV looks or post pics once you dial it in and play 4K content. These are great 4K intro sets that are increasingly coming up on sale
Getting there with decent settings. It's growing on me, but I do have some work to do. Would prefer it to be 120hz native vs. 60hz native, but the 60" panel isn't available on clearance in my area.

I'm aware of the limitations and I don't consider this one "future-proof," but getting a 55" 3D set with HDR support and wide color gamut would've cost about double the clearance price of this one (or much more for a high end set). Bought this one on a whim, figured I'd give it a shot since old one was failing often. Should hold me over until one of the better sets comes down in price. Though, by that time, 3D may only be in the most expensive, highest end TVs. For Sony and Samsung, 3D was in the mid range sets in 2015, but this is no longer the case in 2016.

Anyway, if I find a better one at a decent price in 30 days, this will go back. Otherwise, I'll probably just move it to the basement in a few years when the prices for better sets become more affordable.

For anyone who can find it on clearance at Target, it's worth the $538.99 price.
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you are comparing LCD's from 2008 to today's LCD's

LED wise..you didnt mention the Sharp Elite...which bested plasmas at the time and even had a decent...though not plasma like...viewing angle
And to my knowledge it was true 240hz capable panel as well( 1080P)

http://www.cnet.com/news/sharp-el...-shootout/

Pretty sure none of the Vizio of today can match this 2011 model

But frankly...there is more too it
You will not receive better panel uniformity and natural color than from an emissive display...ie..plasma..or now OLED
The video is of a 2008 HDTV shootout. His Samsung (LED) is in top right corner and the Kuro plasma is in the middle. The video is to show how poor the off axis viewing is and black levels were back then compared to his new Vizio. Nobody brought up LCDs

The Sharp Elite won the HDTV shootout in 2011. Amazing TV!! Nobody said the Vizio he bought 'M Series' could beat the Sharp Elite. But the 'P' series probably matches it or comes pretty close. I've never had the money to afford the very best TVs like the Elite. I'm still kicking myself for not buying a Kuro Pro 151-FD I saw in Best Buy on clearance for $1500 back in the day. At the time we were waiting on Panasonic's new plasma models that promised to beat it. Of course, that didn't happen for another 5 years lol.

OLED>Samsung F8500>Panasonic ZT60>Sharp Elite>Kuro> in my opinion

I am grudgingly holding onto my Panasonic ST60 which is amazing, until OLED 4K or the Sony/Samsung/Vizio 4K with all the features comes down in price.
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got a floor model for $424 after tax
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