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PSA: Epson releases 2 4k projectors for under $3k

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I realize this is not technically a hot deal, but it's exciting news and I wanted to make sure anyone in the market for a projector or 4k tv saw it. Release date is August.

Epson Introduces World's First 3LCD Projectors with 4K UHD Signal Input and HDR for Under $3,000

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-re...87574.html

Note that this is 4k e-shift, but according to Projectorn Central, the differene is indiscernible.

Projector Central's announcement and notes including 2 other models:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/p..._id=712&em

One option is the cheaper 4040

Epson Pro Cinema 4040 ($2,699). Same features and distribution as 6040UB, but with moderately reduced performance (2300 lumens instead of 2500, and 160,000:1 contrast)
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This is the "Hot Deals" Forum, not the "News" forum.
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Good info. I appreciate it. How / where does someone post a news / update on an upcoming hot product or hot deal?
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TU and thanks for positing !

Given its not true or super HD or Ultra HD or whatever they call it's law of diminishing returns after a point. Yes contrast ratio has improved plus lens memory is good. Now let's get 20% off coupon please.

Btw if you are in market then Epson 5030ub is still $1600 after Amazon visa CC members only coupon is definitely a wise choice now. Hopefully drops to <$1500 in fall.
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"4K Enhancement Technology shifts each pixel diagonally by 0.5 pixels to double the resolution to 3840 x 2160 and surpass Full HD image quality. Resolution is 1920 x 1080 in 3D Mode."
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TU and thanks for positing !

Given its not true or super HD or Ultra HD or whatever they call it's law of diminishing returns after a point. Yes contrast ratio has improved plus lens memory is good. Now let's get 20% off coupon please.

Btw if you are in market then Epson 5030ub is still $1600 after Amazon visa CC members only coupon is definitely a wise choice now. Hopefully drops to <$1500 in fall.
This still doesn't work for my account and Amazon won't honor it regardless. They keep giving me another department to call to fix it but nobody seems to know what they are doing.
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Quote from rypajo View Post :
This still doesn't work for my account and Amazon won't honor it regardless. They keep giving me another department to call to fix it but nobody seems to know what they are doing.
Lot of people had similar issues and they kept on trying. Ultimately it worked. Understand that it's PITA to follow up, but for saving $400 it ain't lot of work IMHO. Keep on trying.
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Thanks, time to upgrade to semi 4K. HDR makes this an easy decision for me over the JVC models.
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Sounds similar to JVC's 'e-shift' technology or whatever it is called, not true 4k so may not be worth the upgrade (at least for me). Motorized lens is a nice feature though, glad Epson is finally releasing models with that feature (my lens shift knobs on my Epson 8500UB are super sloppy/wobbly and hard to dial in).

Hopefully in another year or two we'll see true 4k projectors come down to 2-3k...
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This is the same pixel doubling tech they have been flogging for some time:

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4K Enhancement Technology shifts each pixel diagonally by 0.5 pixels to double the resolution to 3840 x 2160 and surpass Full HD image quality. Resolution is 1920 x 1080 in 3D Mode.
Nothing new to see here.
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This is the same pixel doubling tech they have been flogging for some time:



Nothing new to see here.
same technology JVC uses at half the price.
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My opinion is thus, feel free to disagree: Eshift is bullshit 4k, don't waste your money. Buy a 5030 and wait for real 4k.

Source: I own a terrific 5020 and review hardware for HomeTheaterForum =)

Caveat: I have not actually seen these new projectors so consider that when evaluation my 2 cents.
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Quote from MrAlterno View Post :
"4K Enhancement Technology shifts each pixel diagonally by 0.5 pixels to double the resolution to 3840 x 2160 and surpass Full HD image quality. Resolution is 1920 x 1080 in 3D Mode."
Quote from syn0s View Post :
Sounds similar to JVC's 'e-shift' technology or whatever it is called, not true 4k so may not be worth the upgrade (at least for me). Motorized lens is a nice feature though, glad Epson is finally releasing models with that feature (my lens shift knobs on my Epson 8500UB are super sloppy/wobbly and hard to dial in).

Hopefully in another year or two we'll see true 4k projectors come down to 2-3k...
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This is the same pixel doubling tech they have been flogging for some time:



Nothing new to see here.
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My opinion is thus, feel free to disagree: Eshift is bullshit 4k, don't waste your money. Buy a 5030 and wait for real 4k.

Source: I own a terrific 5020 and review hardware for HomeTheaterForum =)

Caveat: I have not actually seen these new projectors so consider that when evaluation my 2 cents.
I wouldn't be so quick to discount it before the reviews are out. It claims to offer HDR which many say iis more important than 4K.

See Projector Central's comments on faux k and the projector in general:

"A couple of points … first, compared to the current 5030UB and 6030UB which the new models will replace, these are all new projectors from the ground up. They have a new optical engine, new casework design, powered zoom, focus, and lens shift for lens memory capability, a higher precision all-glass lens, and of course 4K enhancement and HDR. So practically speaking, the Home Cinema 5040UB is a major advance on many fronts over the 5030UB. Don't let the minor change in model number fool you into supposing this is just another modest upgrade of an established product.

Second, with 4K enhancement (pixel shift) dropping below $3,000, the debate over whether pixel shift technology is "real 4K" will be reignited. Hence, my two cents on the subject. Having seen the 6040UB set up side by side with a native 4K projector, I will say that the 6040UB's picture simply looks like native 4K when they are both fed a native 4K source. It is difficult to detect any difference at all in detail resolution between the two from a normal viewing distance. In fact if casual observers were shown this side by side demo and asked to guess which was the true native 4K projector, I have no doubt that half of them would guess wrong.

The purist will argue that there must be some difference in resolution, as the 4K images achieved through pixel shift cannot possibly match the exact reproduction from native 4K chips. While this is technically true, if 4K enhancement has improved to where you can't see any difference from a normal viewing distance, what is more important -- how the projector does it or how much it costs?"
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Quote from viche View Post :
I wouldn't be so quick to discount it before the reviews are out. It claims to offer HDR which many say iis more important than 4K.

See Projector Central's comments on faux k and the projector in general:

"A couple of points … first, compared to the current 5030UB and 6030UB which the new models will replace, these are all new projectors from the ground up. They have a new optical engine, new casework design, powered zoom, focus, and lens shift for lens memory capability, a higher precision all-glass lens, and of course 4K enhancement and HDR. So practically speaking, the Home Cinema 5040UB is a major advance on many fronts over the 5030UB. Don't let the minor change in model number fool you into supposing this is just another modest upgrade of an established product.

Second, with 4K enhancement (pixel shift) dropping below $3,000, the debate over whether pixel shift technology is "real 4K" will be reignited. Hence, my two cents on the subject. Having seen the 6040UB set up side by side with a native 4K projector, I will say that the 6040UB's picture simply looks like native 4K when they are both fed a native 4K source. It is difficult to detect any difference at all in detail resolution between the two from a normal viewing distance. In fact if casual observers were shown this side by side demo and asked to guess which was the true native 4K projector, I have no doubt that half of them would guess wrong.

The purist will argue that there must be some difference in resolution, as the 4K images achieved through pixel shift cannot possibly match the exact reproduction from native 4K chips. While this is technically true, if 4K enhancement has improved to where you can't see any difference from a normal viewing distance, what is more important -- how the projector does it or how much it costs?"
Thanks for highlighting what's new here, that's a great summary. Also good to hear a first-hand opinion on picture quality, thanks for that as well.

What I meant is that this is not a 4K projector as that should only ever describe the native resolution of the rendering engine of the projector. Call me a purist, but this industry does itself a grave disservice my misrepresenting the capabilities of it's products in this shameful way. Cannot count the number of "full HD projectors" for whom HD is not a native resolution, so Epson is not to be singled out in this regard.
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Agreed, the title is misleading. Call it Eshift. Call it Faux4K. but don't call it real 4K.

Regarding DV and HDR10 HDR: I'm a believer. I have DV on my office 50" P series video. It's amazing.

But.

Having HDR on a fake 4K PJ doesn't justify a $1600 difference between the awesome 5030 and the new models, for me at least.

The bottom line: As soon as REAL 4K PJs hit the market in the $3K range you are going to rue spending so much to only get half the experience. I was in the position myself in ~2013 buying a 1080p PJ. The real 4K PJs are taking their sweet time getting here and so I've gotten a lot more mileage out of mine than I had expected. If you buy fake 4K in 2016 the clock is already ticking close on that and you'll have that little lizard brain whispering in your ear that you should have waited.

Again, just my perspective. I know the fun thing to do is spend today, enjoy today. I think that's a mistake, YMMV.
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