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Promoted 07-02-2016 by SubZero5 at 11:50 AM View Original Post
 Newegg.com also has MSI GeForce GTX 980 OC 4GB GDDR5 Video Card (4GD5 OCV1) for $309.99 - $30 Rebate = $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks TDMVP73 


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Man, it's a great time to be a gamer. A $200 card can play most games at max or near max at 1080.
Not an amd fan boy but the 480 beats a 980. It is just a fact when you cut transistor size down from 28nm to 14nm with a new architecture. why would someone want to buy dated technology when you could have the latest for the same price?

A 980 can only do 5 tflops vs 480 of 5.8tflops which represent raw speed. As more games support direct12x it will become even more apparent.

There is no reason to buy old amd or nvidia cards anymore unless they are severely discounted even then it still might not be worth it. It has been 4 years since either club shrunk die size.
Tons of misinformation in this post so I thought I'd clear things up as someone that has both cards and isn't a fanboy.


All comparisons use the 240 dollar 8gb 480, the 4gb 480 is a better value, but is in very short supply.

The first thing to consider is overclocking. If you're looking for value, you'll want to overclock (takes a few minutes, an easy starting point is just using settings of a reviewer, and decreasing by 25 mhz if needed).

The 970 overclocks better than a 480. You can see that both a reference card (same PCB/blower cooler) overclocks the same as the MSI AIB, it just runs a lot hotter. The 970 overclocks ~20% over reference. The 480 overclocks 5% over reference. Both of these values are with reference coolers. It's possible that with aftermarket coolers the 480 will be able to reach higher clocks, but expect to pay ~30 dollars more for the better cooler.

Once overclocked the 970 pulls ahead of an overclocked 480 reference by about 5%.

The 480 is noticeably slower than the 980 ~8-10%, and this difference widens if you overclock both of them. ~18-20%.

These figures are for DX11 games, DX12 games favor the 480 significantly over the 970, but overclocked a reference 980 will still likely beat a 480. Over time (in DX 12 games) a 480 will likely beat the 980. In DX11 games it's unclear.

Things to ask yourself to determine whether it is a good deal FOR YOU:
Do you play the latest games exclusively? A 480 may have more value then, as its performance in DX12 is about 10% higher than without it. Right now there are only about 10 games supporting DX12, but new games are adopting it (like the new battlefield).

Is silent gaming a priority? If so, don't buy a reference 480, or a 970 or a 980. You'll need to get a card with an aftermarket cooler.

What is your timeframe? If you can wait another week or two, the 1060 details should be out, or maybe even launched depending on what rumors you believe, and that may be a good option for you, or the 480 prices might even drop a smidge. Non-reference 480s will also come out, I would expect them to be within 5-10% of the 980 with DX11, and 10-15% faster with DX12. They will likely be about 280-290 dollars, and have a higher TDP than even the 1080 though. I also expect them not to overclock very well, since they're already pushing the thermal limits of things.


Things that don't matter
H265 support for now has no real importance. You can play h265 files on the internet with a laptop from 2011 (I do this every day), and there are no currently announced UHD blu ray PC drives. There is also no way to watch 4k netflix on any HDCP 2.2 compliant display so this is another moot point. This is an advantage, but with no legal content to play it's pointless (and the illegal content plays regardless). Note: there is not even UHD drives on the horizon for PC, nor has netflix announced they will ever bring 4k to the PC.

Other concerns:
There is a lot of talk about the PCI-E power drawn from the 480. In my mind this is a mild issue at stock, but a significant issue if you overclock/overvolt. It's possible AMD can fix this by routing more power through the 6-pin connector (out of spec, but generally considered not a big deal).

Finally, if Nvidia is 80% more efficient with their 1070/1080 than AMD's 480, expect AMD's higher end cards to be ~250-300W to compete.

The 480 is a bit hot, but not catastrophic. If AMD is going to try to reach 1080 performance they will be releasing a very hot card, even with a new architecture it would genuinely be an engineering miracle if they matched nvidia's efficiency. Expect a card competing with a 1080 to be minimum 250W TDP, if not higher. Again, for the 480 it's not that big of a deal, because 160W is pretty low in absolute terms, even if it's high for the performance it offers.



Er, you know the title of this thread is a 970 for 200 right? Meaning it costs the same? I don't think anyone is suggesting people buy a 980 for 300+...it's available for 280 right now and I doubt it will be going up over the next few months.


Sources:

1: https://www.techpowerup.com/revie...80/27.html vs https://www.techpowerup.com/revie...ng/30.html vs http://www.kitguru.net/components...review/21/

2: https://www.techpowerup.com/revie...80/24.html (at stock 480 is ~10% faster, after OC it is ~5% slower)

3: https://www.techpowerup.com/revie...80/24.html vs https://www.techpowerup.com/revie...80/29.html (overclocked values)

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Gtx 970 or Amd 480 for $200?? Or wait for the 1060?
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Gtx 970 or Amd 480 for $200?? Or wait for the 1060?
I think you should either buy the 970 or wait for 490 not stock edition with better coolers. Long termt he 480 will be a better card. Honestly you can probably find a 980 for this price open box etc
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Man, it's a great time to be a gamer. A $200 card can play most games at max or near max at 1080.
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Man, it's a great time to be a gamer. A $200 card can play most games at max or near max at 1080.
so will 2018 be, halo 6 for PC!!!!

I'm probably going for the gtx 1060 when it gets released and HTC vive
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I have an AMD R9 290X, is this alot better?
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man oh man... 1060 or this 970.... uhhhh
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I have an AMD R9 290X, is this alot better?
I own both, depending on the game they trade blows
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Get ready for the AMD fanboys with the RX480 posts despite the prices. I'll just tell them..

$200 4GB RX480 - Get the Asus GTX970 instead.
$250 8GB RX480 - Get the MSI GTX980 instead.
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These won't have the as good temperatures or performance as most other ones. These are the bottom of the barrel for their lines. Keep that in mind.
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Get ready for the AMD fanboys with the RX480 posts despite the prices. I'll just tell them..

$200 4GB RX480 - Get the Asus GTX970 instead.
$250 8GB RX480 - Get the MSI GTX980 instead.
Not an amd fan boy but the 480 beats a 980. It is just a fact when you cut transistor size down from 28nm to 14nm with a new architecture. why would someone want to buy dated technology when you could have the latest for the same price?

A 980 can only do 5 tflops vs 480 of 5.8tflops which represent raw speed. As more games support direct12x it will become even more apparent.

There is no reason to buy old amd or nvidia cards anymore unless they are severely discounted even then it still might not be worth it. It has been 4 years since either club shrunk die size.
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Last edited by Joeggernaut July 2, 2016 at 04:01 AM
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Does the 970 / 980 have h265 decoding?

Because that's going to be pretty important by the end of this year, You essentially won't be able to play any of the new content coming out..

Remember it doesn't have to be 4k to be H265..

H265 at 1080p is still better than H264 at 1080p.. And in many cases CPU decoding won't be strong enough if scaling is required.
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Does the 970 / 980 have h265 decoding?

Because that's going to be pretty important by the end of this year, You essentially won't be able to play any of the new content coming out..

Remember it doesn't have to be 4k to be H265..

H265 at 1080p is still better than H264 at 1080p.. And in many cases CPU decoding won't be strong enough if scaling is required.
No only new the new gen of amd and nvidia support 265 it fully. Well 960 does at least. 970/980 support h265 encoding but not decoding.
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Last edited by Joeggernaut July 2, 2016 at 04:08 AM
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No only new the new gen of amd and nvidia support 265
That would make ANY of the 9xx series with the exception of 960 an absolute dead zone..
Unless you want to be stuck with no H265 decoding for the 2 years that you'll be stuck with the 970/980..

This is absolutely a DO NOT BUY, if that's the case..
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