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HTPC HP m7334n GeForce 210 - doesn't stream well?

ms2000 1,309 28 July 3, 2016 at 10:49 PM
New Condition, rarely used, HTPC HP m7334n with GeForce 210. Win XP MCE

It doesn't stream that well? I do not have the issue with ASUS X401A on WiFi internet - so it is not the internet speed.
A few yrs ago I upgraded the video card with GeForce 210 with HDMI.

What can I do to improve this?

Incidentally I also have Win 7 Ultimate license. I can not find any drivers for this pc on HP web site.

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It looks like it has a AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+ which is a processor from 2005 and a benchmark rating of 1000 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.p...re+3800%2B So you have a 10 year old system with an 11 year old processor. Your problem is age, modern media and streaming requires more power. New condition just doesn't matter with 11 year old PC parts.

Then we have the Windows XP issue, of it not receiving updates, insecure, and can barley even get a secure browser on it. It really should not be on the internet, so streaming is out. I don't think this machine is worth trying to upgrade drivers or not. It makes sense HP doesn't have official drivers on something like this but in this case, its a good thing.

What can be done is to start over. It's just not practical to keep spending money on this machine. Your looking at an entirely new computer or a streaming box (Roku) depending on what your trying to do exactly. Let us know and we can help you from here. Chances are there are better ways to do what your trying to do.
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@LiquidRetro

This has all my photos, videos etc. If I were to start all over, I need to copy them.

I have Roku too - the one before the current model - my streaming is from web sites - can this be done with Roku - how?

Are there alternative OS for this pc to get it going?

If I use an alternative pc, how can I add remote control?
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@LiquidRetro

This has all my photos, videos etc. If I were to start all over, I need to copy them.

I have Roku too - the one before the current model - my streaming is from web sites - can this be done with Roku - how?

Are there alternative OS for this pc to get it going?

If I use an alternative pc, how can I add remote control?
What do you mean by, "it doesn't stream that well?" What sites, browser, and version are you using. What are the symptoms (e.g. low resolution, frequent buffering, dropped frames, etc.)? How does this compare to non-streaming videos played through something like VLC?

The GeForce 210 generally should be able to handle the decoding for you, as long as the site is serving up standard H.264 and the browser is configured to use hardware decoding, but it's entirely possible that's not working properly. I should add that as LiquidRetro says, this is an old PC, and it's going to be a constant fight to keep things within the parameters it can handle, since no one is really bothering to optimize software for something this old anymore.

FWIW, I doubt there's anything so specialized in this PC where Windows 7 wouldn't already have a driver available. I tend to avoid installing manufacturer drivers unless I absolutely need to, since manufacturer drivers tend to come with manufacturer crapware.
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What do you mean by, "it doesn't stream that well?" What sites, browser, and version are you using. What are the symptoms (e.g. low resolution, frequent buffering, dropped frames, etc.)? How does this compare to non-streaming videos played through something like VLC?

The GeForce 210 generally should be able to handle the decoding for you, as long as the site is serving up standard H.264 and the browser is configured to use hardware decoding, but it's entirely possible that's not working properly. I should add that as LiquidRetro says, this is an old PC, and it's going to be a constant fight to keep things within the parameters it can handle, since no one is really bothering to optimize software for something this old anymore.

FWIW, I doubt there's anything so specialized in this PC where Windows 7 wouldn't already have a driver available. I tend to avoid installing manufacturer drivers unless I absolutely need to, since manufacturer drivers tend to come with manufacturer crapware.
I was using Chrome
Prob 720p resolution
No dropped frames but interruptions
Quality is good but details below:
Every few minutes of streaming, it pauses, plays then pauses and so on - this happens even if you let it pre-download so to say as described: start the player on the browser and then pause it so it continues to download

I used random web sites that has some movies that are just over 2 hrs long. These movies are not on Youtube and it is free

VLC should be fine - I play my cam movies on it and never had issues.

So you are suggesting installing win 7 is a way to go? Would the HP remote still work?
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maybe is the HDD and RAM. because RAM can't cache the whole video AND XP sucks at RAM and pagefile management. you can look at the HDD LED when it happens to verify my theory, it should change from blink to solid.

did you try other browser? may help.

win7 may help, it's better at RAM management, even it uses more RAM, but smoother. if works, win10 maybe better. remote very likely will work.

add SSD may help.

or download the video. i like "youtube-dl", but only work for few sites.

or try a Live Linux CD USB boot for a fun test.
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maybe is the HDD and RAM. because RAM can't cache the whole video AND XP sucks at RAM and pagefile management. you can look at the HDD LED when it happens to verify my theory, it should change from blink to solid.

did you try other browser? may help.

win7 may help, it's better at RAM management, even it uses more RAM, but more smooth. if works, win10 maybe better. remote very likely will work.

add SSD may help.

or download the video. i like "youtube-dl", but only work for few sites.

or try a Live Linux CD USB boot for a fun test.
We tried FF before - then switched Chrome hoping it will be better but not. Do u have another suggestion for browswer?

If it is page-file issue, I could put a SD card and move the page-file to it, right?

Also, I do not think the movie is coming from Youtube server but another.

Thanks for your insight.
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try sandboxie, with any browser. then set it's path to the SD card. change or don't change pagefile to there. i never tried it in the same condition. maybe fun to try.
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@LiquidRetro

This has all my photos, videos etc. If I were to start all over, I need to copy them.

I have Roku too - the one before the current model - my streaming is from web sites - can this be done with Roku - how?

Are there alternative OS for this pc to get it going?

If I use an alternative pc, how can I add remote control?
I hope you have a backup of your files elsewhere. . . . . . If not this should be your number 1 priority.

As far as a new PC, copying files isn't a big deal.

With a roku you could install Plex on another computer in the house, and then use the roku as the device hooked up to the TV to stream to. This generally works really well if you have a lot of local media (Video, Music, Photos) Plex does the transcoding as needed.

Like I said I would not put any money into this system, It's that old and low power. You didn't mention how much ram it has but it could be a prolbem. Depending on what your needing for a remote there are lots of options.

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What do you mean by, "it doesn't stream that well?" What sites, browser, and version are you using. What are the symptoms (e.g. low resolution, frequent buffering, dropped frames, etc.)? How does this compare to non-streaming videos played through something like VLC?

The GeForce 210 generally should be able to handle the decoding for you, as long as the site is serving up standard H.264 and the browser is configured to use hardware decoding, but it's entirely possible that's not working properly. I should add that as LiquidRetro says, this is an old PC, and it's going to be a constant fight to keep things within the parameters it can handle, since no one is really bothering to optimize software for something this old anymore.

FWIW, I doubt there's anything so specialized in this PC where Windows 7 wouldn't already have a driver available. I tend to avoid installing manufacturer drivers unless I absolutely need to, since manufacturer drivers tend to come with manufacturer crapware.

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I was using Chrome
Prob 720p resolution
No dropped frames but interruptions
Quality is good but details below:
Every few minutes of streaming, it pauses, plays then pauses and so on - this happens even if you let it pre-download so to say as described: start the player on the browser and then pause it so it continues to download

I used random web sites that has some movies that are just over 2 hrs long. These movies are not on Youtube and it is free

VLC should be fine - I play my cam movies on it and never had issues.

So you are suggesting installing win 7 is a way to go? Would the HP remote still work?
Hard to say, but im going with just the speed of the system especially if it's a flash based player. Chrome isn't supported on XP anymore so there again not safe. If you had a chromecast and another PC in theory you could cast it to the TV.

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maybe is the HDD and RAM. because RAM can't cache the whole video AND XP sucks at RAM and pagefile management. you can look at the HDD LED when it happens to verify my theory, it should change from blink to solid.

did you try other browser? may help.

win7 may help, it's better at RAM management, even it uses more RAM, but smoother. if works, win10 maybe better. remote very likely will work.

add SSD may help.

or download the video. i like "youtube-dl", but only work for few sites.

or try a Live Linux CD USB boot for a fun test.
Again remember it's a 10 year old computer thats really lower powered even for the time. Even spending $75 on Ram and an ssd I think won't be worth it. OP should put that money to a new system.
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You didn't mention how much ram it has but it could be a prolbem. .
One question - how much RAM do u think it should have?
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One question - how much RAM do u think it should have?
I am guessing a 10 year old system like this probably has probably 1gb. Reason I ask is Chrome is pretty Ram intensive so it would be easy to go into swap space but this wouldn't happen suddenly. You could double it to 2 with maybe some used ram online but again. I would not spend money on this system it's simply too old and your going to run into more and more issues. Make sure you reply to the previous comments too, especially the backup.
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I am guessing a 10 year old system like this probably has probably 1gb. Reason I ask is Chrome is pretty Ram intensive so it would be easy to go into swap space but this wouldn't happen suddenly. You could double it to 2 with maybe some used ram online but again. I would not spend money on this system it's simply too old and your going to run into more and more issues. Make sure you reply to the previous comments too, especially the backup.
Ran a utility and it states 4 memory sticks with max at 2GB
512 MB 333MHz
512 MB 333MHz
256 MB 333MHz
256 MB 333MHz

Is this PC2700?

It does not read 4GB SD but reads 2GB - all of it allocated for PF - also slightly increased the pagefile and moved it to a partition with a lot of space (from C).

In another pc, i have put memory speed above the spec - it worked fine and better. Not sure if these machines are capable?

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http://lifehacker.com/5426041/und...disable-it
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.c...al-memory/
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Ran a utility and it states 4 memory sticks with max at 2GB
512 MB 333MHz
512 MB 333MHz
256 MB 333MHz
256 MB 333MHz

Is this PC2700?

It does not read 4GB SD but reads 2GB - all of it allocated for PF - also slightly increased the pagefile and moved it to a partition with a lot of space (from C).
In another pc, i have put memory speed above the spec - it worked fine and better. Not sure if these machines are capable?


Note:
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.c...al-memory/
What utility?

Your max is going to be less than 4gb because your on 32bit windows xp. I doubt your motherboard can support 4gb but maybe it can. Either way 1.5gb on win xp should be enough to stream.

None of this changes my recommendation to upgrade your entire PC. This one is too old, too slow to put time and money into at this point and expect it to fix problem and not have them in the future. Come up with a budget and we can help from here.
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Thanks @LiquidRetro

It turned out Win XP will never create the pagefile.sys in SD card even though it is assigned - and XP will need the PF in any of the partition.

I might have a spare memory - is it PC2700 or PC3200 memory stick?
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Thanks @LiquidRetro

It turned out Win XP will never create the pagefile.sys in SD card even though it is assigned - and XP will need the PF in any of the partition.

I might have a spare memory - is it PC2700 or PC3200 memory stick?
Doesn't your utility tell you?

Google is hard to use tonight for me too Smilie http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c00586071

Either way the speed of the ram is unlikely to matter. It will downclock to whatever the lowest installed is. Even on a new system you would struggle to tell a real world difference.

Enjoy the old machine

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