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How much better would dropping a new ethernet line be over converting a Cat5e line to ethernet with 150/150 speeds?

Joe Davola 8,208 11,123 July 5, 2016 at 11:06 AM
My builder apparently installed Cat5e telephone lines in most of my rooms, but I was thinking of converting them all to ethernet lines (around $25 each plus parts I provide). I'm also considering just having someone drop ethernet lines to where I need them (around $80 per line unless the cable run is more than 30 feet). I guess a third option is to get some wireless access points. FYI I have 4 stories of living space, everything runs into a closet on the second floor and I'll of course like to have ethernet or great wi-fi on every floor.

I have FiOS with 150/150 speeds and was wondering which of my options would be the best in the long run?

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My builder apparently installed Cat5e telephone lines in most of my rooms, but I was thinking of converting them all to ethernet lines (around $25 each plus parts I provide). I'm also considering just having someone drop ethernet lines to where I need them (around $80 per line unless the cable run is more than 30 feet). I guess a third option is to get some wireless access points. FYI I have 4 stories of living space, everything runs into a closet on the second floor and I'll of course like to have ethernet or great wi-fi on every floor.

I have FiOS with 150/150 speeds and was wondering which of my options would be the best in the long run?

Thank you!!
Had the same situation in my house and I converted them all to Ethernet. Cat5 is Cat5 - there is no difference between telephone and internet except for how they are wired. I would do the work myself but $25/ea doesn't sound too bad. Some will say Cat 6 is better but I have had no issues with my Cat 5e and think they add much more value than telephone jacks.
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Had the same situation in my house and I converted them all to Ethernet. Cat5 is Cat5 - there is no difference between telephone and internet except for how they are wired. I would do the work myself but $25/ea doesn't sound too bad. Some will say Cat 6 is better but I have had no issues with my Cat 5e and think they add much more value than telephone jacks.
I would agree with this.


Wired is always going to be better than wireless. More speed, less interference and flexibility. I just put 2800ft of Cat6 in my finished house because of this. If your house is in an unfinished state yet I can't recommend enough to go run dedicated runs ASAP. I ran a minimum of 2 per room with most rooms having 4 jacks on 2 different walls. Maximum flexibility. I also dropped lines in for where an access point would go and security cameras in the future. When your building is the perfect time to set up for the future with much less time and effort then it will be later.

That said if you had to do the minimum I would definitely wire the "phone" lines for Data instead and make a new run for an AP on your main floor.

If you have any questions or want to see pictures of my setup let me know.
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Is it possible to use one of the unused pairs in the eight-conductor Cat-5e for telephone service while still using six for Ethernet, or would this defeat the purpose of it shielding the other data lines?
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Is it possible to use one of the unused pairs in the eight-conductor Cat-5e for telephone service while still using six for Ethernet, or would this defeat the purpose of it shielding the other data lines?
Yes it's possible but you only get 100mb max, not gig, so already the OP is limited since their internet package is faster. Dropping new lines is better.
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I would agree with this.


Wired is always going to be better than wireless. More speed, less interference and flexibility. I just put 2800ft of Cat6 in my finished house because of this. If your house is in an unfinished state yet I can't recommend enough to go run dedicated runs ASAP. I ran a minimum of 2 per room with most rooms having 4 jacks on 2 different walls. Maximum flexibility. I also dropped lines in for where an access point would go and security cameras in the future. When your building is the perfect time to set up for the future with much less time and effort then it will be later.

That said if you had to do the minimum I would definitely wire the "phone" lines for Data instead and make a new run for an AP on your main floor.

If you have any questions or want to see pictures of my setup let me know.
That sounds awesome. Would have to buy a few switches to manage all the runs but that would be the best set up.

All home builds should have conduits to run ethernet / co-ax in every room!!
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What about Cat7?
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I hear cat14 is double as good as 7. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
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Is it possible to use one of the unused pairs in the eight-conductor Cat-5e for telephone service while still using six for Ethernet, or would this defeat the purpose of it shielding the other data lines?
Not if you want to use gigabit speeds. Fast Ethernet (100 Mbps) uses just 4 wires. Gigabit uses all 8 wires.

Is your house under construction? If so, wire it NOW. If not, fishing wire through a 4-level house is going to require some creativity. Wink
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Had the same situation in my house and I converted them all to Ethernet. Cat5 is Cat5 - there is no difference between telephone and internet except for how they are wired. I would do the work myself but $25/ea doesn't sound too bad. Some will say Cat 6 is better but I have had no issues with my Cat 5e and think they add much more value than telephone jacks.

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I would agree with this.


Wired is always going to be better than wireless. More speed, less interference and flexibility. I just put 2800ft of Cat6 in my finished house because of this. If your house is in an unfinished state yet I can't recommend enough to go run dedicated runs ASAP. I ran a minimum of 2 per room with most rooms having 4 jacks on 2 different walls. Maximum flexibility. I also dropped lines in for where an access point would go and security cameras in the future. When your building is the perfect time to set up for the future with much less time and effort then it will be later.

That said if you had to do the minimum I would definitely wire the "phone" lines for Data instead and make a new run for an AP on your main floor.

If you have any questions or want to see pictures of my setup let me know.
Thank you! That's awesome about your runs. I believe the drywall is going in this week, but unfortunately the builder won't let anyone in and I'd have no idea what I would be doing anyway. laugh out loud FYI I tried to get the builder to add them all, but they said everything had to be ordered before the foundation was poured.

Aren't there limitations or isn't the connection slower with converted runs as opposed to new runs? Meaning, will I get a slower speed with a converted phone line than I would a new run? Again, I will have 150/150 and I have no problem paying for a new run, but there's no need to pay for a new run if I can get someone to convert my lines for less than half the price if I get the same result.
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Aren't there limitations or isn't the connection slower with converted runs as opposed to new runs? Meaning, will I get a slower speed with a converted phone line than I would a new run? Again, I will have 150/150 and I have no problem paying for a new run, but there's no need to pay for a new run if I can get someone to convert my lines for less than half the price if I get the same result.
Cat5e is cat5e, whether it's used for telephone or ethernet. The only difference may be in how it's terminated (when used for telephone, you can get 2 lines per cable, whereas with ethernet it's 1 line per cable), though it may not be terminated for 2 phone lines (an RJ-11 telephone plug will fit into an RJ-45 ethernet jack). The $25 per jack is likely to just reterminate the ends to ensure it's wired for ethernet. The cable itself doesn't need to change though.

Going with the conversion, though, you lose the ability to have a traditional home phone (while the cables can be used for either phone or ethernet, in general you can't use it for both at the same time). This probably isn't a big deal, but be aware that it is a consequence.
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Cat5e is cat5e, whether it's used for telephone or ethernet. The only difference may be in how it's terminated (when used for telephone, you can get 2 lines per cable, whereas with ethernet it's 1 line per cable), though it may not be terminated for 2 phone lines (an RJ-11 telephone plug will fit into an RJ-45 ethernet jack). The $25 per jack is likely to just reterminate the ends to ensure it's wired for ethernet. The cable itself doesn't need to change though.

Going with the conversion, though, you lose the ability to have a traditional home phone (while the cables can be used for either phone or ethernet, in general you can't use it for both at the same time). This probably isn't a big deal, but be aware that it is a consequence.
Thank you!! Are you saying I won't be limited to 100mbps even though I have 150mbps service if I convert the lines?

Thanks for the heads up about the phone line. I'm not concerned I've been using Obihai for a few years and my alarm company does not require a landline.
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Thank you!! Are you saying I won't be limited to 100mbps even though I have 150mbps service if I convert the lines?

Thanks for the heads up about the phone line. I'm not concerned I've been using Obihai for a few years and my alarm company does not require a landline.
Assuming the cables are terminated properly, you won't be limited to 100 Mbps. You should see 150 Mbps outside your network, and up to 1000 Mbps within your local network.
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yea. go wired if you have option.

keep wifi to phones and other wifi only devices. it's expensive and unreliable.
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Assuming the cables are terminated properly, you won't be limited to 100 Mbps. You should see 150 Mbps outside your network, and up to 1000 Mbps within your local network.
Great. I guess I misinterpreted what I read on the interweb and why I posted this here.

Thanks again and reps to all!
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