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I recently purchased two ELAC F5's based on great reviews on CNET and elsewhere

https://www.amazon.com/ELAC-Debut...ds=elac+f5

as well as a Yamaha 7.2 receiver

https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-...a+receiver


After hooking them up, I noticed they don't get nearly as loud or have as much bass as I expected, and I can't figure out if this is just due to the speakers, the amp, or the size of the room.

I have to set the receiver to about -15db for normal TV listening levels. At 0db it's loud, but not omg loud and bass is barely present. I know I should probably add a subwoofer if I really want bass, but most reviews I read stated that a subwoofer is really not needed due to how much bass these put out.

The room is rather large, about 36' x 20'. However, my friend has a slightly smaller room, and he has some ~$100 polk bookshelf speakers with a polk center channel, also has a Yamaha receiver, and his speakers get MUCH louder than mine. His normal TV listening level is around -35db. For his cheaper, smaller bookshelf speakers to match my $600 towers at -35db for him and -15db for me tells me something has to be wrong. Any ideas on what it is, or do ELAC's just really not get loud at all?
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The speaker specs are 6 ohm. It looks like the receiver is set at 8 ohms from factory. On page 20 of manual. U can change it to 6 ohm. That may help. I see there's an eco mode to reduce power on the receiver. Try turning that off.
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The speaker specs are 6 ohm. It looks like the receiver is set at 8 ohms from factory. On page 20 of manual. U can change it to 6 ohm. That may help. I see there's an eco mode to reduce power on the receiver. Try turning that off.
Thanks for the response! I really appreciate it. I changed the receiver to 6ohm, eco mode was already set to off. Nothing really seemed to change. Any other ideas? Could there really be that much of a difference that I'm just using the post bindings instead of banana plugs?
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Thanks for the response! I really appreciate it. I changed the receiver to 6ohm, eco mode was already set to off. Nothing really seemed to change. Any other ideas? Could there really be that much of a difference that I'm just using the post bindings instead of banana plugs?

No, as long as your connection is decent it shouldn't matter in terms of volume. Do the speakers or your amp have the ability to adjust the crossover point? That could help with bass response.
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Not knowing what is normal for these speakers, it is hard to determine whether it is the setup or a defective set of speakers\defective receiver. As noted, bass could be a function of what you are playing or the crossover settings. Also, make sure you run the sound\room sync\setup\YPAO - Reflected Sound Control. Maybe your config is way off or the system thinks you have a sub-woofer connected when you do not.
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Last edited by YanksIn2009 August 10, 2016 at 12:52 PM
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You will want to leave it at 8 ohms. Also, make sure you do the YPAO setup as Yanks mentioned.
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You will want to leave it at 8 ohms. Also, make sure you do the YPAO setup as Yanks mentioned.
Why leave it at 8 ohms if speakers are 6 ohms?
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Why leave it at 8 ohms if speakers are 6 ohms?
http://www.audiogurus.com/learn/s...ating/1092

https://www.avforums.com/threads/...er.264536/

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-...stion.html

These people can all explain far better than I. There is much debate on this topic, and I will fully admit that I don't understand what is best, but feel the majority believes you should stick with 8 ohms on the receiver (unless you are overheating the thing)
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First, the position of the speaker matters a lot. The sound emanates in a 360 degree sphere. If you put the speaker against a wall, you double the amount of sound that comes towards you. If you put it in a corner, you can increase sound output by about 150%. But perfect placement makes a difference and it's difficult to do. According to some, the distance to floor from the center of the largest cone is X, distance to rear wall is 2X and distance to third wall is 3X. But those are generalities.

All that aside, you should DEFINITELY consider returning these speakers for something else if they don't work for you, and don't be shy about it one bit. Audio speakers are sold with tons of hype. Look how they describe the construction as "high-grade MD5 and luxurious vinyl". Dude, that means, "Sawdust-impregnated wax covered in plastic."

I read the reviews and maybe some are written by friends, etc. So maybe they're awesome and maybe they aren't, but I seriously think you should buy speakers which delight you, and if you aren't happy with what you're hearing, trust your instincts and not reviewers.

I'm not at all trying to say one way or another if these speakers are good. I truly don't know. All I'm saying is trust your own ears more than anybody else's, and don't be 1% afraid to return these speakers if you don't like the way they sound.
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Could you have your wires reversed?
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The speaker specs are 6 ohm. It looks like the receiver is set at 8 ohms from factory. On page 20 of manual. U can change it to 6 ohm. That may help. I see there's an eco mode to reduce power on the receiver. Try turning that off.
DO NOT CHANGE THE OHM SETTING FROM 8. That just makes the amp weaker. Trust me.
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Omg! I just wrote a LONG post to help u and it never showed up. Whoever is running this site should b fired.
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Omg! I just wrote a LONG post to help u and it never showed up. Whoever is running this site should b fired.
Really? this happened to you on the three treads you posted this in? Come on...stop it.
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Really? this happened to you on the three treads you posted this in? Come on...stop it.
Do u see the long post I wrote about how to check the speakers polarity with a battery and about factory resetting the receiver? I don't. Half my posts are failing to show up in the threads today. What I've learned to do now is copying what I write before I press send because half the time it fails to post. I've added this last sentence on my third time trying to post thjs message just now!

And the edit feature is missing too, so if I want to add something I have to create new post
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