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I need Internet options for a restricted Private Community

Jessnchar 359 160 September 2, 2016 at 09:41 AM
I just moved to a private community townhouse and I only have Frontier copper cable internet, which I was told would be as slow as dial-up shake head
Can anyone steer me towards options? Like satellite internet? Or how can I tether to my cell phone?
I would like to be able to run Netflix on two tv's, integrate my thermostat to a Nest system and install an IP alarm system.
I'm more concerned with needing to browse and watch Netflix.

How can I get internet?

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Quote from Jessnchar View Post :
I just moved to a private community townhouse and I only have Frontier copper cable internet, which I was told would be as slow as dial-up shake head
Can anyone steer me towards options? Like satellite internet? Or how can I tether to my cell phone?
I would like to be able to run Netflix on two tv's, integrate my thermostat to a Nest system and install an IP alarm system.
I'm more concerned with needing to browse and watch Netflix.

How can I get internet?
Location, location, location.
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Location, location, location.
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We have lived in a rural abyss served only by (3 Mbit) Frontier DSL for about a decade now. We tried the satellite route and speeds were only marginally better for a significantly higher cost. The bigger issue, however, was that service was impacted by inclement weather more often than we expected. A heavy rain would leave us with intermittent connection failures. We were excited when we saw the cable company servicing a line 1/4 mile from our home as we thought we could finally get decent internet service. And then we found out that the cable company stopped running cable right at that corner - less than 1/4 mile from our home. Now if you can get unlimited data with AT&T (they offer it with Direct TV now) or another cellular carrier, then that may be your best option. I can get 5-6 Mbit speeds by using my phone as a hotspot even here in East Bumblef***. However, afaik all of the cellular carriers will cap your speeds after X amount of data (AT&T is 20-some GBs).
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Look into becoming an ISP local provider. If enough people around you will buy, you can get a connection to your house and they will all get it from you (usually wireless). Some carriers will pay you to do this. Research!
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I just moved to a private community townhouse and I only have Frontier copper cable internet, which I was told would be as slow as dial-up shake head
I always check internet availability before I move...


I can't imagine cable internet of any kind being literally as slow as dialup. Dial up topped out at 56kbps. Even a 1mbps connection (which is abysmally slow by today's standards) is still almost 18 times faster than dial up.


Most people are served by "copper" cable which can yield speeds as high as 300mbps. Clearly cable lines in your neighborhood and/or frontier's equipment are lackluster. I'm not saying frontier cable is good. But get a neighbor to run a speed test so you have some better info.
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I just moved to a private community townhouse and I only have Frontier copper cable internet, which I was told would be as slow as dial-up shake head
Can anyone steer me towards options? Like satellite internet? Or how can I tether to my cell phone?
I would like to be able to run Netflix on two tv's, integrate my thermostat to a Nest system and install an IP alarm system.
I'm more concerned with needing to browse and watch Netflix.

How can I get internet?
Satellite Internet, two companies, Hughesnet (Gen 4) and Viasat (Exede). Exede is generally the better product, and company to deal with, etc. Some bundle with Dish/Directv, but you get worse support in order to save a few $s, and plans may differ. If bundled with Dish they will call the product Dishnet, but it will be either Gen 4 or Exede. Satellite performance varies greatly, every area is isolated from the next (with the exception of sharing ground stations). Also, about half the land area of the US got an upgraded satellite a few years ago with both companies, they aimed the new satellites at the populated areas, while less populated areas didn't get that. Upgraded areas often have better plans and more speed (as well as other Internet options). Not upgraded areas, many are full, don't allow any new subscribers. Also, in both areas, there are spots that suffer from severe primetime congestion, page loading and downloads slow to a crawl, time out, etc. Due to the distance in orbit, signal/speed of light, there is a delay with everything. VOIP, there's a delay. VPN sometimes doesn't work great, https sites sometimes take a while to log in. Multiplayer fast gaming/coop stuff is not workable in any case (turn based would work, like cards, etc.).

In the not upgraded areas, no plans are practical for Netflix, starting at $60 (including mandatory lease fee) for a 10GB monthly daytime cap (with free download after midnight). All this automatic downloading update crap is becoming increasingly annoying for my neighbors to have to watch. Upgraded areas have better plans, Freedom I think says "unlimited", but is not widely available, and 150GB cap. Liberty plans offer "priority data", when you hit your monthly cap, you still use it, but traffic shaping adjusts your speed depending on network load, you are put behind other people in priority, many report not being able to use it. Also, free zones are often congested, many times they slow to a crawl, even in upgraded areas.

Exede.com, put in your zipcode. New satellite going up next year if it doesn't blow up will greatly increase capacity, but not improve latency. With the area they are covering, I doubt caps will improve that much. The last upgrade they lowered all plans by about 25%. Later they increased the base plan only back to what it was, and then added free zones after midnight. Last time they said everyone would be satisfied, so I hold judgment until new plans are in writing.

Basically, satellite is last resort. DSL, any speed is preferred (most people I know would kill for good 3 meg, around here, people close enough to the village pay $80 total for up to 5 meg, and don't get that). WISP if available would be a good option to look at, depending. Also, sometimes regional cell carriers offer home Internet plans better than the major carriers. I live in a rural agricultural area, most people have satellite, I am barely in range of a regional carrier. I get up to 4 meg with a 200GB cap, had to spend a few hundred on a cell booster, roof antenna to get a signal. They lowered the caps, for the time being I'm grandfathered. Don't know anyone that uses Netflix. It would work for me, but in the summer the leaves come on, kills my upload speed, and I start getting errors/timeouts with regular stuff. Plus I don't get around to watching much "tv" anyway.

Dialup here, I had until '06 (when I switched to satellite). Speed averaged less than 28.8 with constant disconnects due to line quality. Also, capped at 40 hours/month on the affordable plan (enough). No major dialup providers were a local call.
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All this automatic downloading update crap is becoming increasingly annoying for my neighbors to have to watch. Upgraded areas have better plans, Freedom I think says "unlimited", but is not widely available, and 150GB cap...
On automatic updates, you could do a few things:
-on windows change when it updates.
-put chargers for phones and tablets on a timer that turns on at midnight (generally have to be plugged in to do auto updates)
-throttle speeds to these devices or certain websites on a schedule (likely requires a router with 3rd party software like tomato or gargoyle)


You also generally have to sign a 1-2 year contract to experience the "joys" of satellite internet.
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On automatic updates, you could do a few things:
-on windows change when it updates.
-put chargers for phones and tablets on a timer that turns on at midnight (generally have to be plugged in to do auto updates)
-throttle speeds to these devices or certain websites on a schedule (likely requires a router with 3rd party software like tomato or gargoyle)


You also generally have to sign a 1-2 year contract to experience the "joys" of satellite internet.
2 year contract with both. Also, no trial period. Once installed, doesn't matter if you cancel the first day, if it doesn't work at all, if the cap gets blown through in a couple hours, whatever, full early termination fee. If "not working at all for an extended period", some have been able to argue out of it, but it's very difficult.

I'm aware of methods to control downloads etc., Internet has always been capped here, and have most of the neighbors in control (they call me). BUT, most use Windows. 10 snuck in on a couple even though updates were already under control for years (downloaded in the background, ready to install, without "asking", before I knew about it doing that). Plus you can set it to metered connection now, and that helps after 10 is installed, but updates are still larger than ever. More drastic measures will need to be taken, like routers, etc., but it would be much simpler with something like scheduling built in, especially for non tech inclined people (although I do and figure that stuff out, it's not my job, I help out and try to get them set up so they don't have to call me to figure stuff out). Basically, up until recently, I tried to have it as simple as possible, annoying that it has to be more than that, more money spent, more to manage.

Example of more annoyance, most people have sat tv, there are no broadcast stations in range. People leave it unplugged from Internet, but the receiver (Directv as an example) still pops up about every day saying it's not connected (like when doing a search), have to exit that. Also, recording some movies, it will say it's available now on demand, adds it to the list. Since it will never download, a person has to go in, erase it, go back to the movie, and press record again to get it to actually record. There's not an "offline" or "low bandwidth" mode. And if a person plugs it in, it downloads a lot of stuff automatically. Sure, ways to control it, limit it to certain times (but not everyone has download zones, and live under ~5gb per month), but a simple setting would make it much easier, less hassle/annoyance, less stuff to manage.
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