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Lincoln was a bad human being. He cared nothing about slavery, only politics and power. His need for power was simply "keeping the Union together" when the southern states got fed up with paying the tariffs that the northern states put on them. The separate states were at that time in a voluntary union, not just postal codes under a federal regime we have today. The "Emancipation Proclamation" was a cruel joke. It did not apply to land under Union control, where they could have enforced it, and it only applied to other land where could not enforce it. Of course, it had no real effect, just political.

Don't take my word for this. Dig into it yourself and make up your own mind about Lincoln. If you disagree with me, fine. But please don't accept the religious garbage that makes him out to be a modern Jesus.
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Lincoln was a bad human being. He cared nothing about slavery, only politics and power. His need for power was simply "keeping the Union together" when the southern states got fed up with paying the tariffs that the northern states put on them. The separate states were at that time in a voluntary union, not just postal codes under a federal regime we have today. The "Emancipation Proclamation" was a cruel joke. It did not apply to land under Union control, where they could have enforced it, and it only applied to other land where could not enforce it. Of course, it had no real effect, just political.

Don't take my word for this. Dig into it yourself and make up your own mind about Lincoln. If you disagree with me, fine. But please don't accept the religious garbage that makes him out to be a modern Jesus.
I did a search on what's the general consensus of Abraham Lincoln, and this site had a similar topic of discussion there. I like this site, and only recently found it, so wasn't surprised to see the topic there. Many ppl give their experienced and non-experienced views on many topics. I live by the belief many minds are better than only a few, and there's more to glean that way too, as long as ppl are open-minded to start with.:
https://www.quora.com/Is-a-schola...an-history
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Lincoln was a bad human being. He cared nothing about slavery, only politics and power. His need for power was simply "keeping the Union together" when the southern states got fed up with paying the tariffs that the northern states put on them. The separate states were at that time in a voluntary union, not just postal codes under a federal regime we have today. The "Emancipation Proclamation" was a cruel joke. It did not apply to land under Union control, where they could have enforced it, and it only applied to other land where could not enforce it. Of course, it had no real effect, just political.

Don't take my word for this. Dig into it yourself and make up your own mind about Lincoln. If you disagree with me, fine. But please don't accept the religious garbage that makes him out to be a modern Jesus.
He was the first black president. Dont believe it? Google.
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How does this thread with only 6 thumbs-up get rated as a popular thread and email alerts sent for it?
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Useless. You can't beat corporate greed with "speech".
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Lincoln was a bad human being. He cared nothing about slavery, only politics and power. His need for power was simply "keeping the Union together" when the southern states got fed up with paying the tariffs that the northern states put on them. The separate states were at that time in a voluntary union, not just postal codes under a federal regime we have today. The "Emancipation Proclamation" was a cruel joke. It did not apply to land under Union control, where they could have enforced it, and it only applied to other land where could not enforce it. Of course, it had no real effect, just political.

Don't take my word for this. Dig into it yourself and make up your own mind about Lincoln. If you disagree with me, fine. But please don't accept the religious garbage that makes him out to be a modern Jesus.
I wouldn't necessarily say he was a bad human being. He had good intentions based on his beliefs, but you're right in what his beliefs mounted up to become -- more interest in keeping the Union together, regardless of the hundreds of thousands of lives list. Leading edge federal power of his time.
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13th Amendment: Abolished slavery in all states. Lincoln ran for re-election on a platform urging its passage, pushed congress to pass it after the election, and he signed it.

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13th Amendment: Abolished slavery in all states. Lincoln ran for re-election on a platform urging its passage, pushed congress to pass it after the election, and he signed it.
Two words for you: April Fifteenth

Yeah, he "abolished slavery."

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I wouldn't feed the troll except apparently a bunch of people are taking things he said seriously. There is no question that Lincoln was one of the best people who has lived. Im nit sure his policies were right, but there's no question about his character. Also, No, he wasn't more concerned with maintaining the union than abolishing slavery. He could easily have held the union together by renouncing his abolitionist views after his election and promising to fight for the souths right to slavery. He didn't because he was an ardent abolitionist, and he preferred to take the nation to war rather that accept slavery.
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he preferred to take the nation to war rather that accept slavery.
Always an easy decision...when you aren't the one fighting and dying.

Lincoln wanted a legacy, and he got it, atop over 600,000 dead. Ford's Theater was karma.

Slavery was going to end regardless. The real issue was the North wanted to economically dominate the South.
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Always an easy decision...when you aren't the one fighting and dying.

Lincoln wanted a legacy, and he got it, atop over 600,000 dead. Ford's Theater was karma.

Slavery was going to end regardless. The real issue was the North wanted to economically dominate the South.
I'm not a blind fan of Lincoln, but this is a moronic analysis.

edit: Do I think the civil war could have been avoided? Yes. I think that a compromise could have been reached that would be many times better than the civil war? Yes. Do I think Lincoln could have done a lot more to reach such a compromise? Yes. But to chalk it all up to Evil Lincoln just wanting a legacy and the evil North just wanting to dominate the South is a lazy and ridiculous argument.
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I'm not a blind fan of Lincoln, but this is a moronic analysis.
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There is no question that Lincoln was one of the best people who has lived.
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edit: Do I think the civil war could have been avoided? Yes.
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he preferred to take the nation to war rather that accept slavery.
Lincoln: warmonger.


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a moronic analysis....a lazy and ridiculous argument.
Yes, yours is.
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Lincoln: warmonger.




Yes, yours is.
On fandom: I seriously question Lincoln's political choices. I believe his character is unimpeachable and that, morally speaking, he was one of the best men to come to power in history.

On analysis: My "analysis" is bare-bones because I'm responding to yours, which is so trollish and lazy that it's not even worth responding to. The only reason I did respond is that I decided it would be fun. However, it's not fun enough to have an entire conversation of me responding to trollish comments, so don't expect any further replies unless you can put some more thought into your answers.
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