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Joe Davola 8,208 11,123 September 16, 2016 at 06:20 PM
FiOS finally installed internet, but their ONT is in the garage on the first floor and their router is on the second floor of my 4 story townhome. The issue is there are 5 ethernet lines homerunned into the garage, but the FiOS guy said the only way to connect those is to connect the FiOS router in the garage and add a second router of my own somewhere else. I thought I could just connect an 8 port switch in the garage and I'd be done, but that doesn't seem to work. Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated since I'm not a network expert.

Any cheap, but decent router suggestions will help too if that is my only option.

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FiOS finally installed internet, but their ONT is in the garage on the first floor and their router is on the second floor of my 4 story townhome. The issue is there are 4 ethernet lines homerunned into the garage, but the FiOS guy said the only way to connect those is to connect the FiOS router in the garage and add a second router of my own somewhere else. I thought I could just connect an 8 port switch in the garage and I'd be done, but that doesn't seem to work. Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated since I'm not a network expert.

Any cheap, but decent router suggestions will help too if that is my only option.
How is the ONT connected to the router?
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How is the ONT connected to the router?
By one of the 5 converted ethernet lines that goes into the 2nd floor great room.
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What all is connected to the FIOS router? Any coax cables or all ethernet?

If you have 2 cables that run between any one point and the garage, you could connect 1 from the ont to the router and the other from the router back to a switch in the garage and then power up the other cables.


If not, you could put the fios router in the garage but that isn't an ideal location.
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What all is connected to the FIOS router? Any coax cables or all ethernet?

If you have 2 cables that run between any one point and the garage, you could connect 1 from the ont to the router and the other from the router back to a switch in the garage and then power up the other cables.


If not, you could put the fios router in the garage but that isn't an ideal location.
Thanks! Since there are only single lines, it would appear that my only option is to put the FiOS router in the garage and add another router or access point where one of the ethernet ports are.
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Can you run another line up the side of the house?

You could also use that single cable and wire it for 2 outlets. You only use 2 pairs for 10 and 100 Ethernet. You really don't need GB so clock down the port to 10 or 100 and use 2 pairs for one line and 2 pairs for the other. You might find you have too much crosstalk with 100 but 10mb can run over barbed-wire and works fine.
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Can you run another line up the side of the house?

You could also use that single cable and wire it for 2 outlets. You only use 2 pairs for 10 and 100 Ethernet. You really don't need GB so clock down the port to 10 or 100 and use 2 pairs for one line and 2 pairs for the other. You might find you have too much crosstalk with 100 but 10mb can run over barbed-wire and works fine.
Thanks. Another line isn't feasible, I have 150/150 speeds and splitting the line would be impossible for a network n00b like me.

Anyone have any thoughts on this router? http://www.staples.com/NETGEAR-AC1200-Dual-Band-Wi-Fi-Router-R6100-100NAS/product_71445
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You dont even need to use their router - they are likely charging you 5 dollars a month for rental.
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You dont even need to use their router - they are likely charging you 5 dollars a month for rental.
Thanks! I bought their router on eBay at a sweet price a year ago and it isn't that bad.
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Thanks. Another line isn't feasible, I have 150/150 speeds and splitting the line would be impossible for a network n00b like me.

Anyone have any thoughts on this router? http://www.staples.com/NETGEAR-AC...duct_71445
You don't need another router.


The simplest thing you can do is put the router in the garage.


Other options are:
Split a cable into two 100mbps cables. This isn't ideal but is easier than you think, this is slower than your internet but is cheaper and may be faster than some of the alternatives.


Use MoCa for a second line back to the garage. The fios router likely has MoCa built in so you'd only need an adapter than runs $50-80. MoCa usually runs at speeds greater than 100mbps. Put MoCa adapter and switch in the garage.
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You don't need another router.


The simplest thing you can do is put the router in the garage.


Other options are:
Split a cable into two 100mbps cables. This isn't ideal but is easier than you think, this is slower than your internet but is cheaper and may be faster than some of the alternatives.


Use MoCa for a second line back to the garage. The fios router likely has MoCa built in so you'd only need an adapter than runs $50-80. MoCa usually runs at speeds greater than 100mbps. Put MoCa adapter and switch in the garage.
Thanks again! Even though it appears that a router might cost around the same, if not less, do you mean THIS [amazon.com]?

If so, are you saying I just need to get that MoCa adapter, connect it to my FiOS router and the coax port near that router and keep the switch as I have it connected to the ONT?
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Thanks again! Even though it appears that a router might cost around the same, if not less, do you mean THIS [amazon.com]?

If so, are you saying I just need to get that MoCa adapter, connect it to my FiOS router and the coax port near that router and keep the switch as I have it connected to the ONT?
The device you linked to would work. There are newer moca 2.0 adapters that are faster but that won't matter. You can get moca adapters cheaper on ebay.


I don't have fios, but IIRC, the fios router has MoCa built in (RTFM/give model number). People have bought fios routers on the cheap to use them as moca adapters. If you buy another router you'd be using it as a moca adapter and switch. I'm not sure there any real advantage to this over just putting the main fios router in the garage...


MoCa is a bus topology kind of like token ring. Ethernet is a star topology. You would only be using moca between two points (with a moca device at each point, eg. the main router and the garage) as an alternative to an ethernet cable to feed a switch in your garage.


A switch connected directly to the jack on the ONT won't work. A router must be connected to the ONT, but it doesn't have to be a FIOS router. The router handles PPPoE authentication and NAT to allow your connection to be shared with multiple devices.


TL;DR version... Options:
-Put fios router in garage, add switch connected to the router's lan ports if you need more than 4 lan ports active
-Leave router where it is, use a moca adapter (or router configured as a moca adapter) and a switch in the garage to feed the cables that terminate there.
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You should be able to connect them all to a router just by putting a switch in the garage.

If there is an uplink port on the switch, use that for the line to the router.
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You should be able to connect them all to a router just by putting a switch in the garage.

If there is an uplink port on the switch, use that for the line to the router.
Not so fast. That would only work if the router is in the garage.

Otherwise it's like putting a switch between the modem and router.

There are 5 ethernet cables in the house, all go to different rooms and originate in the garage. The ont connects to one and then to the fios router.
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Not so fast. That would only work if the router is in the garage.

Otherwise it's like putting a switch between the modem and router.

There are 5 ethernet cables in the house, all go to different rooms and originate in the garage. The ont connects to one and then to the fios router.
I unfortunately agree since I already tried that. I wish that worked.

It looks like I'm going to go the additional router route and decided to splurge and got this one [costco.com]? Any thoughts?
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