After a strong summer, which saw the PS3 leap ahead of the Xbox 360 for several consecutive months, the PS3 has fallen back to third place in console sales. In fact, it is now far behind the Xbox 360.

Part of this can be explained by the Xbox 360 price drop, but I also wonder if Blu-ray enthusiasts are not buying PS3s because standalone players have fallen to below $150 in many cases.

A few weeks ago, Amazon even had a Sony BDP-S300 player for $75. When Blu-ray players were $400 (or even $300), it was a no-brainer to buy the PS3. But now that the PS3 is so much more expensive compared to a standalone player, I think many people are deciding to not buy a PS3.

I am still convinced that the PS3 is a better value for all the features it has compared to buying an Xbox 360 and a standalone Blu-ray player, but what if the buyer isn't that interested in games? Or maybe they have been sucked into the Wii craze, but still want hi-def movies. Wii + Blu-Ray player = $400, or about the same as a PS3.

Nobody can deny that some people were buying PS3s for BD exclusively. But it's a no-brainer that the strong sales push on the 360 is strictly due to the price cut. It's dirt cheap right now, the Arcade is even cheaper than a Wii. If Sony did a small price cut and stop supporting the PS2 so strongly still, PS3 sales would go through the roof.

No doubt that one of the appeals of the PS3 in the past was that it was like buying a BR player...with a free game console thrown on top. Certainly the price drop of BR players has cut into this. However, how many PS3 ads have you seen on TV recently (not games -- consoles)? I've seen very few, if any, but tons of 360 ads, as they're trying to make the most on their price cuts. (Wii has WOM advertising out the wazoo.) I'd say that combination of factors is probably responsible for the drop. It also helps that there's much more hype (seemingly) for Gears2 than R2, probably because of the larger user-base for gears. Nothing draws a crowd like a crowd...

I love the Playstation 3, but it comes down to what do your friends have. All of mine have a 360 therefore I had to get a 360 to play online with them.

I think the biggest difference is the fact that the xbox 360 was a much more attractive system a couple years back, therefore many people jumped on the xbox 360.

I personally do not believe the Playstation 3 is too expensive especially if your like me and require wireless. Xbox 360 Pro + Wireless $398. Thats basically the same price as the PS3 and you get a blue ray player and free online play.

I have both and as far as performance goes they are the same. There were a few PS3 games back a couple of years that had some real performance issues, but everything has now been fixed.

So I guess in the end it depends on what your using the system for. Since most people only game on there system, and the 360 has such a large base, the 360 becomes a reasonable option.

but how many stand alone BD players actually measure up to the quality of the PS3's BD player AND is actually cheaper than the PS3? I'm not sure I've seen any.

but then again...I havent done that much research. Can anyone cite examples and prices of standalone BD players that are nicely priced and measure up to the ps3's bd player quality?

I love the Playstation 3, but it comes down to what do your friends have. All of mine have a 360 therefore I had to get a 360 to play online with them.

I think the biggest difference is the fact that the xbox 360 was a much more attractive system a couple years back, therefore many people jumped on the xbox 360.


That doesn't explain why the PS3 surged ahead of the Xbox 360 for several months this year prior to the Xbox 360 and Blu-ray player price cuts.

the ps3 is still pretty expensive and sales would benefit dramatically from even a $50 price cut i think. I just bought one, but this is sd...obviously i didn't pay retail ( i didn't even pay half of retail).

but how many stand alone BD players actually measure up to the quality of the PS3's BD player AND is actually cheaper than the PS3? I'm not sure I've seen any.

but then again...I havent done that much research. Can anyone cite examples and prices of standalone BD players that are nicely priced and measure up to the ps3's bd player quality?
Not everyone cares about the higher quality or extra bells and whistles that come with PS3 playback...

but how many stand alone BD players actually measure up to the quality of the PS3's BD player AND is actually cheaper than the PS3? I'm not sure I've seen any.

but then again...I havent done that much research. Can anyone cite examples and prices of standalone BD players that are nicely priced and measure up to the ps3's bd player quality?

how do you compare quality of BD players anyways?

When you say its falling behind XBox sales, do you know what models of the XBox360 are outselling them? If the whole difference is being made up by $200 XBox Arcades, then that's probably your answer.

When you say its falling behind XBox sales, do you know what models of the XBox360 are outselling them? If the whole difference is being made up by $200 XBox Arcades, then that's probably your answer.

NPD doesn't break it down by model. Good question though.

how do you compare quality of BD players anyways?

most cheap blu ray players are not profile 2.0 compliant but not alot of people know that.. most of the ones you see on sale for <$300 are older models that will not utalize all of the blu ray features..

Funny thing is I don't know anyone with a Xbox but I hvae at least a half-dozen friends with PS3's

Not everyone cares about the higher quality or extra bells and whistles that come with PS3 playback...

I have a PS3 and I don't care about the bells and whistles.

I want to watch teh movie, and that's it. I've never been interested enough to sit through a commentary, or some stupid extra feature.

Movie on - Movie off. That's it.

most cheap blu ray players are not profile 2.0 compliant but not alot of people know that.. most of the ones you see on sale for <$300 are older models that will not utalize all of the blu ray features..

correct me if i'm wrong though, profile 2.0 add some pretty useless features rigth? like BD live?

I have a PS3 and I don't care about the bells and whistles.

I want to watch teh movie, and that's it. I've never been interested enough to sit through a commentary, or some stupid extra feature.

Movie on - Movie off. That's it.

I agree completely, i only care about the movie. Who gives a shit about the commentary, enhanced online content or whatever other crap they throw into the discs.

I don't think I ever paid any attention to the extra contents on all of my DVDs and HD DVDs.

It's one thing when you sell a machine at a loss in order to gain mass adoption but Sony is both selling it at a loss and keeping it expensive which is preventing mass adoption. I never understood the reasoning. While there is definitely value for its price (I'm decently content with mine, although I'm a little bitter b/c 1080p gaming wasn't delivered), the problem is that most people just aren't willing to spend over $300 for a videogame system.

I agree completely, i only care about the movie. Who gives a shit about the commentary, enhanced online content or whatever other crap they throw into the discs.

I don't think I ever paid any attention to the extra contents on all of my DVDs and HD DVDs.

I actually enjoy the special features, but the problem is finding the time to watch them.

Special features aren't what I was talking about -- that's part of the disc, not the player. "Extras" are the different codecs, upgradable firmware, etc.

Why should anyone really care if sales have fallen? Games are still coming out and they are generally better than on the PS3 vs. 360. Sony is still making the consoles, there are not mass failures and the online gaming is free.

Who cares if MSFT is selling an xbox for $200? I can bet it won't have a Blu-Ray player, so if you want to watch your DVD's in HD, you'll still need to buy a Blu-Ray player.

Why should anyone really care if sales have fallen? Games are still coming out and they are generally better than on the PS3 vs. 360. Sony is still making the consoles, there is not mass failures and the online gaming is free.

Who cares if MSFT is selling an xbox for $200? I can bet it won't have a Blu-Ray player, so if you want to watch your DVD's in HD, you'll still need to buy a Blu-Ray player.
less people buying means less interest by developers to create games for a system that isn't selling well. i want a ps3 and money isn't an issue, but i just don't see any sense in paying $400 for one. they really need to drop the price if they want to attract more people.

The $200 360 doesn't even have a hard drive, does it? That's pathetic. Stupid people are buying it though. STUPID people.

I think it's a combination of several factors rather than a single one. The cheap BR players may be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back, though. If I were buying a BR player and I could either get a simple stand alone or else a PS3 for the same price...well who would choose the stand alone? Now that you can save $200+ by going with the stand alone...well even if it's a cheaper player than the PS3 you have a much tougher decision.

I don't think the PS3 is too expensive to buy so the price drop of the 360 wouldn't drive me to choose it over the PS3. But I'm sure it does drive at least some of the soccer moms and part time (or casual, if you prefer) gamers toward the 360 over the PS3.

The reasons I haven't bought one yet are simple but there's not a single reason:
- Limited exclusive titles I want...I would play Uncharted, R&C, and MGS4 but I won't buy a $400 machine just so I can play them
- I have a 360 for HD gaming already...if I had only a Wii, then maybe I'd look into the PS3, but the majority of the HD games I want to play can be played on something I do already own. I think the fact that the 360 beat PS3 to market is still affecting the sales of the PS3.
- I'm happy with my DVDs and don't care about BR yet...I don't want to rebuy movies I own for $20+ more than I originally paid for them. And I can get new movies on DVD for much cheaper than BR.

The $200 360 doesn't even have a hard drive, does it? That's pathetic. Stupid people are buying it though. STUPID people.

:iagree:

Arcade= Biggest ripoff ever.


By the way, the day cheap blu-ray players start running MGS4, Resistance 2 and Killzone 2, then I'd worry about them cutting into the PS3's sales.

Why should anyone really care if sales have fallen? Games are still coming out and they are generally better than on the PS3 vs. 360. Sony is still making the consoles, there are not mass failures and the online gaming is free.

Who cares if MSFT is selling an xbox for $200? I can bet it won't have a Blu-Ray player, so if you want to watch your DVD's in HD, you'll still need to buy a Blu-Ray player.

i can watch my DVD's in HD anytime i want to and i dont have a PS3

- Limited exclusive titles...I would play Uncharted, R&C, and MGS4 but I won't buy a $400 machine just so I can play them


Jesus, someone please educate this guy.

The $200 360 doesn't even have a hard drive, does it? That's pathetic. Stupid people are buying it though. STUPID people.
Wii doesn't have an HDD...

That said, an arcade is a shell of a 360.

The $200 360 doesn't even have a hard drive, does it? That's pathetic. Stupid people are buying it though. STUPID people.

You can buy a standalone hard drive as an add on and still beat the price of a PS3. Some might say that's smart.

Jesus, someone please educate this guy.

Why don't you try? Tell me why my taste in games should match yours...
Just because you think an exclusive is great doesn't mean anyone else should.

Jesus, someone please educate this guy.
:confused: what'd he miss besides R&R2 that are the major exclusives? Not everyone likes FPS...

The $200 360 doesn't even have a hard drive, does it? That's pathetic. Stupid people are buying it though. STUPID people.

It comes with a 256MB memory card which is more than enough if you just want to save games. The Wii only has 512MB of storage and people seem okay with that.

:confused: what'd he miss besides R&R2 that are the major exclusives? Not everyone likes FPS...


LBP & Motorstorm 2 right now
God of War, Gran Turismo & Killzone next year (that I can think of off the top of my head)


And I seriously doubt he's not into FPS if he owns a 360. :lmao:
Honestly, the lack of games excuse at this point smacks of fanyboyism, so that's probably why he jumped on him.

You can buy a standalone hard drive as an add on and still beat the price of a PS3. Some might say that's smart.



Why don't you try? Tell me why my taste in games should match yours...
Just because you think an exclusive is great doesn't mean anyone else should.

And just because you think an exclusive is not good doesn't mean it really is bad.

To say the PS3 has LIMITED EXLUSIVE GAMES, regarldess if you like them or not, is quite ignorant.

The $200 360 doesn't even have a hard drive, does it? That's pathetic. Stupid people are buying it though. STUPID people.

It is amazing, but most people here think that it is cheap Xboxes that are undercutting the feature rich PS3. Maybe Sony should come out with a PS3 arcade with no hard drive, no wireless, and no free online. It would still be better than Xbox Arcade because of Blu-Ray.

Jesus, someone please educate this guy.

He makes perfect sense to me. If you have one of the 2 systems in which an overwhelming majority of their library is multiplatform, then it's not worth it for you to shell out $400 to play the minority of exclusives. He isn't making a "PS3 doesn't have games" statement. He's saying that both libraries overlap way too much that owning both systems is redundant. In my case for example, the pricetag for the 360 wouldn't be worth it b/c I picked up a PS3 first b/t the two.

He makes perfect sense to me. If you have one of the 2 systems in which an overwhelming majority of their library is multiplatform, then it's not worth it for you to shell out $400 to play the minority of exclusives. He isn't making a "PS3 doesn't have games" statement. He's saying that both libraries overlap way too much that owning both systems is redundant. In my case for example, the pricetag for the 360 wouldn't be worth it b/c I picked up a PS3 first b/t the two.


I agree w/ what YOU said. I would like to play Gears 1 & 2 and Left 4 Dead, but I don't see the point in getting a 360 right now just for those games. Same deal as him. However, he worded it as "limited exclusive titles" as one of the drawbacks the PS3 is facing and proceeded to name only 3 games like that is all that is exclusive. It would be just as foolish for me to pretend like the 3 games I listed are the only exclusive 360 games.

It's pretty obvious what he was trying to say.

I agree w/ what YOU said. I would like to play Gears 1 & 2 and Left 4 Dead, but I don't see the point in getting a 360 right now just for those games. Same deal as him. However, he worded it as "limited exclusive titles" as one of the drawbacks the PS3 is facing and proceeded to name only 3 games like that is all that is exclusive. It would be just as foolish for me to pretend like the 3 games I listed are the only exclusive 360 games.

It's pretty obvious what he was trying to say.
I remember a time when almost all the games out for a specific console were exclusive. Now a days there is only a handful, the rest are all multiplatform making the decision to own 2 different consoles hard.

LBP & Motorstorm 2 right now
God of War, Gran Turismo & Killzone next year (that I can think of off the top of my head)


And I seriously doubt he's not into FPS if he owns a 360. :lmao:
Honestly, the lack of games excuse at this point smacks of fanyboyism, so that's probably why he jumped on him.

Well, when those games are available, maybe I'll consider getting a PS3. Though I don't like racing games, so Motorstorm and Gran Turismo exclusivity doesn't mean a thing to me. LBP...I haven't seen enough of to decide on.

But regardless, why buy a PS3 now for games that may be available next year? If I wait, I'll still be able to get one when God of War is available (and a new Kingdom Hearts, too) and it may be cheaper.

I don't like FPS on any console...that's what PC gaming is for. I have one FPS game on 360 - The Orange Box (for Portal) - and none on any other console I own. So the Resistance, Killzone, etc. games do nothing for me.

And just because you think an exclusive is not good doesn't mean it really is bad.

To say the PS3 has LIMITED EXLUSIVE GAMES, regarldess if you like them or not, is quite ignorant.

I fixed my original statement to indicate that it has limited games I'm interested in....all better?

I remember a time when almost all the games out for a specific console were exclusive. Now a days there is only a handful, the rest are all multiplatform making the decision to own 2 different consoles hard.

Agreed, and it sucks. I can't blame anyone for not dropping $400 on a PS3 when I won't even drop $200 on a 360. Granted, a PS3 can easily be had for less than $400 and an Arcade costs more than $200 when you factor in the need for a HD, wireless and Live membership so the numbers are closer than they appear...but the point is still the same. Can't blame either company for holding onto whatever exclusives they can, but it sucks for those that want to play everything.

However, he worded it as "limited exclusive titles" as one of the drawbacks the PS3 is facing and proceeded to name only 3 games like that is all that is exclusive.

It's pretty obvious what he was trying to say.

See my above reply. "I'm only interested in three of the exclusives offered on PS3" is what I really meant. I know that there are more than 3 on the system...I'm neither ignorant nor uninformed. And I certainly am not a fanboy.

Xbox 360 Price Drop + the fact that consumers are spending wisely this year.

my vote went to the price-drop in the 360. like others have said here, the soccer moms and casual gamers will likely get the Arcade 360 and be content with playing the 360 games that are out there. a $50 price drop would go a long way for pushing more PS3s

The $200 360 doesn't even have a hard drive, does it? That's pathetic. Stupid people are buying it though. STUPID people.

not everyone uses the HDs, I have an elite and the HD is basically empty. I have a 160GB HD on my PS3 and yet again it's mostly empty.

not everyone uses the HDs, I have an elite and the HD is basically empty. I have a 160GB HD on my PS3 and yet again it's mostly empty.

I have 3 letters for you: NXE

There is a big difference between having a large HD and using only a fraction of it and having no HD. Just because you use very little compared to your total amount of space doesn't mean you would be able to get by with no space.

LBP & Motorstorm 2 right now
God of War, Gran Turismo & Killzone next year (that I can think of off the top of my head)


And I seriously doubt he's not into FPS if he owns a 360. :lmao:
Honestly, the lack of games excuse at this point smacks of fanyboyism, so that's probably why he jumped on him.

no i don't think that was fanboyism.
most games nowadays are multiplatform, and unless you absolutely need to play every good game of this generation I don't really see much of an incentive for a 360 owner to buy a PS3 and vice versa.

I have 3 letters for you: NXE

There is a big difference between having a large HD and using only a fraction of it and having no HD. Just because you use very little compared to your total amount of space doesn't mean you would be able to get by with no space.

thats the point, it's NOT no space.
Arcades get 512MB (through that free program at least), or pay $20 for a 20GB

I don't like FPS on any console...that's what PC gaming is for. I have one FPS game on 360 - The Orange Box (for Portal) - and none on any other console I own. So the Resistance, Killzone, etc. games do nothing for me.



same here. FPS on consoles just drive me nuts, I'm just not used to that dual analog setup and I have no intention of getting used to it. The controls (and well the poor draw distance) made me sell my console copy of GTA4 and wait for the PC release.

And just because you think an exclusive is not good doesn't mean it really is bad.

To say the PS3 has LIMITED EXLUSIVE GAMES, regarldess if you like them or not, is quite ignorant.

huh? he's not interested in the PS3 exclusives so he decided not to buy one,, that sounds pretty logical to me.

no i don't think that was fanboyism.
most games nowadays are multiplatform, and unless you absolutely need to play every good game of this generation I don't really see much of an incentive for a 360 owner to buy a PS3 and vice versa.


I agree and I posted basically the same thing a couple of posts ago. However, his original post (that he has since editted) DID make him sound like a fanboy. He changed the post, clarified what he meant and the thread moved on, so not sure what the point was here but I think you are jumping in a little late...


thats the point, it's NOT no space.
Arcades get 512MB (through that free program at least), or pay $20 for a 20GB

Yes, you can get that stuff since the NXE announcement, but the fact is it doesn't come w/ anything and you know full well there are plenty of uninformed grandparents and soccer moms out there buying that SKU not knowing it is not a "complete" system. It's a scam and everybody knows it.

I agree and I posted basically the same thing a couple of posts ago. However, his original post (that he has since editted) DID make him sound like a fanboy. He changed the post, clarified what he meant and the thread moved on, so not sure what the point was here but I think you are jumping in a little late...



Yes, you can get that stuff since the NXE announcement, but the fact is it doesn't come w/ anything and you know full well there are plenty of uninformed grandparents and soccer moms out there buying that SKU not knowing it is not a "complete" system. It's a scam and everybody knows it.
That's amazing you're able to summarize what people are thinking without even knowing them. I wish I had that ability.

That's amazing you're able to summarize what people are thinking without even knowing them. I wish I had that ability.



Really? How about educating me on how it isn't a scam instead of just posting a pointless, sarcastic comment. Would love to hear it.

Really? How about educating me on how it isn't a scam instead of just posting a pointless, sarcastic comment. Would love to hear it.

How is it a scam if people don't need the HD?
Lots of people never go online with their systems at all, or play games that have saves that wouldn't fit on a memory card.

So why is it a scam for there to be a model of the Xbox 360 tailored to that market?

bluray is just an excuse for alot of ppl

How is it a scam if people don't need the HD?
Lots of people never go online with their systems at all, or play games that have saves that wouldn't fit on a memory card.

So why is it a scam for there to be a model of the Xbox 360 tailored to that market?

how is it not a scam when a lot of the features they're touting; streaming Netflix, full rip of games, best online community, can't be fully utilized without purchasing the HD, Live subscription and for some a wireless adapter. whether they don't use those features or not, if they ever wanted to... wouldn't be able to with the standalone Arcade Xbox 360.

I said "other", because #1, there has always been a trend of slumping sales through the summer months. #2, the economy.

how is it not a scam when a lot of the features they're touting; streaming Netflix, full rip of games, best online community

Do they advertise that stuff on the Arcade box?
If they do that on the Arcade box then yes it is a scam.

But nobody NEEDS the WiFi adaptor.
Period.

Do they advertise that stuff on the Arcade box?
If they do that on the Arcade box then yes it is a scam.

But nobody NEEDS the WiFi adaptor.
Period.
Um they advertise the online gaming aspect for lots of games
Then they flash the Xbox Arcade, now 199.99. so you go from online gaming to promoting the arcade price

Um they advertise the online gaming aspect for lots of games
Then they flash the Xbox Arcade, now 199.99. so you go from online gaming to promoting the arcade price

But what does it say on the Arcade box? :confused:
Does it say that you need an HDD & Live for online?
Or does it not say anything?

I think most games say you need an HDD & Live for online right on their boxes...

it says it in the little manual inside the box
And i do think they have live some sort of live promo that says you need additional HD and subscription on the box.

I was about to pull the trigger on a PS3 a few months ago just for Blu Ray alone. Then they dropped PS2 compatibity. They'll never get my money unless they add that feature back in.

I was about to pull the trigger on a PS3 a few months ago just for Blu Ray alone. Then they dropped PS2 compatibity. They'll never get my money unless they add that feature back in.

They got rid of BC b/c the PS2 still sells well.

I think the main reasons for selling slow down is the bad economy and 360 price drops.

I think just about everyone who participates in this forum would agree that they wouldn't want a 360 arcade. It really is the very bare minimum. Is that a 'scam', not really? Just smart marketing on MS's part because they are able to push so much more volume at that price point.

Does Sony need to lower the price of PS3? Well, if they wanted to sell more, sure. But at this point we don't really know if they can afford the extra loss. Hardware/features per dollar though, the PS3 is still a good value IMO.

How is it a scam if people don't need the HD?
Lots of people never go online with their systems at all, or play games that have saves that wouldn't fit on a memory card.

So why is it a scam for there to be a model of the Xbox 360 tailored to that market?



To say "lots" of people never go online is an exxaggeration. I have no doubts that the Arcade fits the bill for some people. But it's safe to say most people want to play online. That's not even up for debate. For the people who know what they are getting and don't mind the limited capabilities, the Arcade is fine. I am saying it is a scam because many times, it is preying on clueless people buying it for their kids who have no idea what the difference is between and Arcade and an Elite. All they know is their kid wants a 360 and look, this one's only $200. What a deal! You cannot deny this happens all the time.

To say "lots" of people never go online is an exxaggeration. I have no doubts that the Arcade fits the bill for some people. But it's safe to say most people want to play online. That's not even up for debate. For the people who know what they are getting and don't mind the limited capabilities, the Arcade is fine. I am saying it is a scam because many times, it is preying on clueless people buying it for their kids who have no idea what the difference is between and Arcade and an Elite. All they know is their kid wants a 360 and look, this one's only $200. What a deal! You cannot deny this happens all the time.
Caveat emptor....

Caveat emptor....



Of course. I have no sympathy for people who aren't smart enough to make an informed purchase. And most companies do stuff like this. It's no different than Sony selling a PS-branded HDMI cable for $50 when it's no better or worse than a $5 one from Monoprice. But let's call a spade a spade.

Really? How about educating me on how it isn't a scam instead of just posting a pointless, sarcastic comment. Would love to hear it.
Well, I never thought it was a scam or considered that people were buying it without a clue. That pretty much debunks your claim that "everybody" knows it's a scam.

There's your education. And while you're at it you might as well continue to post what everyone else thinks with those mind reading abilities of yours.

Well, I never thought it was a scam or considered that people were buying it without a clue. That pretty much debunks your claim that "everybody" knows it's a scam.

There's your education. And while you're at it you might as well continue to post what everyone else thinks with those mind reading abilities of yours.



You're right, my statement was a little too general and gave some people too much credit. I'll fix it...Anyone w/ half a brain knows it's a scam. Feel better now?

You're right, my statement was a little too general and gave some people too much credit. I'll fix it...Anyone w/ half a brain knows it's a scam. Feel better now?

Hes just nit picking and trying to minimize the great point you made that there is going to be alot of grandparents and parents saying wow little johnny wanted an xbox 360 for xmas and there is one for $200 then johnny gets all excited and opens it up and sees an xbox 360 arcade and is let down that he got the arcade version and goes emo until his parents go out and by him all the stuff at a higher price then if they had just went and got the 60gb 360.

To say "lots" of people never go online is an exxaggeration. I have no doubts that the Arcade fits the bill for some people. But it's safe to say most people want to play online. That's not even up for debate.


2 words 4U

Wii Owners.

2 words 4U

Wii Owners.

What the hell are you talking about? I play Mario Kart Wii online all the time :rolleyes:

What the hell are you talking about? I play Mario Kart Wii online all the time :rolleyes:

Wii's online sucks, and most Wii users aren't online.

Wii's online sucks, and most Wii users aren't online.


Then why would nintendo build wifi in it but MS didnt build it in the 360 since thats one of 360s biggest selling point is online... im confused.... besides I play my wii online quite a bit.

2 words 4U

Wii Owners.
2 words

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wii's online does indeed suck. it's so hard to set up an online game with friends unless you call them to set it up. on my ps3 i can see my friends are online and then join them in a game of mk2. it's sick

wii's online does indeed suck. it's so hard to set up an online game with friends unless you call them to set it up. on my ps3 i can see my friends are online and then join them in a game of mk2. it's sick
wait weren't you the troll who's backing up SSBB and saying wii's the best?

I think he was being sarcastic about brawl sales.

I think he was being sarcastic about brawl sales.

Doesn't sound sarcastic to me, and it's true.
Setting up online matches with friends stinks, and it's impossible to tell when your friends are online and what game they're playing without contacting them over the phone or web or something.

It also stinks that Nintendo forces you to go wireless, with absolutely no option at all for having your Wii on a wired connection.

Sure, it's free, but you're getting what you pay for.

It also stinks that Nintendo forces you to go wireless, with absolutely no option at all for having your Wii on a wired connection.



Umm, yeah you can, you can get a USB ethernet adapter.

Doesn't sound sarcastic to me, and it's true.
Setting up online matches with friends stinks, and it's impossible to tell when your friends are online and what game they're playing without contacting them over the phone or web or something.

It also stinks that Nintendo forces you to go wireless, with absolutely no option at all for having your Wii on a wired connection.

Sure, it's free, but you're getting what you pay for.

I think he meant he was being sarcastic when talking up Smash Bros. as opposed to being sarcastic about the difficulty of setting up online matches with the Wii - but I could be wrong. It does absolutely suck when compared to Live and PSN. But the reason was to protect the large number of kids that historically play games on the Nintendo consoles.

As for the wireless being your only option - you can make it wired. I'm pretty sure its via an ethernet to USB adapter you can buy to use a hardwired connection...don't quote me on the connector type since mine is wireless - but I'm 100% positive you CAN use a wired connection on a Wii.

I've heard that Mario Kart is the exception for an otherwise lackluster online system on the wii. Maybe Brian can shed some light on this but I've heard that it's actually quite painless and convenient to get a race going with a bunch of strangers on MK wii.

Doesn't sound sarcastic to me, and it's true.
Setting up online matches with friends stinks, and it's impossible to tell when your friends are online and what game they're playing without contacting them over the phone or web or something.

It also stinks that Nintendo forces you to go wireless, with absolutely no option at all for having your Wii on a wired connection.

Sure, it's free, but you're getting what you pay for.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000VURBBA/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all

Cheaper than the official nintendo one and it works. But beware, you can't just use any adapter. It has to have the correct type of chipset. The Airlink ASOHOUSB has this.

Anyway back on topic...

Another thing working in favor of the PS3 is it actually has a respectable library of games now.

The cheap blu-ray players will actually help the PS3 by helping the blu-ray format gain more traction in general. The PS3 doesn't have to rely on being "the best value in a movie player" anymore.

I've heard that Mario Kart is the exception for an otherwise lackluster online system on the wii. Maybe Brian can shed some light on this but I've heard that it's actually quite painless and convenient to get a race going with a bunch of strangers on MK wii.

Its very easy. You just choose Nintendo WFC (you can play by yourself or split scren with your freind if you have anothe controller) then you pick from worldwide/regional/freinds then it will show a globe and where all the other players are located and their names then the race starts.... as simple as that lol... sometimes you may get caught in between races and you watch others race. Its pretty cool.... very simple, not a chore to do...no lag no nothing.... just alot of fun...

I've heard that Mario Kart is the exception for an otherwise lackluster online system on the wii. Maybe Brian can shed some light on this but I've heard that it's actually quite painless and convenient to get a race going with a bunch of strangers on MK wii.
It's coming around. smash was lackluster, though "with friends" works well if you're close. Their matching algorithm is pretty terrible. Mario Kart is good, and 3rd parties have stepped it up. I believe EA doesn't require friend codes (just EA nation) with their 09 offerings, and titles are now going to be supporting voice chat.

I don't really care about voice chat after playing through GTA4 on PSN. Having it as an option would be nice but I've come to realize that the most important aspect of online gaming is a system that gets you in and out of matches quickly with little to no down time.

Brawl was fun though playing with the slickdeals people though despite the hassles of setting up a convenient time, entering friend codes and setting up an online chatroom to text each other...sigh...

ps3 owns all the blu-ray out there

The PS3 is still better than other Blu-Ray players because of firmware updates and such, but it may be difficult to get that message out to consumers.

I think it's definitely the 360 price drop. Every 360-branded ad ends with "Starts at $199" -- now that may not be wholly accurate (no HDD / etc.) but it gets the message across: if you want a cheap next-gen console, the 360 is your best bet. For moms buying for kids and for average consumers, that's the message they've been waiting to hear.

(Disclaimer: I own both a 360 and a PS3)