So, I realize I am gonna get my a$$ handed to me on this one, but there is NO WAY that a deal about a weapon should be on the front page of slickdeals.

There have been several today and a I would hate to think that this is the start of something we're always going to see. Politics aside, weapons that require a license almost always have significant restrictions on the ways they can be advertised. Just like Porn. Just like Gambling. Just like Pills.


These restrictions mean that it can be very hard to find a way to advertise online if you are selling these items, no matter what your willing to pay. Based on what I have seen today, it looks as if there are a couple of online Gun stores that have found Slickdeals.


I could be totally off base, but after reading through the offers, I get the impression that they are being placed by self-promoters.I have no problem with self promotion... sometimes the deals are good and we save money. When they are no good, the OP gets torn a new one and we all get to have a laugh at their expense ;)


Just like with Porn, Pills and Gambling, there are a good number of people that find Guns objectionable. Just like with Porn, Pills and Gambling, I don't want to see Guns on the front page.Can you imagine if slickdeals came out and said that it would be cool to post great deals about porn sites? Forget whether your find porn objectionable, think about how many posts would start flooding in?

The reason so much of your spam is made up of porn offers is not because it's cheap advertising.... spamming on the scale needed to be successful is expensive. Porn is in your inbox because they are so massively restricted everywhere else they want to advertise. I'm gonna shut up now and leave leave you with this:
1) If a weapon requires you to have a license, DO NOT allow it on the front page (Frontpage Deal, Hot Topics or Up & Coming).

2) Realize that if gun resellers and their affiliates figure out what slickdeals is all about...get ready for some serious spamming.

Thanks for reading this..... and let the a$$ handing begin!!

Only handguns require a permit for purchase.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

.....this ought to be good....I had better duck down to get out of the line of fire....I wouldn't want to block any sniper fire....

:popcorn: :popcorn:

:lol:

While I will completely and utterly disagree that firearms are even remotely as offensive or "objectionable" as pornography, pills, or gambling, you concern of spamming is valid. I respect the difference of opinion, and will throw in my 2 cents.

The beauty of SD is that deals bubble up based on the ratings of users. Things that are viewed as amazing deals by members float up, while crappy deals sink. True spamming and lame deals get hammered by members, and will avoid making the front page. While this requires the moral fortitude of the SD community, I think it is safe to assume that the majority would not find guns as offensive as what you have previously listed.

Also, the laws regarding the purchasing of firearms are varied by state, there is not specific and individual federal regulation on the advertising of firearms...which is why you will see them in the Big 5 flier that comes with the Sunday paper. Firearms can only be shipped to FFL dealers, but it does not prevent deals from being posted online. As long as the firearm seller and buyer are following state and federal laws everything is fine.

So in regards to your points

1) Firearms do not require permits in MAJORITY of States, you have to have a drivers license to drive a car, should we not see any car deals either?

2) Spamming would be a problem with lots of advertisers, the community doesn't want it, and by the way that Slickdeals is structured, spamming should be eliminated or regulated.

As a member of the FSM church, I feel that the front page deals should only be for deals relating to pasta, midgets, and Pirates.

A good deal is a good deal. Whether it's a handgun or a steal on Midol. Fact is, just because it's advertised as being a deal, that does not mean SlickDeals is saying "run out and buy a gun today!!!". There are laws regarding guns, so it doesn't matter. Those laws will decide who gets or doesn't get a gun.

That said, I just went to the front page, and there are no gun deals. Where did you see this?

So, I realize I am gonna get my a$$ handed to me on this one, but there is NO WAY that a deal about a weapon should be on the front page of slickdeals.
We don't select firearm deals, no matter how good, as Slickdeals "Front Page" deals as a policy. However, popular threads are stuck on the front page automagically in Hot Topics or Up & Coming. This includes firearms deals.

[...]weapons that require a license almost always have significant restrictions on the ways they can be advertised. Just like Porn. Just like Gambling. Just like Pills.
You are incorrect on a few things. One, weapons only require licenses in certain local areas and a select few states. In most states, no license is required to purchase or own a firearm.

Additionally, there are absolutely no restrictions on how they can be advertised. For advertisement purposes, posting a gun deal is no different than posting a deal on a hard drive.

These restrictions mean that it can be very hard to find a way to advertise online if you are selling these items, no matter what your willing to pay. Based on what I have seen today, it looks as if there are a couple of online Gun stores that have found Slickdeals.
As I have stated, there are no restrictions on advertisements for firearms. Additionally, we monitor shills very closely, and when we see them, we ban them and remove their posts. At the time of this posting, there is zero evidence that any of the firearm deals currently posted are posted by shills.

I could be totally off base, but after reading through the offers, I get the impression that they are being placed by self-promoters.I have no problem with self promotion... sometimes the deals are good and we save money. When they are no good, the OP gets torn a new one and we all get to have a laugh at their expense ;)
Slickdeals has a problem with self promotion. It is a warnable/bannable offense.

Just like with Porn, Pills and Gambling, there are a good number of people that find Guns objectionable. Just like with Porn, Pills and Gambling, I don't want to see Guns on the front page.Can you imagine if slickdeals came out and said that it would be cool to post great deals about porn sites? Forget whether your find porn objectionable, think about how many posts would start flooding in?
We have an ignore thread feature. Simply add the firearms deals to your ignored threads and you will no longer see them.

1) If a weapon requires you to have a license, DO NOT allow it on the front page (Frontpage Deal, Hot Topics or Up & Coming).
Cars require licenses, and in many cases are more restricted than firearms. Should we not allow car deals?

2) Realize that if gun resellers and their affiliates figure out what slickdeals is all about...get ready for some serious spamming.
As I have stated many times already, spamming and shilling is not allowed. We will deal with spammers and shillers like we always do, and it will be mostly transparent to our forum members as a whole.

Only handguns require a permit for purchase.

not in my state.

The Raddish said it all very calmly

I do need to add after checking email its my 2nd stop I like all deals no matter what if its a free pack of GUM, UZI or a GT9800. I will only suggest if you dont like it nobody is keeping you here. This is a community that likes to get a product at a great price. BTW I like firearms and have posted on these deals. If I find a deal any deal that I think someone else might want,need,or never never thought of before I will and hope someone else would post on it and continue as long as it does not violate a SD policy This is what this space on the web is about

Thanks everyone for your comments. I am grateful. Lot's of really valid points have been raised.

1) I should have been clearer when I was talking about advertising restrictions. I have no clue if there are federal restrictions on the advertising of firearms. The restrictions I am talking about are more practical. There are no major online networks (Google, Yahoo, MSN etc) that allow firearm advertising.

2) My thoughts on licensing was meant a point of distinction between what should and should not be allowed on the front page. I recently read a story about a man being bludgeoned to death with an iPod. I also hear those mean and evil kitchen knives can sometimes leave a nasty scratch ;) - Anything and everything can be a weapon. To clarify, if an item requires FFA (Types 1-11, excluding 3 and 6) holder involvement for you to purchase it, then it should not be on the front page.

3) Hot Topics etc. It would be easy to exclude parts of the forum from being included in any trending / hot topics. Perhaps give firearms deals a specific tag that people can ignore.

4) @Ray Nagin. Touche sir. That being said, our rights are regularly impugned in areas of public discourse. Like I said, should we have deals for BOGO at porn-n-pills.com? <== not an affiliate link ;)

5) @DNC . I agree whole heartedly. In fact, I think SD should have pop-ups highlighting deals about pasta and pirates. Also, frilly pink hair bows.

6) SD is obviously not a place for politics. But discussing site policy in the in Issues and Suggestions seems appropriate to me.

7) Self promotion. @Raddish. It's great that SD works hard to avoid self promoters. That being said, it's crazy big business and happening right now, I promise. SD accounts with a post count of ~1000 quality posts goes for $50 or more in plenty of places online. Affiliate marketers and site owners employ people full-time to post in forums as a way to generate traffic. The dumb ones get spotted easily and removed. The smart ones, in the case of SD, are posting good offers, so I personally don't care.... just so long as my $10 DVD player shows up. I'm the schmuck that rents guns went I shoot, so I'm not really down with what an SD is on rifles. It seems to me that "AK's now in stock" is not much of a deal unless it's at goodwill.com.

This is a statement of opinion and not an official remark as an administrator.

Well, while it may be an appropriate location to suggest policy changes, the topic certainly isnt free from political bias.

Firearm deals are permitted on our website, mainly because they are not illegal, are accessible to most users in the USA, are owned by a many people, and are protected by our constitution.

Your suggestion basically amounts to the automatic censorship of deals. The idea of censoring our user's deals as a policy would mean that not only is slickdeals creating a policy that is politically motivated, but is also censoring users and depriving other users of the chance to get a information on a deal or product they may have interest in.

What if someday, someone came into the SIS and said that "even though its not illegal, you shouldn't have deals on anti-contraceptives." Its a good analogy because it is also a political hot topic.

I believe that Slickdeals should stay away from making policy based on politics, and we definitely do not want to lead down the road of censorship because of political hot topics.

We certainly do not allow illegal things to be posted, and that is where i believe the line should be drawn. If someday guns become illegal, then we wont allow them. If someday anti-contraceptives are illegal, we wont allow them. But as long as they are legal, I don't see a good reason to censor them.

Dang...now I just have to poke a stick into here and be the Devil's advocate.

I really don't care one way or another about gun deals.

But, using the arguments that you are defending the issue with makes me question why products on A&E (or other "toy" ) sites cannot be listed.

I know that you wish this place to be friendly to those 12 and above...but then we're back to the OPs question and concern.


Why not just say...it's a privately owned site and MrSD can do whatever he wants to with it. :harhar: and leave it at that?





:popcorn:

Why not? A deal on a gun (or ammo) is a deal on one item spelled out in our constitution. Please do not censor front page deals. If you don't like them don't buy one and ignore any deals. I don't like some items that make the front page but I don't complain, I skip over them and buy what I want.

Keep the guns and ammo deals coming. With demand way up due to our too liberal government we need the deals we can find.

Only handguns require a permit for purchase.

I don't have the count but many if not most states do NOT require permits. Permits are required for concealed carry...about 48 states have some level of that.

All states use the "quick purchase eligibility check" by the feds, sorry not the exact right name for it but it's a quick check to be sure you are allowed to buy firearms.

By the way if anybody reading this is NOT anti-gun like the post starter seems to be please JOIN THE NRA NOW to help protect our gun rights. Go in via some sites like Midway and you can join for $25 per year.

Censorship due to politics is the road to Communitarianism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarian)

I don't have the count but many if not most states do NOT require permits. Permits are required for concealed carry...about 48 states have some level of that.

All states use the "quick purchase eligibility check" by the feds, sorry not the exact right name for it but it's a quick check to be sure you are allowed to buy firearms.

By the way if anybody reading this is NOT anti-gun like the post starter seems to be please JOIN THE NRA NOW to help protect our gun rights. Go in via some sites like Midway and you can join for $25 per year.

Way off topic but I wanted to respond to your post and give insight to my state.

My state, NC, does the quick purchase for long guns. To buy a handgun you have to go to the police department and have a background check run and pay $5 per permit (and receive 5 at one time). These permits must be turned over when you purchase a handgun from a dealer.

However, if you have your CC license you do not have to go through the permit but do have to go through the same process and have your fingerprints on file.

Dang...now I just have to poke a stick into here and be the Devil's advocate.

I really don't care one way or another about gun deals.

But, using the arguments that you are defending the issue with makes me question why products on A&E (or other "toy" ) sites cannot be listed.

I know that you wish this place to be friendly to those 12 and above...but then we're back to the OPs question and concern.


Why not just say...it's a privately owned site and MrSD can do whatever he wants to with it. :harhar: and leave it at that?
Actually, the answer to this question is fairly simple. Many people view SD from work, and many work filters will filter sites that link to 'porn' sites.

True, A&E isn't porn per se, but many filters treat it (and other 'adult product' sites) as such.

We must take proactive action to keep SD from being filtered so that we may reach as many users as possible.

way to compare guns to porn and pills OP !

Political Correctness is Neo-Tolerant Fascism or Tolerance with like minded individuals, and persecution of those who think differently.

Actually, the answer to this question is fairly simple. Many people view SD from work, and many work filters will filter sites that link to 'porn' sites.

True, A&E isn't porn per se, but many filters treat it (and other 'adult product' sites) as such.

We must take proactive action to keep SD from being filtered so that we may reach as many users as possible.

If you really wanted to reach as many users as possible, you would allow freebies to be cross-posted on the HD forum. I realize freebies don't make any money for SD, but it would be in keeping with the spirit of SD to allow that.

If you really wanted to reach as many users as possible, you would allow freebies to be cross-posted on the HD forum. I realize freebies don't make any money for SD, but it would be in keeping with the spirit of SD to allow that.
Off-topic derailment here, but....

Since you said it: why does everyone think that we make policy that's motivated by making money. If that were true, why would we have 4 frontpage deals about free food in the past two days? Not to mention the thousands of other posts that we dont see a cent from :P

That assumption is getting old because its wrong and easily proven so. Stop making us sound like we're just greedy overlords....we may be evil overlords, but we're certainly not greedy and we're certainly not just in it for the money - we're about sharing the best deals. Keep saying otherwise and you'll get the :whip:

and then a few more:

:bonk: and :whip: and :numchuck: and :bash: and :smack:

and one more :whip: for good measure :P








p.s. totally not evil overlords... i promise we're angel overlords.. :angel_not:

Off-topic derailment here, but....

Since you said it: why does everyone think that we make policy that's motivated by making money. If that were true, why would we have 4 frontpage deals about free food in the past two days? Not to mention the thousands of other posts that we dont see a cent from :P

This is a deals site, how can it not be about making money - or at least retaining it? The whole point is to draw people here, placing very few restrictions on them while they're here, and hope that in their 24 hour day they'll purchase something. SD is like an all-inclusive resort on the interweb. It's got most everything a person needs to stay here without feeling a need to drift to another site.

It's neither angelic nor demonic. It's just good business sense, imo.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

.....this ought to be good....I had better duck down to get out of the line of fire....I wouldn't want to block any sniper fire....

No need to duck if you know how to control the Matrix!

:matrix:

I don't have the count but many if not most states do NOT require permits. Permits are required for concealed carry...about 48 states have some level of that.

All states use the "quick purchase eligibility check" by the feds, sorry not the exact right name for it but it's a quick check to be sure you are allowed to buy firearms.

By the way if anybody reading this is NOT anti-gun like the post starter seems to be please JOIN THE NRA NOW to help protect our gun rights. Go in via some sites like Midway and you can join for $25 per year.

**What is the process for purchasing a firearm in California?
All firearms purchases and transfers, including private party transactions and sales at gun shows, must be made through a licensed dealer under the Dealer Record of Sale (DROS) process. California imposes a 10-day waiting period before a firearm can be released to a buyer or transferee. A person must be at least 18 years of age to purchase a rifle or shotgun. To buy a handgun, a person must be at least 21 years of age, and either 1) possess an HSC plus successfully complete a safety demonstration with the handgun being purchased or 2) qualify for an HSC exemption.

Off-topic derailment here, but....

Since you said it: why does everyone think that we make policy that's motivated by making money. If that were true, why would we have 4 frontpage deals about free food in the past two days? Not to mention the thousands of other posts that we dont see a cent from :P

To get more people to sign up and get more money.

That assumption is getting old because its wrong and easily proven so. Stop making us sound like we're just greedy overlords....we may be evil overlords, but we're certainly not greedy and we're certainly not just in it for the money - we're about sharing the best deals. Keep saying otherwise and you'll get the :whip:

and then a few more:

:bonk: and :whip: and :numchuck: and :bash: and :smack:

and one more :whip: for good measure :P

please.. I know how it works.

To get more people to sign up and get more money.



please.. I know how it works.
As if we got more money for people signing up. You do realize that we actually hide some advertisements for people who are logged in. In fact, because we hide those ads, i would say that act of registering would make us less money. :)

What do we have to gain monetarily from people signing up? Its more useful to us to know who's on the site so that moderating is easier and so that we can limit abuse. We never send spam to our users and... the only "unsolicited" mail you'll ever receive from us is a happy birthday email. :P

Frankly, if we're as bad as you think we are i would've just simply banned you and deleted your posts. It certainly would have be easier than trying to elaborate the truth and combat your incorrect assumptions and inferences. Don't confuse us for our competition, where they let companies pay for stickies or where ads are mixed in with their frontpage deals, or where they send ads out to people's emails. We don't do that.

If you're so well versed and all-knowing about how we operate and the reasons for the things we do, why don't you prove me wrong with some substantiated facts. I'd be happy to hear and respond to them.

Don't get me wrong, we do have to pay the bills to keep us running, but we never do it at the expense of our integrity or at the expense of our users, because frankly we know that trust is the key to our success. ;)

p.s. totally not evil overlords... i promise we're angel overlords.. :angel_not:
Speak for yourself. I'm evil.


Evil spelled backwards is 'live', and we all want to do that now, don't we? :scratch:

I don't see any gun deals on the front page, so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

There's nothing wrong with gun deals being posted here, I'd love to see more.
Comparing guns to porn, gambling sites, & pills isn't exactly a fair comparison. As far as porn goes, I personally wouldn't have a problem seeing those deals posted here, but I understand why they are not allowed. This is a family oriented site and you wouldn't want a young person seeing that suff if they came here looking for a deal on a computer, Ipod, MP3 player, etc. I don't see how a gun deal is something that could be offensive or damaging to kids, many families participate in the shooting sports as a fun and safe (yes, I said safe) family past time.
Gambling sites, pill ads, & even porn sites can often be questionable sites (viruses, spyware, scams), so those certainly shouldn't be allowed.

There are no major online networks (Google, Yahoo, MSN etc) that allow firearm advertising.
If that's true we need to contact them to change that policy. Guns aren't evil, there are just evil people that use them sometimes.

7) Self promotion. @Raddish. It's great that SD works hard to avoid self promoters. That being said, it's crazy big business and happening right now, I promise. SD accounts with a post count of ~1000 quality posts goes for $50 or more in plenty of places online. Affiliate marketers and site owners employ people full-time to post in forums as a way to generate traffic. The dumb ones get spotted easily and removed. The smart ones, in the case of SD, are posting good offers, so I personally don't care.... just so long as my $10 DVD player shows up. I'm the schmuck that rents guns went I shoot, so I'm not really down with what an SD is on rifles. It seems to me that "AK's now in stock" is not much of a deal unless it's at goodwill.com.

$50? Really? :scratchh:
:nono2: Not enough, I've worked hard to (hopefully) become a somewhat reputable member here and I wouldn't sell that.

This is a deals site, how can it not be about making money - or at least retaining it? The whole point is to draw people here, placing very few restrictions on them while they're here, and hope that in their 24 hour day they'll purchase something. SD is like an all-inclusive resort on the interweb. It's got most everything a person needs to stay here without feeling a need to drift to another site.

It's neither angelic nor demonic. It's just good business sense, imo.

We want to be the best deal site period. We're not going to deny that. :)

To get more people to sign up and get more money.



please.. I know how it works.
The point is that, we make a lot of decisions based on what is best for SD and the community, not on revenue stream as you inferred. If revenue comes along with it, great. If there's no revenue, it does not mean that we will nix the ideas just because of it. Money never crossed our minds when we decide on whether to allow cross posting or not.

To give you some examples, freebies doesn't have a big revenue stream as you pointed out but it doesn't mean that we shove it to the back of the short bus either. The same can be said for the other forums such as The Lounge, The Podium, Drugstore etc. It's not easy moderating those areas so we have dedicated mods for these sections. If you compare to the other big deal site, they nixed it because it was too difficult to moderate.

Cross posting creates it's own issues. I think having mirrored threads would be a much better solution. Maybe we'll have some time to implement it soon.

Back on topic.. For gun deals, we're allowing it now because a lot of SD'ers want it and we try to cater to the community. Porn and adult toys is where we draw the line though. :) It's important to note that due to the controversy surrounding such deals, we do not purposely put them on our frontpage deal listings. The hot topics section is all user controlled. If it appears there, it means the users want it there.

The best solution for it is what BackAgain suggested with the category filters. We'll have to work on that.

I don't have the count but many if not most states do NOT require permits. Permits are required for concealed carry...about 48 states have some level of that.

All states use the "quick purchase eligibility check" by the feds, sorry not the exact right name for it but it's a quick check to be sure you are allowed to buy firearms.

By the way if anybody reading this is NOT anti-gun like the post starter seems to be please JOIN THE NRA NOW to help protect our gun rights. Go in via some sites like Midway and you can join for $25 per year.

AHHH yes that's what i meant. I was thinking of concealed carry. Thank you for clearing it up.

We want to be the best deal site period. We're not going to deny that.

When is that all-inclusive sports arena going to get built, eh? :wink5:

:wave:

Adult items also put slickdeals on the "no go" list at many work places. If it didn't do that, they might let them show up still.

So, I realize I am gonna get my a$$ handed to me on this one, but there is NO WAY that a deal about a weapon should be on the front page of slickdeals.

There have been several today and a I would hate to think that this is the start of something we're always going to see. Politics aside, weapons that require a license almost always have significant restrictions on the ways they can be advertised. Just like Porn. Just like Gambling. Just like Pills.


These restrictions mean that it can be very hard to find a way to advertise online if you are selling these items, no matter what your willing to pay. Based on what I have seen today, it looks as if there are a couple of online Gun stores that have found Slickdeals.


I could be totally off base, but after reading through the offers, I get the impression that they are being placed by self-promoters.I have no problem with self promotion... sometimes the deals are good and we save money. When they are no good, the OP gets torn a new one and we all get to have a laugh at their expense ;)


Just like with Porn, Pills and Gambling, there are a good number of people that find Guns objectionable. Just like with Porn, Pills and Gambling, I don't want to see Guns on the front page.Can you imagine if slickdeals came out and said that it would be cool to post great deals about porn sites? Forget whether your find porn objectionable, think about how many posts would start flooding in?

The reason so much of your spam is made up of porn offers is not because it's cheap advertising.... spamming on the scale needed to be successful is expensive. Porn is in your inbox because they are so massively restricted everywhere else they want to advertise. I'm gonna shut up now and leave leave you with this:
1) If a weapon requires you to have a license, DO NOT allow it on the front page (Frontpage Deal, Hot Topics or Up & Coming).

2) Realize that if gun resellers and their affiliates figure out what slickdeals is all about...get ready for some serious spamming.

Thanks for reading this..... and let the a$$ handing begin!!

It seems like everyone has touched on every rational, legitimate reason to has a firearm be a front page deal @ SD. And I'm going to try and be as nice as possible here but I have I few problems.

First you have to get a bit of my background before it will make any sense. I grew up in a city where left-wing radicals have taken over and a city that has some of the most crazy gun laws... and firearms have been passed down in my family since god knows when, and yes I'm an evil hunter, but I prefer shooting trap & skeet.
If you didn't already guess, the City was Berkeley CA. If Berkeley taught me one thing, it was that in takes all kinds of people to make up this crazy world. I also spent summers in rural Way-northern CA, where hunting and fishing were done B/c you didn't have food otherwise. But I am getting off topic, the point is that you are no different (and just as pretentious) as the Ultra Left-wing crap that I was bombarded with/ surrounded by/ and was constantly annoyed by, the entire 17 years I lived in Berkeley.

Now for gun on the front page issue, and the repeated attempts to try and relate Porn, Pills and Gambling, to firearms...:shake: I believe all of those vices are legal, so whats the issue? Do you have some moral problem with guns in general? or do porn/pills/Gambling have the same quantitative mass of immorality?


1st off, like everyone informed you, that it is only in certain areas require PERMITS (I could hardly call the 25 point, ridiculously easy, "CA handgun safety test" that was required for me to buy my latest 9mm. I asked the guy selling me the gun if anyone had ever failed the test, he said 2 people. 1guy who could read English and the other was a cranked out crazy lady.
Point being these "license" or permits and just another was for the government to take ANOTHER $25 right out of your pocket, on top of all the fees.

2nd off- When did pills become the devils tool? It is as if you could just switch the 2 words out for one-another.
Heads up, there is nothing wrong with what you call "pills". The are actually invented to help one psychological and physical problems .

Now please play close attention to the underlined word... Problems Problems that can be fixed completely or at least made easier on the individual. So we've learned that pills can be very good if used correctly, but can also be abused and mistreated (wow, sounds shockingly similar to Firearms... If you're not educating your child, from a young age, about Gun safety, How it works, how deadly they can be, and they are not a toy, then in my eye's you are doing a disservice to your child. You then have a child that respects the power of a firearm, and knows gun safety when you teach from a young age. I think it should be taught in school, they already had sex ed, why not learn how to handle and respect a firearm properly. I've found that way less gun accidents occur when the children know firearm safety.

And please don't go pi$$ing on the 2nd amendment, it was put there for a reason, and it's still there for a reason. This country, especially in the West, where guns where the tools used.

Look, if a criminal wants a gun, does he go to the gun store??? The answer is almost always "no". So they make it harder for individuals who want to buy a gun legally and I'm sure the criminals are just laughing, b/c we are taking guns away/ making it harder to obtain one/ more exspensive ammo, etc. And now they have an calming sensation as they rob you house, knowing damn well you were trying to go through legitimate route to obtain a gun the a criminal buys off the street, DO YOU SEE THE RIDICULOUSNESS????


All I want to say as my final words is that people are afraid of what the don't understand...

I think I was misunderstood. To clarify, the more people that are attracted to the site, the more people will click through the slickdeal affiliate links when they make a purchase. I used to be a paid employee and responsible for finding and posting all of the front page deals at another dealsite (www.dealofday.com) back in the late nineties, so I do have some concept of how the revenue is generated.

Why would anyone think that firearms are something that should be an 18+ area like A&E? I was given my first gun when I was 12, my daughter is 4 and owns a firearm (that she'll be allowed to handle when she's old enough) and there is nothing vulgar about them. If anything, put your "murderous intent" thoughts out of your head and make them a piece of equipment used strictly for sporting events that can and have been used for more sinister purposes, just like your uncle vinnie's baseball bat has been used for more than baseball, just like his tire iron has been used for more than changing tires. I enjoy shooting on a strictly hobby basis, I keep *most* of my guns locked up, except for the ones I carry on a daily basis for self defense, and have no intent of using unless my life or the life of another is in danger.

Guns aren't vulgar. Post gun deals under "Sporting Goods" in your mind and put any other thoughts out of your head. There are plenty of other things posted on the front page that could be used to kill someone, so why remove only guns?

my daughter is 4 and owns a firearm (that she'll be allowed to handle when she's old enough)

If she's not allowed to handle it, why does she "own" one? How old is "old enough?"

Well I am from Canada so I guess right off the bat I am going to have a different opinion than most members here. lol
First off, I have to admit that when I log in here, I do not go to the front page. I go directly to the freebie forums. However today I logged onto the home page looking to see if Slick Deals had a certain thing here. I did not notice anything about guns on the front page. However I don't think guns should be posted on the front page regardless of how good a deal it is. I do not come here to buy a gun and would not consider it and that is a way of promoting guns whether intentional or not! I come here for freebies. Not violence. And I don't care if a member things it is not as bad as posting porno or not. lol And I don't care what the argument. It should not be on the front page. END OF STORY.
Also I do not care about how many states require a permit! That is not the point.

If she's not allowed to handle it, why does she "own" one? How old is "old enough?"
That's a silly question. She "owns" one so that when she's old enough to handle it she will have one. I bought my 1.5 yr old son a set of little golf clubs but he's not allowed to handle them yet because he drops them on his face. I anticipate he'll be old enough to handle them some day.

Another ambiguous question. Somebody's old enough when their old enough. How old is "old enough" to have sex? Some kids still aren't "old enough" to drive when they turn 16.

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However I don't think guns should be posted on the front page regardless of how good a deal it is. I do not come here to buy a gun and would not consider it and that is a way of promoting guns whether intentional or not! I come here for freebies. Not violence. And I don't care if a member things it is not as bad as posting porno or not. lol And I don't care what the argument. It should not be on the front page. END OF STORY.
Also I do not care about how many states require a permit! That is not the point...


"I don't come here to buy Canadian flags, therefore I do not think they should be posted on the front page regardless of how good the deal is. I didn't come here to buy Canadian flags and would not consider it and that is a way of promoting Canada whether intentional or not! I come here for good deals, not arrogance. And I don't care if you think it's not as bad as posting porno or not, rofl. Canadian flags should not be on the front page. END OF STORY. And I don't care whether we require passports or not. That is not the point..."

Doesn't my rant sound silly? Telling a private organization that they "shouldn't" post Canadian flag deals on their website? Do you also like how I equated Canadian flags with arrogance? Those terms aren't exclusively paired, although my personal view holds them as synonymous?

If you don't want to buy a gun, don't read the thread. If the issue is important enough for you to boycott slickdeals, then please boycott. Whatever.

Seriously, though, don't get me started on pills. A large majority of us owe our lives to modern medicine, most commonly in the form of a pill. I don't care whether you take a daily pill or not, sulfa and penicillin saved your life a long time ago.

If you don't want pills, don't take pills. Don't see a doctor who will prescribe pills. (just don't expect insurance or the gov't to pay for your acupuncture because it isn't evidence-based).

How's that for mixing rants and topics?

Well I am from Canada so I guess right off the bat I am going to have a different opinion than most members here. lol
First off, I have to admit that when I log in here, I do not go to the front page. I go directly to the freebie forums. However today I logged onto the home page looking to see if Slick Deals had a certain thing here. I did not notice anything about guns on the front page. However I don't think guns should be posted on the front page regardless of how good a deal it is. I do not come here to buy a gun and would not consider it and that is a way of promoting guns whether intentional or not! I come here for freebies. Not violence. And I don't care if a member things it is not as bad as posting porno or not. lol And I don't care what the argument. It should not be on the front page. END OF STORY.
Also I do not care about how many states require a permit! That is not the point.

That comment promotes a common uninformed misconception about firearms. Just because someone owns a gun doesn't mean they are a violent person or they plan on using the gun for violence. Most guns used in crimes are obtained illegally, and any deals posted here require going through proper legal channels to purchase.
Also, please research into the shooting sports. Not just hunting, but competative shooting. You'll see that there are many uses for firearms that are not violent. There are even shooting sports in the Olympics (skeet, trap, target).

7) Self promotion. @Raddish. It's great that SD works hard to avoid self promoters. That being said, it's crazy big business and happening right now, I promise. SD accounts with a post count of ~1000 quality posts goes for $50 or more in plenty of places online. Affiliate marketers and site owners employ people full-time to post in forums as a way to generate traffic. The dumb ones get spotted easily and removed. The smart ones, in the case of SD, are posting good offers, so I personally don't care.... just so long as my $10 DVD player shows up. I'm the schmuck that rents guns went I shoot, so I'm not really down with what an SD is on rifles. It seems to me that "AK's now in stock" is not much of a deal unless it's at goodwill.com.

Off topic.... Have the moderators been informed of sites that sell SD accounts? I think that the mods should know so that they can proactively ban any accounts that have been sold or in the market to be sold. Or at least monitor such accounts for suspicious spam activity.

I'm sorry if I haven't read every post, I will later but I've really been affected by this sudden gun show on my favorite site of all time. It just makes sick to see all the guns and ammos. I don't care about polictics, spam or if they are deals or not. It just makes it seem like less of a fun place to hang out when you hear of all the mass shootings and loopholes out there for criminals or sickos. I don't know about the legalities but it's certainly an emotional issue on both sides. There is a huge black market going south with gun runners to the mexican drug cartel. I'd hate to think SD would be involved in any way with just one deadly deal. Seems to me a poll is in order, I didn't know about this section until I wrote a moderator.

Your suggestion basically amounts to the automatic censorship of deals. The idea of censoring our user's deals as a policy would mean that not only is slickdeals creating a policy that is politically motivated, but is also censoring users and depriving other users of the chance to get a information on a deal or product they may have interest in.

how about the obama deals? because it sires political discussion and flaming? gun deals are an issue (i've actually seen other protests on gun deals) the same way obama deals create discussion.

op, i think these deals get through because they do not merit thumbs down as much as obama deals do. so if you oppose these gun deals, please thumbs down them the same way obama and catholicism haters abuse the rating system. only then can your protest be heard.

im really indifferent about gun deals. i don't care if they're aplenty. there's the ignore button. but what i don't like is the inconsistency. they deem political and religious deals as inappropriate due to the non-deal related discussion. if they can post gun deals, then let the religious and political deals be.

and i thought sd was supposed to be a PG website?

just my two cents.

and i thought sd was supposed to be a PG website?


What made you think that? The graphics have to be PG rated, but the content of the posts is actually allowed to be what you'd find on late-night television, soft-R. The two hardly go hand in hand because you wouldn't see Barney the dinosaur talking about lubing his girlfriend up or her using peppermint tabs to enhance lip service on him, so it's easy for people to get confused about what is and isn't allowed here. The only reason more pornographic pics aren't allowed is because some companies block that kind of thing which would mean that SD would be blocked as well. This site isn't about family, it's about being on as many screens as possible.

Only handguns require a permit for purchase.

Wrong. Only a couple states require a permit for purchase.

I'm sorry if I haven't read every post, I will later but I've really been affected by this sudden gun show on my favorite site of all time. It just makes sick to see all the guns and ammos. I don't care about polictics, spam or if they are deals or not. It just makes it seem like less of a fun place to hang out when you hear of all the mass shootings and loopholes out there for criminals or sickos. I don't know about the legalities but it's certainly an emotional issue on both sides. There is a huge black market going south with gun runners to the mexican drug cartel. I'd hate to think SD would be involved in any way with just one deadly deal. Seems to me a poll is in order, I didn't know about this section until I wrote a moderator.
I think you need to look into some treatment for your serious case of Hoplophobia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplophobia)

There may be a huge black market for drug cartels but I can assure you, automatic weaponry, grenades, grenade launchers, and other such restricted weapons are not available for purchase at your neighborhood gun store. You are misinformed.

I think you need to look into some treatment for your serious case of Hoplophobia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplophobia)

There may be a huge black market for drug cartels but I can assure you, automatic weaponry, grenades, grenade launchers, and other such restricted weapons are not available for purchase at your neighborhood gun store. You are misinformed.
LOL, I don't have hoplophobia. I come from a hunting and fishing family. I've had my share of hunting trips but I was a poor shot. Mostly self defense when a buck charged throught the brush in my direction. I also bagged a deer during superbowl halftime show. Just opened my back door and dropped a 3pt buck dressed in my bathrobe.

I joined Slickdeals in 2003 and don't remember ever seeing gun-centric deals until this year. It has been an issue with me and I knew it had to be with others also. Today, I came to the "Site Issues and Suggestions" section to ask how to totally block out these specific deals from my Slickdeal homepage. I was glad that I found this thread and to see I'm not the only one concerned about this same issue. Lately, I have been using the "Ignore this Thread" function which is helpful. Unfortunately, I am not able to block the gun related carp from the Frontpage's "Up and Coming Topics', and "Hot Topics" section.

Please Slickdeals, create something opposite the Deal Alert that can block out unwanted threads from ones computer. I know there is the "Ignore Thread" feature, but you have to apply that to each posting separately, and it doesn't work on the frontpage. There must be a more quick and efficient way to block a keyword-type setting available to users that need it. Thanks everyone for your interest.

I don't have the count but many if not most states do NOT require permits. Permits are required for concealed carry...about 48 states have some level of that.

All states use the "quick purchase eligibility check" by the feds, sorry not the exact right name for it but it's a quick check to be sure you are allowed to buy firearms.

By the way if anybody reading this is NOT anti-gun like the post starter seems to be please JOIN THE NRA NOW to help protect our gun rights. Go in via some sites like Midway and you can join for $25 per year.

http://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/

I'm honestly a little surprised that there's a policy preventing gun deals from being real front-page deals. I certainly don't think they should be removed from Hot and Up & Coming Deals as well.

Guns are perfectly valid deals just like any other product. If you don't like it then maybe you should leave slickdeals and not come back. There are tons of deals for clothes and shoes that I don't ever click on, but you don't see me on here whining to get them banned.

Guns are perfectly valid deals just like any other product. If you don't like it then maybe you should leave slickdeals and not come back. There are tons of deals for clothes and shoes that I don't ever click on, but you don't see me on here whining to get them banned.

Probably because clothes and shoes don't shoot people.

That comment promotes a common uninformed misconception about firearms. Just because someone owns a gun doesn't mean they are a violent person or they plan on using the gun for violence.
Certainly you must agree that someone who owns a gun is more likely to commit a violent act with a gun than someone who does not own a gun. Plus, there are lots of people that are ill-advised and uneducated on weaponry. If you cannot trust yourself or your children to handle weaponry without proper education and safeguards, why do you trust a stranger whose education is a mystery? I know I don't trust anyone with weapons, unless I know who they are and what they know about weapons. Then again, I've read a large chunk of the articles on the Darwin Awards (http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/)

Most guns used in crimes are obtained illegally, and any deals posted here require going through proper legal channels to purchase.
And, frequently, most guns that are obtained illegally are obtained through people who obtained the guns legally. There are laws preventing ex-cons from living in households where guns are registered for this specific reason (Moreover, in Illinois, recent laws prevent Ex-Cons from living in households where large and/or vicious dogs live). The rapid proliferation of legal weaponry does not suppress the rapid proliferation of illegal weaponry and, in many cases, can aid in it as people who shouldn't have a gun can steal it from known sources.

Not to mention back-alley deals that occur between licensed resellers and those who want to purchase them illegally.

I find it hard to imagine someone wanting to use a gun for illegal purposes would scour SlickDeals looking for the best price.

Probably because clothes and shoes don't shoot people.

That's funny, because I can't remember ever hearing of a gun that could load itself, aim itself at someone and pull its own trigger...

That's funny, because I can't remember ever hearing of a gun that could load itself, aim itself at someone and pull its own trigger...

You have to admit, that would be freakin sweet.

I find it hard to imagine someone wanting to use a gun for illegal purposes would scour SlickDeals looking for the best price.

I don't think that the distaste for guns is solely based on illegal use of them. Rather, I think it's based on the inherent danger associated with a firearm. For instance, there's the oft-cited stat that households that own a weapon are more likely to shoot family members than intruders. Not to mention, guns are more likely to kill your children than poison or electrical shocks (http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/healthy/safety/kids-family/228.html).

There's also the fear that other people who have firearms may be too inept and/or inexperienced to handle the weapon properly. While people may preach the importance of gun safety, there's no aptitude test given to potential gun owners to determine whether they know enough about their new gun to use it appropriately. This, of course, leads me to wonder how many people who have guns respect their power, or take it for granted.
From Washington University: (http://uwnews.org/article.asp?articleID=1911)

Gun storage:

* More than half the patients with guns reported storing them unlocked.
* One in four patients with a gun reported a loaded and unlocked gun in the house.
* One in five families with guns and children reported a loaded and unlocked gun in the house.

Gun safety training:

* More than half of families with children had not talked to their kids about gun safety.
* Two-thirds of families with children and guns have talked to their kids about gun safety.
* Two-thirds of patients with a gun in the house have had safety training; the other third have not.

An estimated 35 percent to 50 percent of all homes in the United States have firearms, accounting for an estimated 200 million privately owned firearms. Thirty-five percent of homes with children have guns. In these homes, 43 percent of the guns are unlocked, 14 percent are loaded, and 9 percent are both loaded and unlocked.

The risk of domestic homicide is three times greater if a gun is present in the home and the risk of suicide is five times greater. A gun kept for protection is 22 times more likely to kill someone the owner knows than to kill someone else in self-defense.


These stats lead to an unease, at least in myself, about how safe legally purchased firearms are.

That's funny, because I can't remember ever hearing of a gun that could load itself, aim itself at someone and pull its own trigger...
Correct, it requires people to purchase them, load them, point them and shoot them. Cheap weapons are attractive and easily obtainable.

Political Correctness is Neo-Tolerant Fascism or Tolerance with like minded individuals, and persecution of those who think differently.

Amen brother...

No, clothes and shoes don't kill people... However artery clogging calorie laden fast food, liquor and tobacco does. There are "deals" here and there for those items. Do we need to ban/censor those also?

I am quite surprised to see that there are many here that are so "scared" or "sickened" by seeing gun deals posted. Can no-one these days ignore what they do not want to read? Or is the "I know what is right for me, therefore it is right for you" attitude getting worse?

The gun politics in posts is what really annoys me. I am very liberal in my politics, but also a proud assault rifle and handgun owner, and to read all the liberal bashing,anti Obama rhetoric is really offensive. However, you have every right to your opinion, and it is very easy (for me) to ignore.

Bottom line, there will always be something you don't agree with, don't want to see, whatever... Isn't there an old adage about changing the channel or something?

... households that own a weapon are more likely to shoot family members than intruders. ...

I'm sure that households that own tablesaws are statistically more liable to have members that are missing thumbs too.

Responsibility, respect and common sense for your tools (guns are tools, right?) goes without saying

It makes me sick reading all these posts from these overly-emotional logic-lacking individuals who have a complete and utter ignorance to the second amendment or the constitution as a whole. Hunting and/or self defense are secondary goals of the 2nd amendment, it's about defending the constitution against a tyrannical government. I've never been so thankful to have the second amendment as I have during the Bush and Obama administrations - basically no difference, both working to restrict and infringe on our rights (many of which you anti-gunners hold very dear to your heart, as do I).

I hope to god harm never comes to you because you refused to adequately protect yourself during the 3-5 minutes it took the officer to respond to your call. There is absolutely NO way to overcome that time delay, now is there? Come on, what's the anti-gun solution to the 300lbs. bad guy attacking my 105lbs. girlfriend? There isn't one. That's why she owns a 9mm Sig Sauer and trains with it regularly.

People always blame the government, the police, whoever, for letting violence come to them. That's your fault, not your governments, not mine. I take responsibility for the protection of myself and my loved ones.

Probably because clothes and shoes don't shoot people.

Why is this always a point? Just as clothes don't button themselves, guns don't pull the trigger by themselves


Certainly you must agree that someone who owns a gun is more likely to commit a violent act with a gun than someone who does not own a gun.


This is a true statement if you are willing to agree that someone that owns angel hair pasta and a jar of marinara sauce is more likely to make spaghetti than someone who does not have those items


And, frequently, most guns that are obtained illegally are obtained through people who obtained the guns legally.

Finally a worthwhile statement. Statistics do prove that criminals steal a great deal of handguns from law abiding citizens. But who is penalized from carry a handgun? Law abiding citizens. Criminals already have no regard for the law and they already violate the laws present. For instance, I run down the high school track at night. In PA, it is unlawful to carry a handgun on school grounds at any time even if one has a legally obtained permit. Good thing the criminal knows that as I am sure he will abide by that law too. Now mind you, I don't violate that law, it is a mere example. And before someone says it, no I can't run in the day and why would I change my way of life because of criminals violating the law?

Amen brother...
Odd that someone would relate an inherently left-wing ideal (Political Correctness) with a right-wing political ideology (Fascism). Any ideal that forces people to claim fealty or risk expulsion (or worse) can be considered exactly the same. The most prominent example? Religion. To a lesser degree: Political ideologies, workplace mentalities, Monarchies, among other examples.

Bottom line, there will always be something you don't agree with, don't want to see, whatever... Isn't there an old adage about changing the channel or something?
Unless, of course, you want to exercise your First Amendment rights of freedom of speech. Someone is allowed to use their first amendment right to express their dislike with the second amendment. don't you agree?

Unless, of course, you want to exercise your First Amendment rights of freedom of speech. Someone is allowed to use their first amendment right to express their dislike with the second amendment. don't you agree?
Certainly, but only to the point that it doesn't interfere with my first amendment right to post gun deals on SD (barring Mr. SD making that decision, of course. Property rights come into play, and these are his servers).

Why is this always a point? Just as clothes don't button themselves, guns don't pull the trigger by themselves
Yes, but guns are inherently dangerous devices, unlike shoes and clothing. Their only purpose is to inflict damage upon a target. Intimidation with a weapon is only secondary and the intimidation is caused by the potential for a weapon to inflict damage. To ignore the power of a weapon is to take it for granted.

This is a true statement if you are willing to agree that someone that owns angel hair pasta and a jar of marinara sauce is more likely to make spaghetti than someone who does not have those items
Agreement with this statement leads to the next: The proliferation of firearms will only INCREASE the potential for violent acts to be committed. If only those who own weapons can commit violent acts with those weapons, certainly the chance of a violent act being committed can only INCREASE as the amount of individuals owning weapons weapons INCREASES (or the amount of weapons INCREASES). Also, remember: Every criminal out there was, at some point in time, a "law-abiding citizen".

Finally a worthwhile statement. Statistics do prove that criminals steal a great deal of handguns from law abiding citizens. But who is penalized from carry a handgun? Law abiding citizens.
How are law abiding citizens penalized for carrying handguns? How are criminals NOT penalized for carrying handguns? Near as I can tell, you read more about people illegally carrying handguns being penalized than vice versa. Moreover, you don't hear about law-abiding citizens being penalized for owning weapons. Rather, you see people who were law-abiding citizens being penalized for breaking the law (taking weapons where they shouldn't be, carrying them where they shouldn't, etc)

Criminals already have no regard for the law and they already violate the laws present.
But, this doesn't mean that they aren't busted for violating the laws. If you read the rap sheets of many chronic criminals, you'll see that (among other infractions) illegal gun possession is a very common charge.

For instance, I run down the high school track at night. In PA, it is unlawful to carry a handgun on school grounds at any time even if one has a legally obtained permit. Good thing the criminal knows that as I am sure he will abide by that law too. Now mind you, I don't violate that law, it is a mere example. And before someone says it, no I can't run in the day and why would I change my way of life because of criminals violating the law?
You have to run a risk assessment. If you feel that the risk of being mugged/shot on the grounds of a high school is low enough, then, by all means run. My guess is that you view the risk of running the track of that high school to be suitably low (especially if you're far enough from downtown Pittsburgh).

However, one has to be practical. When I lived on the south side of Chicago (near Midway), I'd do whatever I wanted, whenever around my neighborhood, as I judged the risk to suitably small. But, once I traveled east of Pulaski, I found myself less and less likely to do anything in that neighborhood. I judged the risk to be too great to myself.

To blatantly ignore the risk associated with a certain area is to be willfully ignorant of the repercussions of your actions.

Certainly, but only to the point that it doesn't interfere with my first amendment right to post gun deals on SD (barring Mr. SD making that decision, of course. Property rights come into play, and these are his servers).

But, barring someone from making their opinion stated and appealing to Mr. SD to remove gun deals would be a violation of their first amendment rights.

...Unless, of course, you want to exercise your First Amendment rights of freedom of speech. Someone is allowed to use their first amendment right to express their dislike with the second amendment. don't you agree?

Picking and choosing on quoting me there, eh?

I wholeheartedly agree with you. You do have a right to your opinion!

Picking and choosing on quoting me there, eh?

I wholeheartedly agree with you. You do have a right to your opinion!

Good.

Responsibility, respect and common sense for your tools (guns are tools, right?) goes without saying

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to go without saying, considering the astonishing amount of people that keep their weapons loaded and unlocked in their house with children. That's the problem. A lot of people DON'T know how to use weapons, care for them, store them, safeguard them, etc.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to go without saying, considering the astonishing amount of people that keep their weapons loaded and unlocked in their house with children. That's the problem. A lot of people DON'T know how to use weapons, care for them, store them, safeguard them, etc.

A lot of people don't know how to drive either.

Yes, it does go without saying. Gun ownership is very high in the area I live. I can't remember the last time I read in the paper or saw in the news anything about an accidental shooting locally. Granted, I don't live in a high density urban area, and this may have something to do with that.

You can't legislate common sense...

A lot of people don't know how to drive either.
At least a test is administered and driving lessons are required in many states. Meanwhile, driving accidents account for some 40,000 deaths. So, you can definitely see that an ignorance of the road and a cavalier attitude can be fatal in something that requires a lot of attention and precautions for safety.

Yes, it does go without saying. Gun ownership is very high in the area I live. I can't remember the last time I read in the paper or saw in the news anything about an accidental shooting locally. Granted, I don't live in a high density urban area, and this may have something to do with that.

You can't legislate common sense...

To believe that gun safety is "common sense" is to ignore all the facts and statistics that suggest that people don't know very much about handling their weapon.

At least a test is administered and driving lessons are required in many states. Meanwhile, driving accidents account for some 40,000 deaths. So, you can definitely see that an ignorance of the road and a cavalier attitude can be fatal in something that requires a lot of attention and precautions for safety.



To believe that gun safety is "common sense" is to ignore all the facts and statistics that suggest that people don't know very much about handling their weapon.

Well, we are gonna have to agree to disagree. This has been fun. Thanks!

Off to pick up my Sig p226 that came in today :)

Why can't Slickdeals provide a keyword block function in the User CP settings that can block unwanted deals from showing up an individuals browser? There is no need to ban anything, just let the each user have the ability to block what they find offensive. It could be drugs, porn, guns, etc. etc. I know there is the ignore function, but that does not work on the frontpage. Please allow us a way to do this.

Probably because clothes and shoes don't shoot people.
Guns don't shoot people either.

Certainly you must agree that someone who owns a gun is more likely to commit a violent act with a gun than someone who does not own a gun.
What? Link? Proof?

And, frequently, most guns that are obtained illegally are obtained through people who obtained the guns legally.
Well no kidding, all guns manufactured legally started "legally".

There are laws preventing ex-cons from living in households where guns are registered for this specific reason (Moreover, in Illinois, recent laws prevent Ex-Cons from living in households where large and/or vicious dogs live). The rapid proliferation of legal weaponry does not suppress the rapid proliferation of illegal weaponry and, in many cases, can aid in it as people who shouldn't have a gun can steal it from known sources.
People abuse cars too, should we prevent people from owning them because they are misused as well?

Not to mention back-alley deals that occur between licensed resellers and those who want to purchase them illegally.
WTF are you talking about? This rarely happens and dealers that do go to jail for a long, long time. They are pretty easy to track if used in a crime as well.

Take it to the podium in one of the many gun debate threads if you would like to continue posting baseless information.

Guns don't shoot people either.
What do guns do, then? Last I checked, Guns use a spring loaded pin to set off a charge that propels a projectile through a cylindrical chamber in a straight line. Or, in other words, "shoots".

What? Link? Proof?
I'm not sure what kind of proof you're looking for that comes to the conclusion that "guns are required for gun related violence". It's a thought exercise, prompting someone to come to a logical conclusion. How do you suppose someone who does not have a gun will commit a violent act involving a gun?

People abuse cars too, should we prevent people from owning them because they are misused as well?
We should certainly prevent them from driving. Why should someone who chronically violates the rules of the road be allowed to drive?

WTF are you talking about? This rarely happens and dealers that do go to jail for a long, long time. They are pretty easy to track if used in a crime as well.
What? Link? Proof?

(FYI) (http://www.google.com/search?q=convicted+arms+dealer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

Take it to the podium in one of the many gun debate threads if you would like to continue posting baseless information.
Hey, you started it.

What do guns do, then? Last I checked, Guns use a spring loaded pin to set off a charge that propels a projectile through a cylindrical chamber in a straight line. Or, in other words, "shoots".
gun (gn) n.
1. A weapon consisting of a metal tube from which a projectile is fired at high velocity into a relatively flat trajectory.

How can an inanimate object do any of what you claim it does? A gun is merely a tool. It can be used or misused. Just as any other object can.

Car related violence
Knife related violence
baseball bat related violence

I'm not sure what kind of proof you're looking for that comes to the conclusion that "guns are required for gun related violence". It's a thought exercise, prompting someone to come to a logical conclusion. How do you suppose someone who does not have a gun will commit a violent act involving a gun? That's some pretty circular reasoning right there. Guns are readily available illegally.


We should certainly prevent them from driving. Why should someone who chronically violates the rules of the road be allowed to drive?
Felons are already banned from using firearms. There are over 20,000 gun laws on the books now.

What? Link? Proof?

(FYI) (http://www.google.com/search?q=convicted+arms+dealer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)
http://www.google.com/search?q=gun%20dealer%20convicted&hl=en

Hey, you started it.
That may have worked when you were five but it doesn't cut it now.

Since the real debate seems to be posting of gun deals on this site, can you tell me how the guns deals posted here will only be used for illegal purposes?

Since the real debate seems to be posting of gun deals on this site, can you tell me how the guns deals posted here will only be used for illegal purposes?

That's not even the point tough. I believe that SlickDeals should be about finding a good price for something you want to buy, saving you money. If a anyone (for legal or illegal purposes) wants to buy a gun, not being able to find the best price is probably not going to stop them eventually, especially in the case of the criminal.

I don't believe that SlickDeals should be responsible for policing these things because some people feel very strongly in both directions. I personally know people that have died prematurely as a result of very unhealthy eating habits, but I don't try to get all fast food deals banned from SD. That just doesn't make sense, the same way I believe banning something like a gun deal doesn't make sense.

It didn't seem that the OP wanted the gun postings to be banned, but that they not be put on the front page. Also, if Slickdeals gave all of us the ability to block what we don't want to see, then this wouldn't prevent those who want gun deals from finding them. It just won't be visible to those who wish to block it from their browsing experience.

To the OP

This is America where we are free to think and do what we want within reason. I am tired of people like you, self proclaimed do gooders, dictating what I should or shouldn't see and telling me what is offensive or not.

Like the TV if you dont like what you're watching change the channel or turn it off.

Lumping guns in with porn is as ridiculas as me comparing crock pots to gambling. In fact owning guns is legal in every state in the union, however the items you lumped them in with are illegal in many states.

You're a typical left leaning limp wristed whining liberal who typically thinks they know whats best for everyone else and I'm tired of being dictated and lectured to by people like yourself.

I find you offensive, does that give me cause to ban your posts?

Your arguments are weak at best compare to the philosophy of both Lennon and Marx, both of which scare me more than posting a five dollar howitzer on the front page.

You have the right to say what you want because of guns or did you think the revolution was woodstock like?

Idiots like yourself keep me renewing my NRA membership every year, thanks for reminding me to renew mine again this year.

I don't know about this... I think there should be an official poll or something.

what's with all the anger over an intelligent discussion, just proves hot-heads shouldn't have guns. I know that was uncalled for but so is the name calling.

Another poster mentioned how expensive it is to own one of these assault rifles suggesting how that in itself restricts it's widespread use. Made me think of the dealers and cartels where money is not an issue.

Well I am from Canada so I guess right off the bat I am going to have a different opinion than most members here. lol
First off, I have to admit that when I log in here, I do not go to the front page. I go directly to the freebie forums. However today I logged onto the home page looking to see if Slick Deals had a certain thing here. I did not notice anything about guns on the front page. However I don't think guns should be posted on the front page regardless of how good a deal it is. I do not come here to buy a gun and would not consider it and that is a way of promoting guns whether intentional or not! I come here for freebies. Not violence. And I don't care if a member things it is not as bad as posting porno or not. lol And I don't care what the argument. It should not be on the front page. END OF STORY.
Also I do not care about how many states require a permit! That is not the point.

I dont come here to buy tampons, nore would I ever buy tampons, but I'm not asking SD to ban them either. If you come here for freebies then bookmark it and skip the homepage, no one is forcing you to click on the link. When the local newspaper decided to quit offering classifieds for selling rifles under sporting goods I quit buying the paper because you could still buy a junker car and kill more people on a tank of gas than you can with a box of bullets, yet they still advertise budget cars, many of which are cheaper than decent rifle.

You have to admit, that would be freakin sweet.
:iagree: Especially if that gun would load itself, aim itself at my computer screen, and blow a gaping hole in my laptop every time somebody bumps this thread.

You have to admit, that would be freakin sweet.

Not all the time, but unfortunately it does happen. http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/10/accidental_machine_gun_death_o.html

Yep, guess guns are here to stay along with meteor strikes. It would be nice if Slickdeals gave each one of us an option to block what we don't like, such as televisions with v-chips.

I'm sorry what?
Not all the time, but unfortunately it does happen. http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/10/accidental_machine_gun_death_o.html

Yep, guess guns are here to stay along with meteor strikes. It would be nice if Slickdeals gave each one of us an option to block what we don't like, such as televisions with v-chips.
The boy's father, Charles Bizilj, who was at the event, said he gave his son permission to fire the UZI, according to the Boston Globe.
So how did the gun load, point and fire itself again?



Sorry burn.

Well I am from Canada so I guess right off the bat I am going to have a different opinion than most members here. lol
First off, I have to admit that when I log in here, I do not go to the front page. I go directly to the freebie forums. However today I logged onto the home page looking to see if Slick Deals had a certain thing here. I did not notice anything about guns on the front page. However I don't think guns should be posted on the front page regardless of how good a deal it is. I do not come here to buy a gun and would not consider it and that is a way of promoting guns whether intentional or not! I come here for freebies. Not violence. And I don't care if a member things it is not as bad as posting porno or not. lol And I don't care what the argument. It should not be on the front page. END OF STORY.
Also I do not care about how many states require a permit! That is not the point.

I love it!

If Hoser2 thinks it shouldne be on the front page, then it shouldnt!!!! END OF STORY!!!

He comes here for freebies dangit!!!!

Dont you people understand that the world revolves around Hoser2??? Whatever he wants, we should all bow down and make it happen for him!!!

Here is an idea Hoser2. Why dont you start your own webpage, and then you can put whatever you want on it. That way you dont have to worry about your delicate sensibilities being offended by seeing anyone talking about a gun!!

So, I realize I am gonna get my a$$ handed to me on this one, but there is NO WAY that a deal about a weapon should be on the front page of slickdeals.

I completely and totally disagree with you. There, that's my vote. Why would you want to censor items that, as a general category, are legal to buy in the USA?

Please don't say "because they kill people". There are deals on this site every day that could potentially kill people. Cars kill more people than guns every year, for instance.

[B]Firearm deals are permitted on our website, mainly because they are not illegal, are accessible to most users in the USA, are owned by a many people, and are protected by our constitution.
Perfect.

I'm glad to see SD is being rational and apolitical on this issue.

Well I am from Canada so I guess right off the bat I am going to have a different opinion than most members here. lol
First off, I have to admit that when I log in here, I do not go to the front page. I go directly to the freebie forums. However today I logged onto the home page looking to see if Slick Deals had a certain thing here. I did not notice anything about guns on the front page. However I don't think guns should be posted on the front page regardless of how good a deal it is. I do not come here to buy a gun and would not consider it and that is a way of promoting guns whether intentional or not! I come here for freebies. Not violence. And I don't care if a member things it is not as bad as posting porno or not. lol And I don't care what the argument. It should not be on the front page. END OF STORY.
Also I do not care about how many states require a permit! That is not the point.

In Canada, your government has chosen to heavily restrict what I view as an inalienable human right: the right to self defense.

Fortunately, the US government hasn't totally infringed on that right, which is guaranteed by our constitution.

It's unfortunate to see you making such an emotional statement, with no factual reinforcement, or even logic behind your argument. Nothing is wrong with promoting the legal use of guns, and if you're worried about promoting deadly items, you should first attack any deals on alcohol, fast food, cigarettes, or cars, all of which kill more people per year than guns do.

what's with all the anger over an intelligent discussion, just proves hot-heads shouldn't have guns. I know that was uncalled for but so is the name calling.
I think you're being overly sensitive. You're criticizing the same behavior you're exhibiting.
Another poster mentioned how expensive it is to own one of these assault rifles suggesting how that in itself restricts it's widespread use. Made me think of the dealers and cartels where money is not an issue.
Again, you need to do some research before you pop off ton things you know nothing about. It costs in the FIVE FIGURES to buy many automatic weapons, and a lot of them are old (25+ years).

Please name the last time that a fully automatic machine gun was used in a mass killing in the United States. We're waiting.

Dealers and cartels in the United States don't have gun battles with automatic weapons. Most of the gun killings in the US are gang related, and it's generally criminals killing other criminals (good riddance).

The automatic weapons being used in Mexico don't come from the US. Why would they pay $15,000.00 for an old machine gun when they can buy a crate of new machine guns from Romania or Russia for the price of one from the US, and fly them in on their own planes?

I'll say it again - automatic weapons are almost never used in crimes in the US, and the ones used in Mexico are not obtained from here in any significant quantities at all. Actually, recent reports show only about 17% of TOTAL guns seized from Mexican drug lords are from the US, and virtually all of those are semi-auto guns.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/ - Though some disrespect Fox News, I defy you to disprove the facts in this article.

I completely and totally disagree with you. There, that's my vote. Why would you want to censor items that, as a general category, are legal to buy in the USA?

Please don't say "because they kill people". There are deals on this site every day that could potentially kill people. Cars kill more people than guns every year, for instance.


Perfect.

I'm glad to see SD is being rational and apolitical on this issue.

All the OP asked was "Why are Guns allowed on the Front page?". Where does it say he wanted the deals to be banned? True, guns are not illegal to buy and own. True, guns play a big role in the deaths of many people worldwide. True, cars play a role in many deaths worldwide. True, guns are designed to kill. True, cars are designed for transportation.

Since guns are highly regulated products, such as drugs/medicines, alcohol/tobacco, gambling, and porn; most people are not in favor of seeing them advertised all over the place.

The answer is real simple. Slickdeals could add a button to the browser which would not ban anything, but allow the Slickdealsters to ignore what they don't want to see. If the ignore button worked on the front page like it does the rest of the site, there would be no issue here.

Check the story John Stossle (SP?) did on 20/20
Here in DC where guns were banned the gun violence went up on a higher curve, why? Because the criminals knew that the only people to meet their firepower would be police. For anyone calling the cops in DC you know what the ETA is, 15 to 20 minutes at best.

KOKAMO I am ashamed to have served my country for people like you that are trying to take my rights away. Your analogy on cars is crap, crimals DONT OBEY laws so they can buy a car without a license and drive it without insurance, it happens everyday. People steal cars everyday, people leave their keys in their car everyday.

The fact is there are alot more things killing americans every year than guns but you neglect to mention that. Between obesity, diabetes, cancer, aids, STDs, and too many others to mention kill many times that then guns do. Lets not forget too that gun deaths you claim include those who where criminals shot to death, a very large percentage of gun deaths you forgot to mention or so convienently forgot to share.

I am proud to have served my country to defend our bill of rights but disgusted to have defended them for people like yourself.

If you would like to continue this discussion, please feel free to do so in The Podium (http://forums.slickdeals.net/forumdisplay.php?f=18). As it stands, we will not be banning anything related to gun deals from our forum. Since the hot topics and up and coming topics are automated, it also means they will not be prohibited from making it to that area of the front page, as I mentioned before.

That being said, we do fully intend to allow people to ignore things by categories in the future. It is a part of our future features list that we are working on which include filtering, browsing and searching by category. It is of course something that will take some time for us to develop and refine. Look forward to it though in the future :)

Let me say that I appreciate all of the thought and effort that people have put into this discussion (on both sides) and express that we value it greatly.