2 post counts... one for everything else, and one for hot deals.
Both displayed underneath their name in every post.. not in their profile.

This isn't here to say 'that suggestion sucks', this thread is here to promote a solution to what many of us feel is a problem. If you don't like it, stay out and stop threadcrapping this thread.

Thank you.

um why?

thats kinda pointless.

That wouldnt stop PWing.

um why?
Offer a suggestion or shut up:bash:

Here was my first suggestion:
http://forums.slickdeals.net/showpost.php?p=1429181&postcount=602
It's hard to offer a solution to a problem when we really don't know what the problem is. Who has been so bothered by the PW'ing? So far in that group I see TtWeak, who more than enjoyed it when it got him attention with Teencraft; Striker; and Arjunsr, who said he has a personal problem with it.

I haven't seen a flood of regulars leaving because of it, and there seems to be a steady influx of new members: male, female, male and female :lol:

I thought the rep points were brought back to provide a more accurate means for determining how helpful or credible they might be in the deal forums. If that is the case, then what is the harm if the posts count is inflated because of posting in the Lounge?

Here's a solution: Since the rep points are there for the deal and tech support forums, why not disable the post count for those forums instead? Or if not disabled, make the post count invisible in those forums. Then the rep points would speak for themselves. And to make the rep points even more meaningful, we should all have access to the comments on why others have received their rep points (kind of like eBay feedback). For example, I have received rep points because:

**Iaaaiws rocks!!!

**I feel bad that you have so many more posts then me, yet less rep

**CONGRATS ON 5k IAAAIWS

If we can see why someone is getting rep points we can have a better idea of their participation and credibility where deals are concerned.

And my second solution:
http://forums.slickdeals.net/showpost.php?p=1429555&postcount=722
I haven't had my last suggestion shot down yet, so here is another one.

First, a little background on what I have thought about post count, Lately I have not really paid much attention to my post count, but I admit at different times I did pay quite a bit of attention to it. The earliest that I remember thinking about post count was when I was on page six when the members list was sorted by post count. At that time I started paying attention because I wanted to make it to page 5--sort of a milestone. After that I don't think I paid much attention to it unless I noticed I was close to moving up a page, then I would go back and check until I moved up. I don't remember intentionally trying to post more just to move up the list, except maybe when I was about to make it onto the first page, then I think I did post a little extra to get there. After that I think I made it into the top twenty, but I probably wouldn't have been there much longer and probably wouldn't have moved up the list any more either. When I reached that point I pretty much stopped even looking at where I was.

Ok, my next solution:

Reinstate the post count as it was before, but take away the ability to search the member list to see who is where in number of post counts. It would take more effort than it would be worth to determine who has the most posts and might make it less important to those who find it important now. Yet newer members would still be able to look at the member profile and know who the regulars are.

How about a "hidden" post count? The one that shows in your visible profile, which would be freebies/hot deals/etc. Then a "hidden" post count, that is only visible if you click a member's user profile.The hidden count would be lounge posts, or other posts deemed pointless ;) Sorry if this has been suggested already....

Offer a suggestion or shut up:bash:
That was my suggestion... Why does the lounge post count matter at all?

That was my suggestion... Why does the lounge post count matter at all?
It doesn't. We're wasting more posts arguing about lounge post count than if we'd just let the PW's have at it... :lol:

That was my suggestion... Why does the lounge post count matter at all?
appleyum it has pretty much been determined that you are so passive that you wouldn't find anything wrong with anything anyone does if your life depended on it. :rolleyes:

The purpose of this thread is to determine if there are any alternatives to the post count issue that might be acceptable to more people here. If there aren't any then it will stay as is and we will carry on. It certainly hasn't slowed down the posting today. I bet I have over 100 useless posts since the count stopped :lmao:

It certainly hasn't slowed down the posting today. I bet I have over 100 useless posts since the count stopped :lmao:


Hear, hear! :woot: I'll bet I have 200 useless posts ;)

The purpose of this thread is to determine if there are any alternatives to the post count issue that might be acceptable to more people here. If there aren't any then it will stay as is and we will carry on. It certainly hasn't slowed down the posting today. I bet I have over 100 useless posts since the count stopped :lmao:
If people are still posting, then why do we need alternatives?

we need alternatives because people arn't happy with the solution that was enacted... why not make both parties happy... there is a pretty big split right between the middle....

why not take away post counts altogether? If we are looking for a deal we can see by rep points who's deals are usually good. Why do we need post count in ANY forum?

appleyum it has pretty much been determined that you are so passive that you wouldn't find anything wrong with anything anyone does if your life depended on it. :rolleyes:

You missed his point- The lounge posts don't have any usefulness to a person's credibility, therefore, why do they matter? Extracting from that, why should they even be counted? Hence the system we now have, which many of us have been calling for for a looooonnnng time. The lounge posts should never have been counted in post count IF the intentions of the post count was to display credibility, longevity of a member, contributions by a member, or anything other than the simple number of posts he or she has made. Rep points are the same basic issue, if they are to suit their intended purpose they cannot be given for lounge posts.
I doubt there will ever be middle ground on this issue, the simple fact is you either want your post count to be high (all are to some degree a PW while some are much more so than others), or you want to eliminate the tendancy for useless, supreflous posts which waste the forums resources.

If I was the Webmaster, the Postcount would be a hidden tally, for me and me alone to judge the individuals interaction with the site, and the unrelated forums would not be tallied (actually they would not exist if I were the webmaster, but that's another argument). I would have some way to identify seniority, or longevity like the bars, but no numbers. (probabily not). The post count display for the public (assumeing I kept the bars) would increase with experiance, but would be algorythmed to take into account PWing, too many posts in a set period of time. Maybe only 1 post per day limit or something.

How about this: Why not only allow a post count of the individual threads STARTED by a user. IF they don't start the thread no post count. It would be pretty ovious whoever was PWing with new threads and the mods/admins could repramand them as necessary....

Personally I don't care about my count, but I can't stand the resources being wasted by PWing

That's not a bad idea... Why not kinda display some sort of stats page where it would display what kinda posts are made where... and whether or not they are threads, where they are more active in, etc. I'm sure there has to be some sort of plugin for vbulletin which sd can easily integrate into this website... I'll look when i'm off work.

If people are still posting, then why do we need alternatives?
:rolleyes: Spoken like a true mod

You missed his point- The lounge posts don't have any usefulness to a person's credibility, therefore, why do they matter? Extracting from that, why should they even be counted? Hence the system we now have, which many of us have been calling for for a looooonnnng time. The lounge posts should never have been counted in post count IF the intentions of the post count was to display credibility, longevity of a member, contributions by a member, or anything other than the simple number of posts he or she has made. Rep points are the same basic issue, if they are to suit their intended purpose they cannot be given for lounge posts.

That is my whole point. The rep points were brought back to use as a judge of credibility. Fix what is wrong with the rep point system and give us useless members our post count back. Why do you need both rep points and post count in the deal forums?



I doubt there will ever be middle ground on this issue, the simple fact is you either want your post count to be high (all are to some degree a PW while some are much more so than others), or you want to eliminate the tendancy for useless, supreflous posts which waste the forums resources.

Wasting forum resources has never been given as a reason for removing the post count from the Lounge. Postwhoring has angered a couple of members and they seem to have more value than the rest.


If I was the Webmaster, the Postcount would be a hidden tally, for me and me alone to judge the individuals interaction with the site, and the unrelated forums would not be tallied (actually they would not exist if I were the webmaster, but that's another argument). I would have some way to identify seniority, or longevity like the bars, but no numbers. (probabily not). The post count display for the public (assumeing I kept the bars) would increase with experiance, but would be algorythmed to take into account PWing, too many posts in a set period of time. Maybe only 1 post per day limit or something.

If you were Webmaster this site would look like this: :tumblewee


How about this: Why not only allow a post count of the individual threads STARTED by a user. IF they don't start the thread no post count. It would be pretty ovious whoever was PWing with new threads and the mods/admins could repramand them as necessary....

:rofl2: :shocking: :rofl2:



Personally I don't care about my count, but I can't stand the resources being wasted by PWing
When this is brought up as a problem by Mr Slickdeals then I will worry about that. So far he has not brought up wasting forum resources as an issue so I am going to assume that is not a big problem.


*disclaimer*
I intended for this to be a useful reply for the community. I am painfully aware that it is going to raise my post count by 1 and I feel really guilty that someone may see it as an attempt by me to reach the #1 spot by posting it here. If this is an issue then feel free to reduce my count by one.

2 post counts... one for everything else, and one for hot deals.
Both displayed underneath their name in every post.. not in their profile.


I think a lot of the problem is the post whoring is in the Hot Deals! There are a few members who seem to never ever check froogle or and just post up to a dozen posts in the hot deals per day of "deals" that are more expensive that a simple froogle wold show.

why not take away post counts altogether? If we are looking for a deal we can see by rep points who's deals are usually good. Why do we need post count in ANY forum?

Ironcially rep points are also skewed. there are people with very high rep points who get repped up on deals are later thumbed down as bogus

Ironcially rep points are also skewed. there are people with very high rep points who get repped up on deals are later thumbed down as bogus
That is one of the things that should be dealt with on the rep points as I suggested. A system similar to eBay feedback where everyone could see why the member gets rep points would be helpful. Maybe some people wouldn't freely give out rep points without good reason if they new their comments would be visible.

Fix the rep points so that can be used as a credibility barometer and use the post count for the "everything else" forums

*edit*
Also, as another fix for the rep points, anyone asking for rep points should promptly have their rep point total reset to zero

**edit again**
I would actually like to see these changes in the rep point system even if it doesn't result in getting the post count back in the Lounge.

*edit*
Also, as another fix for the rep points, anyone asking for rep points should promptly have their rep point total reset to zero

**edit again**
I would actually like to see these changes in the rep point system even if it doesn't result in getting the post count back in the Lounge.


So, are you suggesting I lose all my reps because you lost all your lounge posts?

I dont really care either way but is that really necessary? If I lose them and have to start over, then I start over. I only lost about 375 posts with the 'storm', so maybe I dont feel it as bad as you do.

But, I must also say I worked hard to get my reps up by finding useful items for SD members. Lounge postings, while mostly amusing, arent useful and (please dont bash me for saying this) this is a deal site.. not a chat room.

Dont you think that the post and reps should be for those who contribute to the site?

Im not at all saying the Loungers and/ or PW's should be condemned but since you guys all know each other, you all know your previous post scores.

On the brighter side, I noticed some members adding their previous post score to their profile. Maybe you guys can keep score that way if its so important?

Jen I'm pretty sure Iaaaiws meant that this change
Fix the rep points so that can be used as a credibility barometer and use the post count for the "everything else" forums
is what he was refering to.

So, are you suggesting I lose all my reps because you lost all your lounge posts?

Wow, you got that from what I suggested? Maybe I really am useless here. I am under the impression that you got your rep points by being helpful to others and posting good deals. If I am wrong and you have been begging for rep points like some of the others in the deal forums then that is lame.


Lounge postings, while mostly amusing, arent useful and (please dont bash me for saying this) this is a deal site.. not a chat room.

Dont you think that the post and reps should be for those who contribute to the site?



Wow, do you seriously believe that the Lounge is not an important part of the Slickdeals community? I really believe, and sorry to keep repeating it, that the closeness of our community here is what makes Slickdeals so much better than other deal sites. So yes, the Lounge is useful and has been a big part of why this site continues to be so successful.

I think rep points (as long as the system is fixed so they are given to those who deserve them such as yourself) should be for those who contribute to the deal and help forums. The post count should be just that-a post count.

And I think the fixes to the rep point system should be made no matter what happens with the post counts.

Iaaaiws, stop posting outside on the lounge! People are going to think you're A PW!!

J/K.......... ;)

Wow, you got that from what I suggested? Maybe I really am useless here. I am under the impression that you got your rep points by being helpful to others and posting good deals. If I am wrong and you have been begging for rep points like some of the others in the deal forums then that is lame.

Before I insult anyone else..


First... I dont think you or anyone else is a useless member. Thats NOT what I meant by useless posts in the lounge. Allow me to rephrase: Lounge posts arent always useful in finding a slick deal. Is that better?

Please dont twist this into an attack from me. Im not here to insult you or anyone else who felt the wrath of the 'storm'. Im just trying to see why it so important to go on and on with this. I have read some replies in here and in the lounge that make me wonder, that all.

Secondly, I have never and will never ask for a rep point. I dont believe in begging and wont do it. Period.


Wow, do you seriously believe that the Lounge is not an important part of the Slickdeals community? I really believe, and sorry to keep repeating it, that the closeness of our community here is what makes Slickdeals so much better than other deal sites. So yes, the Lounge is useful and has been a big part of why this site continues to be so successful.

My personal feelings on the Lounge is its a lounge.. a chat room. A place where the SD community meets and has fun. I just dont think a post count or rep point system is useful there since its mostly fun, not a slick deal.

Am I wrong? Possibly, but I am just expressing my opinion.


I think rep points (as long as the system is fixed so they are given to those who deserve them such as yourself) should be for those who contribute to the deal and help forums. The post count should be just that-a post count.

And I think the fixes to the rep point system should be made no matter what happens with the post counts.

Thank you for the compliment. I think the giver of the rep point needs to be more selective with whom they give a rep point to.

Otherwise, Mr Slick might as well do away with them too.

The only thing that I can think of to help is to have a breakdown of posts. Like...
Forums:
Slickdeals-#
Hotdeals-#
Coupons-#
Freebies-#
Site Suggestions-#
Reviews-#
Tech Support-#
Lounge-#
Podium-#
But this would be shown in the user profile.

The other thing about rep points is that it is not a true meter. I have been told, from members who have been here a while, that they want to give me rep points but they can't because they have to spread the points around. I know that this is in place so people can't make up usernames to add to their rep points, but it keeps people from getting them. The other day I tried giving a rep point, but couldn't because it says I need to spread them around. I am selective when giving rep points, so I think there should be some way around this.

...The other day I tried giving a rep point, but couldn't because it says I need to spread them around. I am selective when giving rep points, so I think there should be some way around this.I think this was done to prevent people from just giving each other a bunch of undeserved rep points. You may not do that, but others have abused that privilege elsewhere.

Postwhoring has angered a couple of members and they seem to have more value than the rest. No, Postwhoring has angered ALOT of users, none of us are more powerful than any other, except the mods and admins of course.

If you were Webmaster this site would look like this:
Lounge postings, while mostly amusing, arent useful and (please dont bash me for saying this) this is a deal site.. not a chat room.

Dont you think that the post and reps should be for those who contribute to the site? BINGO! I have been saying that since I joined here. Wanna chat, go to a chat room, wanna deal, come to Slickdeals.
Wow, do you seriously believe that the Lounge is not an important part of the Slickdeals community? I really believe, and sorry to keep repeating it, that the closeness of our community here is what makes Slickdeals so much better than other deal sites. So yes, the Lounge is useful and has been a big part of why this site continues to be so successful. It's a pitty if that is so. The real reason this site SHOULD be so much better than the other sites is that we excell at helping each other with the deals, we find more, and better deals, and this site has less fluff, pomp and circumstance and BS associated to finding the Deals than the other sites. I have been to most of them, the Lounge forum is NOT what keeps me here, but the obtrusive ads and banners, lame icons, poor color scheme and attitudes on FW (for example) keep me OFF there....

*edit*
Also, as another fix for the rep points, anyone asking for rep points should promptly have their rep point total reset to zero I agree 100%! I would go further to add that a black mark be visable for each rep point reset done in this event, as a way of showing the community it has taken place. That way if user X has 200 rep points we know it is 200 rep points, but if he has been reset 3 times and now has 200 rep points that makes a difference in user X's credibility.



I would like to thank the mods,(Thank you!) I see the Lounge posts counter has been added- hopefully this will appease the masses in general. There still needs to be something done about the PWing in Hot Deals, but this is a good start.

No, Postwhoring has angered ALOT of users, none of us are more powerful than any other, except the mods and admins of course.
Actually I started a poll and apparently only 1/3 of people were bothered by PWing. So punishing 100% of the Loungers to appease 1/3 of the Loungers doesn't seem to make much sense to me...

Actually I started a poll and apparently only 1/3 of people were bothered by PWing. So punishing 100% of the Loungers to appease 1/3 of the Loungers doesn't seem to make much sense to me...

You don't take into account people who have forsaken posting in the lounge because of post whores.

They are silent majority. Some of them spoke out on occasion but their voices were lost in the chatter of the postwhores.

If they left the site, then screw them their opinion doesn't matter. The only people who matter are the people who actually USE the site. Should I somehow be faulted for not taking into account people who might use the site in the future too?

I purposely left the poll anonymous so that anyone who didn't like the PWing could vote without fear of retribution from those of us upset about the loss of the post counts. So I don't believe they're a "silent majority". It was still 2:1 for people who aren't bothered by it at all.

Did you start a topic about Toddzilla's suggestion?

I started the discussion compelled by the voices requesting moderation of post whores.

I still think bemoaning post count is petty, vapid and some people take themselves too seriously.

I started the discussion compelled by the voices requesting moderation of post whores.

I still think bemoaning post count is petty, vapid and some people take themselves too seriously.
That's your opinion and that's fine. I think my girlfriend spending tons of money on accessories is vapid and petty but I am certainly not going to take away all of her shoes and purses because of MY opinion.

That's your opinion and that's fine. I think my girlfriend spending tons of money on accessories is vapid and petty but I am certainly not going to take away all of her shoes and purses because of MY opinion.

there is a difference between influencing your girlfiend and managing a forum.

a community is more than just you and your opinions. it's more than just me and my opinions. it is a collective effort of all, guided by its moderators and the administrator.

just because some people can yell the loudest and spew off posts about how they are personally injured by something so trivial (and it is - talk to anyone in real life and they will laugh off the absurdity of "my post count... my life... ") - doesn't make them right.

As I said elsewhere - post count wouldn't be a problem if postwhoring wasn't so blatant.

there is a difference between influencing your girlfiend and managing a forum.

a community is more than just you and your opinions. it's more than just me and my opinions. it is a collective effort of all, guided by its moderators and the administrator.
Obviously it wasn't an effort of all in this instance since the users weren't even consulted on the matter.
just because some people can yell the loudest and spew off posts about how they are personally injured by something so trivial (and it is - talk to anyone in real life and they will laugh off the absurdity of "my post count... my life... ") - doesn't make them right.

As I said elsewhere - post count wouldn't be a problem if postwhoring wasn't so blatant.
And again... that's YOUR opinion. YOUR opinion is not fact. Please stop presenting it as such. The fact is that you made a decision to appease a minoroty that upset a great majority. Just because YOU don't think it is a big deal doesn't make it any less of a big deal for those of us who are upset by it.

Obviously it wasn't an effort of all in this instance since the users weren't even consulted on the matter.

And again... that's YOUR opinion. YOUR opinion is not fact. Please stop presenting it as such. The fact is that you made a decision to appease a minoroty that upset a great majority. Just because YOU don't think it is a big deal doesn't make it any less of a big deal for those of us who are upset by it.

and I could say the same to you and make it a circular argument :rolleyes:

The difference is that I am saying that it is a big deal TO ME. You're saying it's not a big deal PERIOD.

Obviously it wasn't an effort of all in this instance since the users weren't even consulted on the matter.

And again... that's YOUR opinion. YOUR opinion is not fact. Please stop presenting it as such. The fact is that you made a decision to appease a minoroty that upset a great majority. Just because YOU don't think it is a big deal doesn't make it any less of a big deal for those of us who are upset by it.
Fact is many users were never even aware of your poll my friend.... I never saw it for one. And if it was in the lounge...well, that's going to immediatly eliminate the users who don't enter the lounge.

Here's the deal, in simple terms: A large enough portion of the usership of this site was displeased with an issue. The mods and Webmaster listened, as they always do, and made a decision to make changes which in thier opinions is better for the site in general. That's all it takes.
Depending on the site's owner and operators, even 5% of the usership may be too much complaining about any given issue. Just like in the real world, a small percentage of the population can get a bill passed in Congress without the "majority" of the population's input because those we have in charge agree it is for the better for all in general.
I know it's a pitty so many user's will have to add 2 numbers together now to get a post count....

See my signature.

See my signature.
I believe it already IS at the descretion of the mods to warn/ban/etc user's for PWing...the problem is discouraging it from happening in the first place if I understand correctly.

sigh..

so now it's a question of prefacing my statements with "It is my opinion that..."? :rolleyes:


Forgive me for being blunt, but moderators on this site are and have been extremely accomodating. If, after all is said and done, you cannot accept our judgment or work with us to find a solution that is acceptable not only to you but also to us - feel free not to post here.

sigh..

so now it's a question of prefacing my statements with "It is my opinion that..."? :rolleyes:
No. But you have to not call me vapid and shallow for caring about this issue simply because YOU don't find it important.

Forgive me for being blunt, but moderators on this site are and have been extremely accomodating. If, after all is said and done, you cannot accept our judgment or work with us to find a solution that is acceptable not only to you but also to us - feel free not to post here.
Forgive me for being blunt, but if this had been discussed with the Loungers before the unilateral decision had been made, you and the other mods wouldn't have wound up being attacked the way you have been by those of us who are upset about it.

Fact is many users were never even aware of your poll my friend.... I never saw it for one. And if it was in the lounge...well, that's going to immediatly eliminate the users who don't enter the lounge.
If you don't participate in The Lounge then why does your opinion on a matter that only affects the Loungers even matter?
Here's the deal, in simple terms: A large enough portion of the usership of this site was displeased with an issue. The mods and Webmaster listened, as they always do, and made a decision to make changes which in thier opinions is better for the site in general. That's all it takes.
Depending on the site's owner and operators, even 5% of the usership may be too much complaining about any given issue. Just like in the real world, a small percentage of the population can get a bill passed in Congress without the "majority" of the population's input because those we have in charge agree it is for the better for all in general.
I know it's a pitty so many user's will have to add 2 numbers together now to get a post count....
So because a small percent of the users of the site were upset by something that an even smaller percent of the users were doing... an entire large community has to be punished and we are just supposed to shut up and take it without complaining? Do you live in Cuba or something?

You know what... forget this forum. I'm going back to The Lounge and The Podium where I am actually treated with a modicum of respect and my opinions are actually valued... well they are in the Podium anyways apparently anytyhing I do or say in the Lounge is worthless to the Slickdeals community...

if you think that our purpose here is to cajole you whenever you become upset, you are grossly mistaken.

whether you like it or not, this site is not a democracy where all decisions are put up for vote. if you can't acknowledge that, perhaps you should move on.

Perhaps you should stop suggesting members leave the community.

whether you like it or not, this site is not a democracy where all decisions are put up for vote. if you can't acknowledge that, perhaps you should move on.
If, after all is said and done, you cannot accept our judgment or work with us to find a solution that is acceptable not only to you but also to us - feel free not to post here.

...let alone one of the most respected, liked, and valuable ones. He is aware of the rules and will "move on" if he wants. He is well aware of his alternatives with or without your recommendations.

Like said before moderators on this site are and have been extremely accomodating. If, after all is said and done, you cannot accept our judgment or work with us to find a solution that is acceptable not only to you but also to us - feel free not to post here.

Additionally, this site is primarily a deal site. Some of you think the purpose of this site is the Lounge and that is incorrect.

While we make every effort to support the Lounge community, we will not bend over backwards to please everyone and their whims.