Sodium Fluoride is a neuro toxin.

Even FDA has mandated warning labels to be put in products which contain Sodium Fluoride (NaF).

Sodium Fluoride has also been found to cause dental Fluorosis and deterioration of bone.

So then why do we still have Water fluoridation in our drinking water?

Is our government trying to kill us?


source : http://www.fluoridealert.org/

How else will social security remain solvent?

Seriously though, does the amount contained in drinking water pose a serious threat?

It's the cheapest way Aluminum companies can get rid of their toxic waste.

First that website design is absolutely terrible. What is this Christmas? Why are they alternating between red and green text.

Second the amounts of Fluoride in water are at negligible levels. Within normal intake it won't have any adverse effects on the majority of people. This is a non-issue being blown up by alarmists with nothing better to do.

First that website design is absolutely terrible. What is this Christmas? Why are they alternating between red and greent text.

Second the amounts of Fluoride in water are at neglisble levels. Within normal intake it won't have any adverse effects on the majority of people. This is a non-issue being blown up by alarmists with nothing better to do.

Maybe anonymouse is the web page designer?

Hasn't the John Birch Society been screaming about this for decades? Why is anybody going to care now?

To corrupt your precious bodily fluids as a prelude to mandatory abortions in FEMA camps performed by Kenyan Marxists, one of whom is almost definitely the anti christ.

All of the Halogens element pose a risk of genetic scrambling, to some degree or other.
I do have small concerns we are running an unmonitored experiement with humans as unwitting guinea pigs.
Who knows what subtle mutations might arise from this a few generations down the road?

Another one that concerns me is the bath of microwave radiation we all live in 24 - 7 thanks to our love of cell phones.

Combine flourine and microwaves and I half expect green trolls to start popping out of wombs at any minute.

I KNEW I was gunna get blamed as soon as somebody brought up that colored text. :O

The real risk in drinking water is dihydrogen monoxide.

What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:


* Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
* Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
* Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
* DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
* Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
* Contributes to soil erosion.
* Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
* Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
* Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
* Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
* Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
* Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
* Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

At present I have well water. The only concern I have is neighbors pee-ing psychotropics into the supply....

It's for dental health and this amount is miniscule

Fluoride. Many communities add fluoride to their drinking water to promote dental health. Each community makes its own decision about whether or not to add fluoride. EPA has set an enforceable drinking water standard for fluoride of 4 mg/L (some people who drink water containing fluoride in excess of this level over many years could get bone disease, including pain and tenderness of the bones). EPA has also set a secondary fluoride standard of 2 mg/L to protect against dental fluorosis. Dental fluorosis, in its moderate or severe forms, may result in a brown staining and/or pitting of the permanent teeth. This problem occurs only in developing teeth, before they erupt from the gums. Children under nine should not drink water that has more than 2 mg/L of fluoride.

Also there is no federal requirement to add fluoride to water.

The real risk in drinking water is dihydrogen monoxide.

:rofl2: Excellent post shhaggy!!!!

To corrupt your precious bodily fluids as a prelude to mandatory abortions in FEMA camps performed by Kenyan Marxists, one of whom is almost definitely the anti christ.

:iagree: :lmao:

At present I have a well water. The only concern I have is neighbors pee-ing psychotropics into the supply....
Some pediatric dentists recommend fluoride supplements for children under 5-6 living in a house served by well-water due to the lack of "extra" fluoride in the water.

Some pediatric dentists recommend fluoride supplements for children under 5-6 living in a house served by well-water due to the lack of "extra" fluoride in the water.

I don't feel it is necessary with regular brushing and flossing, cavity free so far. :)
The little guy is cutting teeth, so we use floride nursery water for the (GMO free) formula supplement. ;)

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face ?

I don't feel it is necessary with regular brushing and flossing, cavity free so far. :)
The little guy is cutting teeth, so we use floride nursery water for the (GMO free) formula supplement. ;)
Which suggests that you do think it's necessary.... or at least beneficial. ;)

Which suggests that you do think it's necessary.... or at least beneficial. ;)

The baby gets very little due to the fact he is hanging off my wife's tatas most of the time, the pills are a bit much for my older kids. They offer them up at school but I declined.

The real risk in drinking water is dihydrogen monoxide.

What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:


* Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
* Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
* Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
* DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
* Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
* Contributes to soil erosion.
* Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
* Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
* Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
* Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
* Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
* Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
* Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

Should we start a petition to ban this deadly scourge?

By any chance, do you drink only rain water and grain alcohol to protect yourself against fluoride? :lol:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2486/3812795249_8ef3d60020.jpg

If I recall correctly, and some teabaggers may know for sure, isn't fluoridation part of the forestry service conspiracy?

Natural fluoride in water vs. Added chemical fluoride *IS* VASTLY different!!!

I'm a "fluoride hater" and proud of it! Now, if someone bottled up some spring water that had higher levels of fluoride natually in it, I'd be buying it for my kids. Until then, we are staying away from it!!

@Kzd, please be sure to visit The Podium on November 3rd of this year...

-----------------------------------------------------

FLUORIDE
Michael A. Lennon
School of Clinical Dentistry
University of Sheffield, UK

Helen Whelton
Dennis O�Mullane
Oral Health Services Research Centre
University College, Cork, Republic of Ireland

Jan Ekstrand
Karolinska Institutet
Stockholm, Sweden

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/nutrientschap14.pdf

IV. INGESTED FLUORIDE AND HEALTH
The health effects of ingested fluoride were reviewed by Moulton in 1942 (8) prior to the
Grand Rapids intervention and regularly ever since by numerous organisations and individuals.
More recently IPCS (3) have carried out a detailed review of fluoride and the potential for impacts
on health. Studies and reviews have concentrated on bone fractures, skeletal fluorosis, cancers and
birth defects but also cover many other disorders claimed to be caused, or aggravated, by
fluoridation (1, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14). There is no good evidence of any adverse medical effects
associated with the consumption of water with fluoride naturally or artificially added at a
concentration of 0.5 � 1.0mg/litre other than the increase in dental fluorosis described above.
Furthermore, US studies in areas with natural fluoride levels of up to 8 mg/litre found no clinical
evidence of harm. However there is clear evidence from India and China that skeletal fluorosis
and an increased risk of bone fractures occur as a result of long-term excessive exposure to
fluoride (total intakes of 14 mg fluoride per day), and evidence suggestive of an increased risk of
bone effects at total intakes above about 6 mg fluoride per day (3).
The U.S. National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine (15) has recommended an
Adequate Intake (AI) of fluoride from all sources as 0.05 mg F/kg body weight/day, defined as
the estimated intake that has been shown to reduce the occurrence of dental caries maximally in a
population without causing unwanted side effects including moderate dental fluorosis. The U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency sets a maximum contaminant level of 4.0 mg/litre to protect
against skeletal fluorosis, and a secondary (guidance) value of 2 mg/litre to protect against
moderate to severe dental fluorosis. The WHO�s drinking water quality Guideline Value for
fluoride is 1.5 mg/litre (16). However, WHO emphasises that in setting national standards for
fluoride it is particularly important to consider climatic conditions, volumes of water intake, and
intake of fluoride from other sources (e.g. food and air). WHO (16) also noted that in areas with
high natural fluoride levels the Guideline Value might be difficult to achieve in some
circumstances with the limited technology available.
Fluoride is not irreversibly bound to bone. During the growth phase of the skeleton, a
relatively high portion of an ingested fluoride dose will be deposited in the skeleton. The
�balance� of fluoride in the body i.e. the difference between the amount of fluoride ingested and
the amount of fluoride excreted in the urine and the faeces can be positive and negative. When the
fluoride is derived from human milk or cow�s milk, biological fluids with a low fluoride content
(0.005 mg/L) urinary excretion generally exceeds intake i.e. there is a negative fluoride balance.
In infants when fluoride intakes are extremely low sufficient fluoride is released from bone to
extracellular fluid to result in urinary excretion higher than intake. This is in great contrast to the
situation in an adult approximately one half of the daily fluoride intake by adults will be deposited
in the skeleton and the rest excreted in the urine. Thus, fluoride will be mobilized slowly but
continuously from the skeleton depending on present and past fluoride exposure. This relationship
is largely due to the fact that bone is not static but, continuously undergoes a remodelling,
whereby old bone is resorbed and new bone is formed (17, 18).

im not familiar with it.

All I know is this: I suffered from cystic acne for a long time. A few years ago, I stopped drinking all tap water and started only drinking filtered water (reverse osmosis from the local health food store). My cysts went away and have never returned. I can't say it was the fluoride, but something in the tap water did not agree with me. If I drink tap water, the acne returns. People can say tap water is perfectly safe and okay for you, but in my case, it was not. And before anyone asks, no, I did not change anything else about my diet.

All I know is this: I suffered from cystic acne for a long time. A few years ago, I stopped drinking all tap water and started only drinking filtered water (reverse osmosis from the local health food store). My cysts went away and have never returned. I can't say it was the fluoride, but something in the tap water did not agree with me. If I drink tap water, the acne returns. People can say tap water is perfectly safe and okay for you, but in my case, it was not. And before anyone asks, no, I did not change anything else about my diet.

It's not that uncommon. It's most likely because the water was chlorinated not because of fluoride. Chlorine can destroy fatty skin cells and vitamin E of the skin

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face ?

Be careful, if your loved one does not drink tap water on a regular basis, you have the patriotic duty to withhold your bodily fluids from her. Did you know that over 70% of the body is water? The communists must not gain control over our bodily fluids, for we will be giving our bodies up to them! :omg:

The real risk in drinking water is dihydrogen monoxide.

What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:


* Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
* Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
* Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
* DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
* Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
* Contributes to soil erosion.
* Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
* Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
* Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
* Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
* Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
* Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
* Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

Geez, that sounds really dangerous!!!

;)

We voted against fluoridation in Bellingham, WA :). But, since I moved I get bottled water from Purified Water to Go.

Most people are already sheeped to realize that Fluoridation of drinking water is not good for human health.
Pretty soon the Government will add Lithium in the drinking water. Most of you are sure enjoying your nanny government.

@Kzd, please be sure to visit The Podium on November 3rd of this year...


Why would I want to do that? Aren't you guys going to have some candle light vigil on April 19th for Waco?

Natural fluoride in water vs. Added chemical fluoride *IS* VASTLY different!!!

I'm a "fluoride hater" and proud of it! Now, if someone bottled up some spring water that had higher levels of fluoride natually in it, I'd be buying it for my kids. Until then, we are staying away from it!!

Your lack of knowledge of basic chemistry disturbs me. "Natural" and artificially added fluoride are chemically identical. In fact, some water sources have much higher levels of fluoride than the standard used by the tap water supply, enough to stain your teeth yellow. How is this better than a standardized alternative?

I thought it is supposed to be good for the teeth? That's what they put in toothpaste and people use that everyday.

Is it in bottled water?

It tastes good.

First off, I am a dental student.

Fluoridation is used to strengthen teeth because the calcium in the hydroxyapatite in your enamel is replaced by fluroide. The biggest benefit is gained while your teeth are developing otherwise only the surface of the teeth are transformed. Thus it is most important to recieve the fluoride as an infant up until about age 21.

The amounts used have been proven again and again to be perfectly safe by the FDA, ADA, and independent researchers. Why this is still an issue is beyond me? Almost anything in high levels can cause developmental issues. There are plenty of other minerals in the drinking water but everything in proper proportion is not going to harm you.



Is it in bottled water?

No most bottled waters do not contain fluoride. This isnt as big of a deal for adults but for kids with developing teeth, it can cause them to have teeth that are much less resitant to decay.

The real risk in drinking water is dihydrogen monoxide.

What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:


* Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
* Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
* Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
* DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
* Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
* Contributes to soil erosion.
* Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
* Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
* Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
* Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
* Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
* Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
* Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

Title: DHMO Linked to Traffic Deaths
Date: 09 March 2000
Reporting: Barbara James & Peter Metcalfe
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
URL: http://www.dhmo.org/alerts/advisory030900
-------------------------------------------------------

DHMO Linked to Winter Traffic Accidents

Dihydrogen monoxide has been detected in "black ice"
on roadways, which has been linked with many fatal
and near-fatal traffic accidents. Caution should
be exercised when driving during winter months,
or whenever possibly DHMO-contaminated "black ice"
is present.

Dangerous sheeting of melted and refrozen "black
ice" is facilitated by the presence of DHMO.
During warm-cold weather cycles, additional care
should be taken when driving, walking or jogging
when sheeted "black ice" is present.

Crystalline DHMO has been found mixed with winter
precipitation, although this appears to be a
regional phenomenon. The dangers of crystalline
DHMO are similar to that of DHMO found in "black
ice", although sensible precautions can eliminate
many hazards.

Pharmacy student here. Perhaps it has good topical use, but how about the toxicities from ingesting fluoride?

See especially points 6 and 8. "Whereas fluoride's benefits come from topical contact with teeth, its risks to health (which involve many more tissues than the teeth) result from being swallowed."[....] "a) No difference exists in tooth decay between fluoridated & unfluoridated countries. While water fluoridation is often credited with causing the reduction in tooth decay that has occurred in the US over the past 50 years, the same reductions in tooth decay have occurred in all western countries, most of which have never added fluoride to their water. The vast majority of western Europe has rejected water fluoridation. Yet, according to comprehensive data from the World Health Organization, their tooth decay rates are just as low, and, in fact, often lower than the tooth decay rates in the US. (25, 35, 44) "

b) Cavities do not increase when fluoridation stops. In contrast to earlier findings, five studies published since 2000 have reported no increase in tooth decay in communities which have ended fluoridation. (37-41)

http://fluoridealert.org/fluoride-facts.htm
http://fluoridealert.org/fluoride-facts.refs.htm

I thought it is supposed to be good for the teeth? That's what they put in toothpaste and people use that everyday.

Is it in bottled water?
Yes but that's topical use in toothpaste and mouthwash. There are also warnings about swallowing both of those items. The ppm for toothpaste vs. fluoridated water is, of course, going to vary.

btw some water filtration systems do filter out fluoride.

First off, I am a dental student.

Fluoridation is used to strengthen teeth because the calcium in the hydroxyapatite in your enamel is replaced by fluroide. The biggest benefit is gained while your teeth are developing otherwise only the surface of the teeth are transformed. Thus it is most important to recieve the fluoride as an infant up until about age 21.

The amounts used have been proven again and again to be perfectly safe by the FDA, ADA, and independent researchers. Why this is still an issue is beyond me? Almost anything in high levels can cause developmental issues. There are plenty of other minerals in the drinking water but everything in proper proportion is not going to harm you.
.
The FDA, you mean the people responsible for approving these?

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/03/0306_obesity/image/9_fenphen.jpg
http://nocameranointervention.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/vioxx2.jpg
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Pharmacy student here. Perhaps it has good topical use, but how about the toxicities from ingesting fluoride?

See especially points 6 and 8. "Whereas fluoride's benefits come from topical contact with teeth, its risks to health (which involve many more tissues than the teeth) result from being swallowed."[....] "a) No difference exists in tooth decay between fluoridated & unfluoridated countries. While water fluoridation is often credited with causing the reduction in tooth decay that has occurred in the US over the past 50 years, the same reductions in tooth decay have occurred in all western countries, most of which have never added fluoride to their water. The vast majority of western Europe has rejected water fluoridation. Yet, according to comprehensive data from the World Health Organization, their tooth decay rates are just as low, and, in fact, often lower than the tooth decay rates in the US. (25, 35, 44) "

b) Cavities do not increase when fluoridation stops. In contrast to earlier findings, five studies published since 2000 have reported no increase in tooth decay in communities which have ended fluoridation. (37-41)

http://fluoridealert.org/fluoride-facts.htm
http://fluoridealert.org/fluoride-facts.refs.htm

I would caution you about the studies they post there.
1) the only note wether they use water or salt fluoridation. Europe uses many different types of fluroide systems. A lot of areas have topical fluoride application for children or supplements in schools.

2) The chart shown lists the DMF numbers for 12 year olds. Many primary teeth calcify before birth. The true test is the test of time in adults. That has been shown many times over in research to be greatly reduced.

The benefit is recieved from fluoride containing toothpaste as well but the developmental aspect is much more important.

Yes but that's topical use in toothpaste and mouthwash. There are also warnings about swallowing both of those items. The ppm for toothpaste vs. fluoridated water is, of course, going to vary.

btw some water filtration systems do filter out fluoride.


The FDA, you mean the people responsible for approving these?



Who do you trust the CDC?AAPD?EPA?

They all have done long term studies on its effectiveness and safety.
The initial studies showed a reduction of about 50-60% but now the studies show a 20-40% reduction because of the increased awareness and alternative sources of fluoride.

Who do you trust the CDC?AAPD?EPA?

They all have done long term studies on its effectiveness and safety.
The initial studies showed a reduction of about 50-60% but now the studies show a 20-40% reduction because of the increased awareness and alternative sources of fluoride.
Nope don't trust them either. ;)

Nope don't trust them either. ;)

...... You just trust your shotgun and tin foil hat I assume.

Heres an amazing resource with many double blind studies from all sorts of sources citing its effectiveness.

http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/facts/fluoridation_facts.pdf

Wouldn't dentists benefit more if there was no fluoride in the water? More cavities means more need.

The FDA, you mean the people responsible for approving these?

And these. ;)

http://plantsci.sdstate.edu/seedcert/images/RR_Clean.jpg

http://www.wolfrivervalleyseeds.com/rr_corn2.jpg

The real risk in drinking water is dihydrogen monoxide.

What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:


* Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
* Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
* Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
* DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
* Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
* Contributes to soil erosion.
* Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
* Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
* Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
* Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
* Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
* Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
* Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

:lmao: Good post I love watching peoples reaction to this :)

oh and as long as you are cutting out tap water from your diets.... you may want to also remove the following:
toothpaste
infant formula
cereals
juice
soda
tea
wine
beer
chicken
seafood
cigarettes
... and many more

http://www.fortcollinscwa.org/pages/fluoride.htm

the gov page seems to be down :( http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/Fluoride/Fluoride.html

...... You just trust your shotgun and tin foil hat I assume.

Heres an amazing resource with many double blind studies from all sorts of sources citing its effectiveness.

http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/facts/fluoridation_facts.pdf

Wouldn't dentists benefit more if there was no fluoride in the water? More cavities means more need.

Nope, don't own guns but thanks for the assumption, Same holds true for tin foil hats. And I don't need formula, I came well-equipped for that. Also note, I wrote that some water filtration systems do remove fluoride, like reverse osmosis.

I'll believe an "amazing" resource went it isn't used to advance a group's own agenda, just as you discredited the fluoride safety website earlier. Some of the time, those "independent studies" aren't so independent after all.

If fluoride is so safe, why have other countries, you know those European countries that so many in the U.S are dead-set on imitating, have discontinued putting sodium fluoride in their water supply? Germany, for example, tooth decay levels declined after they stopped fluoridation.

:nono: shhaggy, I saw that episode of Penn & Teller. :D

If fluoride is so safe, why have other countries, you know those European countries that so many in the U.S are dead-set on imitating, have discontinued putting sodium fluoride in their water supply? Germany, for example, tooth decay levels declined after they stopped fluoridation.


Germany is one of the major countries that currently uses salt fluoridation... thus (admittedly without reading the study because im assuming you are not reading all the studies have posted) i would venture to say that the study would have a next to impossible time controlling for ingestion of fluoride.

EDIT: After doing a serach for your wonderful study on the interwebz, you will find it right here: http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/facts/fluoridation_facts.pdf
Right in the link I already provided. See questions #9, 55, 56 .. it is cited research article #95

^ Ahhh, interesting. Thanks for the #s : )

Ok, let us establish some facts.
The fluoride dumped in some American water systems is a by-product of Aluminum manufacture. It is not enhanced, special or anything else but a by-product. Challenge the fact, not my headgear.
If I dumped the same exact product into a lake or stream, I would be arrested and punished. Period.
Doesn't matter if I have a gun or a bible. I would be arrested and punished for contaminating the water supply.
What medicine is given by a doctor without a dosage based on size, need, age, etc? Fluroide dosage will be based on water consumption. It defies logic that the possible range of dosages is harmless for everyone from a infant to a 113 year old woman. Anyone's logic, not just the JBS.
As for toothpaste, please read the poison warning on the label, you know, after you get the magnifying glass to read it. Esp. the part about contacting the poison control center if you swallow it.

Instead of attacking people who are concerned that a study done and financed by the aluminum industry in the 1940's might be faulty, perhaps educate yourselves.

To corrupt your precious bodily fluids as a prelude to mandatory abortions in FEMA camps performed by Kenyan Marxists, one of whom is almost definitely the anti christ.

ROFL:lol::lol:

Ok, let us establish some facts.
The fluoride dumped in some American water systems is a by-product of Aluminum manufacture. It is not enhanced, special or anything else but a by-product. Challenge the fact, not my headgear.
If I dumped the same exact product into a lake or stream, I would be arrested and punished. Period.
Doesn't matter if I have a gun or a bible. I would be arrested and punished for contaminating the water supply.
What medicine is given by a doctor without a dosage based on size, need, age, etc? Fluroide dosage will be based on water consumption. It defies logic that the possible range of dosages is harmless for everyone from a infant to a 113 year old woman. Anyone's logic, not just the JBS.
As for toothpaste, please read the poison warning on the label, you know, after you get the magnifying glass to read it. Esp. the part about contacting the poison control center if you swallow it.

Instead of attacking people who are concerned that a study done and financed by the aluminum industry in the 1940's might be faulty, perhaps educate yourselves.

Wow you necro'd this thread?!?!

I guess you are looking for some attention and support for your post. I will give you attention, but not support.

1) There are many things the government can do that you as an individual can not do. Does that alone make them right or wrong?

2) Fluoride would be considered a drug by definition, but it is able to be used freely because of its wide theraputic index. Its no different than being able to buy vitamins at the store. Swallow a whole bottle and it's no good for you.

3) As for the toothpaste label, see 2.

4) Fluoride is not just dumped into the water supply. It is pumped in and closely monitored. Please see this link for the pumps that they use: http://www.blue-white.com/proseries/flexpro/A3V_ChlorinePump.htm

Lastly, please I think it would really benefit you to REALLY read the link I provided earlier. It is extremely thorough and informative. Here it is again for you : http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/facts/fluoridation_facts.pdf

Your lack of knowledge of basic chemistry disturbs me. "Natural" and artificially added fluoride are chemically identical. In fact, some water sources have much higher levels of fluoride than the standard used by the tap water supply, enough to stain your teeth yellow. How is this better than a standardized alternative?

Are old threads taboo around here? I hope not, as it's still a very important topic.

As for the above claim: RLY? Do you think elemental fluorine is being added?

Laboratory effectiveness of different types of fluoride compounds. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1068684)

Types of Fluoride Additives (http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/fact_sheets/engineering/wfadditives.htm#1)

“When the fluoridation of drinking water began, there was little evidence for its long-term safety, and since then little attempt has been made to monitor its health effects systematically. Because there are so many unanswered health questions, fluoridation of water must be considered an ongoing experimental procedure, and as such it is a violation of the Nuremberg Code, which forbids experimentation on humans without their informed consent. Only a minority of countries practice fluoridation. In Europe, nearly all countries either have never fluoridated their water or have ceased doing so. Yet the incidence of caries has declined just as much in those countries as in countries that practice fluoridation.”

Also, salt fluoridation is a voluntary OTC application in Germany.

But to me the entire idea of ingesting fluoride to prevent cavities makes as much sense as putting sunscreen chemicals in the water in order to expose the skin during showers in an effort to "reduce cancer". Fluoride works topically, and has a growing list of detrimental effects when ingested. If you want to promote dental health then do so sanely, at least in regards to forcing it upon others. You can eat all the toxic toothpaste you want, but don't try making me do so.

Fighting Fluoride
by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD (http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller35.1.html)