Unless my "search" button is broken, I can't find any threads about this oil spill.

Aren't there some Loungers here from the Gulf Coast area, besides myself?

This thing is going to be bad. Really bad. :sadwalk:


I grew up in Pensacola, FL and have spent my whole life on these beaches. Pensacola, Gulf Shores, Navarre, Destin ... they are beautiful. And they have already suffered so much devastation over the years from hurricanes and now they have to endure THIS?

If this goes on long enough and the oil makes it's way into the Florida Keys, that will be the end of the natural coral reef habitat. What about the dolphins and fish and turtles and birds?

Environmental disaster aside, I can't even imagine what the economic impact is going to be. :weeping:

I have been following and I am horrified!!! I can't believe that a company as large as BP is not doing more ... that being said far far away in the Great Lakes region where I sit casting aspersions on BP it isn't as if I am doing anything either. It just seems from the coverage as if very little is being done very slowly .... I agree with you the impact will be tremendous ... and NOT in a good way :sadwalk:

I follow it a bit. Living in Tallahassee and Tampa you get to hear all the crap about it.

From what I understand (bad reporting probably) the oil isn't yet to the beaches in Florida, and that it's more likely to affect Jacksonville's beaches (they have those? Jacksonville's nasty) than the Pensacola area.

As for economic impact, I can sum it up like this: I'm damn glad my dad got rid of his fishing business years ago, or we'd be going through hell for the next few months.

When I first heard about this, I thought of the marine animals first. It's very sad.

And turning to the selfish "us." Does this mean no more beaches in Florida? This will hurt airline industry even more.

And turning to the selfish "us." Does this mean no more beaches in Florida?

Depends on which beaches you like. None of them have been hit bad yet, so right now they are all still fine.

If you like the Gulf Beaches, you probably have little to worry about. Anything on the east coast (Smyrna, Daytona, Jupiter, Miami) you've got something to worry about if the winds change.

Unless my "search" button is broken, I can't find any threads about this oil spill.

Aren't there some Loungers here from the Gulf Coast area, besides myself?

This thing is going to be bad. Really bad. :sadwalk:


I grew up in Pensacola, FL and have spent my whole life on these beaches. Pensacola, Gulf Shores, Navarre, Destin ... they are beautiful. And they have already suffered so much devastation over the years from hurricanes and now they have to endure THIS?

If this goes on long enough and the oil makes it's way into the Florida Keys, that will be the end of the natural coral reef habitat. What about the dolphins and fish and turtles and birds?
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Environmental disaster aside, I can't even imagine what the economic impact is going to be. :weeping:

poor turtles :(

what spill?

why agonize over it? there is nothing we can do. I can't go stop the well from leaking. I can't stop oil from running with the tides.
it's a freakin disaster and poor animals.

we can all blame ourselves. we're the ones who are so dependant on oil. BP are one of the companies that run the planet. the government will do very little to punish them since all those corrupt SOB's pockets are being lined with money from the oil industry. wake the F up people. do you really think obama has any say what will be done to BP as punishment!? Obama along with every other president takes orders from a high power. the bilderbergs run everything! search for this new world order on the web, no joke.

millions of marine life will parish. ma and pa stores that rely on business coming in will go bankrupt. your food at restaurants/grocery stores will go up. and politicians wallets will be overfllowing with $100 bills. nothin you/we can do about it either.

please don't ever breed.

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AP report:



NEW ORLEANS — The chief executive of BP says crews have been able to reduce the amount of oil reaching the surface from a massive underwater gusher with a new approach of using chemicals at the gusher.

CEO Tony Hayward also said BP is not responsible for the Gulf of Mexico drill rig accident that set off the spill but is taking responsibility for the response and cleanup.

Hayward said on NBC television Monday that BP is injecting dispersant chemicals into the oil as it pours out of an undersea well. He said it was a new approach and appeared to be having a significant impact on the amount that reaches the spreading surface slick. He did not elaborate.

On ABC television, Hayward said the drill rig equipment and processes that failed and led to the spill belonged to rig owner Transocean Ltd.

Finger pointing at its finest. :rolleyes:

AP report:



Finger pointing at its finest. :rolleyes:

FPFT.


Finger pointing for truth.

NEW ORLEANS — The chief executive of BP says crews have been able to reduce the amount of oil reaching the surface from a massive underwater gusher with a new approach of using chemicals at the gusher.

CEO Tony Hayward also said BP is not responsible for the Gulf of Mexico drill rig accident that set off the spill but is taking responsibility for the response and cleanup.

Hayward said on NBC television Monday that BP is injecting dispersant chemicals into the oil as it pours out of an undersea well. He said it was a new approach and appeared to be having a significant impact on the amount that reaches the spreading surface slick. He did not elaborate.

On ABC television, Hayward said the drill rig equipment and processes that failed and led to the spill belonged to rig owner Transocean Ltd.

I wonder what these chemicals are doing to the sea life. At least the oil floats to the surface and we could clean it up. What happens to the chemicals in the water? :scratchh:

we can all blame ourselves. we're the ones who are so dependant on oil. BP are one of the companies that run the planet. the government will do very little to punish them since all those corrupt SOB's pockets are being lined with money from the oil industry. wake the F up people. do you really think obama has any say what will be done to BP as punishment!? Obama along with every other president takes orders from a high power. the bilderbergs run everything! search for this new world order on the web, no joke.

millions of marine life will parish. ma and pa stores that rely on business coming in will go bankrupt. your food at restaurants/grocery stores will go up. and politicians wallets will be overfllowing with $100 bills. nothin you/we can do about it either.

:crylol: :roll:

It was done on purpose to drive up prices.

I'm down on the beach and it's so sad ... everyone is canceling their reservations. The cleaners are losing days at work left and right The fishermen/shrimpers are the ones I really pity. I really don't think it will actually hit our beaches, but we sure will feel it for ages to come.

I'm curious as to exactly what a dispersant does.

nobody cares, we invaded a sovereign nation for oil under false pretenses of the giving sanctuary to the boogie man...

We don't want to hear anything bad about oil as long as people we know are getting shot and killed for absolutely no good reason in other countries in the name of oil.

nobody cares, we invaded a sovereign nation for oil under false pretenses of the giving sanctuary to the boogie man...

We don't want to hear anything bad about oil as long as people we know are getting shot and killed for absolutely no good reason in other countries in the name of oil.

Your user name makes a lot more sense to us now

I just can't figure out why they haven't figured how to at least stop it from leaking while repairs are made to the rig. It's just a sad situation for everybody.

Your user name makes a lot more sense to us now

:lol:

I just can't figure out why they haven't figured how to at least stop it from leaking while repairs are made to the rig. It's just a sad situation for everybody.
Did we invite the Army Corps of Engineers to figure out a solution?

Remember, they're the same people that thought dropping sandbags into a broken levee in NO during Katrina was a great way to stop the water flooding in.

:lol:


Did we invite the Army Corps of Engineers to figure out a solution?

Remember, they're the same people that thought dropping sandbags into a broken levee in NO during Katrina was a great way to stop the water flooding in.

you mean the same army corps of engineers who designed the levees that WOULD have withstood the hurricane forces if they had been actually able to build them instead of having those plans scrapped by the local and federal governments at the time because it was "unlikely" to ever be needed and the cost versus what was built was simply too high?


oh yeah, those guys.....


they actually do know their shit pretty well. Look at how well they do on the Mississippi River in creating real flood plains designed to flood yearly instead of trying to hold back the floods every year and creating massive damage in populated areas.

Your user name makes a lot more sense to us now

:lmao:

that is all

:lol:


Did we invite the Army Corps of Engineers to figure out a solution?

Remember, they're the same people that thought dropping sandbags into a broken levee in NO during Katrina was a great way to stop the water flooding in.

I was thinking more along the lines of Transocean, who does drilling and that kind of work. Since they operated the rig I would think they might have an idea how to stop it. But then again I haven't paid full attention to the news about it. Maybe they're already working on it.

AP report:



Finger pointing at its finest. :rolleyes:

FPFT.


Finger pointing for truth.

it's Haliburton's fault. The blowout occurred during the sealing process...

I was thinking more along the lines of Transocean, who does drilling and that kind of work. Since they operated the rig I would think they might have an idea how to stop it. But then again I haven't paid full attention to the news about it. Maybe they're already working on it.

I am a bit unsure of who is responsible for the problems. Is it really BP, who doesn't own the thing that caused this, or is it Transocean, who actually owns the rig, that we should be going after?

You would think though that Transocean would know how to fix the problems that their rigs cause though. I'd hate to think though about all of the oil we don't know about that is leaking out.

i live on the gulf...i can hit a golf ball from my door into the gulf...so i've been checking this thing out a lot.
check here for up to date imagery...

http://www.pecad.fas.usda.gov/cropexplorer/modis_summary/modis_page.cfm?regionid=us&modis_tile=r13c10

i hate how it's being spun into a political issue instead of a environmental one.

If you don't think it's going to hit the beaches, think again. LINK (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/oil-spill-map.htm?loc=interstitialskip)

Phoenix, I don't think the East coast of FL has anything to be worried about anytime soon. I used to live in Jacksonville and their beaches aren't anything great, true ... but I don't think this will affect them. Maybe months or years from now but not like it is about to impact the Gulf Coast states.

Dispersant chemicals are just that ... chemicals. While it may serve a purpose on the frontside of this disaster, it WILL cause problems on the backside. They know that the chemicals are harmful to wildlife AND people. Long-term consequences are inevitable.

Blame doesn't matter at this point. There will be enough "blame" to go around in the coming weeks, months, years even.

I can't believe that the media is spending more time on one poorly-made, failed explosive inside of a SUV than they are on this oil spill.

you mean the same army corps of engineers who designed the levees that WOULD have withstood the hurricane forces if they had been actually able to build them instead of having those plans scrapped by the local and federal governments at the time because it was "unlikely" to ever be needed and the cost versus what was built was simply too high?


oh yeah, those guys.....

they actually do know their shit pretty well. Look at how well they do on the Mississippi River in creating real flood plains designed to flood yearly instead of trying to hold back the floods every year and creating massive damage in populated areas.


Most people don't ever get the full story. The New Orleans Levee board had money to throw lavish $250K Mardi Gras parties, but not to put work into the levees. Bush and Clinton both approved matching funds to help with repairs, but they were never completed by the State of LA, WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IT IS TO MAINTAIN THE LEVEES. And as to the mighty Mississippi? We keep moving closer to where nature intended it to flood and re-fertilize the ground with sediment. The channelization of the river has robbed Louisiana of it's coast line for decades and every hurricane that comes along batters us even more. The Wetlands that we lose are our natural barrier to absorb the storm shock.

I was thinking more along the lines of Transocean, who does drilling and that kind of work. Since they operated the rig I would think they might have an idea how to stop it. But then again I haven't paid full attention to the news about it. Maybe they're already working on it.

They are working on this, but because of the depth (5000'), they must do it with robotics. The well had a remote-controlled mini-sub (like the one they used to explored the Titanic). They are working to close it off, but oil and gas pockets are under enormous pressure and it's a tedious job.

it's Haliburton's fault. The blowout occurred during the sealing process...

Oil wells are VERY dangerous. I used to work for an exploration company. All sorts of things can go wrong with the process. In this instance, oil apparently got into the wellbore and before anyone could react, it blew out. Rigs have multiple emergency shutdown buttons and none were pushed, indicating the it happened too fast for any of the crew members to react. They are WELL trained for this sort of emergency.

And yes, the coast is screwed. The shrimp and plankton are first to go, which feed the rest of the food chain. Seafood will be at a premium. I live very near the coast and already oyster beds are being shut down. So the next time you hear someone from Cape Cod fuss about having to look at a few windmills, come look at the Gulf at night and see how many rigs are lit up like small cities. and Obama was ready to drill more. Now all of a sudden, they're dangerous. Well, they always have been. Wake up and dig a little deeper to hear to whole story instead of believing only what you hear on TV (ANY station).

Suddenly drilling in ANWR makes a lot more sense.

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but what about the baby seals and fish that will be affected??? bwahhaha

Yeah, there are so many baby seals and fish up there that they are starting to live on land.

Evolution all over again.

It was done on purpose to drive up prices.

:scratchh: Hmmm.... Gas went up 15 cents a gallon today here. Coincidence? :scratch:

Phoenix, I don't think the East coast of FL has anything to be worried about anytime soon. I used to live in Jacksonville and their beaches aren't anything great, true ... but I don't think this will affect them. Maybe months or years from now but not like it is about to impact the Gulf Coast states.

From what I've heard and read, if there is a change in the wind and it blows offshore at all, the oil will flow into the Gulf Loop and out into the Atlantic. That's what I was talking about.

I dunno really. The Fox station here really loves the doomsday scenarios.

:scratchh: Hmmm.... Gas went up 15 cents a gallon today here. Coincidence? :scratch:
It went up by over 10 cents a gallon here....

Yeah, I'm not buying that whole "there will be no short-term impacts on prices" bullshit that the AAA person in Tampa spewed this morning on TV.

From what I've heard and read, if there is a change in the wind and it blows offshore at all, the oil will flow into the Gulf Loop and out into the Atlantic. That's what I was talking about.

If they can't shut it down soon, I think it getting into the Atlantic is a very real possibility.

It was done on purpose to drive up prices.

Or short stock.

Main topic is located in the podium OP, at:
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?sduid=194868&t=2000568

gas price havent went up at the 2 Arcos close by. but everywhere else is at least 15cent more expensive

Or short stock.

Main topic is located in the podium OP, at:
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?sduid=194868&t=2000568

:eek: I clicked on the link. I'm scared. :cold:

Main topic is located in the podium OP, at:
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?sduid=194868&t=2000568

I saw that thread but it has nothing to do with the "human factor". It's all about the money and the politics and yeah, I'm angry as hell and would love nothing more than to see BP go under and every single oil rig GONE from the Gulf.

But that's not my first concern. I am much more concerned with the human and environmental side of things right now. The first dead sea turtles washed up in MS last night and they're trying to determine what killed them ... dispersants or oil.

You see, unlike the quake in Haiti or when Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans, there will be no star-studded telethons for this. No one in Hollywood is going to ask, "Where can I send a check?" Why would they? They have no "connection" to this area. If they want to see a coral reef or swim with a dolphin, they hop on a plane and go to the Bahamas.

But that's not reality for the rest of us. I have 3 generations of commercial fisherman in my family and you won't find anyone that cares more about the marshes and the wetlands and the breeding grounds down here than these folk. They have been fighting off the oil companies and big government for as long as I can remember.

The people who come down here and spend their tourist dollars are appreciated ... but they also, do not make up the face of this region. They have pictures and memories of great vacations ... but no vested interest.

I was on a friend's FB page this morning and she mentioned that she was too pregnant to go to the beach and was sad that over the next several weeks, it might be changed forever. Two people replied, "what's going on with the beaches down there?"

Ummm, seriously, do they live under a rock?

its human nature to consume/destroy. humans are only interested in their personal well being, how can this benefit me. they do not care about the outcome of the millions that could be affected.

i just watched "the road" over the weeked. movie kinda sucked but it was about the end of the world. some natural disaster which they didnt even talk about killed off every plant and animal on the planet. humans were left but would ultimately starve to death over time...i believe that mother nature won't even have to waste it's time with us. in the next couple hundred years the human race will become extinct. we're going to simply kill ourselves off and we wont even realize it until its too late.

stop blabbing about nothing. I assume you look just like your avatar when you post.

sorry, I'm too busy trying to find clean water.:(

This will affect so many industries down here - but I can say, as someone who works for a company who was trying to cap off the oil spill - that a lot was done to prevent the rig from sinking and to prevent the continuous leak of oil into the gulf. It is devastating, and soon, people will be screaming even louder about the effects on the environment and how we shouldn't be drilling.

Problem is, yes, I feel bad for the sea turtles and the fish and dolphins and the beaches - but it is only humanity that did this. Unfortunately, your car will not operate by putting a pureed sea turtle in the gas tank, so we continue to need more oil, and BP continues to fulfill our need. As much money as the gulf coast bring in due to fishing, shrimping, crabbing, tours, and gulf coast attractions, more is brought in by the oil industry and it is an absolute necessity.

BP has been doing what they can and I am not saying I am siding with them in any way - but so many decisions have to be run through 5 different people before anything can be approved by BP - it is costing valuable time. BP leased out the rig from Transocean, and BP is VERY strict on who works on their jobs and what their training and qualifications are. Hopefully - they will find the root of what caused this and make sure it doesn't happen again. Although the spill hurts BP - in the long run it hurts Transocean more - they have to log that it was a spill on THEIR rig with their employees.

Bottom line - it happens. It sucks, it is terrible, and I am sure BP will put more safety precautions into place and make sure people have a little bit more training, but as the rig was still burning they had at least two different companies with ROV's (remotely operated vehicles) continuously working to cap it off, and it just can not be done, and it is too dangerous to send divers to do it - so everyone is kind of lost.

People let's not loose sight of the big picture: this is a disaster which took at least 11 lives and tramatized many more people. Yes, it is terrible that the much desired oil that we all use will hurt the wildlife and environment, but will eventually be cleaned up. Then the men and women that risk their lives daily to help provide us reasonable priced petrochemical products can resume their jobs.

People let's not loose sight of the big picture: this is a disaster which took at least 11 lives and tramatized many more people. Yes, it is terrible that the much desired oil that we all use will hurt the wildlife and environment, but will eventually be cleaned up. Then the men and women that risk their lives daily to help provide us reasonable priced petrochemical products can resume their jobs.

Thanks you! Unless you live on the coast, you don't understand how many people make their livelihood off of oil production and how at risk they are everyday. Every aspect of our lives will be affected by this - wildlife, industry, tourism, recreation, food production, everything. And all of us benefit in some way by the petrochemical industry.

People let's not loose sight of the big picture: this is a disaster which took at least 11 lives and tramatized many more people. Yes, it is terrible that the much desired oil that we all use will hurt the wildlife and environment, but will eventually be cleaned up. Then the men and women that risk their lives daily to help provide us reasonable priced petrochemical products can resume their jobs.

Really? You sure about about that????

Hmmmm, I'm not convinced.

Twenty-one years after the Exxon Valdez spill, a crew went back and dug 9,000 holes in the Alaska shoreline and oil was found IN MORE THAN HALF. (Link to story (http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/04/30/exxon-valdez-spill-remembered/).) Researchers believe that the oil will still be there HUNDREDS OF YEARS from now. And that was after a 4 year cleanup of what was mostly rocks and pebbles. The Gulf Coast beaches are sand beaches. How the hell do you clean sand????? The sad truth is, you can't.

Color me heartless, but the sympathy and empathy I had for the workers of that rig dissipated as soon I heard there was a leak ... or two ... or three!

"Risking their lives"? Have you ever been on a rig? My next-door neighbor's husband works off-shore on a rig 2 weeks a month and he says the work is hard but the money and perks are phenomenal. And not once in all the years I've known him (4), has he ever said he was doing this so that "Joe Public" could have cheaper gas. He does it for the pay and the fact that he's home 2 weeks a month.

Thanks you! Unless you live on the coast, you don't understand how many people make their livelihood off of oil production and how at risk they are everyday. Every aspect of our lives will be affected by this - wildlife, industry, tourism, recreation, food production, everything. And all of us benefit in some way by the petrochemical industry.

Really? You sure about about that????

Hmmmm, I'm not convinced.

Twenty-one years after the Exxon Valdez spill, a crew went back and dug 9,000 holes in the Alaska shoreline and oil was found IN MORE THAN HALF. (Link to story (http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/04/30/exxon-valdez-spill-remembered/).) Researchers believe that the oil will still be there HUNDREDS OF YEARS from now. And that was after a 4 year cleanup of what was mostly rocks and pebbles. The Gulf Coast beaches are sand beaches. How the hell do you clean sand????? The sad truth is, you can't.

Color me heartless, but the sympathy and empathy I had for the workers of that rig dissipated as soon I heard there was a leak ... or two ... or three!

"Risking their lives"? Have you ever been on a rig? My next-door neighbor's husband works off-shore on a rig 2 weeks a month and he says the work is hard but the money and perks are phenomenal. And not once in all the years I've known him (4), has he ever said he was doing this so that "Joe Public" could have cheaper gas. He does it for the pay and the fact that he's home 2 weeks a month.

Working on a rig is fairly safe. Working on some of the vessels offshore and doing the deepsea work is very, very dangerous. I almost lost a friend a month ago (he is the captain of a jack up rig) when the jacks on the vessel malfunctioned. His partner at work, his beloved dog was lost but fortunately every person on the vessel was recovered safely. We have a LOT of people that get injured working offshore and a TON more that get injured even just working in the shipyard. My office is directly next to the safety guy for our company - plus I was in a long relationship with a guy who works offshore and have plenty of friends who work in Africa and Trinidad and let me tell you - it isn't "safe" work per se.

Yes, someone starting out in the oilfield, even as a low level technician will make at least $60,000 a year, captains and what not make upwards of $150,000. BUT - that means working a ton of holidays, missing their kids grow up and not seeing their wives. Yes, it is their choice, but someone has to do the job to allow us to have oil.

Yes, someone starting out in the oilfield, even as a low level technician will make at least $60,000 a year, captains and what not make upwards of $150,000. BUT - that means working a ton of holidays, missing their kids grow up and not seeing their wives. Yes, it is their choice, but someone has to do the job to allow us to have oil.

Must be nice. My husband has worked tons of holidays, missed birthdays, anniversaries, etc., in the 18 years we have been married. The military doesn't pay him nearly that much and as an added "bonus", we get sub-standard healthcare. :whee:

But I digress.

This spill didn't have to happen and all the money in the world isn't going to "fix" the coastline after this mess comes ashore.

Must be nice. My husband has worked tons of holidays, missed birthdays, anniversaries, etc., in the 18 years we have been married. The military doesn't pay him nearly that much and as an added "bonus", we get sub-standard healthcare. :whee:

But I digress.

This spill didn't have to happen and all the money in the world isn't going to "fix" the coastline after this mess comes ashore.

I never said I agreed with the pay. There are plenty of people such as military personnel, police officers, firefighters, teachers who deserve to make a lot more than someone who sits in an office on a safe vessel in air conditioning dictating to people what they need to do.

The spill didn't have to happen, but it did, and there isn't anything that can be done about it now. It's not like someone woke up and said, "hmmm...it's been a while since Exxon Valdez, let's have an oil spill today!!" It was a tragedy.

MSGAL -

Yes, after working about 10 years on a drillship offshore, I do know how dangerous rig work is. Unfortunately, it isn't the 1st time that a multiple lives have been lost near me. We lost a helo full of men a few years ago. I'm also familar with the military, retiring from the USN in subs after about 21 years. I'd be out on the rigs now, if not for the cancer that is throughout my abdominal cavity and believed to be from the radiation I received while serving on subs.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/2010/05/fire-in-the-gulf-new-pictures-of-the-deepwater-horizon.php?img=1#

USA's Chernobyl

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/2010/05/fire-in-the-gulf-new-pictures-of-the-deepwater-horizon.php?img=1#

Those boats are part of the fleet of the company I work with. They busted ass and risked their lives to make sure those guys were safe and the fire was as controlled as possible.

"It turns out, by the way, that oil rigs today generally don’t cause spills. They are technologically very advanced."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm8gLmuTvJ4

Speaking at a battery company in Charlotte, North Carolina, President Barack Obama falsely claims that Hurricane Katrina didn't cause any offshore spills. In fact, there were 124 offshore spills for a total of 743,700 gallons, including six major spills. Obama's defense of offshore drilling's safety came just twenty days before one of the worst offshore oil rig disasters in US history.

"Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists, between those who would claim drilling is a cure-all and those who would claim it has no place."

During worst ecological oil disaster in nation's history, President Obama says it's "premature" to...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/gibbs-premature-for-obama_n_561313.html
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=2366

Really? You sure about about that????

Hmmmm, I'm not convinced.

Twenty-one years after the Exxon Valdez spill, a crew went back and dug 9,000 holes in the Alaska shoreline and oil was found IN MORE THAN HALF. (Link to story (http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/04/30/exxon-valdez-spill-remembered/).) Researchers believe that the oil will still be there HUNDREDS OF YEARS from now. And that was after a 4 year cleanup of what was mostly rocks and pebbles. The Gulf Coast beaches are sand beaches. How the hell do you clean sand????? The sad truth is, you can't.



The first time I heard that my thought was how terrible it sounds. Then the more I heard it I started thinking about it. If the same crew went to the same place and just observed the sight what would they find? Sure, they dug 9,000 holes in the ground and found some oil. I would be more interested in knowing what is still being negatively affected from the spill. Now if they went up there and found the beaches still covered in oil and there was still a visible sheen on the water and dead fish washing up on shore it would be a terrible thing. Before they dug those 9,000 holes was there any indication that it was there?

I'm sure there are some lasting effects from the spill but I bet in general, thanks to the clean-up efforts and nature itself, things are probably working themselves back to normal. Most likely, even if that same oil is still there a hundred years from now there will be no signs that it is hurting anything on the surface.

Not to downplay the Exxon Valdez spill or the current one--they are both horrible tragedies. But nature can and will recover from it in time. Sadly a lot of people will be hurt along the way.

I wonder what these chemicals are doing to the sea life. At least the oil floats to the surface and we could clean it up. What happens to the chemicals in the water? :scratchh:



:crylol: :roll:

Oil is a natural resource, eventually the Earth will absorb it up, it will just take time. Everything that makes up Earth will eventually go back to Earth in its own way.

Must be nice. My husband has worked tons of holidays, missed birthdays, anniversaries, etc., in the 18 years we have been married. The military doesn't pay him nearly that much and as an added "bonus", we get sub-standard healthcare. :whee:

But I digress.

This spill didn't have to happen and all the money in the world isn't going to "fix" the coastline after this mess comes ashore.


I'm sorry you feel the military pay is unfair. I will agree. Your husband has chosen his career path, he could have chosen a job in the oilfield just as easily. The military is dangerous, but the oilfield is a very dangerous working enviroment too. Just walking on the deck or shipyard is a threat to their lives, it is not unusual to have a crane drop something or something fall crushing someone. These are very laborous jobs that are not recognized or rewarded often, there are many risks to the job and much time is spent away from their families for travel and safety reasons. They do not get discounts for food for wearing a uniform or buy groceries at a special merchant for special treatment discount. They work for every dime they earn, so if you think it is unfair for an entry level position to pay $60k a year to sweep the deck then you need to look at the risks. Again, I agree the military personnel is under paid, but the men and woman know the risks and the pay before dedicating themselves to fight for the oil that both parties risk their lives for.

I'm sorry you feel the military pay is unfair. I will agree. Your husband has chosen his career path, he could have chosen a job in the oilfield just as easily. The military is dangerous, but the oilfield is a very dangerous working enviroment too. Just walking on the deck or shipyard is a threat to their lives, it is not unusual to have a crane drop something or something fall crushing someone. These are very laborous jobs that are not recognized or rewarded often, there are many risks to the job and much time is spent away from their families for travel and safety reasons. They do not get discounts for food for wearing a uniform or buy groceries at a special merchant for special treatment discount. They work for every dime they earn, so if you think it is unfair for an entry level position to pay $60k a year to sweep the deck then you need to look at the risks. Again, I agree the military personnel is under paid, but the men and woman know the risks and the pay before dedicating themselves to fight for the oil that both parties risk their lives for.


Ummm ... where do YOU live that military get discounted food? :huh: Nowhere around here does that. :shake: I get a 15% discount at Walgreen's on Tuesdays with my ID and we (sometimes) get a 10% discount on hotel rates when we travel. Our food prices at the Commissary are lower on about half the products I buy and there's no tax but they do tack on a 5% "surcharge" at the end. Call it what it is ... a tax.

But again, this is not a pissing contest about who should/does make more or who takes more risks. This is about the oil spill and the devastation headed our way.

AND the people that have absolutely no idea that a spill even happened. I met another one this afternoon. :facepalm:

Our food prices at the Commissary are lower on about half the products I buy and there's no tax but they do tack on a 5% "surcharge" at the end. Call it what it is ... a tax.



I don't know what the prices are like these days but when I was married my wife used to go to the PX at the air force base with her father (who was in the National Guard) and mother to shop. The price difference on groceries was incredible back then compared to the local supermarkets. I honestly don't remember if there was a tax or surcharge at the time but I wouldn't be surprised.

Eventually when Clinton got in office and started raping the military the base was closed and I don't believe the National Guard or Army Reserve in the area had any other options for discounts unless it was done by individual stores.

Your user name makes a lot more sense to us now

:lmao:

USA's Chernobyl

This is by no means on the level on Chernobyl. Please don't compare it to that. This might be the largest ecological disaster that may happen to us for many many many years to come.....but this by no means killed tens of thousands of people (only 50 were officially killed according to the Russians from the direct impact, but 270,000 cancers and 93,000 fatal cancer were caused by the aftermath..).

This explosion only killed 11 people and yes sea life by the hundreds of thousands over the coming years..but when considering human life, it is no where near the scale of what Chernobyl was.

We also need to remember that this was just ONE that exploded among the thousands available out there..it could have been a helluva lot worse...

I don't know what the prices are like these days but when I was married my wife used to go to the PX at the air force base with her father (who was in the National Guard) and mother to shop. The price difference on groceries was incredible back then compared to the local supermarkets. I honestly don't remember if there was a tax or surcharge at the time but I wouldn't be surprised.

Yeah, there is a surcharge now. They say that the money is used to pay staff (not baggers), and for building maintenance, etc. It's 5% here and if I shop in town (Walmart, Winn-Dixie), the tax on groceries is 7%. Meat products are ALOT cheaper at the Commissary but I don't buy alot of meat so..... :P Dairy also tends to be less but for chips, cookies, sodas, cereal, things like that, they are often the same or more as I would pay in town. Fruits & vegetables are less but they are also low quality. I can't remember the last time we got decent melons or apples at the Comm.

This is by no means on the level on Chernobyl. Please don't compare it to that. This might be the largest ecological disaster that may happen to us for many many many years to come.....but this by no means killed tens of thousands of people (only 50 were officially killed according to the Russians from the direct impact, but 270,000 cancers and 93,000 fatal cancer were caused by the aftermath..).

This explosion only killed 11 people and yes sea life by the hundreds of thousands over the coming years..but when considering human life, it is no where near the scale of what Chernobyl was.

We also need to remember that this was just ONE that exploded among the thousands available out there..it could have been a helluva lot worse...

You can't say that it WON'T kill hundreds or thousands of people in the years to come because dispersants are chemicals with risks that have not been assessed yet. :dontknow:

Those chemicals will be in the food chain, the water, the sand that children play in........

I wonder what the likelihood is that something like this could happen as a purely natural disaster. Obviously at the rate this well is leaking the oil in the ground must be under some pretty high pressure. With all of the earthquakes that have been happening lately what is to say that one couldn't happen under the ocean right where one of these oil pockets is and fracture the ground above it, releasing the oil into the ocean?

I'm sure there are probably plenty of reasons beyond my knowledge level that would make this unlikely to happen but it does seem like it would be at least a possibility. And if it did happen I imagine it would be almost impossible to stop a leak like that.

dont care. natural selection survival of the fittest

dont care. natural selection survival of the fittest
huh?:confused:

dont care. natural selection survival of the fittest

:mad::chairbas::annoyed::bash::numchuck::censord2::bonk:

:banned:

I just can't figure out why they haven't figured how to at least stop it from leaking while repairs are made to the rig. It's just a sad situation for everybody.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/29/stopping.oil.leak/index.html

You can't say that it WON'T kill hundreds or thousands of people in the years to come because dispersants are chemicals with risks that have not been assessed yet. :dontknow:

Those chemicals will be in the food chain, the water, the sand that children play in........

And so is every other toxin used in your household like dioxins and APEs etc. They all flow into the water cycle as well. The chemicals in cleaning products are responsible for thousands of injuries each year, and account for 10% of calls to U.S. Poison Control Centers.

...so while I'm not saying there might not be a threat..there probably isn't going to be one detrimental enough that isn't already part of our society. Dispersant was also used the Exxon-Valdez spill from 1989 and I haven't seen cancer rates shoot up from that one specific incident.

Besides sea life, this explosion is 0-to-nil on the impact of people in the area honestly. People will move on with their lives and will become aware of the areas that are now toxic...people in Chernobyl couldn't. The entire city and the surrounding area was tortured and to this day, radiation levels are still extremely high. It is still a ghost area and won't be able to be reclaimed by humans for decades..maybe even centuries..

dont care. i am american

fixed
The media will move on with their lives and will become aware of that this story is no longer interesting...

fixed

Besides sea life, this explosion is 0-to-nil on the impact of people in the area honestly. ..

:roll:

you have no clue what you are talking about, none

Besides sea life, this explosion is 0-to-nil on the impact of people in the area honestly. .

:roll:

you have no clue what you are talking about, none

Dzap ... love ya', but I have to agree with LR here.

This will put a bite on tourism dollars unlike any of us have ever seen. I grew up in FL and tourists return after a hurricane. Heck, they return after 2 or 3 hurricanes in one year. The shrimp, oysters and fish come back and it's completely edible. People can rebuild in a matter of months from a hurricane.

This spill could DEVASTATE the Panhandle beaches, Gulf Shores, Orange Beach, Perdido, BOTH areas of the Gulf Islands National Seashores, the beaches in Mississippi...

It could have a GLOBAL effect on seafood availablilty and prices. Tourists will NOT come back to these areas if they can't swim in the water, play in the sand and especially if they have to smell petroleum in the air and get tar balls on their feet when they walk on the beach. Ever visited a beach off the East Coast of Texas? I lived in Corpus for a year and let me just say UGH!!! Smells bad, looks bad and there's tar everywhere.

This will affect soooo many people. Shimpers/fisherman, beach house/condo/restauant owners, servers, cooks, hotels, hotel staff, shopping centers, souvenior stores, gas stations, grocery stores, seafood markets......

Thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Who knows for sure. :dontknow:

Mississippi beaches are already filthy, even Ship Island. Only old people go there & it's not for the beach anyway. You can't find any decent beaches until you reach Pensacola which is still halfway crappy.

Mississippi beaches are already filthy, even Ship Island. Only old people go there & it's not for the beach anyway. You can't find any decent beaches until you reach Pensacola which is still halfway crappy.

Ray ever been to Ft. Morgan ? It is stunning... first stop on the east side of the bay

Mississippi beaches are already filthy, even Ship Island. Only old people go there & it's not for the beach anyway. You can't find any decent beaches until you reach Pensacola which is still halfway crappy.

While I agree that MS beaches aren't great, they don't look anything like Texas ... yet. Gulf Shores, AL (the area AWAY from the condos--West Beach), is absolutely gorgeous. Pensacola Beach (although crowded and overrun with condos) still has the white sands and clear water. Navarre Beach is still beautiful. And the Gulf Islands National Seashores? (Ft. Morgan and Ft. Pickens). Pristine.

Ray ever been to Ft. Morgan ? It is stunning... first stop on the east side of the bay

Nope, but I've been to Dauphin Island & that's enough to make me go all the way to Florida. All of that water is comin out of Mobile Bay which is the toilet bowl of that entire state.

I was about to post what beaches have you been to MsGal cause I don't think Missishitty had any beaches I'd want to go back to...

I'd like to point out, they're saying that by tomorrow the oil will likely have hit the Loop Current and will begin its journey out to the Atlantic. This is a global disaster if that happens.

So--and please understand I mean this in all sincerity & with an honest will to help--what can I do?

I mean, apart from being angry that this happened, and sad about the consequences?

It's great that you want people to be aware of this but at the end of the day, what are you suggesting any of us do once we know?

Nope, but I've been to Dauphin Island & that's enough to make me go all the way to Florida. All of that water is comin out of Mobile Bay which is the toilet bowl of that entire state.

Dauphin Island and Gulf Shores aren't even apples and oranges. That's like apples and ..... and .... shoes!!!!

While I agree that MS beaches aren't great, they don't look anything like Texas ... yet. Gulf Shores, AL (the area AWAY from the condos--West Beach), is absolutely gorgeous. Pensacola Beach (although crowded and overrun with condos) still has the white sands and clear water. Navarre Beach is still beautiful. And the Gulf Islands National Seashores? (Ft. Morgan and Ft. Pickens). Pristine.

Texas beaches are a joke. I'd go to Biloxi before ever goin to Corpus Christi or Gavleston.

While I agree that MS beaches aren't great, they don't look anything like Texas ... yet.

this is true. on one hand i hope the slick doesn't make it over to texas...on the other hand, i don't see it making the beaches here too much worse.

until you get to south padre the beaches are crap.

Nope, but I've been to Dauphin Island & that's enough to make me go all the way to Florida. All of that water is comin out of Mobile Bay which is the toilet bowl of that entire state.

there is a resort community in Ft. Morgan with NOTHING around it called The Beach Club (http://www.beachclubal.com/)that is 2nd nicest Gulf Coast Resort 2nd only to Water Color (http://www.watercolorresort.com/)

I'd like to point out, they're saying that by tomorrow the oil will likely have hit the Loop Current and will begin its journey out to the Atlantic. This is a global disaster if that happens.

If that happens (big "if", but it could), yes, it will be ........

I can't even mentally go there. :sadwalk:

So--and please understand I mean this in all sincerity & with an honest will to help--what can I do?

I mean, apart from being angry that this happened, and sad about the consequences?

It's great that you want people to be aware of this but at the end of the day, what are you suggesting any of us do once we know?

Thank you, VQ. Well prefaced. :hug:

There will be little things that people everywhere can do. If this begins to affect the birds, Dawn dish liquid is the number one thing that will be requested. It works wonderfully at removing oil from feathers.

Also, people can donate money or their time, if they live or will be in the area. Haz-mat classes began 2 days ago in Pensacola.

More than anything, people just need to pay attention when things like this happen. The worst part of a tragedy is to not even know that a tragedy exists. Ignorance breeds complacency. And complacency is a dangerous thing.

OK but I ain't scrubbin' no 'gators! :nono:

OK but I ain't scrubbin' no 'gators! :nono:

:roll: :roll: :roll:



Oh, I needed that.

:hug:

there is a resort community in Ft. Morgan with NOTHING around it called The Beach Club (http://www.beachclubal.com/)that is 2nd nicest Gulf Coast Resort 2nd only to Water Color (http://www.watercolorresort.com/)

Hell, those look really nice. Have any idea what it's like there in late summer? Well, maybe not this summer if there's all that oil out there.

Dauphin Island and Gulf Shores aren't even apples and oranges. That's like apples and ..... and .... shoes!!!!

all I remember about Dauphin Island was those man-eatin jellyfish all over the place.

If that happens (big "if", but it could), yes, it will be ........

I can't even mentally go there. :sadwalk:

Umm, from what I've seen, it's about 72 hours from being big enough of a spill there won't be an "if" but more of a "let's start betting on when it hits the UK"

How complicated is it to just plug the damn hole up'??

http://media.nola.com/2010_gulf_oil_spill/photo/beneaththeoilslickjpg-26ae69ad5b2d305c_large.jpg

Hell, those look really nice. Have any idea what it's like there in late summer? Well, maybe not this summer if there's all that oil out there.

yea, we went to ft morgan last sept...you can get a condo from vrbo.com ...i'd recommend taking the ferry for fun

yea, we went to ft morgan last sept...you can get a condo from vrbo.com ...i'd recommend taking the ferry for fun

thanks for the link, I'd rep you for it but all your posts are too damn old

How complicated is it to just plug the damn hole up'??



I'm assuming it would be like trying to shut Pelosi up ... impossible.

yea, we went to ft morgan last sept...you can get a condo from vrbo.com ...i'd recommend taking the ferry for fun

We were there in June and August of last year. We got a house through VRBO. :highfive:

thanks for the link, I'd rep you for it but all your posts are too damn old


A complimentary post? From Nagin????? :eek:


Somebody call Hell and see if it froze over. :nono:

thanks for the link, I'd rep you for it but all your posts are too damn old

damn, thats pretty bad

I heard on the radio this afternoon that they had either stopped one of the three leaks (or were about to stop one of them at least) by cutting off the end of the pipe and installing a valve which could then be shut off.

If they can do that I wonder why they can't just cut the pipe off above the blowout preventer and do the same thing which would stop all of the leaks at once. :scratch:

OK but I ain't scrubbin' no 'gators! :nono:

Come on...gators need love too! :kissgrin:

I'm assuming it would be like trying to shut Pelosi up ... impossible.



:
:roll:

if they can do that I wonder why they can't just cut the pipe off above the blowout preventer and do the same thing which would stop all of the leaks at once. :scratch:

I don't know but now some guy from BP this morning said that it could ALOT worse ... up to 2.1 million gallons PER DAY! :eek:

WTF????

Got this email from Sen. David Vitter this morning. Info on how to get help or give help. Let's be adults and not send lame suggestions to the address about ways to clean up the spill:shake:

Dear Friend,

Our office has received a significant number of calls and e-mails from people all over the country wanting to help or get involved in cleanup efforts for the oil spill in the Gulf. Also, we are working to stay on top of BP as the situation is assessed and trying to ensure that BP complies with its responsibility to stay involved and assist as many affected Louisiana constituents as possible. There are two program updates that fishermen and other affected parties need to be aware of.

1. Claims: BP has initiated a program to assist those affected parties who can claim lost wages or other income due to the spill. Full details of the program are not yet available, but BP has indicated that they want to get restitution into the hands of affected parties. At minimum, it is important that affected Louisiana families and individuals get a claim number by calling the hotline: 1-800-440-0858.

1. Vessel of Opportunity: We wanted to inform you that BP has established a new Vessel of Opportunity line for those wishing to offer their vessels for service. The prior e-mail contacts and hotline were overwhelmed by those wanting to help. The new number is 281-366-5511. The new e-mail address is HorizonSupport@OEGLLC.com. Vessel owners will need to provide details about their vessel, including the name, owner, horsepower, length, draft, etc.

Other Pertinent Information:

* To report oiled wildlife, please call 1-866-557-1401 and leave a message. Messages will be checked hourly.

* To discuss spill related damage, please call 1-800-440-0858.

* To report oiled shoreline, please call 1-866-448-5816.

* To request volunteer information, please call 1-866-448-5816.

* To contribute an idea or offer resources to the cleanup efforts please submit all relevant information to horizonresponse@piersystem.com.

*To submit an alternative response technology, services or products please email horizonsupport@oegllc.com or call 281-366-5511.

* For the latest information visit www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com or follow us on Twitter at http://twitter.com/Oil_Spill_2010 or on Facebook at Deepwater Horizon Response.

* For members of the media needing more information regarding the Deepwater Horizon incident, contact the joint information center at 985-902-5231/5240.

If you're a Louisiana constituent affected by this spill and have concerns that BP is not committing enough resources or providing access to the claims program or the Vessel of Opportunity program, please call our hotline at 1-866-345-0931. If you do not receive an answer at that number, please call my Metairie office's direct line at 504-589-2753.

"NOAA's views were largely brushed aside as Obama went ahead and announced on March 31 that he would open vast swaths of American coastal waters to offshore drilling..."

NOAA Warned Interior It Was Underestimating Threat Of Serious Spill
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/noaa-warned-interior-was_n_561615.html

Gibbs: 'Premature' For Obama To Change Position On Offshore Drilling
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/gibbs-premature-for-obama_n_561313.html

("Premature" to change back to the adamantly anti-drilling position he once held...)

I heard on the radio this afternoon that they had either stopped one of the three leaks (or were about to stop one of them at least) by cutting off the end of the pipe and installing a valve which could then be shut off.

If they can do that I wonder why they can't just cut the pipe off above the blowout preventer and do the same thing which would stop all of the leaks at once. :scratch:

Why can't they screw on a huge ball valve on the pipe?

Why can't they screw on a huge ball valve on the pipe?

Because this whole thing was caused by and is being handled by men. They are behind every premature eruption. :annoyed:

If a woman had been in charge of this, that pipe would have been emasculated into dormancy within minutes.

Because this whole thing was caused by and is being handled by men. They are behind every premature eruption. :annoyed:

If a woman had been in charge of this, that pipe would have been emasculated into dormancy within minutes.

So true and without breaking a nail.:nod:

So true and without breaking a nail.:nod:

Amen. :highfive:

that's true ladies...

what are you waiting for? go find the world's biggest tampon and stick it in the hole.

Too absorbent...we on the Gulf Coast would like some water left.

that's true ladies...

what are you waiting for? go find the world's biggest tampon and stick it in the hole.

Actually .... that's not a bad idea. :scratch:

:lol:

I would certainly hate to meet the woman who could wear one that big!:hide:

Interesting read.

Link (http://www.naturalnews.com/028749_Gulf_of_Mexico_oil_spill.html)

Interesting read.

Link (http://www.naturalnews.com/028749_Gulf_of_Mexico_oil_spill.html)

As much as BP and big oil may be underplaying the event, I think your link is overplaying it. I think the truth is somewhere between the two extremes. If I am wrong and it is an extinction level event, feel free to say "I told you so". :D

Of course BP is downplaying the damage. They're not wanting to be sued by every individual state for billions in reparations.

They're only on the hook for $75M according to the Feds. Should any of the oil spill hit Florida, our wonderful CFO has decided to proclaim publicly she will go after BP for every penny, because they didn't respond to her inquiries the way she wanted.

I'm still concerned with the loop current. It's getting ever closer to the oil, and would bring utter disaster to all of this state's great beaches (except maybe Desoto... We can't ever get anything to proclaim that beach crappy for some reason).

As much as BP and big oil may be underplaying the event, I think your link is overplaying it.


I agree. But I did find it interesting. :D

From that article...
so far seems to be no human-engineered way of stopping it (short of setting off an underground nuclear bomb near the well site).



Umm don't we have a few of those to spare?



Maybe they can get Red Adair over there to snuff that thing out. He's done well with the oil fields when they spew out of control.

According to that article we just induced much needed population control.

What tree hugging hippie writes that garbage? This is insane and retarded. Did the Exxon Valdez spill ruin the planet?

According to that article we just induced much needed population control.

What tree hugging hippie writes that garbage? This is insane and retarded. Did the Exxon Valdez spill ruin the planet?

Nope ... only the areas affected by it.

Hmmmmmmm........ :bulb:

Nope ... only the areas affected by it.

Hmmmmmmm........ :bulb:

Yeah - completely ruined. Except that Scientific American magazine said that it may take longer than expected, up to 30 years for the environment there to recover. I'm pretty sure it didn't destroy 90% of the life on the planet. The stupidity behind all of this is astounding. People talk about how bad this is and how we need to quit drilling. Here is the issue though - people think only of oil and gasoline for their vehicles. They don't think of Bandaids, antihistamines, candles, contact lenses, denture adhesive, paint - these are all things that many people never take in to consideration. The computer you are typing on - petroleum products. We will never stop drilling, the only issue now is that there is going to be more training, more precautions and the cost of gas is going to go up. In a couple of years, this will be a memory and the Gulf Coast will be on it's way to recovering from what everyone fears is going to happen, but hasn't happened yet.

Yeah - completely ruined. Except that Scientific American magazine said that it may take longer than expected, up to 30 years for the environment there to recover. I'm pretty sure it didn't destroy 90% of the life on the planet. The stupidity behind all of this is astounding. People talk about how bad this is and how we need to quit drilling. Here is the issue though - people think only of oil and gasoline for their vehicles. They don't think of Bandaids, antihistamines, candles, contact lenses, denture adhesive, paint - these are all things that many people never take in to consideration. The computer you are typing on - petroleum products. We will never stop drilling, the only issue now is that there is going to be more training, more precautions and the cost of gas is going to go up. In a couple of years, this will be a memory and the Gulf Coast will be on it's way to recovering from what everyone fears is going to happen, but hasn't happened yet.

Well of course we can't stop drilling. But how about we spend more time and money on finding alternative energy sources? And in the meantime, open up ANWR.

I'm sorry, but if it's a choice between the caribou in no-man's-land and the beaches, wildlife and sealife in my own "backyward", I pick saving MY backyard every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Caribou be damned.

the answer lies on craigslist.

http://galveston.craigslist.org/bfs/1745106262.html

Hmm, it took a bit longer than expected, but the oil's make contact with the Loop current.

Just great, now no more Key West coral, and the east coast beaches- the ones I actually like- are gonna get fit.

fark you, BP.

Oil is moving with the Loop Current. :whee:

Oh, and BP announced today they've been lying their asses off about how much oil is spilling.

An Oceanography professor from FSU called them out on it a couple days ago. The professor in question teaches a class I'll be taking in Fall 2011 :whee:

I've been buying gas at the BP station since the spill. I figure they need the cash flow to be able to clean up the spill :whee:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill Guess they're trying something new.

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html live feed of spill, which is at the moment being plugged with mud.

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html live feed of spill, which is at the moment being plugged with mud.

it's a loop!!! :nono1:

but, seriously, it looks worse. top kill fail?

it's a loop!!! :nono1:

but, seriously, it looks worse. top kill fail?

prolly is a loop and they probably just update the loop lol.

I doubt it's gonna work. The pressure is insane but they say they got tons of pressure as well to shove that mud in there...

can we blow it up and see what happens next?

I don't understand why they don't just collapse the damned thing with explosives, other than the fact that they want to save the well for getting the oil out later. Asshats! :ranting:

I don't understand why they don't just collapse the damned thing with explosives, other than the fact that they want to save the well for getting the oil out later. Asshats! :ranting:
:iagree:

I don't understand why they don't just collapse the damned thing with explosives, other than the fact that they want to save the well for getting the oil out later. Asshats! :ranting:

Well, it's a mile down for one.

And it's also not guaranteed that explosives won't just fark up the mess even more. Are you an engineer?

And it's also not guaranteed that explosives won't just fark up the mess even more. Are you an engineer?

Course not, that's why everyone thinks there is a simple solution.

Still not convinced that BP is at fault? Read THIS (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704026204575266560930780190.html).

*snip*

By BEN CASSELMAN And RUSSELL GOLD
It was a difficult drill from the start.

API Well No. 60-817-44169 threw up many challenges to its principal owner, BP PLC, swallowing expensive drilling fluid and burping out dangerous gas. Those woes put the Gulf of Mexico project over budget and behind schedule by April 20, the day the well erupted, destroying the Deepwater Horizon rig and killing 11 men.

Government investigators have yet to announce conclusions about what went wrong that day. The final step in the causation chain, industry engineers have said in interviews, was most likely the failure of a crucial seal at the top of the well or a cement plug at the bottom.

But neither scenario explains the whole story. A Wall Street Journal investigation provides the most complete account so far of the fateful decisions that preceded the blast. BP made choices over the course of the project that rendered this well more vulnerable to the blowout, which unleashed a spew of crude oil that engineers are struggling to stanch.

BP, for instance, cut short a procedure involving drilling fluid that is designed to detect gas in the well and remove it before it becomes a problem, according to documents belonging to BP and to the drilling rig's owner and operator, Transocean Ltd.

BP also skipped a quality test of the cement around the pipe—another buffer against gas—despite what BP now says were signs of problems with the cement job and despite a warning from cement contractor Halliburton Co.

Once gas was rising, the design and procedures BP had chosen for the well likely gave this perilous gas an easier path up and out, say well-control experts. There was little keeping the gas from rushing up to the surface after workers, pushing to finish the job, removed a critical safeguard, the heavy drilling fluid known as "mud." BP has admitted a possible "fundamental mistake" in concluding that it was safe to proceed with mud removal, according to a memo from two Congressmen released Tuesday night.

Finally, a BP manager overseeing final well tests apparently had scant experience in deep-water drilling. He told investigators he was on the rig to "learn about deep water," according to notes of an interview with him seen by the Journal.

Some of these decisions were approved by the U.S. Interior Department's Minerals Management Service, which has come under fire for what President Obama has called its "cozy relationship" with the oil industry. But in at least one case, the decision made apparently diverged from a plan MMS approved. MMS declined to comment.

Some of BP's choices allowed it to minimize costly delays. "We were behind schedule already," said Tyrone Benton, a technician who operated underwater robots and worked for a subcontractor. He said that on the day before the accident, a Monday, managers "hoped we'd be finished by that Friday.... But it seemed like they were pushing to finish it before Friday."

Remainder of story at WSJ

And whose fault is it that BP was allowed to do anything to the well they did not own?

I find this part particularly damning:

Just two things then stood between the rig and an explosive mixture of gas and oil. One was the heavy drilling mud. The other was the blowout preventer near the sea floor. But the BOP had various problems, among them some leaking hydraulics.

By 8 p.m., BP was satisfied with the test and had enough confidence to proceed. It was this that may have been "a fundamental mistake," a BP official told congressional staffers Tuesday, according to the memo from two members of Congress.

Following BP's instruction, Transocean workers turned to replacing the mud with seawater, according to Coast Guard interviews with Mr. Kaluza and Donald Vidrine, the top BP official on the rig. Removing the mud keeps it from polluting the sea but also means there's less weight to hold down any gas.

The true fault lies with the "green" nutjobs that fought to keep oil drilling from happening where such spills could be easily stopped and contained. They succeed in keeping oil companies from drilling on land and then force them to deeper and deeper water for their offshore drilling.

Had this accident occurred on land the well would have been capped possibly within hours, certainly within a day or two in a worst case scenario and the long-term effects of the oil would be almost zero. If it had occurred in shallow water the leaking oil also would have been stopped much sooner as divers would be able to reach the problem area.

The true fault lies with the "green" nutjobs that fought to keep oil drilling from happening where such spills could be easily stopped and contained.


You mean the same asshats that want to keep us out of ANWR? :iagree:

like they wouldn't drill there anyway even if we permitted more drilling on land. i'd prefer this sort of thing to happen in the gulf, where i live, than in the anwr.

like they wouldn't drill there anyway even if we permitted more drilling on land. i'd prefer this sort of thing to happen in the gulf, where i live, than in the anwr.

Have any reasoning for that that makes any sense?

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Iaaaiws/AlaskaAnwar.jpg

i'd prefer this sort of thing to happen in the gulf, where i live, than in the anwr.

:crazy:

Have any reasoning for that that makes any sense?

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Iaaaiws/AlaskaAnwar.jpg
it's about leaving some place (relatively) untouched. the gulf has already had it's ecosystem irrevocably changed by man (primarily through overfishing, but also by waste from shipping). the oil spill is obviously going to cover an area larger than...maybe all of alaska eventually, but that area is already damaged goods in a sesne.

:crazy:
out of sight, out of mind. it's all good as long as it's not happening in my back yard, huh?

it's about leaving some place (relatively) untouched. the gulf has already had it's ecosystem irrevocably changed by man (primarily through overfishing, but also by waste from shipping). the oil spill is obviously going to cover an area larger than...maybe all of alaska eventually, but that area is already damaged goods in a sesne.


out of sight, out of mind. it's all good as long as it's not happening in my back yard, huh?

I'm gonna make up a statistic here, but I bet out of 100,000 people that would bitch about drilling in ANWR probably not more than 2 or 3 of them will ever go there in there entire lifetime. And those 2 or 3 would see that there would be virtually no detrimental effects caused by the drilling for oil.

I'm gonna make up a statistic here, but I bet out of 100,000 people that would bitch about drilling in ANWR probably not more than 2 or 3 of them will ever go there in there entire lifetime. And those 2 or 3 would see that there would be virtually no detrimental effects caused by the drilling for oil.
it's cool you're making up statistics and all, and i'ma let you finish, but my point is that not many people go there and it should be kept that way.

it's cool you're making up statistics and all, and i'ma let you finish, but my point is that not many people go there and it should be kept that way.

As I asked above, do you have any reasoning that makes sense? :lol:

it's cool you're making up statistics and all, and i'ma let you finish, but my point is that not many people go there and it should be kept that way.

Yeah, 'cause Lord knows, we wouldn't want to screw up the view for the caribou. :crazy:

As I asked above, do you have any reasoning that makes sense? :lol:
i stated it. who cares if you don't like it.
Yeah, 'cause Lord knows, we wouldn't want to screw up the view for the caribou. :crazy:
you're really telling on yourself. you're just mad because this happened in your own backyard. just because it could have potentially happened away from you, or any human, doesn't make it any less of a problem.

.... just because it could have potentially happened away from you, or any human, doesn't make it any less of a problem.

I couldn't agree more. And that's why we need to "get off oil" completely! But until that happens, yes, I am waaaay more pissed off about what is happening on the Gulf Coast and to THOSE people and to THOSE animals and THAT environment than I would be had this happened in ANWR, where the people population is what .... nil?

And the Gulf Coast may be my home but I'd be just as angry if this happened off the east or west coast of the U.S. It didn't have to happen. It should not have happened. At all. Ever. Period.

I couldn't agree more. And that's why we need to "get off oil" completely! But until that happens, yes, I am waaaay more pissed off about what is happening on the Gulf Coast and to THOSE people and to THOSE animals and THAT environment than I would be had this happened in ANWR, where the people population is what .... nil?

And the Gulf Coast may be my home but I'd be just as angry if this happened off the east or west coast of the U.S. It didn't have to happen. It should not have happened. At all. Ever. Period.
well i guess our difference in opinion comes down to this. you would rather this happen in a place where no people would be affected. i'd rather it happen in a place that's already been exploited by people.

For anyone who thinks cleaning the oil off a seabird or marine animal saves them, think again. This otter pup survived the Valdez oil spill and was kept from that point on at the Seattle Aquarium, so no repeat exposure to the toxic chemicals and oil that were left behind. Yet the poor otter suffered from health problems for the rest of it's life.

Nuka, the aging sea otter that survived the Exxon Valdez oil spill, was euthanized Thursday morning at the Seattle Aquarium, officials said.

The otter suffered a host of health issues since she was pulled as a pup from Prince William Sound after the Exxon oil tanker spilled millions of gallons of oil.


Nuka was covered in crude when she was rescued, and she continued to suffer from nasal mites, dermatitis likely due to a compromised immune system, and unexplained spasms.


"Literally, her rear flippers tremor from time to time, and her front paws will tremor from time to time," Traci Belting, the aquarium's curator of mammals and birds, said during an interview on Tuesday. "(She has) poor fur quality, which is critical to otter for their insulation."


"She hauls out more than the others, probably because she's cold," said C.J. Casson, the aquarium's curator of life sciences, during a Tuesday interview with KOMO.


It was Casson's job to rescue oiled otters from that 1989 spill.


"I just remember the devastation of being there and smelling it, and seeing the animals dying. It's very tragic," said Casson.


Seattle Aquarium curators don't know how much Nuka's medical problems can be blamed on oil exposure. At 21, Nuka lived long past the average age of a female otter.


She didn't have to compete for food or face predators, and biologists say she never would have survived in the wild.




http://www.komonews.com/news/local/95033089.html

I'm seeing double: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmhxpQEGPo

So is anyone else pretty much writing off eating any seafood this summer?

So is anyone else pretty much writing off eating any seafood this summer?

As I said in the other thread on this, I ate fish on Monday that was caught in the Gulf on Sunday.

Writing off eating seafood? Not on my life. I'll eat my fill and then some.

I'm seeing double: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmhxpQEGPo

Interesting stuff, but if she wanted to report on something useful, how about investigating what the long-term effects of that spill were. My guess is we won't hear a lot about it because it doesn't fit in with the gloom and doom that they want to report.

Much like the Exxon Valdez spill, where they recently made a big deal about how they went back to the site and managed to find oil down in the ground after digging 9,000 holes or something like that. I notice they didn't mention the fact that until they started digging around there were little or no visible signs of there ever being a spill there and everything is thriving.

So is anyone else pretty much writing off eating any seafood this summer?

:nod:

I'll eat my fill and then some.

I hope you do. :D

So is anyone else pretty much writing off eating any seafood this summer?
Nope, but I'm 50 miles from the Atlantic. :D

Nope, but I'm 50 miles from the Atlantic. :D

What do you charge to ship shrimp? :lol:

I hope you do. :D

I did. I ate about 3 servings of nice fresh Grouper.

:whee:

I even told my mom "you know, I could crack all kinds of jokes about how it tasted like oil... but nope"

I did. I ate about 3 servings of nice fresh Grouper.

:whee:

I even told my mom "you know, I could crack all kinds of jokes about how it tasted like oil... but nope"

Aren't you like, in Central FL? I don't think you have too much to worry about ... yet.

What do you charge to ship shrimp? :lol:
I'll ship you all the shrimp you want for free. Ice, though, is $200 a pound. :P

Aren't you like, in Central FL? I don't think you have too much to worry about ... yet.

Yeah, but it was fresh fish caught in the Gulf.

People are crying the whole Gulf is affected. So far, it's still tasty!

I'll ship you all the shrimp you want for free. Ice, though, is $200 a pound. :P

$200 a pound? Damn! Was there an oil spill at your local ice vendor? :lol:

Yeah, but it was fresh fish caught in the Gulf.

People are crying the whole Gulf is affected. So far, it's still tasty!


I'm not as worried about what I CAN see or taste so much I am about what I CAN'T.

But hey, if you aren't concerned, then Bon Appetit! Two-headed babies should be a common occurrance in about 10 years ... I'm sure your kid will fit right in. ;)

$200 a pound? Damn! Was there an oil spill at your local ice vendor? :lol:
I can ship without it, if you like. :dontknow:

I'm not as worried about what I CAN see or taste so much I am about what I CAN'T.

But hey, if you aren't concerned, then Bon Appetit! Two-headed babies should be a common occurrance in about 10 years ... I'm sure your kid will fit right in. ;)
Something tells me regardless of the circumstances, his kid's going to have a tough time fitting in.

I'm not as worried about what I CAN see or taste so much I am about what I CAN'T.

But hey, if you aren't concerned, then Bon Appetit! Two-headed babies should be a common occurrance in about 10 years ... I'm sure your kid will fit right in. ;)

For the kid to fit in, I have to help create it right?

Yeah, no. I'm not having kids. For the love of everything I love, I'm not having kids.

For another 15 years.

Interesting stuff, but if she wanted to report on something useful, how about investigating what the long-term effects of that spill were. My guess is we won't hear a lot about it because it doesn't fit in with the gloom and doom that they want to report.

keeping people scared = more viewers.

This is why I avoid the news networks when they their shows are mostly based on a single topic.. you know, like the oil spill, attempted terrorist attack, swine flu, etc.

like they wouldn't drill there anyway even if we permitted more drilling on land. i'd prefer this sort of thing to happen in the gulf, where i live, than in the anwr.

If you're so cavalier about the Gulf being exploited then move somewhere else. Apparently you don't have friend who makes their living off of commercial fishing or tourism. I'm really tired of the rest of the US taking Louisiana and the rest of the Gulf states for granted! 30% of America's oil comes from here, but no one cares what production does to our state until a media event is set off. Louisiana loses a FOOTBALL FIELD sized piece of wetland every 45 minutes! Do you comprehend this? On the Western side of the state there is one Oak Chenier (land ridge) left that protects us from storms. The Mississippi has been so heavily dredged so that shipping can occur, that Texas now gets our sediment. Another ass busting hurricane like the forgotten Rita or the political (Louisiana politics!) disaster, Katrina happens and we're a goner. So keep promoting deep water drilling by companies that don't know what the fark they are doing. I've really had enough!

If you're so cavalier about the Gulf being exploited then move somewhere else. Apparently you don't have friend who makes their living off of commercial fishing or tourism. I'm really tired of the rest of the US taking Louisiana and the rest of the Gulf states for granted! 30% of America's oil comes from here, but no one cares what production does to our state until a media event is set off. Louisiana loses a FOOTBALL FIELD sized piece of wetland every 45 minutes! Do you comprehend this? On the Western side of the state there is one Oak Chenier (land ridge) left that protects us from storms. The Mississippi has been so heavily dredged so that shipping can occur, that Texas now gets our sediment. Another ass busting hurricane like the forgotten Rita or the political (Louisiana politics!) disaster, Katrina happens and we're a goner. So keep promoting deep water drilling by companies that don't know what the fark they are doing. I've really had enough!

Wow, you seem to think no one gives a shit about Louisiana.

I only don't give a shit about New Orleans. Does that help?

Wow, you seem to think no one gives a shit about Louisiana.

I only don't give a shit about New Orleans. Does that help?


Oh, you are so on my "way to go list"! I enjoy visiting New Orleans, but when you tell some one from out of state that you are from Louisiana, their first comment is "Oh, I've been to New Orleans, like that's all there is to LA! We always tell them to not judge the rest of the state by NOLA. and yes, there don't seem to be many that DO give a shit about Louisiana.

hey, you human. I was ever a fish in the Gulf Coast area, but now i am a dead fish. Yes, you human took my life away!
I ever lived with my wife and my five little kids happily until one day, a wide spread of oil covered the sea!! I saw my family dying one by one, you know the feeling? seeing your heartly loves leaving you...I felt it is more and more difficult to breath, until i cauld not.
we are the same creature on the earth, we have the equal right to live. you human have no any reason to destroy our homeland!! you human only pay attention to the benefits before your eyes, one day, you will live on the earth only, with your poor money!!!!!!

hey, you human. I was ever a fish in the Gulf Coast area, but now i am a dead fish. Yes, you human took my life away!
I ever lived with my wife and my five little kids happily until one day, a wide spread of oil covered the sea!! I saw my family dying one by one, you know the feeling? seeing your heartly loves leaving you...I felt it is more and more difficult to breath, until i cauld not.
we are the same creature on the earth, we have the equal right to live. you human have no any reason to destroy our homeland!! you human only pay attention to the benefits before your eyes, one day, you will live on the earth only, with your poor money!!!!!!

Chances were good that you and your family would have been caught and eaten. So you would have died anyway.

Since you are only a fish, I will excuse your terrible grammar.

Chances were good that you and your family would have been caught and eaten. So you would have died anyway.


:rofl2:

hey, you human. I was ever a fish in the Gulf Coast area, but now i am a dead fish. Yes, you human took my life away!
I ever lived with my wife and my five little kids happily until one day, a wide spread of oil covered the sea!! I saw my family dying one by one, you know the feeling? seeing your heartly loves leaving you...I felt it is more and more difficult to breath, until i cauld not.
we are the same creature on the earth, we have the equal right to live. you human have no any reason to destroy our homeland!! you human only pay attention to the benefits before your eyes, one day, you will live on the earth only, with your poor money!!!!!!
It is hard to type?

If you're so cavalier about the Gulf being exploited then move somewhere else. Apparently you don't have friend who makes their living off of commercial fishing or tourism. I'm really tired of the rest of the US taking Louisiana and the rest of the Gulf states for granted! 30% of America's oil comes from here, but no one cares what production does to our state until a media event is set off. Louisiana loses a FOOTBALL FIELD sized piece of wetland every 45 minutes! Do you comprehend this? On the Western side of the state there is one Oak Chenier (land ridge) left that protects us from storms. The Mississippi has been so heavily dredged so that shipping can occur, that Texas now gets our sediment. Another ass busting hurricane like the forgotten Rita or the political (Louisiana politics!) disaster, Katrina happens and we're a goner. So keep promoting deep water drilling by companies that don't know what the fark they are doing. I've really had enough!
why're you quoting me when you go on this little tirade?

why're you quoting me when you go on this little tirade?

why're? :confused:

why're you quoting me when you go on this little tirade?

I think your comment that you would rather this happen in the Gulf...? I would rather it not happen anywhere. I'm not a tree-hugger, but I think that responsible behavior by big companies has gone with the wind. No one thought this out before they started drilling. It's kind of like auto manufactures that know there's a problem with a car, but they send it out because paying out for lawsuits is cheaper than a recall. Act now and ask forgiveness later,,,

Wasn't trying to step on your feelings. I'm just tired of irresponsible decisions being made over money. This rig was about to be pulled and sent to another site for drilling and BP got in a hurry. They were losing money and took too many shortcuts. I'm usually a pretty mild-mannered person, but after the Wall-Street, Bank, housing, auto bailouts and rip offs, I'm tired of corporations and their BS.

Okay, off my soap box now:D:ranting:

It is hard to type?

Have you ever tried typing with fins? Dead fins at that?

why're? :confused:
http://www.reference.com/browse/why're

meaning of life, apparently, in each of my posts. why're i such a powerful poster?

I think your comment that you would rather this happen in the Gulf...? I would rather it not happen anywhere. I'm not a tree-hugger, but I think that responsible behavior by big companies has gone with the wind. No one thought this out before they started drilling. It's kind of like auto manufactures that know there's a problem with a car, but they send it out because paying out for lawsuits is cheaper than a recall. Act now and ask forgiveness later,,,

Wasn't trying to step on your feelings. I'm just tired of irresponsible decisions being made over money. This rig was about to be pulled and sent to another site for drilling and BP got in a hurry. They were losing money and took too many shortcuts. I'm usually a pretty mild-mannered person, but after the Wall-Street, Bank, housing, auto bailouts and rip offs, I'm tired of corporations and their BS.

Okay, off my soap box now:D:ranting:

i would rather it happen in the gulf than in the anwr like i said, but the rest of your tirade doesn't pertain to me. there's not much you can tell me about coastal protection along the gulf, dredging, wetland loss, and the economic impact of all this.

http://www.reference.com/browse/why're

meaning of life, apparently, in each of my posts. why're i such a powerful poster?

:crylol:

I love the reference link. I gotta remember that one. :roll:

Oh, you are so on my "way to go list"! I enjoy visiting New Orleans, but when you tell some one from out of state that you are from Louisiana, their first comment is "Oh, I've been to New Orleans, like that's all there is to LA! We always tell them to not judge the rest of the state by NOLA. and yes, there don't seem to be many that DO give a shit about Louisiana.

Wait, I thought New Orleans was the state :huh:

Wait, I thought New Orleans was the state :huh:

It is according to Ray Nagin

Have you ever tried typing with fins? Dead fins at that?
No, I haven't. Damned good post for a guy without fingers, I think.

For anyone who thinks cleaning the oil off a seabird or marine animal saves them, think again. This otter pup survived the Valdez oil spill and was kept from that point on at the Seattle Aquarium, so no repeat exposure to the toxic chemicals and oil that were left behind. Yet the poor otter suffered from health problems for the rest of it's life.




http://www.komonews.com/news/local/95033089.html

Okay, I see your point and all, but from the article...

Seattle Aquarium curators don't know how much Nuka's medical problems can be blamed on oil exposure. At 21, Nuka lived long past the average age of a female otter.

Sounds like she lived a long life.

If you're so cavalier about the Gulf being exploited then move somewhere else. Apparently you don't have friend who makes their living off of commercial fishing or tourism. I'm really tired of the rest of the US taking Louisiana and the rest of the Gulf states for granted! 30% of America's oil comes from here, but no one cares what production does to our state until a media event is set off. Louisiana loses a FOOTBALL FIELD sized piece of wetland every 45 minutes! Do you comprehend this? On the Western side of the state there is one Oak Chenier (land ridge) left that protects us from storms. The Mississippi has been so heavily dredged so that shipping can occur, that Texas now gets our sediment. Another ass busting hurricane like the forgotten Rita or the political (Louisiana politics!) disaster, Katrina happens and we're a goner. So keep promoting deep water drilling by companies that don't know what the fark they are doing. I've really had enough!

I think I love you. :cloud9:

:lol:

.... there don't seem to be many that DO give a shit about Louisiana.

Well, let's face it ... it's not a great state. But I'm stuck in Mississippi and I'd choose LA over this sh*thole any day of the week! :lol:

Not to mention, I have to care about LA. My mom is a coonass, my sister is a coonass and I have numerous relatives scattered about Denham Springs, Baton Rouge, Hammond, New Orleans, etc.

It is hard to type?

"hunt and fin" FTW! :whee:

Wait, I thought New Orleans was the state :huh:

It should be it's own state.

I think I love you. :cloud9:

:lol:



Well, let's face it ... it's not a great state. But I'm stuck in Mississippi and I'd choose LA over this sh*thole any day of the week! :lol:

Not to mention, I have to care about LA. My mom is a coonass, my sister is a coonass and I have numerous relatives scattered about Denham Springs, Baton Rouge, Hammond, New Orleans, etc.


Wow, I thought it was a pretty good state. Damn! Another Fairy Tale lie! But I'm glad to know your 1/2 coonass!

Sorry about the Mississippi thing..It's a really pretty state though. But it was really strange to see fried bologna on the buffet at Shoney's . I mean I've had it at home, but never seen it in a restaurant. :omg:

Wow, I thought it was a pretty good state. Damn! Another Fairy Tale lie!

It's all about perspective. :P

What BP does NOT want you to see.

LINK (http://acp.repoweramerica.org/page/invite/oilspillvideo?source=sprd-taf&utm_source=spread_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=oilspillvideo20100527)

What BP does NOT want you to see.

LINK (http://acp.repoweramerica.org/page/invite/oilspillvideo?source=sprd-taf&utm_source=spread_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=oilspillvideo20100527)looks fake

looks fake

:facepalm:

Go get something pierced.

What BP does NOT want you to see.

Congrats?

There's plenty of things the government doesn't want us to see about the oil spill. Like the fact that the MMS was supposed to oversee everything and their staffers were going all SEC on us and watching porn on the job :lmao:

Time to dust off the old ad campaign....


http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Iaaaiws/bp1.jpg

Since the latest failure didn't work ..... couldn't they drill a 200 foot deep well, say 50 feet away from the problem well, drop in explosives and blast the problem well closed? :dontknow:

Since the latest failure didn't work ..... couldn't they drill a 200 foot deep well, say 50 feet away from the problem well, drop in explosives and blast the problem well closed? :dontknow:

Nope.

Since the latest failure didn't work ..... couldn't they drill a 200 foot deep well, say 50 feet away from the problem well, drop in explosives and blast the problem well closed? :dontknow:

Since this whole thing started, I've heard yes, they could. Yesterday I heard Bill Nye, the Science Guy say no, it won't work.

My husband says to believe Bill. :lol:

i say let the ruskies take over and nuke it

What BP does NOT want you to see.

LINK (http://acp.repoweramerica.org/page/invite/oilspillvideo?source=sprd-taf&utm_source=spread_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=oilspillvideo20100527)

I couldn't even finish watching this.:vomit:

Folks, it didn't work 31 years ago in a mere 300ft of water. Why would anyone expect it to work now?

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/rachel_maddow_covers_gulf_oil_spill_from_1979_162910.asp

http://i.imgur.com/fjzs1.jpg

Folks, it didn't work 31 years ago in a mere 300ft of water. Why would anyone expect it to work now?

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/rachel_maddow_covers_gulf_oil_spill_from_1979_162910.asp

Blame the government for allowing them to drill? :dontknow:

i mean to sound self centered when i say, i am 25, and in the grand scheme of things this oil spill means about nothing to me. the pictures are sad, but i'm not about to get bent out of shape about this. ppl blaming obama make me laugh. he literally caused a blown blow out preventer.

Since the latest failure didn't work ..... couldn't they drill a 200 foot deep well, say 50 feet away from the problem well, drop in explosives and blast the problem well closed? :dontknow:

I think the problem with using explosives to try and seal the leak is that is could be an all or nothing type effort. There may be a pretty good chance it would work, but if it failed then the leak could be well below the ocean floor where nothing at all could be then done to stop it. At least now they have the leak above the ocean floor and contained to a pipe where they at least have something to work with.

i mean to sound self centered when i say, i am 25, and in the grand scheme of things this oil spill means about nothing to me.

You are right. It does sound self centered.

.....i am 25.....

That's all I had to see to know what was coming next.

I have a sister who is 23 and her and her whole generation SUCK! They are so self-centered, have no work ethic, believe NOTHING is EVER their fault, and want hand-outs from everyone from their parents to the United States government.

Go put your head back in the sand little ostrich.

They are so self-centered, have no work ethic, believe NOTHING is EVER their fault, and want hand-outs from everyone from their parents to the United States government.


The perfect recipe for an Obama supporter.

i mean to sound self centered when i say, i am 25, and in the grand scheme of things this oil spill means about nothing to me. the pictures are sad, but i'm not about to get bent out of shape about this. ppl blaming obama make me laugh. he literally caused a blown blow out preventer.

Well, maybe you should think about it when you go out for shrimp/sushi/seafood and prices are off the charts. Why even make this comment?

That's all I had to see to know what was coming next.

I have a sister who is 23 and her and her whole generation SUCK! They are so self-centered, have no work ethic, believe NOTHING is EVER their fault, and want hand-outs from everyone from their parents to the United States government.

Go put your head back in the sand little ostrich.
ostriches don't actually put their head in the sand. also, you're part of your sister's generation.

I took this quiz on Sporcle yesterday: http://www.sporcle.com/games/UWhuskytskeet/SmallerThanOilSpill

It sort of put things into perspective a bit more... pretty depressing.

... also, you're part of your sister's generation.

Uhhhhhh, no.

Uhhhhhh, no.

Uhhhhhh, yes

gen·er·a·tion (jn-rshn)
n.
1. All of the offspring that are at the same stage of descent from a common ancestor

Uhhhhhh, yes

gen·er·a·tion (jn-rshn)
n.
1. All of the offspring that are at the same stage of descent from a common ancestor

Again .... no. She was adopted. There are MANY years between us.

Again .... no. She was adopted. There are MANY years between us.

oh.. my bad :P.

oh.. My bad :p.

np. :D

Again .... no. She was adopted. There are MANY years between us.
how many?

how many?

Enough that I can say with absolute certainty ... we are NOT of the same generation.

yeah i bet

yeah i bet

I think I know how old I am. :lol:

I think I know how old I am. :lol:

42? :lol:

i mean to sound self centered when i say, i am 25, and in the grand scheme of things this oil spill means about nothing to me. the pictures are sad, but i'm not about to get bent out of shape about this.

I could care less about your politics, but your attitude is a direct reflection of your IQ and it's obvious that you don't have children. If you did, you would care more about the state of the Earth in which they will grow up. Of course your "center-of-the-universe' mentality suggests that you have no life beyond "what's in it for me and I want it yesterday". The next plan to stop this catastrophe could take up to a month and by that time the Gulf (and possibly the rest of the world's water) could be so contaminated that it will take who knows how long to recover. Grow up and become a part of society!

Okay, I see your point and all, but from the article...


Sounds like she lived a long life.

You left off the very next paragraph...
She didn't have to compete for food or face predators, and biologists say she never would have survived in the wild.

What about all the otters that didn't get taken in by aquariums and were released after being cleaned up.

42? :lol:

Close enough. ;)

I just spilled some oil in my kitchen. :nod:

I just spilled some oil in my kitchen. :nod:

Whatever you do, do NOT put BP in charge of the clean-up. :lol:

Whatever you do, do NOT put BP in charge of the clean-up. :lol:


If either one of my cats gets caught up in this...well...someone will pay!

Close enough. ;)

52? :lol:

I have a sister who is 23 and her and her whole generation SUCK! They are so self-centered, have no work ethic, believe NOTHING is EVER their fault, and want hand-outs from everyone from their parents to the United States government.

I'm sure your parents said that about your generation and their parents said the same thing about your parents generation...

You need to quit believing the lie that some generations are better than others. That is complete bullshit.

According to many people Fatty Arbuckle raped a woman with a glass bottle in the 1920s and Bill O'Reilly wanted to fark a woman with a loofah in 2004.

Now, do you think Fatty Arbuckle's generation was better or Bill O'Riley's?

People never change and there will always be bad apples.

It was done on purpose to drive up prices.

if so, that cost too much!

the only thing I will say about this is it sucks really bad and Obama admin has proved they are nothing but failures playing a blame game. They have had 41 days to do something and yet they haven't ....Obama blaming others and all that BS is worse than what W Bush did with Katrina, this is far worse than Katrina was and Obama showed us he is no leader.

dont try to blame obaama you are the one driving a big suv using oil

dont try to blame obaama you are the one driving a big suv using oil

I am not driving anything. And as president OBAMA has a duty to this country to manage situations like this. Federal land trumps BP so Obama is the one needing to take care of this. Neither side knows WTF they are doing though so we are all SOL.

dont try to blame obaama you are the one driving a big suv using oil

I guess this runs on solar batteries?

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/af1/images/d4c-122582-1.jpg

Oh, and I think he has 2 of those and at least one of these:

http://www.esoterically.net/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/marine_one_whitehouse.jpg

I guess this runs on solar batteries?

Nah, the oil companies donated them with lifetime fuel supplies to the presidential campaign in 2008.

Nah, the oil companies donated them with lifetime fuel supplies to the presidential campaign in 2008.

yea cause they are all in bed together, hope they like the STDs

the only thing I will say about this is it sucks really bad and Obama admin has proved they are nothing but failures playing a blame game. They have had 41 days to do something and yet they haven't ....Obama blaming others and all that BS is worse than what W Bush did with Katrina, this is far worse than Katrina was and Obama showed us he is no leader.

I am not driving anything. And as president OBAMA has a duty to this country to manage situations like this. Federal land trumps BP so Obama is the one needing to take care of this. Neither side knows WTF they are doing though so we are all SOL.

And who do you think it was that authorized deep water drilling in the gulf back in 2001. The Bush administration, that's who. Even though they knew that there wasn't any technology designed to stop a leak quickly at these depths. That's why, sadly, it's likely that the leak won't be stopped until August when the two wells are finished. But Bush and his oil friends took the gamble with our waters and coastlines so they could drill more wells in US territory and now we're all paying the price. Don't blame the current president for being put by a past president into a situation that isn't fixable.

I guess this runs on solar batteries?


I believe a recent breakthrough now allows those to run on water.


Special water.


Found in the Gulf of Mexico.

yea cause they are all in bed together, hope they like the STDs

While I don't like Obama, you realize I was being sarcastic right?

And who do you think it was that authorized deep ocean drilling in the gulf back in 2001. The Bush administration, that's who. Even though they knew that there wasn't any technology designed to stop a leak quickly at these depths. That's why, sadly, it's likely that the leak won't be stopped until August when the two wells are finished. But Bush and his oil friends took the gamble with our waters and coastlines so they could drill more wells in US territory and now we're all paying the price.

why everyone putting it back on Bush!? Yes he messed up but when was it?? Back early this year the MMS or whoever that was that does the regulations gave BP a pass, they are a FEDERAL company, they did it under Bush but Obama could have stopped that from happening again. But he didn't he just let it go like it was and the regulation standards were just overlooked....

While I don't like Obama, you realize I was being sarcastic right?

Yes I did, I was just adding to it

Bush and his oil friends took the gamble with our waters and coastlines so they could drill more wells in US territory and now we're all paying the price.

True dat!

And I'd like to add this (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/14/bush.offshore/index.html).

(snip) President Bush lifted an executive order banning offshore oil drilling on Monday and urged Congress to follow suit. ---July 2008


I blame them all.

neither side is worth a damn, that is why people like Ron and Rand Paul need to be in office. Hopefully one day people will stop voting D or R and start voting for the issues and maybe this will wake some people up that D and R is destroying the country!

nHopefully one day people will stop voting D or R and start voting for the issues .....

You must be new to the Lounge ... no logic allowed. :nono2:

logic isn't allowed how's replying to emails and pms? :P

You must be new to the Lounge ... no logic allowed. :nono2:

logic huh...IMO that is what we need in this country...common sense and logic. I just feel bad for the fisherman and people making their money from the waters, this is not going to be right for many years to come.

logic isn't allowed how's replying to emails and pms? :P


:lol:


:ninja:

logic huh...IMO that is what we need in this country...common sense and logic. I just feel bad for the fisherman and people making their money from the waters, this is not going to be right for many years to come.

The oil will just make the fish easier to cook. Duh.

The oil will just make the fish easier to cook. Duh.

possibly but all that fried food isn't healthy for ya.

Live feed LINK (http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html).

Looks more like a gusher than a leak to me.

Live feed LINK (http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html).

Looks more like a gusher than a leak to me.

:drool:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2YIqxmC_-CM/SeORDpIg3II/AAAAAAAAAQg/U02EH_MA_-s/s400/GUSHERS.jpg

why everyone putting it back on Bush!?Not to get political, but most of the conflicts in the world can be traced back to bush. Look it up. :nod:

BS is worse than what W Bush did with Katrina

Oh, but let's not forget the unbelievably inept governor we had at at he time. When Bush asked Gov. Blanco (Gov, Blank around here) What she needed - troops, boats, food. etc, she told him "I don;t know. Let me sleep on it'" I'm fed up with all of the douche bags. They all want to be "rock stars", and prove that the world can't get along without them/ Maybe we could use a few of them to stuff down that whole and see if that works:evil:

True dat!

And I'd like to add this (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/14/bush.offshore/index.html).

(snip) President Bush lifted an executive order banning offshore oil drilling on Monday and urged Congress to follow suit. ---July 2008


I blame them all.

Yet, everyone wanted offshore oil drilling when .....

http://bettermileage.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/high-gas-prices-hurt-consumer-spending.jpg

Not to get political, but most of the conflicts in the world can be traced back to bush. Look it up. :nod:

Why don't you do some research as well before making a completely incorrect bold statement like that.:lmao:

...waiting for this to go to the Podium...

Not to get political, but most of the conflicts in the world can be traced back to bush. Look it up. :nod:

Wow, I didn't even realize you had a mental disorder. Good luck with that.

Yet, everyone wanted offshore oil drilling when .....

http://bettermileage.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/high-gas-prices-hurt-consumer-spending.jpg



:shake: Not me. :P

I took this quiz on Sporcle yesterday: http://www.sporcle.com/games/UWhuskytskeet/SmallerThanOilSpill

It sort of put things into perspective a bit more... pretty depressing.

Only got 65 before time ran out :(

Not to get political, but most of the conflicts in the world can be traced back to bush. Look it up. :nod:

Yes, he had that much power and you're research skills are stellar. Could you cite your empiricals? I especially wonder how he incited the Israelis and the Palestinians, since they have been fighting since 1948...

Yet, everyone wanted offshore oil drilling when .....


I'm still perfectly content driving my SUV ... even for short trips :nod:

I'm still perfectly content driving my SUV ... even for short trips :nod:


I keep giving my husband grief because he wants to drive his Explorer to work every day and I want him to take the Honda. :lol:












And every day he takes the Explorer. :annoyed:

I keep giving my husband grief because he wants to drive his Explorer to work every day and I want him to take the Honda. :lol:












And every day he takes the Explorer. :annoyed:

It's the other way around with my sister and brother-in-law. He wants to drive her Cavalier and he wants for her to drive his Dodge truck. She is uncomfortable driving trucks so he has no other choice...

http://eclecticbanana.tumblr.com/post/651159277/wings1295-aquaman-vs-bp-by-rob-kelly-the

This is the main thread on the oil spill and nobody posted in it today?. Does that mean people aren't aware of it or people are choosing to look the other way?

I thought I'd come here and find lots of discussions about it, I'm pretty surprised......unless there is a more active thread that I missed?

who cares about this the ocean is huge and it happened a long time ago....me and my friend were talkin and we agreed that we get more mad when somebody piss in the pool because it aint nowhere near as big.