They are opening and taking out the free download coupon to play another copy of the game via OnLive's cloud based network ($50 value).
Yahoo (http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/gamestop-under-fire-removing-free-coupons-deus-ex-234821510.html)
Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/08/24/gamestop-intentionally-removing-deus-ex-onlive-coupons-from-reta/)

Hell if I will ever buy a "new" game from them ever. How is it new if it's already opened?

When I bought Battlefield Bad Company 2 for PS3, it was "New" but opened. I soon discovered that the VIP code had been removed. So I went back to the store and they gave me one freshly from another "new" but opened box. That just screwed the next guy.

Not to mention anyone could walk into the store, and if they are lucky enough to actually find a game with the code in it, simply take a picture of it, memorize it, or pocket it - if the employees haven't already.

For that matter, GameStop's digital distro sucks. They charged my card for a CD key they were out of, took a week to reply to admit they couldn't deliver it and finally reverse the charge.

For that matter, GameStop's digital distro sucks. They charged my card for a CD key they were out of, took a week to reply to admit they couldn't deliver it and finally reverse the charge.

You got your refund, I'm not sure why you're still complaining?

And Square enix basically had to apologize to gamestop for including this coupon without informing gamestop first

“As part of Deus Ex: Human Revolution’s boxed offering on PC, Square Enix included a third party coupon," said the company in a statement. "GameStop was not made aware of this inclusion and Square Enix respects the right of GameStop to have final say over the contents of products it sells and to adjust them where they see fit in accordance with their policies."


The game is then pulled from gamestop shelf so you can't buy it even if you want to
http://www.giantbomb.com/news/gamestop-pulling-deus-ex-human-revolution-pc-off-shelves-updated/3618/

You got your refund, I'm not sure why you're still complaining?

The fact is Gamestop openly admits to opening a new game, removing contents, resealing the game and selling it as "New".. even if you don't use the OnLive code, you are supporting this practice of Gamestop pretty much doing whatever they want with whatever game they want.

No thank you.

I'm really shocked this practice continues to be viable for them. You'd think people would vote with their wallets. Who's buying "new" opened games anyway?

They are opening and taking out the free download coupon to play another copy of the game via OnLive's cloud based network ($50 value).
Yahoo (http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/gamestop-under-fire-removing-free-coupons-deus-ex-234821510.html)
Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/08/24/gamestop-intentionally-removing-deus-ex-onlive-coupons-from-reta/)

So the copy from steam is worth $10?

So the copy from steam is worth $10?

No one said that, the bundle was worth $60.00. Taking away a code (which is worth $50.00 on the service) does not make the bundle drop completely in price, but it does affect the value.. on top of being opened and resealed.

And Square enix basically had to apologize to gamestop for including this coupon without informing gamestop first

They shouldn't have to inform Gamestop. Unless they had some sort of contract where the publisher has to disclose that information but I doubt that.

This is borderline criminal, IMO. If it was such a big deal to Gamestop they should have just pulled the game off the shelves completely and given refunds to pre-orders.

Who in the hell is buying boxed PC games from Gamestop anyway? I thought they pulled their PC games section already.

No one said that, the bundle was worth $60.00. Taking away a code (which is worth $50.00 on the service) does not make the bundle drop completely in price, but it does affect the value.. on top of being opened and resealed.

but if it was actually worth $50.. then you should be able to turn around and sell it for $50.

but if it was actually worth $50.. then you should be able to turn around and sell it for $50.

An Xbox 360 comes with a headset, power brick, controller and video cables. Taking all of those away doesn't make the Xbox worth 100$ or whatever the amount comes out to. It's part of a package.

The fact is Gamestop openly admits to opening a new game, removing contents, resealing the game and selling it as "New".. even if you don't use the OnLive code, you are supporting this practice of Gamestop pretty much doing whatever they want with whatever game they want.

No thank you.
now i know you're exaggerating as maybe 2% of all gamestop stores in the USA still have shrink wrap machines (considering they were banned/discontinued by gamestop/EB in 2006 after an employee got injured and sued gamestop)

now i know you're exaggerating as maybe 2% of all gamestop stores in the USA still have shrink wrap machines (considering they were banned/discontinued by gamestop/EB in 2006 after an employee got injured and sued gamestop)

I can't say I've stepped into a Gamestop since before 2006 so maybe you are right. I do know back before then I routinely saw employees shrink wrapping games and selling them as used, not new.

And why would I be exaggerating? :shake:

I can't say I've stepped into a Gamestop since before 2006 so maybe you are right. I do know back before then I routinely saw employees shrink wrapping games and selling them as used, not new.

And why would I be exaggerating? :shake:
people like to sensationalize their posts.
I find it hard to believe any gamestop would remove content from a new game and reseal it.

Frankly, no employee would bother to do that on a normal basis as its way too time consuming to shrink wrap a game, let alone more than one.

This coming from someone who worked at EB during college from 2004-2006
Shit took like 30 mins to shrink wrap a game properly, only time we did it was when customers requested we shrink wrap used games they bought as they wanted it to look new as a gift.

people like to sensationalize their posts.
I find it hard to believe any gamestop would remove content from a new game and reseal it.

Frankly, no employee would bother to do that on a normal basis as its way too time consuming to shrink wrap a game, let alone more than one.

This coming from someone who worked at EB during college from 2004-2006
Shit took like 30 mins to shrink wrap a game properly, only time we did it was when customers requested we shrink wrap used games they bought as they wanted it to look new as a gift.

Are you sure it took ~30 minutes, are you just overexaggerating? :D

My memory may be fuzzy but all you had to do was slip the game case in a plastic bag, suck the air out, and heat seal the plastic shut... maybe 2 minutes tops, if that.

But on the point of GS opening the game and removing stuff then resealing... they admitted to opening/removing items, what's stopping them from just resealing it? If the GS stores no longer have the heat sealers, fine.. but like I said I haven't really stopped in recently, and I can just remind myself why now.


And you'd be surprised at what an employee with a job will do in this economy.

Are you sure it took ~30 minutes, are you just overexaggerating? :D

My memory may be fuzzy but all you had to do was slip the game case in a plastic bag, suck the air out, and heat seal the plastic shut... maybe 2 minutes tops, if that.

But on the point of GS opening the game and removing stuff then resealing... they admitted to opening/removing items, what's stopping them from just resealing it? If the GS stores no longer have the heat sealers, fine.. but like I said I haven't really stopped in recently, and I can just remind myself why now.


And you'd be surprised at what an employee with a job will do in this economy.
slip it into the plastic bag. vacuum the air out. heat seal the plastic shut.
Then you gotta take the blow dryer thing and melt down the corners and the edges so it actually was a snug wrap.

They "open" new games to gut them, to put the box out on the shelf
yes its a shady practice, but i haven't heard any taking items actively out of the game case.
If they did, i can assure you the Store Manager would've been fired along with any employees.

And even in this economy, people would not waste their time doing all that extra work.
They'd just take the code and dispose of the game or something lol.

Not to mention its gamestop we're talking about, the PC Market sale for gamestop is probably 5% of their total sales, unless WoW's releasing an expansion or something.

And as to Square Enix bundling OnLive in the PC copy, it'll be the equiv of say Verizon's new Iphone comes with a free 1 month prepaid sim card for AT&T in the box.

You should alert the retailer what exactly is in the boxes as making them distribute an opponent's software is kinda shady.

They're now removing the game from the shelves and sending them back to SqEnix.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/08/gamestop-responds-to-deus-ex-controversy-removes-game-from-shelves.ars

slip it into the plastic bag. vacuum the air out. heat seal the plastic shut.
Then you gotta take the blow dryer thing and melt down the corners and the edges so it actually was a snug wrap.

They "open" new games to gut them, to put the box out on the shelf
yes its a shady practice, but i haven't heard any taking items actively out of the game case.
If they did, i can assure you the Store Manager would've been fired along with any employees.

And even in this economy, people would not waste their time doing all that extra work.
They'd just take the code and dispose of the game or something lol.

Not to mention its gamestop we're talking about, the PC Market sale for gamestop is probably 5% of their total sales, unless WoW's releasing an expansion or something.

And as to Square Enix bundling OnLive in the PC copy, it'll be the equiv of say Verizon's new Iphone comes with a free 1 month prepaid sim card for AT&T in the box.

You should alert the retailer what exactly is in the boxes as making them distribute an opponent's software is kinda shady.

Gamestop has already openly admitted to removing contents from the game case...

Gamestop has already openly admitted to removing contents from the game case...
In this case, and its to remove a competitor's item
and SE has come out and apologized, and GS has decided to not sell the PC version that contains this item......
You're claiming they do it all the time, that they've done it back in 2006.

slip it into the plastic bag. vacuum the air out. heat seal the plastic shut.
Then you gotta take the blow dryer thing and melt down the corners and the edges so it actually was a snug wrap.

They "open" new games to gut them, to put the box out on the shelf
yes its a shady practice, but i haven't heard any taking items actively out of the game case.
If they did, i can assure you the Store Manager would've been fired along with any employees.

And even in this economy, people would not waste their time doing all that extra work.
They'd just take the code and dispose of the game or something lol.

Not to mention its gamestop we're talking about, the PC Market sale for gamestop is probably 5% of their total sales, unless WoW's releasing an expansion or something.

And as to Square Enix bundling OnLive in the PC copy, it'll be the equiv of say Verizon's new Iphone comes with a free 1 month prepaid sim card for AT&T in the box.

They definitely did, in this case. There's no question that they were opening the boxes and removing the codes.

You should alert the retailer what exactly is in the boxes as making them distribute an opponent's software is kinda shady.

Likely these codes were already packaged before Gamestop even announced their service. Has it even been a week since they announced their new streaming service?

In this case, and its to remove a competitor's item
and SE has come out and apologized, and GS has decided to not sell the PC version that contains this item......
You're claiming they do it all the time, that they've done it back in 2006.

Right, I am just giving my first-hand account back in 2006. The facts are

Gamestop routinely opens games and sells them as New copies (regardless of whether it's the "last copy" or not)
Either used to or still do re-seal these open games and pass them off as "New"
Gamestop removed an item from a New game and did not inform anyone about this, until they were caught doing it
Often sell games that require a "competitive service" (read: Portal 2, Civ 5, etc.)


Pretty scumbag move if you ask me, regardless of who is at fault.

Right, I am just giving my first-hand account back in 2006. The facts are

Gamestop routinely opens games and sells them as New copies (regardless of whether it's the "last copy" or not)
Either used to or still do re-seal these open games and pass them off as "New"
Gamestop removed an item from a New game and did not inform anyone about this, until they were caught doing it
Often sell games that require a "competitive service" (read: Portal 2, Civ 5, etc.)


Pretty scumbag move if you ask me, regardless of who is at fault.
portal/civ use steam as they are steamworks/steam games
Deus Ex is a steamworks game, it uses steam

HOWEVER it does not need onlive, onlive is a competing company

Lets put it this way, if you think this is really wrong, why is Square Enix apologizing to gamestop?

portal/civ use steam as they are steamworks/steam games
Deus Ex is a steamworks game, it uses steam

HOWEVER it does not need onlive, onlive is a competing company

Lets put it this way, if you think this is really wrong, why is Square Enix apologizing to gamestop?

Steam is a digital distribution engine, therefore bypassing the whole idea of Gamestop... it is a competing service.

portal/civ use steam as they are steamworks/steam games
Deus Ex is a steamworks game, it uses steam

HOWEVER it does not need onlive, onlive is a competing company

Lets put it this way, if you think this is really wrong, why is Square Enix apologizing to gamestop?
There's a simple and plausible explanation for that. It could be because Square Enix feels they GS more than GS needs SqEnix even if SqEnix doesn't think they are in the wrong. It's not uncommon for people in the corporate world to apologize for something even if they did nothing wrong. In other words, sometimes people make a conscious decision to set aside their pride for the interests of business.

Steam is a digital distribution engine, therefore bypassing the whole idea of Gamestop... it is a competing service.
but gamestop isn't SELLING steam to people
Its selling a game that requires steam to run

you're not getting the point.
Gamestop is selling a product, how the end user uses the product or is required to use the product isn't their concern
What is their concern is that it bundles a competitor's product within the game product.

Again its the same as you buying an iphone from verizon and it comes bundled with an AT&T Sim card and free service on AT&T.

Why the hell would verizon sell a product that promotes AT&T service?

And Gamestop announced back in April they were gonna start a streaming service:
http://techmento.com/2011/04/04/gamestop-announces-gaming-tablet-game-streaming-service/

There's a simple and plausible explanation for that. It could be because Square Enix feels they GS more than GS needs SqEnix even if SqEnix doesn't think they are in the wrong. It's not uncommon for people in the corporate world to apologize for something even if they did nothing wrong. In other words, sometimes people make a conscious decision to set aside their pride for the interests of business.
oh i agree completely, but i think my point's still valid.
what gamestop SHOULD have done was just refused to carry the game, not remove the code.
But its gamestop's Right to refuse to sell the product in its current state.

oh i agree completely, but i think my point's still valid.
what gamestop SHOULD have done was just refused to carry the game, not remove the code.
But its gamestop's Right to refuse to sell the product in its current state.
Agreed, but it's still shady that they were doing this without any online announcement, a sign in the store, or the cashier mentioning it in passing once you checked out. If they were upfront about it with their customers (regardless of their intentions) then it wouldn't have been nearly as big of a deal.

So hasn't it been established that GS employees take games home, play them, bring them back, repackage them(minus shrinkwrap) and then put them back on the shelves as new games even though they're clearly not?

To be honest, part of the fun in buying a new game/cd/movie is struggling with the packaging my damn self. :lol:

But on the point of GS opening the game and removing stuff then resealing... they admitted to opening/removing items, what's stopping them from just resealing it? If the GS stores no longer have the heat sealers, fine.. but like I said I haven't really stopped in recently, and I can just remind myself why now.
slip it into the plastic bag. vacuum the air out. heat seal the plastic shut.
Then you gotta take the blow dryer thing and melt down the corners and the edges so it actually was a snug wrap.

They "open" new games to gut them, to put the box out on the shelf
yes its a shady practice, but i haven't heard any taking items actively out of the game case.
If they did, i can assure you the Store Manager would've been fired along with any employees.

The last few PC games I've bought were not typically shrink wrapped. They were boxed and sealed with a round-ish sticker at both ends. Bioshock 2 was my last release date purchase and iirc it came in a box and was in a DVD case with the dvd type edge sticker seal. But I havnt even looked at DE so I dont know if it comes boxed + DVD or as a DVD case that is shrink wrapped.

So hasn't it been established that GS employees take games home, play them, bring them back, repackage them(minus shrinkwrap) and then put them back on the shelves as new games even though they're clearly not?

To be honest, part of the fun in buying a new game/cd/movie is struggling with the packaging my damn self. :lol:
depends on the store manager, when i was at EB Games, we were only allowed to take out used games.

I know my local store here lets employees take out new games, so i don't say it doesn't happen.

but gamestop isn't SELLING steam to people
Its selling a game that requires steam to run

you're not getting the point.
Gamestop is selling a product, how the end user uses the product or is required to use the product isn't their concern
What is their concern is that it bundles a competitor's product within the game product.

Again its the same as you buying an iphone from verizon and it comes bundled with an AT&T Sim card and free service on AT&T.

Why the hell would verizon sell a product that promotes AT&T service?

And Gamestop announced back in April they were gonna start a streaming service:
http://techmento.com/2011/04/04/gamestop-announces-gaming-tablet-game-streaming-service/


oh i agree completely, but i think my point's still valid.
what gamestop SHOULD have done was just refused to carry the game, not remove the code.
But its gamestop's Right to refuse to sell the product in its current state.


What do you call Civilization 5 and Portal 2 requiring Steamworks?? Gamestop sells those games and you need to use Steam to play them.

Besides, you pretty much solidified my point:
Gamestop is selling a product, how the end user uses the product or is required to use the product isn't their concern
Gamestop's concern is NOT what the end user does with the product. The OnLive key was an ADDITIONAL item, not the ONLY way to play the game. Most users probably didn't even use it, to be honest.

The last few PC games I've bought were not typically shrink wrapped. They were boxed and sealed with a round-ish sticker at both ends. Bioshock 2 was my last release date purchase and iirc it came in a box and was in a DVD case with the dvd type edge sticker seal. But I havnt even looked at DE so I dont know if it comes boxed + DVD or as a DVD case that is shrink wrapped.
that could be from the distributor themselves as i know my Starcraft II didn't come sealed.
I believe PC games unless they're in only the DVD case are completely sealed.

What do you call Civilization 5 and Portal 2 requiring Steamworks?? Gamestop sells those games and you need to use Steam to play them.

Besides, you pretty much solidified my point:

Gamestop's concern is NOT what the end user does with the product. The OnLive key was an ADDITIONAL item, not the ONLY way to play the game. Most users probably didn't even use it, to be honest.
answer my iphone example then.

I know my local store here lets employees take out new games, so i don't say it doesn't happen.

Even more reasoning behind why I never shop at GS. Unfortunately, some people see it as the only place to buy games.

I'll support my local mom and pop shop. It's cheaper, friendlier and doesn't smell like nerd sweat.

Even more reasoning behind why I never shop at GS. Unfortunately, some people see it as the only place to buy games.

I'll support my local mom and pop shop. It's cheaper, friendlier and doesn't smell like nerd sweat.
what sucks is the local mom/pop shops are basically gone now in my neighborhood
if i don't want to wait for shipping, its BB/GS/Wally's World/Target

what sucks is the local mom/pop shops are basically gone now in my neighborhood
if i don't want to wait for shipping, its BB/GS/Wally's World/Target

Yeah, I've got a place near here called "Bull Moose Music" and they're always the cheapest place for everything(movies, games, music). I think they've got 7 or 8 stores but they're all in Maine/NH.

that could be from the distributor themselves as i know my Starcraft II didn't come sealed.
I believe PC games unless they're in only the DVD case are completely sealed.


answer my iphone example then.

It doesn't work because when you buy a Verizon iPhone you buy it subsidized on a 2 year contract. Your example would work if, say, Ford didn't sell their cars with FM radio because they were offering their own radio service.

It doesn't work because when you buy a Verizon iPhone you buy it subsidized on a 2 year contract. Your example would work if, say, Ford didn't sell their cars with FM radio because they were offering their own radio service.
what the hell are you talking about, you're saying its ok for apple to bundle AT&T service for free with a phone they supplied to Verizon to sell on their network?

And who said anything about having to sign a contract with verizon? You can buy the phone straight without a contract.

what the hell are you talking about, you're saying its ok for apple to bundle AT&T service for free with a phone they supplied to Verizon to sell on their network?

And who said anything about having to sign a contract with verizon? You can buy the phone straight without a contract.

I think you are confusing yourself.

Please try again in 30 minutes. :lmao:

what the hell are you talking about, you're saying its ok for apple to bundle AT&T service for free with a phone they supplied to Verizon to sell on their network?

And who said anything about having to sign a contract with verizon? You can buy the phone straight without a contract.
I think you are confusing yourself.

Please try again in 30 minutes. :lmao:

You guys should wrestle it out.

You guys should wrestle it out.
MMA rules of course, and it takes place in a gym after both of you sign waivers.

I think you are confusing yourself.

Please try again in 30 minutes. :lmao:
my example was you buy a iphone from verizon, and inside the box there's an AT&T Sim card and free AT&T phone service

How is this different from buying deus ex from gamestop, and finding a free onlive copy service in there?

what the hell are you talking about, you're saying its ok for apple to bundle AT&T service for free with a phone they supplied to Verizon to sell on their network?

And who said anything about having to sign a contract with verizon? You can buy the phone straight without a contract.

So you're telling me Verizon removes the iTunes store from all iPhones because it competes with V Cast Media?

http://products.verizonwireless.com/index.aspx?id=fnd_music

What about removing roaming capabilities due to Verizon having to shell out money to have customers roam on other company towers?

That whole wifi calling thing? I bet Verizon removes that capability because it directly competes with their business.




No, sorry, I don't think they do.

my example was you buy a iphone from verizon, and inside the box there's an AT&T Sim card and free AT&T phone service

How is this different from buying deus ex from gamestop, and finding a free onlive copy service in there?


As I said before, your example doesn't work :lmao::lmao:

Let me ask you this, would you be okay with GS removing game manuals because it directly competes with them selling strategy guides? I don't think you would.

Let me ask you this, would you be okay with GS removing game manuals because it directly competes with them selling strategy guides? I don't think you would.
The guides aren't made by Gamestop

And why won't the example work? You can buy an iphone without a contract from verizon
Here look!
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5594
select month to month and you'll see a $645 dollar charge for full retail price
Now there's no contract here

So you're telling me Verizon removes the iTunes store from all iPhones because it competes with V Cast Media?

http://products.verizonwireless.com/index.aspx?id=fnd_music

What about removing roaming capabilities due to Verizon having to shell out money to have customers roam on other company towers?

That whole wifi calling thing? I bet Verizon removes that capability because it directly competes with their business.




No, sorry, I don't think they do.




As I said before, your example doesn't work :lmao::lmao:
and verizon actually does remove lots of features from their phone and install their own stuff on there
Look at a totally clean Android Froyo install and compare it to say a Droid X/2 Froyo install.

The guides aren't made by Gamestop

And why won't the example work? You can buy an iphone without a contract from verizon
Here look!
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5594
select month to month and you'll see a $645 dollar charge for full retail price
Now there's no contract here

Yes I understand you can buy an iPhone on Verizon without a contract... that's not what YOUR point was.


Seriously, is this whole iPhone thing your own standing point in this conversation? If so, move along, kiddo...

Yes I understand you can buy an iPhone on Verizon without a contract... that's not what YOUR point was.


Seriously, is this whole iPhone thing your own standing point in this conversation? If so, move along, kiddo...
what the fark is wrong with you
Are you this farking dense?

We're arguing about bundling competitor's service within a product.
Verizon's Iphone bundled with AT&T Service without verizon knowing
It's an example, How do you not see that this is the same?

Are you this dense?
you're from suffolk aren't you

what the fark is wrong with you
Are you this farking dense?

We're arguing about bundling competitor's service within a product.
Verizon's Iphone bundled with AT&T Service without verizon knowing
How do you not see that this is the same?

Are you this dense?

Yeah man, I must be that dense to defend a company opening a product before selling it to me under false pretenses :omg::omg:

Seriously, you MUST work at Gamestop.

I gave you concrete examples of how Verizon DOESN'T do what you say they do, but you keep going back to that one point (which isn't even a good point, mind you).


And no, I'm not from Suffolk. Nice try going for the personal attacks, by the way. Real mature :rolleyes:

Yeah man, I must be that dense to defend a company opening a product before selling it to me under false pretenses :omg::omg:

Seriously, you MUST work at Gamestop.

I gave you concrete examples of how Verizon DOESN'T do what you say they do, but you keep going back to that one point (which isn't even a good point, mind you).


And no, I'm not from Suffolk. Nice try going for the personal attacks, by the way. Real mature :rolleyes:
Jesus are you really hard at reading?
Did you graduate from Roosevelt or something? i mean seriously I was giving a farking example of what its the equivalent of.

We're not ARGUING that gamestop's a shady corporation and they did a bonehead thing

i'm arguing gamestop has the RIGHT to dictate how and what it wishes to sell, and it found a competitor's product hidden inside a product it was selling, its their choice whether to sell or not.

As stated before with Godfather, the LOGICAL thing to do would be to refuse to sell the game and send back to Square. Your REFUSAL to compare the actions gamestop did to an example just shows me you're trolling hard or you're just this dense.

MMA rules of course, and it takes place in a gym after both of you sign waivers.
this could happen btw, apparently this dude lives within an hour of me

we should def throw down

this could happen btw, apparently this dude lives within an hour of me

we should def throw down
well then what are you waiting for? give him your google voice number and lets get this shit underway.

Jesus are you really hard at reading?
Did you graduate from Roosevelt or something? i mean seriously I was giving a farking example of what its the equivalent of.

We're not ARGUING that gamestop's a shady corporation and they did a bonehead thing

i'm arguing gamestop has the RIGHT to dictate how and what it wishes to sell, and it found a competitor's product hidden inside a product it was selling, its their choice whether to sell or not.

As stated before with Godfather, the LOGICAL thing to do would be to refuse to sell the game and send back to Square. Your REFUSAL to compare the actions gamestop did to an example just shows me you're trolling hard or you're just this dense.


this could happen btw, apparently this dude lives within an hour of me

we should def throw down

Whatever man, apparently your panties are in a bunch over this. Please show me where Gamestop has the right to modify a package's contents and sell it off as if nothing happened.

this could happen btw, apparently this dude lives within an hour of me

we should def throw down
well then what are you waiting for? give him your google voice number and lets get this shit underway.


Me and GF can be special guest referees.

Me and GF can be special guest referees.
and co-announcers like Bruce and Michael Buffer.

and co-announcers like Bruce and Michael Buffer.

Yeah boi!

:highfive:

and co-announcers like Bruce and Michael Buffer.

http://jasonbatemanfansite.com/v-web/gallery/albums/album09/cotton.sized.jpg

Usually you pay double for that kind of action, Cotton

so they've stopped selling the game.

I hope square just stops letting them sell their games.

http://jasonbatemanfansite.com/v-web/gallery/albums/album09/cotton.sized.jpg

Usually you pay double for that kind of action, Cotton

:clap:

Boycott Gamestop. They are pulling some shenanigans here.

They are taking codes from Deus Ex Human Revolution retail boxes and selling the retail boxes without the included code and filling preorders with those pulled codes. Unethical indeed.

http://www.1up.com/news/deus-ex-pc-pulled-gamestop-onlive-code

Lets put it this way, if you think this is really wrong, why is Square Enix apologizing to gamestop?
Because squeenix can't afford to piss off a retailer making them tons of money.

Whatever man, apparently your panties are in a bunch over this. Please show me where Gamestop has the right to modify a package's contents and sell it off as if nothing happened.
the announcement from square saying they allow gamestop to do it?
“As part of Deus Ex: Human Revolution’s boxed offering on PC, Square Enix included a third party coupon," said the company in a statement. "GameStop was not made aware of this inclusion and Square Enix respects the right of GameStop to have final say over the contents of products it sells and to adjust them where they see fit in accordance with their policies."

"Square Enix invites gamers who want to purchase the PC version of Deus Ex: Human Revolution without additional coupons to buy the game at any one of over 4000 GameStop stores in North America," continued the statement, "or purchase a digital download copy online from www.gamestop.com. “

guess they're ok with this one.

Because squeenix can't afford to piss off a retailer making them tons of money.
oh i agree, but still its just stupid when people exaggerate things out of proportions because its gamestop.
Just like the whole EA Origins bullshit that Steam Fanboys are all excited about.

so they've stopped selling the game.

I hope square just stops letting them sell their games.
they wont, and its also only the regular edition
apparently the collectors version didn't have this code in it

they wont, and its also only the regular edition
apparently the collectors version didn't have this code in it

I still think the last line of that announcement is a mini-snipe at GS :lol:

the announcement from square saying they allow gamestop to do it?

Square may be OK with GS doing it, but there's no way consumers should be expected to accept it. I think that's the point of the uproar.

In this case, and its to remove a competitor's item
and SE has come out and apologized, and GS has decided to not sell the PC version that contains this item......
You're claiming they do it all the time, that they've done it back in 2006.

Only it wasn't a "competitor's item" that was removed. It was one of two licenses that were provided in the box.

SE shipped the retail PC box of Deus Ex HR with -two- license keys:

1) Steam
2) OnLive

GS pulled one of those licenses without informing consumers that it was essentially taking out half of the product.

portal/civ use steam as they are steamworks/steam games
Deus Ex is a steamworks game, it uses steam

HOWEVER it does not need onlive, onlive is a competing company

Lets put it this way, if you think this is really wrong, why is Square Enix apologizing to gamestop?

OnLive is no more a competitor to GameStop than Steam is. In fact, at the moment, Steam is much more of a DIRECT competitor to GS (as it actually has its own DD service up and running) yet GS did not pull the Steam license code from the box. It only pulled the OnLive license code.

Depending on the platform you wish to play, you may very well need the OnLive license. The Steam license works for PCs, but won't work on Macs. The OnLive license works on both Macs and PCs. It also belies your point that Steamworks is a required element, as the OnLive copy does not have Steamworks integrated.

As for the "apologizing," you obviously haven't read the statement. Anyone who thinks that is a full apology and not a veiled snipe (at a company with a near-monopoly on game sales in much of North America) needs to read it again.

but gamestop isn't SELLING steam to people
Its selling a game that requires steam to run

you're not getting the point.
Gamestop is selling a product, how the end user uses the product or is required to use the product isn't their concern
What is their concern is that it bundles a competitor's product within the game product.

Again its the same as you buying an iphone from verizon and it comes bundled with an AT&T Sim card and free service on AT&T.

Why the hell would verizon sell a product that promotes AT&T service?

And Gamestop announced back in April they were gonna start a streaming service:
http://techmento.com/2011/04/04/gamestop-announces-gaming-tablet-game-streaming-service/


oh i agree completely, but i think my point's still valid.
what gamestop SHOULD have done was just refused to carry the game, not remove the code.
But its gamestop's Right to refuse to sell the product in its current state.

The version with the STEAM license key requires Steam to run.
The version with the ONLIVE license key requires OnLive to run.

As pointed out earlier, Steam is much more of a direct competitor to GS, yet GS didn't pull the Steam codes. Hell, if you buy the digital download version from GS you get...a STEAM license key.

Given that GS has its own DD service, that is the exact equivalent of Verizon selling an iPhone with an ATT SIM bundled inside because even though GS is selling the game on its DD service, you can only play it on the competitor's (Steam) service.

In short, GameStop's answer doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Only it wasn't a "competitor's item" that was removed. It was one of two licenses that were provided in the box.

SE shipped the retail PC box of Deus Ex HR with -two- license keys:

1) Steam
2) OnLive

GS pulled one of those licenses without informing consumers that it was essentially taking out half of the product.



OnLive is no more a competitor to GameStop than Steam is. In fact, at the moment, Steam is much more of a DIRECT competitor to GS (as it actually has its own DD service up and running) yet GS did not pull the Steam license code from the box. It only pulled the OnLive license code.

Depending on the platform you wish to play, you may very well need the OnLive license. The Steam license works for PCs, but won't work on Macs. The OnLive license works on both Macs and PCs. It also belies your point that Steamworks is a required element, as the OnLive copy does not have Steamworks integrated.

As for the "apologizing," you obviously haven't read the statement. Anyone who thinks that is a full apology and not a veiled snipe (at a company with a near-monopoly on game sales in much of North America) needs to read it again.



The version with the STEAM license key requires Steam to run.
The version with the ONLIVE license key requires OnLive to run.

As pointed out earlier, Steam is much more of a direct competitor to GS, yet GS didn't pull the Steam codes. Hell, if you buy the digital download version from GS you get...a STEAM license key.

Given that GS has its own DD service, that is the exact equivalent of Verizon selling an iPhone with an ATT SIM bundled inside because even though GS is selling the game on its DD service, you can only play it on the competitor's (Steam) service.

In short, GameStop's answer doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
and yet i haven't seen any class action suits launched
I find it entertaining why people seem to think this uproar is so major.
If its so cut/dry, why the hell hasn't any law firm jumped up for the chance to win and collect $$$ for time rendered?

Lets put it this way:
Gamestop knows you need steam to run the game, however you're paying gamestop, not steam/valve when you buy the game. Now im SURE if gamestop's selling a game that requires onlive to play, and they get the full revenue, then yes they will continue to sell the game. What gamestop in essence is complaining and bitching about is that they're losing revenue by giving away an onlive copy of the full game.

and yet i haven't seen any class action suits launched
I find it entertaining why people seem to think this uproar is so major.
If its so cut/dry, why the hell hasn't any law firm jumped up for the chance to win and collect $$$ for time rendered?

Lets put it this way:
Gamestop knows you need steam to run the game, however you're paying gamestop, not steam/valve when you buy the game. Now im SURE if gamestop's selling a game that requires onlive to play, and they get the full revenue, then yes they will continue to sell the game. What gamestop in essence is complaining and bitching about is that they're losing revenue by giving away an onlive copy of the full game.

Don't jump the gun there, skippy... Husker's just finishing up proofreading before submitting it.

Don't jump the gun there, skippy... Husker's just finishing up proofreading before submitting it.
i don't mean just this, people apparently claim its common practice by GS to sell used games as new, taking out stuff, re-shrink wrapping, etc
gamestop/eb/funcoland/etc's been around since i can recall as a kid, why hasn't anyone brought any case up against them?

and yet i haven't seen any class action suits launched
I find it entertaining why people seem to think this uproar is so major.
If its so cut/dry, why the hell hasn't any law firm jumped up for the chance to win and collect $$$ for time rendered?

Lets put it this way:
Gamestop knows you need steam to run the game, however you're paying gamestop, not steam/valve when you buy the game. Now im SURE if gamestop's selling a game that requires onlive to play, and they get the full revenue, then yes they will continue to sell the game. What gamestop in essence is complaining and bitching about is that they're losing revenue by giving away an onlive copy of the full game.

I don't believe there's a difference in this case. Yes, GS gets the money for a steamworks copy, but it also does for OnLive as well. Both Steam and OnLive are competitors to GS at this point but GS can bully the latter as it's not as established. I remember reading something this morning about GS unveiling a game streaming service that's set to go into beta in 2012..

i don't mean just this, people apparently claim its common practice by GS to sell used games as new, taking out stuff, re-shrink wrapping, etc
gamestop/eb/funcoland/etc's been around since i can recall as a kid, why hasn't anyone brought any case up against them?

Probably the same reason why bajillions of people buy an iphone, MW2 and expensive MW2 packs....

It's like.. as long as they keep getting prodded from behind, they remain part of the flock.

and yet i haven't seen any class action suits launched
I find it entertaining why people seem to think this uproar is so major.
If its so cut/dry, why the hell hasn't any law firm jumped up for the chance to win and collect $$$ for time rendered?

Lets put it this way:
Gamestop knows you need steam to run the game, however you're paying gamestop, not steam/valve when you buy the game. Now im SURE if gamestop's selling a game that requires onlive to play, and they get the full revenue, then yes they will continue to sell the game. What gamestop in essence is complaining and bitching about is that they're losing revenue by giving away an onlive copy of the full game.

Considering that GameStop gave in and committed to offering full refunds to anyone who bought DeusEx and didn't get their OnLive license there aren't really any damages for a consumer to sue over. Said consumer can return the product to the store and be made whole.

As for losing revenue by selling a game with two licenses inside, how?

EVERY PC boxed copy of Deus Ex: HR ships with two licenses inside. It's essentially a 2-for-one deal.

It also makes paying $50 for a boxed copy very competitive with buying a Steam license from an online vendor for ~$34. Having the second license in there was an incentive to drive people to purchase the boxed copy from a retail store at FULL MSRP, rather than going online and buying a discounted Steam license.

From a consumer PoV activating a Steam license vs an Onlive license from a retail box is idential.

Steam:
1) Download free client
2) Sign up / Log in
3) Enter license key

OnLive:
1) Download free client
2) Sign up / Log in
3) Enter license key

By removing one license key, GameStop has devalued the product it sells. There is NO INCENTIVE to pay more for the retail box at GS (which GS makes a profit on selling) when you can either go to another B&M shop and get the copy with 2 license keys -or- go online and PAY A LOT LESS for a Steam key.

Really, the license keys are the only thing in the box of any real value.

Now, since you made such a big deal out of your iPhone example, can you please illustrate why GS selling a DD version of DXHR over its online store that REQUIRES a competitor's service to use (Steam) is not analogous to your iPhone hypothetical?

Square may be OK with GS doing it, but there's no way consumers should be expected to accept it. I think that's the point of the uproar.
Exactly.

Now, since you made such a big deal out of your iPhone example, can you please illustrate why GS selling a DD version of DXHR over its online store that REQUIRES a competitor's service to use (Steam) is not analogous to your iPhone hypothetical?

Because that's his only argument ;)

Because squeenix can't afford to piss off a retailer making them tons of money.

Yeah GS is their customer and it's not wise** to poop where you eat.

Other than day one purchases is there a reason to buy a game at GS? I'm not being a richard either, I just order with Amazon (no tax, release date delivery, great CS). Other than some superfan midnight launch items, what's the upshot?

**There might be at least one good time to do it but I can't think of it right now because I haven't slept much the past few days.

There is no upshot, GameStop needs to die.

I haven't bought a single item from them since they lied to me about a preorder causing me to miss a CE I wanted.

GameStop's console game streaming in early beta
(http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2011-08-19-gamestops-console-game-streaming-in-early-beta)

GameStop's console game streaming in early beta
by Matt Martin

US retailer GameStop is currently beta testing the streaming of PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 games, with a plan to roll-out a consumer service by the middle of next year.

Earlier this year the company bought Spawn Labs, extending its peer-to-peer game streaming service into a cloud gaming offering, and promised "a wide selection of high-definition video games on demand on any internet-enabled device."

Yesterday it revealed that as well as PC game streaming, it is working with publishers to stream console games to smart devices as well as dedicated hardware via the Spawn software client.

"Spawn recently began its first beta and is currently live, testing the streaming of Xbox 360, PS3 and PC games from a data centre in Austin, Texas," confirmed GameStop president Tony Bartel.

"We continue to get positive feedback from our publishing partners about the pro-console, low-investment model that we have chosen."

The closed beta will go national before the end of the year. At the beginning of 2012 GameStop is expected to reveal more details about the service and what it offers, along with a pricing model - and a nationwide launch is currently scheduled for the first half of 2012.

The Spawn client will be offered to GameStop's PowerUp Rewards members - currently 12 million customers - and feature a demo service which it's claimed will not require publishers to modify their games.

Cloud gaming technology from Gaikai and OnLive is already proving a viable business, offering PC games and demos over the internet with very little in the way of dedicated hardware beyond the right control method.

Behind closed doors these technologies have also shown format crossover such as World of Warcraft running on an iPad or console and full PC games launching from within Facebook.

And with the growth of Smart and connected TVs, both Gaikai and OnLive are dropping their technology directly into the hardware and consulting on dedicated controllers, taking streaming games straight to the consumer's living room - an area that GameStop is also interested in.

"Those conversations are taking place today," offered Bartel. "There's a whole cadre of services that GameStop can offer far beyond just Spawn. The beauty of Spawn is it can take a very large assortment of games. There's really no restriction versus an Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 game.

"We're also experimenting with PC game delivery as well, but we can take that to any Internet-connected device including TV. So clearly, it's part of our acquisition forethought. We anticipated being involved in smart TVs as well."

Considering that GameStop gave in and committed to offering full refunds to anyone who bought DeusEx and didn't get their OnLive license there aren't really any damages for a consumer to sue over. Said consumer can return the product to the store and be made whole.

As for losing revenue by selling a game with two licenses inside, how?

EVERY PC boxed copy of Deus Ex: HR ships with two licenses inside. It's essentially a 2-for-one deal.

It also makes paying $50 for a boxed copy very competitive with buying a Steam license from an online vendor for ~$34. Having the second license in there was an incentive to drive people to purchase the boxed copy from a retail store at FULL MSRP, rather than going online and buying a discounted Steam license.

From a consumer PoV activating a Steam license vs an Onlive license from a retail box is idential.

Steam:
1) Download free client
2) Sign up / Log in
3) Enter license key

OnLive:
1) Download free client
2) Sign up / Log in
3) Enter license key

By removing one license key, GameStop has devalued the product it sells. There is NO INCENTIVE to pay more for the retail box at GS (which GS makes a profit on selling) when you can either go to another B&M shop and get the copy with 2 license keys -or- go online and PAY A LOT LESS for a Steam key.

Really, the license keys are the only thing in the box of any real value.

Now, since you made such a big deal out of your iPhone example, can you please illustrate why GS selling a DD version of DXHR over its online store that REQUIRES a competitor's service to use (Steam) is not analogous to your iPhone hypothetical?
cause the competitor (steam) doesn't get the revenue, gamestop does.
I'm telling you gamestop sees onlive as getting involved in their console streaming, they don't care about PC gaming (as evident with their lack of a PC Section in most stores)
So yes its direct competition.

and regarding the iphone analogy, im pretty damn sure verizon would stop carrying iphones with AT&T Sim Cards for sale.

Also not every PC Copy of the game comes with OnLive, some reason the Augmented edition doesn't come with the OnLive voucher.

And my general comment about gamestop being sued is for all the idiots that claim they're breaking the law by selling used games as new and passing them off as new by shrinkwrap/sealing. If this was such a commonly known practice for over 20 years, you'd have thought gamestop would be fielding lawsuits now.

cause the competitor (steam) doesn't get the revenue, gamestop does.
I'm telling you gamestop sees onlive as getting involved in their console streaming, they don't care about PC gaming (as evident with their lack of a PC Section in most stores)
So yes its direct competition..

That's not entirely true. If they didn't care about PC gaming, they wouldn't have purchased Impulse a couple months back..

Yeah GS is their customer and it's not wise** to poop where you eat.

Other than day one purchases is there a reason to buy a game at GS? I'm not being a richard either, I just order with Amazon (no tax, release date delivery, great CS). Other than some superfan midnight launch items, what's the upshot?

**There might be at least one good time to do it but I can't think of it right now because I haven't slept much the past few days.
They've had some decent deals on used games in the past. I've bought at least 3 or 4 games from them online with coupon codes that made it much cheaper than buying used from ebay or amazon. Those are few and far in between though. Almost all of my purchases are through amazon and gohastings these days.

They've had some decent deals on used games in the past. I've bought at least 3 or 4 games from them online with coupon codes that made it much cheaper than buying used from ebay or amazon. Those are few and far in between though. Almost all of my purchases are through amazon and gohastings these days.
the main reason why i'd still use gamestop is because i have found selling games on Amazon or trading them into Amazon net me basically the same return as trading into gamestop during their big promos.

I just sold my copy of Catherine on Amazon for $45.00 + 4 dollars shipping, amazon took 9 dollar cut, cost me $3.50 to ship it, and had to dig for my last padded envelope pack.
i get in my account $33.00 - cost of padded envelope, so lets just say $32.00
If i traded into gamestop last week, it would trade in for 28.00, + 30% Trade-in promo +10% edge card = $40.00 gamestop trade-in credit, and the trade-in credit is tax free for my purchase unlike amazon.

Look im not saying what gamestop did was right, or it was smart.
I said a few pages ago it was a moronic move, and once they found out the onlive code was in there, they should've just refused to sell the game. They made it an issue by removing the code, but nothing says they're wrong to refuse to sell a game they feel there's a competitor's product in.

Hell you should see some of the marketing kits that come in for gamestop, corporate is really moronic sometimes. They sent a Sims 3 endcap poster that had a family buying Sims 3 games/expansions, and the picture of the mom was pushing a walmart cart lol

cause the competitor (steam) doesn't get the revenue, gamestop does.

Which is exactly the same in the case of the OnLive license.

So again, how is it different?

I'm telling you gamestop sees onlive as getting involved in their console streaming, they don't care about PC gaming (as evident with their lack of a PC Section in most stores)
So yes its direct competition.


OnLive does not stream console games. It only streams PC games.

The only difference between Steam and OnLive is that Steam requires a download and runs the PC game locally on your hardware. OnLive does not require a download and runs the PC game remotely on their hardware. Otherwise there is no core functional difference.

and regarding the iphone analogy, im pretty damn sure verizon would stop carrying iphones with AT&T Sim Cards for sale.

Except GameStop has no problem selling a game which requires a competitive service (Steam) to run. Steam is not a core component of DXHR. If GS wanted to throw its weight around, it could demand a Steam-free version. It hasn't. It is HAPPY to sell a game that REQUIRES a competitor's service to run in that case.

Why do you think that is?

Also not every PC Copy of the game comes with OnLive, some reason the Augmented edition doesn't come with the OnLive voucher.

You'll note I call out the $50 MSRP version (ie standard, non CE).

Currently you can pay the following for the standard version:
2 licenses, boxed copy (anywhere but GS) = $50 (or $25 per license)
1 license, digital download from GS = $50 (requires Steam to run)
1 license, digital download from GMG = $34 (requires Steam to run)

And GS wants a 1 license, boxed copy it can sell for $50. How is that supposed to be competitive?

And my general comment about gamestop being sued is for all the idiots that claim they're breaking the law by selling used games as new and passing them off as new by shrinkwrap/sealing. If this was such a commonly known practice for over 20 years, you'd have thought gamestop would be fielding lawsuits now.

Um, they have faced lawsuits over the years for just that. Try a Google search before making sweeping statements if you're not familiar with history.

You guys bring up some valid points. I don't sell my games back (unless the game starts with BR and ends with INK) or trade them in so I've never had the urge to go to GS for that purpose.

I do have a buddy who gets some nice discounts on new releases using his old games but I'm certainly don't miss hearing, "Do you want to put $5 down for ABC game...well, then would you like to sign up for Game Informer?...to be honest it's really one of the best game maga..."

cause the competitor (steam) doesn't get the revenue, gamestop does.
I'm telling you gamestop sees onlive as getting involved in their console streaming, they don't care about PC gaming (as evident with their lack of a PC Section in most stores)
So yes its direct competition.

and regarding the iphone analogy, im pretty damn sure verizon would stop carrying iphones with AT&T Sim Cards for sale.

Also not every PC Copy of the game comes with OnLive, some reason the Augmented edition doesn't come with the OnLive voucher.

And my general comment about gamestop being sued is for all the idiots that claim they're breaking the law by selling used games as new and passing them off as new by shrinkwrap/sealing. If this was such a commonly known practice for over 20 years, you'd have thought gamestop would be fielding lawsuits now.
Just so you know.... verizon iphone doesn't work on att and vice versa. Sort of like 360 games on ps3 and such... Didnt want to join the conversation and spew my hate for gamestop but just found it funny no one mentioned this...

Just so you know.... verizon iphone doesn't work on att and vice versa. Sort of like 360 games on ps3 and such... Didnt want to join the conversation and spew my hate for gamestop but just found it funny no one mentioned this...
no shit sherlock, but iphone 5 is rumored to be dual band.
Its called an example. I would've used the Blackberry Bold for verizon that has both CDMA and a GSM Antenna, but i figured i'd make it easy for people on using the iphone in an example.

Which is exactly the same in the case of the OnLive license.

So again, how is it different?



OnLive does not stream console games. It only streams PC games.

The only difference between Steam and OnLive is that Steam requires a download and runs the PC game locally on your hardware. OnLive does not require a download and runs the PC game remotely on their hardware. Otherwise there is no core functional difference.



Except GameStop has no problem selling a game which requires a competitive service (Steam) to run. Steam is not a core component of DXHR. If GS wanted to throw its weight around, it could demand a Steam-free version. It hasn't. It is HAPPY to sell a game that REQUIRES a competitor's service to run in that case.

Why do you think that is?



You'll note I call out the $50 MSRP version (ie standard, non CE).

Currently you can pay the following for the standard version:
2 licenses, boxed copy (anywhere but GS) = $50 (or $25 per license)
1 license, digital download from GS = $50 (requires Steam to run)
1 license, digital download from GMG = $34 (requires Steam to run)

And GS wants a 1 license, boxed copy it can sell for $50. How is that supposed to be competitive?



Um, they have faced lawsuits over the years for just that. Try a Google search before making sweeping statements if you're not familiar with history.
playon can be played on "consoles" by getting their TV set.
steam is a core component of DX as its a steamworks game.
Again you're not getting the point, gamestop's already said they're gonna do a streaming service
they view onlive as a competitor.
They don't want to sell a license with onlive on there.
You can't say gamestop's wrong for viewing on live as a competitor.

Again, its not ETHICAL, and im not defending that they did the right thing, im defending the part that they can choose what to sell and what not to sell.

Either way, the point's moot as the game's been recalled back.

And gamestop lawsuits, are you talking about the "deceptive selling" where they're getting sued for selling used copies that have on the box the default 1 time use DLC on?
or the employees suing for overtime?

Closest thing i've seen is here:
http://gamepolitics.com/2011/08/24/attorney-mark-methenitis-gamestop-onlive-fiasco
Methenitis closes by saying that some of GameStop’s policies might have violated Federal Trade Commission policy. One in particular is an employee "rental plan" that lets employees rent brand new games. The problem is that these "rented titles" are brought back to the store and sold as "new" products for full price. This practice has been going on for several years and was the subject of a class action lawsuit against the company which inevitably failed.

Game|Life contacted the Federal Trade Commission for comment and got the following response:

"The FTC Act prohibits unfair and deceptive business practices," an FTC representative told Wired.com. "So if a company misrepresents that a product is new and doesn’t make adequate disclosures that it has been open or used, then that could be considered deceptive."

but it failed it seems

no shit sherlock, but iphone 5 is rumored to be dual band.
Its called an example. I would've used the Blackberry Bold for verizon that has both CDMA and a GSM Antenna, but i figured i'd make it easy for people on using the iphone in an example.
:lol:
I am sorry for pooing in your potato salad. I just thought that since you were making analogies and examples that you would pick one that suited your argument and was actually possible.

You got your refund, I'm not sure why you're still complaining?


Because I had to waste my time dealing with incompetence, and ended up without the product I was trying to buy.

It's the internet, people complain; it happens, and sometimes they even complain about reading other people's complaints. :wave::D

:lol:
I am sorry for pooing in your potato salad. I just thought that since you were making analogies and examples that you would pick one that suited your argument and was actually possible.

Logic apparently doesn't belong here.

:lol:
I am sorry for pooing in your potato salad. I just thought that since you were making analogies and examples that you would pick one that suited your argument and was actually possible.

IPT mad, bro.

On the bright side, this GS debacle helped me out a bit. I was able to sell my OnLive code for $30, thanks to virtually no competition. Anyone who bought from amazon should do the same, and anyone who bought this from GS is probably pretty pissed right now since they missed out on an easy $25.

Logic apparently doesn't belong here.
you guys do know the iphone 5 is rumored to be a dual band global phone with both sim and CDMA hardware right?
And also LTE uses Sim cards?
K just checking.

On the bright side, this GS debacle helped me out a bit. I was able to sell my OnLive code for $30, thanks to virtually no competition. Anyone who bought from amazon should do the same, and anyone who bought this from GS is probably pretty pissed right now since they missed out on an easy $25.
actually anyone who got it from gamestop got the game for free, as gamestop is issuing refunds no questions asked
register the code with steam, and return the game

actually anyone who got it from gamestop got the game for free, as gamestop is issuing refunds no questions asked
register the code with steam, and return the game

That seems idiotic of them.

you guys do know the iphone 5 is rumored to be a dual band global phone with both sim and CDMA hardware right?
And also LTE uses Sim cards?
K just checking.


you do know it's a rumor lol. besides, dual band does not mean CDMA and GSM. We will see.

you do know it's a rumor lol. besides, dual band does not mean CDMA and GSM. We will see.

multi-mode? Like verizons blackberry world phones?

actually anyone who got it from gamestop got the game for free, as gamestop is issuing refunds no questions asked
register the code with steam, and return the game
Oooh I like it. A taste of their own medicine! Anyone actually try this? I'd be worried that eventually someone (GS, SE, or Steam) would find out I returned it after registering and then revoke the license from my steam account retroactively. Is that even possible with Steam? This is my first steam game so i'm not sure.

multi-mode? Like verizons blackberry world phones?
or Droid 2 Global, Droid Pro?
But ofcourse i'm just making stuff up =)

Oooh I like it. A taste of their own medicine! Anyone actually try this? I'd be worried that eventually someone (GS, SE, or Steam) would find out I returned it after registering and then revoke the license from my steam account retroactively. Is that even possible with Steam? This is my first steam game so i'm not sure.
nope, gamestop basically field destroys any PC returns
Aka they deem them defective and just wait for the District Manager to come process and throw them out

or Droid 2 Global, Droid Pro?

yup, bb storm, older bb global (8900 or something..)
theyve had them for the past couple years

nope, gamestop basically field destroys any PC returns
Aka they deem them defective and just wait for the District Manager to come process and throw them out

So who's losing out on those returns then? Squeenix?

So who's losing out on those returns then? Squeenix?
well yeah corporate will just claim them back from their distributor, who in turn will get the credit back from SE

nope, gamestop basically field destroys any PC returns
Aka they deem them defective and just wait for the District Manager to come process and throw them out
wait a minute, you mean they accept opened PC returns for other games too? that just seems ripe for exploitation.

wait a minute, you mean they accept opened PC returns for other games too? that just seems ripe for exploitation.
well they accept returns on defective games
obviously if you do it multiple times, they'll deny you
Say the off chance a Disk doesn't work/install, they'll exchange it for another copy

So in THEORY you can buy a game, use the key, say it doesn't work, they give you a new copy, sell copy on ebay/amazon

well they accept returns on defective games
obviously if you do it multiple times, they'll deny you
Say the off chance a Disk doesn't work/install, they'll exchange it for another copy

So in THEORY you can buy a game, use the key, say it doesn't work, they give you a new copy, sell copy on ebay/amazon
Wouldn't they just replace the disk instead of giving you an entirely new key? I'd think people would be doing this left and right if it truly were that easy.

multi-mode? Like verizons blackberry world phones?
Yeah the proper term is "dual mode" not "dual band" -- dual band usually refers to 2 frequencies on the same mode.. i.e. 850mhz and 1800mhz.

Yeah the proper term is "dual mode" not "dual band" -- dual band usually refers to 2 frequencies on the same mode.. i.e. 850mhz and 1800mhz.

right i knew dual band/tri band/quad band.. so modes are what they're calling it.. i sees!

Wouldn't they just replace the disk instead of giving you an entirely new key? I'd think people would be doing this left and right if it truly were that easy.
and how many people go to gamestop for PC games
unless its WoW or something, they really don't have much of a PC Market

Hell my local store got 1 collectors Deus Ex someone preordered, and 1 regular edition for sale.

and how many people go to gamestop for PC games
unless its WoW or something, they really don't have much of a PC Market

Hell my local store got 1 collectors Deus Ex someone preordered, and 1 regular edition for sale.
Apparently more than we might think. All of the gamestops in my area stopped taking pre-orders for the Augmented Edition about a week before release due to high demand. It was also sold out on their website.

Apparently more than we might think. All of the gamestops in my area stopped taking pre-orders for the Augmented Edition about a week before release due to high demand. It was also sold out on their website.
i think its more cause of their distributor supply than demand.

Like they stopped WoW cataclysm collectors pretty early, and i think my store fulfilled 15 of them. But bestbuy had like 200 stacked on the floor.

in terms of retailer in this market (gaming), gamestop's pretty small fry compared to Bestbuy, FRYS, Target, etc.

Like all of long island's gamestops received 4 Mario Kart Wii bundles when it released. Bestbuy had towers stacked in 2 stores i went to.

i think its more cause of their distributor supply than demand.

Like they stopped WoW cataclysm collectors pretty early, and i think my store fulfilled 15 of them. But bestbuy had like 200 stacked on the floor.

in terms of retailer in this market (gaming), gamestop's pretty small fry compared to Bestbuy, FRYS, Target, etc.

Like all of long island's gamestops received 4 Mario Kart Wii bundles when it released. Bestbuy had towers stacked in 2 stores i went to.
Augmented Edition was sold out on amazon too and still is out of stock until Monday.

Edit: Ditto for my local BB as well. No augmented editions available there either according to their inventory tracker.

Augmented Edition was sold out on amazon too and still is out of stock until Monday.

Edit: Ditto for my local BB as well. No augmented editions available there either according to their inventory tracker.
seems like PC was really limited then
360/PS3 are still available.

seems like PC was really limited then
360/PS3 are still available.
Yeah apparently, which was why I was surprised that your GS only sold 1 copy of it.

Yeah apparently, which was why I was surprised that your GS only sold 1 copy of it.
honestly besides me who buys PC games there, noone i know buys PC copies
I think they have 6 BF3 PC Preorders, 50 360s and 40 PS3s

honestly besides me who buys PC games there, noone i know buys PC copies


That's because you get the Friends and Family discount.

That's because you get the Friends and Family discount.
well duh lol

actually anyone who got it from gamestop got the game for free, as gamestop is issuing refunds no questions asked
register the code with steam, and return the game

Well GameStop admitted it was in the wrong today.

The company sent out an email offering a free $50 GC and a B2G1 coupon on used games to anyone who purchased the PC edition of Deus Ex: HR from them.

Just bring in your receipt and/or web order confirmation to a local store to get the GC.

http://worthplaying.com/article/2011/8/26/news/83045/

Well GameStop admitted it was in the wrong today.

The company sent out an email offering a free $50 GC and a B2G1 coupon on used games to anyone who purchased the PC edition of Deus Ex: HR from them.

Just bring in your receipt and/or web order confirmation to a local store to get the GC.

http://worthplaying.com/article/2011/8/26/news/83045/
so gamestop still wins, up until this message they were offering full refunds no questions asked.
Now they keep the $$, and just give you store credit (which isn't a loss for them)

How is them offering a $50 gift card not a loss to them? Seem like a good deal for consumers.

How is them offering a $50 gift card not a loss to them? Seem like a good deal for consumers.

Brings customers in. Gift cards can only be spent at gamestop, and what (new) game costs just $50?

How is them offering a $50 gift card not a loss to them? Seem like a good deal for consumers.
50 dollar store credit, store credit has no monetary value, and you have to spend it in the store
Now if it was like a $50.00 Visa Gift card, then yeah they'd lose $$
but since they control where its spent, they win.

50 dollar store credit, store credit has no monetary value, and you have to spend it in the store
Now if it was like a $50.00 Visa Gift card, then yeah they'd lose $$
but since they control where its spent, they win.
They are still giving the item away for free though. If you go in and buy something for $50, they are going to make $0 essentially losing out on a lost profit.

Commercials for this game look pretty BA.

I never played the original, but I think I have the disc (legally... oddly enough) somewhere.

They are still giving the item away for free though. If you go in and buy something for $50, they are going to make $0 essentially losing out on a lost profit.
I should test that :-)

I have a gamestop 2 blocks away from my house but I have stopped buying from Gamestop when I first noticed that they were opening up game boxes and selling them opened as NEW to unsuspecting customers.

If im paying $50+ for a new game I dont want anyone opening it or taking stuff that is soposed to be included for that price from the game unless they give me $10-$15 off of my purchase for buying a "New, opened" game.

You got your refund, I'm not sure why you're still complaining?

And Square enix basically had to apologize to gamestop for including this coupon without informing gamestop first


The game is then pulled from gamestop shelf so you can't buy it even if you want to
http://www.giantbomb.com/news/gamestop-pulling-deus-ex-human-revolution-pc-off-shelves-updated/3618/
Anybody who defends lamestop must work for them or own stock. I haven't bought a game from lamestop in over 3 years. My wallet and karma are just fine with that.

Anybody who defends lamestop must work for them or own stock. I haven't bought a game from lamestop in over 3 years. My wallet and karma are just fine with that.
Hi, thread over 1 month old
gamestop hasn't stocked this game in a month for PC.

Anyone who doesn't check all the facts and makes a decision bases off of personal feeling must be ignorant or pretending to be stupid.

wait people still shop at gamestop???