Original article from Lexington Herald Leader (http://www.kentucky.com/454/story/161993.html)
Mom pushes Applebee's on breast-feeding

WANTS CHANGE IN POLICY AFTER BEING TOLD TO COVER HERSELF

By Linda B. Blackford
LBLACKFORD@HERALD-LEADER.COM

Brooke Ryan nursed her 10-month-old son, Michael, at her home. She says her goal is to teach, not to be provocative. Photo by David Stephenson | Staff
David Stephenson | Staff
Brooke Ryan nursed her 10-month-old son, Michael, at her home. She says her goal is to teach, not to be provocative. Photo by David Stephenson | Staff

In June, Brooke Ryan walked into a Nicholasville Road Applebee's restaurant to celebrate an anniversary lunch with her children.

She walked out humiliated, in tears and without the lunch.

But the incident over breast-feeding her 7-month-old son at Applebee's has spurred the soft-spoken 34-year-old to start a public awareness campaign on the rights of breast-feeding women in Kentucky.

"On a small scale, I want Applebee's to change its policy," Ryan said. "On a large scale ... I want breast-feeding to be accepted."

The dispute with Applebee's began June 14. Ryan chose a booth in the back of the restaurant away from other customers. When her baby, Michael, got hungry, she began to nurse him discreetly, she said.

But a waitress came over and said that if she wanted to breast-feed, she had to cover the baby with a blanket. Ryan said it was so hot that she didn't have a blanket. The waitress then repeated her request. Ryan said she then asked to see the manager and handed him a copy of the 2006 Kentucky law that prohibits interference with a woman breast-feeding her baby in public.

The manager said he knew about the law but a customer had complained about indecent exposure, so she had to cover the baby with a blanket.

Ryan left as her food came, to nurse her baby in the car.

Her lawyer wrote a letter to Thomas & King, the company that operates Applebee's in Central Kentucky. They got no response. After a second letter, a Thomas & King lawyer said the restaurant chain would consider keeping blankets in the restaurant so that breast-feeding women could cover themselves.

"That's like telling Rosa Parks she still had to sit in the back of the bus, but we'll give her a blanket to make her more comfortable," Ryan said.

When contacted yesterday, Mike Scanlon, president of Thomas & King, said he didn't know about the incident. However, he called the Herald-Leader back to say that Applebee's had no policy against breast-feeding.

"It is perfectly legal to breast-feed in public and we support that," Scanlon said. "I'm not sure the manager said cover the baby's head, I think he said cover yourself modestly. This was by no means intended as interference, but a request to do it modestly, which I believe is an appropriate response."

Ryan says that as an experienced breast-feeder, she is extremely modest, and, in that instance, made sure that she was facing into the corner.

"Some women think it's fine to cover up with a blanket, but a woman shouldn't be forced to," said her husband, Michael Ryan.

Sen. Tom Buford, R-Nicholasville, who sponsored the breast-feeding protection bill, agrees.

"She was not treated right under the new law," he said. "There should have been no comment made to her at all; the restaurant overstepped its boundaries. There's no way they can explain their way out of this."

Thirty-nine states, including Kentucky, allow women to breast-feed in any public or private location.

The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends exclusive breast-feeding for about the first six months and support for breast-feeding for the first year and beyond as long as mutually desired by mother and child. But according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, only 11 percent of mothers meet the six-month mark. Thirty percent breast-feed exclusively for the first three months. Kentucky's rates are 7.5 percent and 25 percent, respectively, according to a 2007 report.

Scanlon suggested that Ryan had an "agenda."

"I note with interest that she had a copy of the statute with her," he said. "I'm glad to let this become a matter that we can all learn from."

But if all Ryan wanted going into Applebee's was an anniversary lunch, she may indeed have an agenda now.

August is World Breast-feeding Awareness Month, and Ryan has organized two related public events:

• A "Nurse-In" at the children's play area at Fayette Mall from 1-3 p.m. Saturday. Ryan says the mall is not a target, but has a place for kids to play.

• From noon to 2 p.m. Sept. 8, she is holding a "Nurse Out" with posters and breast-feeding in front of the Applebee's on Nicholasville Road.

She's also asking for a public apology from Applebee's and training for its employees about the rights of breast-feeding mothers. Some day, she says, she would like to see the international breast-feeding symbol of a mother and child in every restaurant that supports the practice.

"I'm not trying to be provocative," she said. "I want to teach."

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EDIT: Added Polling Goodness!

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hmmm, she prolly needed 2 or 3 blankets

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This thread is useless without pics....

Did she think it was Hooters?

BS that she had no agenda. Go to the damn bathroom to breastfeed.

BS that she had no agenda. Go to the damn bathroom to breastfeed.

do you eat your lunch in the bathroom?

do you eat your lunch in the bathroom?

No, but I don't shit myself in public either.


:lol: - sorry that just popped into my head. As the father of two I have no problems with women breastfeeding (modestly) in public.

No, but I don't shit myself in public either.


:lol: - sorry that just popped into my head. As the father of two I have no problems with women breastfeeding (modestly) in public.

:lol:

Great answer Yardboy!

Great answer Yardboy!

great NON-answer.

BS that she had no agenda. Go to the damn bathroom to breastfeed.

I doubt she had an agenda. When a little person smells food, they want to eat too and I think people tend to forget that babies have noses too. However, I think the woman should have tried to comply by either draping a napkin over her shoulder and the baby's head for modesty's sake or gone to her car which she eventually did. Considering that she had the pamphlet on her about the laws of the State regarding breastfeeding, you would think she would also carry a blanket or cover with her too.

I have to agree with Applebee on this one. They were allowing her to feed her baby and they only asked her to cover since somebody complained.

She is creating a double standard. Just because she was discomfort feeding her baby in the public so now she is forcing everyone else around (who may not be comfortable with public breast feeding) to take it.

However, I think the woman should have tried to comply by either draping a napkin over her shoulder and the baby's head for modesty's sake or gone to her car which she eventually did. Considering that she had the pamphlet on her about the laws of the State regarding breastfeeding, you would think she would also carry a blanket or cover with her too.
:iagree:

I have to agree with Applebee on this one. They were allowing her to feed her baby and they only asked her to cover since somebody complained.

Why would someone complain though? You don't like it don't look at it, it's that simple.

I doubt she had an agenda. When a little person smells food, they want to eat too and I think people tend to forget that babies have noses too. However, I think the woman should have tried to comply by either draping a napkin over her shoulder and the baby's head for modesty's sake or gone to her car which she eventually did. Considering that she had the pamphlet on her about the laws of the State regarding breastfeeding, you would think she would also carry a blanket or cover with her too.

That's her agenda. She knew she would be questioned on it and had the pamphlet at the ready. She wanting to once again force government into making PRIVATE business owners do their bidding.

I wouldn't want to see that either when I am out for lunch. Is it really that much to ask that she bring a blanket or else go to the restroom to breastfeed? I don't think so and I don't get why she was so humiliated. Because people pointed out she was breastfeeding? :rolleyes: She was afterall in a public place people are gonna look. And this is just comical :shake: "That's like telling Rosa Parks she still had to sit in the back of the bus, but we'll give her a blanket to make her more comfortable," Ryan said.

Exactly punkie, they didn't ask her NOT to breastfeed, they asked her to cover up.

I wouldn't want to see that either when I am out for lunch. Is it really that much to ask that she bring a blanket or else go to the restroom to breastfeed? I don't think so and I don't get why she was so humiliated. Because people pointed out she was breastfeeding? :rolleyes: She was afterall in a public place people are gonna look. And this is just comical :shake: "That's like telling Rosa Parks she still had to sit in the back of the bus, but we'll give her a blanket to make her more comfortable," Ryan said.

But if you don't like it, you don't have to look. Look the other way, look at your food, look at the ceiling. She was facing the corner, so you couldn't see all the details anyway, so why does it bother you?

So if I want to fling my penis around in public, it's ok? If you don't like it, don't look. If I want to masturbate, it's ok!

Why would someone complain though? You don't like it don't look at it, it's that simple.

:dontknow: Could be many reasons, religious, old fashion, culture, modesty, found it offensive, disgusted, disturb their eating, don't want their little children to see, taboo, etc. Some people don't like to self censor.

But if you don't like it, you don't have to look. Look the other way, look at your food, look at the ceiling. She was facing the corner, so you couldn't see all the details anyway, so why does it bother you?

I don't have to stare at her the entire time one glance is enough for me to want to ask her to cover herself with a blanket.

That's the problem with this country. Everyone focuses on a woman's breasts as being strictly sexual. Breasts, first and foremost, are to nurse a baby! In other parts of the world, this would be a non-issue.

Can I just break this down before all the arguments start?

Some people don't give a shit if someone breastfeeds and thinks it is every woman's right and some people don't like to look at it and want the mothers to cover up.

That's the way it is and neither side will ever budge.

That's her agenda. She knew she would be questioned on it and had the pamphlet at the ready. She wanting to once again force government into making PRIVATE business owners do their bidding.

I think she probably had the pamphlet on her for times such as this, but, coming prepared with a pamphlet and not a cover is stupidity right there. I'm going to chalk this up to her just biting herself in the ass. To have the foresight to carry a pamphlet and not a cover is ludicrous.

Max, even though she was in a corner doesn't keep people from noticing that the baby is crying for attention nor that she's moving stuff around to make room for the kid on her lap. She may have flashed someone in her effort because she didn't have a cover for herself. When she's older she'll reflect on it all and be embarrassed that she was so cavalier about it. Providing nutrition for your child shouldn't be an embarrassment but not being modest while doing it is immature.

I was a breast feeding mother. I have a six year old who breast feed for a year and a set of twins who I did my best to nurse as much as possible. I was discrete. I choose the back corner or some less populated location, and I never tandem feed outside my house (impossible to do discretely) If I could I would cover with a blanket, but that isn't as easy as it sounds. Half the time they pull it off. You are best to get in a discrete position and make that work. When the baby is eating, you can't see anything anyway. They are covering up your boob. It is only the 10 secs of latching on or pulling off, that you might get a glimpse. Look elsewhere, there are more exciting things going on in the restaurant.
Going to the bathroom is simply not an option. Where am I supposed to sit....on the toliet. How gross is that! Yes, some bathrooms for women have couches and such and when they were available I did use them. For the most part this was not available, certainly never in a restaurant. And in reality what am I supposed to do with the other two kids. What is my four year old (at the time) supposed to do in a bathroom for 30-40 minutes (breastfeeding twins is time consuming) When am I supposed to eat. If you think it through, it doesn't make sense to shun breast feeding mothers to the bathroom.

This is an excellent video that will help clarify this for many: Click here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

This is an excellent video that will help clarify this for many: Click here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

That was indeed thought provoking and informative! However, I think I got flashed. I need to watch it a few more times to be sure.

:dontknow: Could be many reasons, religious, old fashion, culture, modesty, found it offensive, disgusted, disturb their eating, don't want their little children to see, taboo, etc. Some people have don't like to self censor.

Couldn't the same logic apply the other around as well (towards the breast feeding woman?) Why does it have to go one way only?



I don't have to stare at her the entire time one glance is enough for me to want to ask her to cover herself with a blanket.

Would you come up to women wearing short skirts and her them to cover up?

Or people wearing offensive shirts (that have curse words or other things on them) and ask them to cover up?

And if you do, then who decides what's right and what's wrong? It's a free country isn't it? Shouldn't then she be allowed to breast feed in public -- it's not like she's walking around showing her nipple to everyone.

That was indeed thought provoking and informative! However, I think I got flashed. I need to watch it a few more times to be sure.

I see you are not viewing this informative video in the proper frame of mind. Next time, squint your eyes and view it through 3-D glasses. You will get so much more out of it! :thumbup:

regardless of a complaint.....who the hell wants to see that. seriously. boobies are called private parts for a reason...I have a little boy, yes my wife went through the stages of breast feeding, but guess what folks, when we went into public, she would take some breast milk in a bottle and feed that so she didnt have to feed from the teet.

oh , and that fact that she had the legal document about the laws in hand...tells me the lady was looking for an excuse to sue.

I think I am going to go to walmart, look for a puddle of water and accidentally slip and fall then sue that pants of the them...

...what a joke.

My penis's main purpose is to pro-create. Want me to swing it around in public?

My penis's main purpose is to pro-create. Want me to swing it around in public?

If we told you to put a cover on it, you'd just buy a condom. Now it's just covered while you swing it. What's your point? :annoyed:

This is an excellent video that will help clarify this for many: Click here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

Damn you. I actually hit that friggin' line AGAIN
Now that horribly repetitive song will be in my mind all day - !!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I see you are not viewing this informative video in the proper frame of mind. Next time, squint your eyes and view it through 3-D glasses. You will get so much more out of it! :thumbup:

I'm squinting! I'm squinting!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is incredible!!!

If we told you to put a cover on it, you'd just buy a condom. Now it's just covered while you swing it. What's your point? :annoyed:

So you would be okay with a male swinging a penis with a condom on it around in Applebee's?

My penis's main purpose is to pro-create. Want me to swing it around in public?



I thought it was also used to pee with? :lol:

Damn you. I actually hit that friggin' line AGAIN
Now that horribly repetitive song will be in my mind all day - !!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You didn't read my siggy, did you??

That's her agenda. She knew she would be questioned on it and had the pamphlet at the ready. She wanting to once again force government into making PRIVATE business owners do their bidding.

I did the same thing when I was breastfeeding. I carried Texas's statute outlining the right of a woman to breastfeed in any location where it is legal for her to be otherwise. The reason for that is to head off ignorant people who try to send breastfeeding mothers to the bathroom. How nasty is that?!?! It happened quite a bit to me or the other mothers I hang out with. I carried light blankets in my diaper bag, but half the time the kid would pull them off. They're only really necessary when the kid is latching on. Once that's done you can pretty much cover everything with a shirt.

I didn't go out of my way to nurse in public but when my baby needed to eat I fed him. I wasn't one to sit on a bench in the mall and nurse for all the world to see - too many distractions for the baby. I preferred to find the Motherhood Maternity store and used their dressing room. They were very kind.

On the rare instances that I nursed in public at a restaurant, I did just what this mother did - select a booth and try to be an unobtrusive as possible.

Applebee's is out of line in this instance. Unless she had her whole boob hanging out (which I seriously doubt) then whoever was bothered should have been moved.

I find it very interesting that the Victoria's Secret fashion show is fine, but a mother providing nourishment to her child is gross. You're seeing far less skin on the nursing mom.

Couldn't the same logic apply the other around as well (towards the breast feeding woman?) Why does it have to go one way only?
She is one doing the offending. Usually offending one is asked. Same deal with our mod alert system or else there is no need for mod alert system


Would you come up to women wearing short skirts and her them to cover up?

Or people wearing offensive shirts (that have curse words or other things on them) and ask them to cover up?

And if you do, then who decides what's right and what's wrong? It's a free country isn't it? Shouldn't then she be allowed to breast feed in public -- it's not like she's walking around showing her nipple to everyone.
Psst this case was in a restaurant. So the cases you gave and happens in a restaurant ...probably yes or asked to be moved. Same case with smoking in restaurant. You usually ask the waiter/waitress.

That pretty close to what she did...showing to everyone aka public

I find it very interesting that the Victoria's Secret fashion show is fine, but a mother providing nourishment to her child is gross. You're seeing far less skin on the nursing mom.

Excellent point. :nod:

My penis's main purpose is to pro-create. Want me to swing it around in public?

What penis? Nobody can see it at that size :P

I did the same thing when I was breastfeeding. I carried Texas's statute outlining the right of a woman to breastfeed in any location where it is legal for her to be otherwise. The reason for that is to head off ignorant people who try to send breastfeeding mothers to the bathroom. How nasty is that?!?! It happened quite a bit to me or the other mothers I hang out with. I carried light blankets in my diaper bag, but half the time the kid would pull them off. They're only really necessary when the kid is latching on. Once that's done you can pretty much cover everything with a shirt.

I didn't go out of my way to nurse in public but when my baby needed to eat I fed him. I wasn't one to sit on a bench in the mall and nurse for all the world to see - too many distractions for the baby. I preferred to find the Motherhood Maternity store and used their dressing room. They were very kind.

On the rare instances that I nursed in public at a restaurant, I did just what this mother did - select a booth and try to be an unobtrusive as possible.

Applebee's is out of line in this instance. Unless she had her whole boob hanging out (which I seriously doubt) then whoever was bothered should have been moved.

I find it very interesting that the Victoria's Secret fashion show is fine, but a mother providing nourishment to her child is gross. You're seeing far less skin on the nursing mom.

I choose to see a VS fashion show (or just the magazines, don't judge me). If I am sitting in a restaurant, I don't want to see a breastfeeding mother. Would it be okay if my wife goes down on me? You'd only see anything when she started and when she finished. The rest of the time my cock would be covered.

So you would be okay with a male swinging a penis with a condom on it around in Applebee's?


TS, she's not flashing her lower region, just the top, which, btw, should be covered. As sick as this is going I'm going to say it anyway. Nobody is nursing off of you to keep themselves alive so there is no reason to even bring that part of you out into the public eye. However, if you do decide to grow milk ducts and nurse your future children, please be discreet and drape a cloth over your shoulder and the baby's head. Please. :annoyed:

Excellent point. :nod:

It's all about the nipple. I am not sure why breasts - nipples = OK but as soon breasts + nipples = forbidden. Odd things is guys got nipples also :scratchh: I am not exactly sure how that equation works

TS, she's not flashing her lower region, just the top, which, btw, should be covered. As sick as this is going I'm going to say it anyway. Nobody is nursing off of you to keep themselves alive so there is no reason to even bring that part of you out into the public eye. However, if you do decide to grow milk ducts and nurse your future children, please be discreet and drape a cloth over your shoulder and the baby's head. Please. :annoyed:

Or tell her if she is going to flash she has to share with everyone in the restaurant :lol:

It is absurd to try and compare nudity and sex (aka, TS's "swinging penis") with feeding a baby. C'mon, people.

TS, she's not flashing her lower region, just the top, which, btw, should be covered. As sick as this is going I'm going to say it anyway. Nobody is nursing off of you to keep themselves alive so there is no reason to even bring that part of you out into the public eye. However, if you do decide to grow milk ducts and nurse your future children, please be discreet and drape a cloth over your shoulder and the baby's head. Please. :annoyed:

I was making the comparision among private parts.
Breastfeeding is not required to keep a baby alive (breastfeeding vs bottle is another topic).
If I were to breastfeed, I would cover up. You ask me to but not this mother. :scratch:

I choose to see a VS fashion show (or just the magazines, don't judge me). If I am sitting in a restaurant, I don't want to see a breastfeeding mother. Would it be okay if my wife goes down on me? You'd only see anything when she started and when she finished. The rest of the time my cock would be covered.

Trust me on this... your wife doesn't need to go down on you to survive. :rolleyes:

Babies need to eat, and not everyone can pump effectively. I was a terrible pumper, so bringing a bottle wasn't an option for me. I refuse to be a hermit for the first 9 months to a year of my child's life because someone else can't be a grown up and look away while I nourish my child.

It's all about the nipple. I am not sure why breasts - nipples = OK but as soon breasts + nipples = forbidden. Odd things is guys got nipples also :scratchh: I am not exactly sure how that equation works



Or tell her if she is going to flash she has to share with everyone in the restaurant :lol:

Yep, the nipple is what freaks people out. Remember "Nipple Gate", Janet Jackson?

I saw a bunch of guys at the beach last week, walking around shirtless, with bigger jugs than most of the women. I wish someone had asked THEM to cover up! :lol:

Psst this case was in a restaurant. So the cases you gave and happens in a restaurant ...probably yes or asked to be moved. Same case with smoking in restaurant. You usually ask the waiter/waitress.

:nono1: If I am wearing a tshirt that says something offensive on it, I will not move an inch out of my seat, even if asked by management.

It's not the same thing as smoking -- if I'm smoking in a corner, it'll spread throughout the whole restaurant, so your argument is incorrect. Smoking also causes damage to other people, while in the breast feeding case, just turn your head the other way and it's over.

That pretty close to what she did...showing to everyone aka public

:nono1: She was sitting in a booth, facing away from people so no one would notice.

It is absurd to try and compare nudity and sex (aka, TS's "swinging penis") with feeding a baby. C'mon, people.

I wasn't having sex with my penis, I just want to swing it in public. Nothing sexual about it.

This is an excellent video that will help clarify this for many: Click here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

:nono1: i think ive built up an subconcious action to check all links that you post

Trust me on this... your wife doesn't need to go down on you to survive. :rolleyes:

Babies need to eat, and not everyone can pump effectively. I was a terrible pumper, so bringing a bottle wasn't an option for me. I refuse to be a hermit for the first 9 months to a year of my child's life because someone else can't be a grown up and look away while I nourish my child.

Getting slightly OT, but there is always formula. All I was saying is that the act of breastfeeding is not essential to survival for the baby.

I wasn't having sex with my penis, I just want to swing it in public. Nothing sexual about it.

In most of your comments, you made references to having your penis out to either masturbate or to recieve oral sex. That's what I was referring to.

OP can you add a poll to this thread so see how many people think it's OK and how many think it's not

Getting slightly OT, but there is always formula. All I was saying is that the act of breastfeeding is not essential to survival for the baby.

Some kids can't tolerate formula. Mine hated it and would spit it out if I tried to give it to them. Nice try, though. :nod:

Damn you. I actually hit that friggin' line AGAIN
Now that horribly repetitive song will be in my mind all day - !!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:lmao: :lmao: But what a great song to be running through your head..huh? :grin:

You didn't read my siggy, did you??

People just think you're crazy. :crazy:

What penis? Nobody can see it at that size :P


BURN! :highfive:

Why would someone complain though? You don't like it don't look at it, it's that simple.

I have to agree with the restaurant on this one. Since a restaurant has many patrons, it has to accommodate the wishes of all parties. Perhaps the patron that complained didn't want to have his young boy be present while a woman was bare-chested. I think that's perfectly normal. What if it was against the person's religion?

The bottom line is that the woman should have been more understanding instead of being so selfish. She could have EASILY covered herself with a jacket, sweater, towel, blanket, etc. while still breastfeeding. I'm a new father myself and you can't tell me that she didn't have a receiving blanket, towel, or something in her baby tote bag that she could have used. CERTAINLY, the restaurant did NOT prohibit her from breastfeeding. It ONLY asked her to show some decency for other patrons in the restaurant who may not like the idea of dining at a nudie bar.

As far as quoting state laws that prohibit interfering with a woman breastfeeding, let's see how fast the state authorities react if she was at a function with the President nearby and she just whipped out her breast to feed her baby. I'm CERTAIN they would ask her to show some restraint and etiquette and cover up or go into a private room.

Some kids can't tolerate formula. Mine hated it and would spit it out if I tried to give it to them. Nice try, though. :nod:

You tried only 1 type/brand of formula?

:nono1: If I am wearing a tshirt that says something offensive on it, I will not move an inch out of my seat, even if asked by management.

It's not the same thing as smoking -- if I'm smoking in a corner, it'll spread throughout the whole restaurant, so your argument is incorrect. Smoking also causes damage to other people, while in the breast feeding case, just turn your head the other way and it's over.



:nono1: She was sitting in a booth, facing away from people so no one would notice.
Management has the option to ask you to leave or refuse to serve you. Or worst call the cops on you.

My first part was referring your logic of confronting the offender. In all the cases I gave you usually people don't confront the offender including the cigarette.

But someone did or else there wouldn't be a case

Getting slightly OT, but there is always formula. All I was saying is that the act of breastfeeding is not essential to survival for the baby.


Not all babies can handle formula, and they shouldn't have to in order to keep some guys fantasy's from running amok.

You tried only 1 type/brand of formula?

Why pay for something I can make for free? I'm a SlickDealer, remember?? :lol: Formula is expensive.

Not all babies can handle formula, and they shouldn't have to in order to keep some guys fantasy's from running amok.

:iagree:

I have to agree with the restaurant on this one. Since a restaurant has many patrons, it has to accommodate the wishes of all parties. Perhaps the patron that complained didn't want to have his young boy be present while a woman was bare-chested. I think that's perfectly normal. What if it was against the person's religion?

The bottom line is that the woman should have been more understanding instead of being so selfish. She could have EASILY covered herself with a jacket, sweater, towel, blanket, etc. while still breastfeeding. I'm a new father myself and you can't tell me that she didn't have a receiving blanket, towel, or something in her baby tote bag that she could have used. CERTAINLY, the restaurant did NOT prohibit her from breastfeeding. It ONLY asked her to show some decency for other patrons in the restaurant who may not like the idea of dining at a nudie bar.

:iagree:

Again, it's not the breastfeeding, it's the covering up. Noone asked her not to breastfeed.

These mothers shouldnt tit feed in public

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especially when people are farkin eating

Not all babies can handle formula, and they shouldn't have to in order to keep some guys fantasy's from running amok.

This has nothing to do with fantasies. I don't want my 6 year old asking me "Daddy, why is that baby sucking on that lady?"

I have to agree with the restaurant on this one. Since a restaurant has many patrons, it has to accommodate the wishes of all parties. Perhaps the patron that complained didn't want to have his young boy be present while a woman was bare-chested. I think that's perfectly normal. What if it was against the person's religion?

The bottom line is that the woman should have been more understanding instead of being so selfish. She could have EASILY covered herself with a jacket, sweater, towel, blanket, etc. while still breastfeeding. I'm a new father myself and you can't tell me that she didn't have a receiving blanket, towel, or something in her baby tote bag that she could have used. CERTAINLY, the restaurant did NOT prohibit her from breastfeeding. It ONLY asked her to show some decency for other patrons in the restaurant who may not like the idea of dining at a nudie bar.

As far as quoting state laws that prohibit interfering with a woman breastfeeding, let's see how fast the state authorities react if she was at a function with the President nearby and she just whipped out her breast to feed her baby. I'm CERTAIN they would ask her to show some restraint and etiquette and cover up or go into a private room.
:iagree:

She expect others to understand her need but when in return people ask her to cover up she refused.

This has nothing to do with fantasies. I don't want my 6 year old asking me "Daddy, why is that baby sucking on that lady?"

"Because that's how babies eat."

Why is that hard? :dontknow:

In before the Podium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)! :woot2:

I find it very interesting that the Victoria's Secret fashion show is fine, but a mother providing nourishment to her child is gross. You're seeing far less skin on the nursing mom.

I don't take my kids to a Victoria's Secret fashion show.

Women who breast feed in public = trailer trash. It's very simple. You know when your baby is going to need to eat, so schedule your life around that.

This has nothing to do with fantasies. I don't want my 6 year old asking me "Daddy, why is that baby sucking on that lady?"


Why not? Seriously? I nursed my son. My niece, who was 4 at the time, saw me do it. She asked what I was doing, and I simply said, "I am feeding my baby. I use my breasts to nurse him." And she was like "Oh, OK." It was not a big deal. If I had flipped out, or shooed her away, or screamed "Don't look!" I'm sure it would have had a much bigger and far worse impact.

"Because that's how babies eat."

Why is that hard? :dontknow:

Because my son will then ask one of 2 things...

1 "Can I eat from mommy?"
2 "Why were you eating from mommy last night?" Becomes awkward.

I don't take my kids to a Victoria's Secret fashion show.

Women who breast feed in public = trailer trash. It's very simple. You know when your baby is going to need to eat, so schedule your life around that.

:nono: :nono1: :nono2:

Because my son will then ask one of 2 things...

1 "Can I eat from mommy?"
2 "Why were you eating from mommy last night?" Becomes awkward.

Why would he have seen you eat from mommy last night? :popcorn:

I have to agree with the restaurant on this one. Since a restaurant has many patrons, it has to accommodate the wishes of all parties. Perhaps the patron that complained didn't want to have his young boy be present while a woman was bare-chested. I think that's perfectly normal. What if it was against the person's religion?

The bottom line is that the woman should have been more understanding instead of being so selfish. She could have EASILY covered herself with a jacket, sweater, towel, blanket, etc. while still breastfeeding. I'm a new father myself and you can't tell me that she didn't have a receiving blanket, towel, or something in her baby tote bag that she could have used. CERTAINLY, the restaurant did NOT prohibit her from breastfeeding. It ONLY asked her to show some decency for other patrons in the restaurant who may not like the idea of dining at a nudie bar.

As far as quoting state laws that prohibit interfering with a woman breastfeeding, let's see how fast the state authorities react if she was at a function with the President nearby and she just whipped out her breast to feed her baby. I'm CERTAIN they would ask her to show some restraint and etiquette and cover up or go into a private room.

I think the problem is we don't have a clear picture of what actually happened.

if she was sitting there with her breast hanging wide open and the baby sucking on it, that would be one thing to ask her to cover up, but as someone else said if she was sitting there discretely (mostly covered) AND facing the inside of the booth (away from most people), then it's a little bit out of line.

In before the Podium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)! :woot2:
Ohhhhhh I think I'm gonna like the podium :woot2:

This has nothing to do with fantasies. I don't want my 6 year old asking me "Daddy, why is that baby sucking on that lady?"

If you're afraid of that question, take it from me, you are in for one hell of an eye opening when he asks in the next year or so WHERE babies come from, let alone how they eat.

Why would he have seen you eat from mommy last night? :popcorn:

Why would he see the baby at Applebee's eat?

Why would he have seen you eat from mommy last night? :popcorn:

:lol:

Because my son will then ask one of 2 things...

1 "Can I eat from mommy?"
2 "Why were you eating from mommy last night?" Becomes awkward.

:rofl2:

I don't take my kids to a Victoria's Secret fashion show.

Women who breast feed in public = trailer trash. It's very simple. You know when your baby is going to need to eat, so schedule your life around that.

:eek: I've tried to stay out of this, but are you farking crazy??

Do you have kids? You must not, or you would know what you have said is not realistic.

Babies are hungry when they are hungry and if the mommy happens to be out when it happens, then it's time to eat. Period.

I agree that you should be able to breastfeed in public, and people are so uptight about it. Breasts, thats why we have them to feed our babies.

However, she should have had a light blanket on her, and I know this sounds dumb but couldn't she have opened up a napkin and covered herself with that if the waitress was giving her a hard time about being covered.

I bought one of those nursing covers because I plan on feeding my newborn wherever I am. It goes around your neck like an apron, and covers your stomach if you have to lift up your shirt and covers your breasts, yet it has this special opening at the top so you can still make eye contact with your baby.

:nono: :nono1: :nono2:

:nod:

Why would he see the baby at Applebee's eat?

Because he was sitting right there watching.

Did the same thing happen last night? :ohmy:

I didn't say anything :dontknow:

cav is on vacation again

I saw that. What happened?

cav is on vacation again

Seriously? Did he breastfeed in an Applebees? :omg:

I think the problem is we don't have a clear picture of what actually happened.

if she was sitting there with her breast hanging wide open and the baby sucking on it, that would be one thing to ask her to cover up, but as someone else said if she was sitting there discretely (mostly covered) AND facing the inside of the booth (away from most people), then it's a little bit out of line.

I really don't think it matters what was in plain view. I've seen my wife breastfeed (and many others). And yes, if you're straight in front, you don't see anything. However, if another person is sitting to the right or left of the breastfeeding woman, they can certainly see her breasts. They may not see nipple since it'll be in the baby's mouth. But, they can certainly see the entire breast area.

Similarly, would it be okay then for female patrons to walk into a restaurant without any shirts but pasties on to cover up their nipples? That is basically the view that other patrons can see.

I think it's ridiculous that this has become an issue of a woman's right. It's NOT at all. It's an issue of common decency and courtesy towards other ppl. No one forbade her from breastfeeding. They merely asked her to cover up. She, however, chose not to because she believed it was too hot. PLEASE......have you ever been to an Applebee's (or similar establishment) and seen that the AC was not on? It's a restaurant! If anything, they will have the AC blasting so it's actually cold!

I saw that. What happened?

:lol: where did you get that quote from :angel_not

:eek: I've tried to stay out of this, but are you farking crazy??

Do you have kids? You must not, or you would know what you have said is not realistic.

Babies are hungry when they are hungry and if the mommy happens to be out when it happens, then it's time to eat. Period.

Yes, I have kids. Not once did their mom every breast feed in public. What ever happened to basic public decency in this country? It's really not that hard to find some place private.

I really don't think it matters what was in plain view. I've seen my wife breastfeed (and many others). And yes, if you're straight in front, you don't see anything. However, if another person is sitting to the right or left of the breastfeeding woman, they can certainly see her breasts. They may not see nipple since it'll be in the baby's mouth. But, they can certainly see the entire breast area.

Similarly, would it be okay then for female patrons to walk into a restaurant without any shirts but pasties on to cover up their nipples? That is basically the view that other patrons can see.

I think it's ridiculous that this has become an issue of a woman's right. It's NOT at all. It's an issue of common decency and courtesy towards other ppl. No one forbade her from breastfeeding. They merely asked her to cover up. She, however, chose not to because she believed it was too hot. PLEASE......have you ever been to an Applebee's (or similar establishment) and seen that the AC was not on? It's a restaurant! If anything, they will have the AC blasting so it's actually cold!

I know a lot of women who wear low cut shirts, where you could see MOST of their breasts, should that be illegal too? (I understand it's not the same thing, but it's pretty damn close).

By the way, where's the husband in all this? With me, I would DEFINITELY NOT want my wife breastfeeding in public and baring her breasts for the world to see! I don't care if the motive is something so "sweet" and " beautiful" as breastfeeding. She's still my wife and I don't want other men seeing her naked breasts!

The birth of a baby is beautiful too. BUT, I wouldn't want to broadcast my wife giving birth to other ppl!

I know a lot of women who wear low cut shirts, where you could see MOST of their breasts, should that be illegal too? (I understand it's not the same thing, but it's pretty damn close).

Not illegal, but a restaurant should have the right to refuse service or at least ask them to cover up.

I know a lot of women who wear low cut shirts, where you could see MOST of their breasts, should that be illegal too? (I understand it's not the same thing, but it's pretty damn close).

But, they are still wearing some kind of skimpy top. A better analogy to the nudity displayed when breastfeeding would be bare-chested but having only pasties on. And certainly, you can't walk around in public like that!

That would be awesome though if you could!:)

Not illegal, but a restaurant should have the right to refuse service or at least ask them to cover up.

:iagree:

By the way, where's the husband in all this? With me, I would DEFINITELY NOT want my wife breastfeeding in public and baring her breasts for the world to see! I don't care if the motive is something so "sweet" and " beautiful" as breastfeeding. She's still my wife and I don't want other men seeing her naked breasts!

The birth of a baby is beautiful too. BUT, I wouldn't want to broadcast my wife giving birth to other ppl!

I have to :iagree: here with you.

Yes, I have kids. Not once did their mom every breast feed in public. What ever happened to basic public decency in this country? It's really not that hard to find some place private.

It blow my mind the things that people will accept, yet will decry breastfeeding in public, one of the most natural and beautiful actions in the world

That would be awesome though if you could!:)

That's like, oh I don't know, hypocritical of ya? You don't want anyone looking at your wife but you've no problem with looking at other women? :slap: <-- that's on her behalf. :harhar:

It blow my mind the things that people will accept, yet will decry breastfeeding in public, one of the most natural and beautiful actions in the world

Agreed, it's a beautiful thing, but so it the naked female body. Should that be on display in public (What the hell am I saying????)

That's like, oh I don't know, hypocritical of ya? You don't want anyone looking at your wife but you've no problem with looking at other women? :slap: <-- that's on her behalf. :harhar:

That's not hypocritical at all, that's a normal male brain. :nod:

It blow my mind the things that people will accept, yet will decry breastfeeding in public, one of the most natural and beautiful actions in the world

Then consider your mind blown. :harhar:

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I find it very interesting that the Victoria's Secret fashion show is fine, but a mother providing nourishment to her child is gross. You're seeing far less skin on the nursing mom.

I don't have kids, but I've always been curious about this mindset. We have boobies because we're female and designed for having a baby and nursing it.

"Girls Gone Wild" or flashing for beads, etc. is more acceptable in this culture than what the girls are intended to be used for.

Kinda sad really.

I don't have kids, but I've always been curious about this mindset. We have boobies because we're female and designed for having a baby and nursing it.

"Girls Gone Wild" or flashing for beads, etc. is more acceptable in this culture than what the girls are intended to be used for.

Kinda sad really.

:nod:

I don't have kids, but I've always been curious about this mindset. We have boobies because we're female and designed for having a baby and nursing it.

"Girls Gone Wild" or flashing for beads, etc. is more acceptable in this culture than what the girls are intended to be used for.

Kinda sad really.

I have actually been considering producing my own line of videos called "Breast Feeding Mama's Gone Wild". ;)

Breast feeding is natural, and the child has to eat too. There is nothing wrong at all with a woman breastfeeding in public even without a blanket. Granted, I wouldn't do it(modest me, right?) but more power to those that would bare their breasts and feed their kids rather then having them sit there and scream their heads off. Saves us another thread on SD bitching about rotten kids in public.

If I was her, I would have continued to sit there and feed my baby until the police came to take me away. I would not raise my voice, I would not move either though.

I might call the news though... see how they like to film women breastfeeding in public and how much the manager would like to be on TV for asking me to leave.

Babies need to eat, and not everyone can pump effectively. I was a terrible pumper, so bringing a bottle wasn't an option for me. I refuse to be a hermit for the first 9 months to a year of my child's life because someone else can't be a grown up and look away while I nourish my child.

Not all babies can handle formula, and they shouldn't have to in order to keep some guys fantasy's from running amok.

:iagree:

This has nothing to do with fantasies. I don't want my 6 year old asking me "Daddy, why is that baby sucking on that lady?"

As someone else pointed out, by the age of 6, you have a lot to look forward to in the question department. This should be one of the easier ones to deal with. Babies eat. Some eat from a bottle, others nurse and get their milk from their mommy. Not really a big deal.

I don't take my kids to a Victoria's Secret fashion show.

Women who breast feed in public = trailer trash. It's very simple. You know when your baby is going to need to eat, so schedule your life around that.

Trailer trash, huh?

I could go on about how you must be fairly uneducated and unable to handle something as simple as a breastfeeding mother, but why throw around insults? Especially those that are generalized and have no basis whatsoever?

And no, you don't always know when your baby is going to eat. Babies get hungry at different times, just like we as adults do. Sure, some have somewhat of a schedule, but who's to say that a hunger pain won't hit the baby at any random time? And rather than you saying I should schedule my life around when my baby eats, it's more like you are asking me to schedule my life around what will be most comfortable for you.

I get that not everyone is comfortable with a mother nursing her child. Everyone is different and I can't fault anyone for their level of comfort, *but* for them to insinuate that I am trashy or gross for simply feeding my child, that's where the line is drawn.

I nurse in public when needed. As someone else said, I don't go out of my way, but you can bet that if my child is hungry, I will feed her. She comes first. Now, I do my best to be discreet. I don't really have a problem with trying to cover-up (in fact, I prefer to do so as much as possible)... But I refuse to go sit in a bathroom and feed my baby, or make her wait to eat simply because some strangers may have a brief, fleeting moment of embarassment in some form. In fact, it's rather ironic that people expect a baby to eat in a bathroom (and also for the mother to sit on an uncomfortable toilet seat at that, while possibly trying to tend to older children), while everyone else at that restaurant is there to enjoy a meal. Why can't a baby, and therefore, the mother? It's a restaurant. Eat and go on with life.


By the way, where's the husband in all this? With me, I would DEFINITELY NOT want my wife breastfeeding in public and baring her breasts for the world to see! I don't care if the motive is something so "sweet" and " beautiful" as breastfeeding. She's still my wife and I don't want other men seeing her naked breasts!

The birth of a baby is beautiful too. BUT, I wouldn't want to broadcast my wife giving birth to other ppl!

Some men can handle these things. They realize it is what it is... Their child having a meal. They can separate the two in their minds, luckily. My husband is fortunately one of them.

As Kimber said, I know that no one will change their mind about this, but I did feel the need to voice my thoughts on it. I just get tired of having to defend feeding my child.

Let's end this this way....

For the ladies that think it is okay to breast feed in public, please attach pictures of yourself in the act. Since it is beautiful and nothing wrong with it, all of you should be quick to comply.

Not illegal, but a restaurant should have the right to refuse service or at least ask them to cover up.

That would be illegal.

in Kentucky (where this incident takes place) the law is clearly on the mother's side:

On March 28, 2006, the Governor of Kentucky signed into law legislation that clarifies that breastfeeding in public is not indecent exposure; that municipalities may not restrict a mother's right to breastfeed a child, and states that no person shall interfere with a mother breastfeeding her child in any place the mother has the right to be.

(1) Not withstanding any other provision of the law, a mother may breastfeed her baby or express breastmilk in any location, public or private, where the mother is otherwise authorized to be. Breastfeeding a child or expressing breastmilk as part of breastfeeding shall not be considered an act of public indecency and shall not be considered indecent exposure, sexual conduct, lewd touching, or obscenity.
(2) A municipality may not enact an ordinance that prohibits or restricts a mother breastfeeding a child or expressing breastmilk in a public or private location where the mother and child are otherwise authorized to be. In a municipal ordinance, indecent exposure, sexual conduct, lewd touching, obscenity, and similar terms do not include the act of a mother breastfeeding a child in a public or private location where the mother and child are otherwise authorized to be.
(3) No person shall interfere with a mother breastfeeding her child in any location, public or private, where the mother is otherwise authorized to be.

http://www.llli.org/Law/LawBills.html

Thanks Aggie. It clearly states in what you posted that She does NOT have to cover up at all! That it is not considered indecent exposure at all.

Also a Kentucky law

KRS 436.600

No person shall sell, exchange, offer to sell or exchange, display, or possess living baby chicks, ducklings, or other fowl or rabbits which have been dyed or colored; nor dye or color any baby chicks, ducklings, or other fowl or rabbits; nor sell, exchange, offer to sell or exchange or to give away baby chicks, ducklings or other fowl or rabbits, under two (2) months of age in any quantity less than six (6), except that any rabbit weighing three (3) pounds or more may be sold at an age of six (6) weeks. Any person who violates this section shall be fined not less than $100 nor more than $500.

History: Amended 1972 Ky. Acts ch 374, sec 1. --Created 1966 Ky. Acts ch. 215, sec. 5

Also a Kentucky law

:huh:

Texas Law. Check out the date


20.003. Weather Modification and Control Grant Program

The department shall develop and administer a program awarding matching grants to political subdivisions of this state for weather modification and control.

Added by Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 376, ? 2.01, eff. Sept. 1, 2001.

Thanks Aggie. It clearly states in what you posted that She does NOT have to cover up at all! That it is not considered indecent exposure at all.

Actually it doesn't say that.

:huh:

Well, we are saying what is lawful, so I wanted to show some of the other laws in the state. Shouldn't all laws be enforced?

IOW - stupid law

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:)

Well, in all fairness, it IS Kentucky.

On March 28, 2006, the Governor of Kentucky signed into law legislation that clarifies that breastfeeding in public is not indecent exposure; that municipalities may not restrict a mother's right to breastfeed a child, and states that no person shall interfere with a mother breastfeeding her child in any place the mother has the right to be.

(1) Not withstanding any other provision of the law, a mother may breastfeed her baby or express breastmilk in any location, public or private, where the mother is otherwise authorized to be. Breastfeeding a child or expressing breastmilk as part of breastfeeding shall not be considered an act of public indecency and shall not be considered indecent exposure, sexual conduct, lewd touching, or obscenity.
(2) A municipality may not enact an ordinance that prohibits or restricts a mother breastfeeding a child or expressing breastmilk in a public or private location where the mother and child are otherwise authorized to be. In a municipal ordinance, indecent exposure, sexual conduct, lewd touching, obscenity, and similar terms do not include the act of a mother breastfeeding a child in a public or private location where the mother and child are otherwise authorized to be.
(3) No person shall interfere with a mother breastfeeding her child in any location, public or private, where the mother is otherwise authorized to be.

Better?

Actually it doesn't say that.

Actually it does...it says that it will not be considered indecent exposure if she bears her breast to feed. nowhere does it say she has to cover up

So maybe we should make it a crime for mothers with breastfeeding babies to leave their house except for doctor's appts.

Better?

No. If the mother is butt naked and breast feeding, does that still apply?

EDIT: ok ok, now it's better (I only read the highlighted parts)

No. If the mother is butt naked and breast feeding, does that still apply?

lol no because she doesn't need to bare her butt to breastfeed.

Waiting for pictures

I am personally offended by seeing someone feed their baby formula. Breastfeeding has been shown clearly and consistently to be infinitely better for the child, and barring uncommon complications, it seems to be an act of selfishness not to give your baby the very best start in life. I am offended-but if I complain, do you think the manager would ask a bottlefeeder to cover their baby up so I don't have to see?
It all boils down to seeing breasts as primarily sexual objects; when they are meant to be primarily for feeding. Yes, some people see them as only sexual-but if some people have a foot fetish, all people should not be required to cover their feet to prevent them from being aroused. It is their respoonsibility to control themselves-whether there are bare feet around or not. Same thing with breasts. I really don't see why a female breast has to be covered when a make breast does not. Very little aesthetic difference.

Actually it does...it says that it will not be considered indecent exposure if she bears her breast to feed. nowhere does it say she has to cover up

:nono2: you're trying to read between the lines. it does not say ANYTHING about covering up.

If I were a woman and would plop out my double D sized breast and feed the kid with my breast hanging out, but the nipple would be closed, that would be considered decent? :nono2: It would be considered decent though if I tried to cover up at least somewhat

I am personally offended by seeing someone feed their baby formula. Breastfeeding has been shown clearly and consistently to be infinitely better for the child, and barring uncommon complications, it seems to be an act of selfishness not to give your baby the very best start in life. I am offended-but if I complain, do you think the manager would ask a bottlefeeder to cover their baby up so I don't have to see?
It all boils down to seeing breasts as primarily sexual objects; when they are meant to be primarily for feeding. Yes, some people see them as only sexual-but if some people have a foot fetish, all people should not be required to cover their feet to prevent them from being aroused. It is their respoonsibility to control themselves-whether there are bare feet around or not. Same thing with breasts. I really don't see why a female breast has to be covered when a make breast does not. Very little aesthetic difference.

Are you female? Please submit a pic of you breastfeeding then.

I am personally offended by seeing someone feed their baby formula. Breastfeeding has been shown clearly and consistently to be infinitely better for the child, and barring uncommon complications, it seems to be an act of selfishness not to give your baby the very best start in life. I am offended-but if I complain, do you think the manager would ask a bottlefeeder to cover their baby up so I don't have to see?
It all boils down to seeing breasts as primarily sexual objects; when they are meant to be primarily for feeding. Yes, some people see them as only sexual-but if some people have a foot fetish, all people should not be required to cover their feet to prevent them from being aroused. It is their respoonsibility to control themselves-whether there are bare feet around or not. Same thing with breasts. I really don't see why a female breast has to be covered when a make breast does not. Very little aesthetic difference.

I could not breast feed. I tried and tried but due to ...physical reasons, I could not breast feed. So please do not look down on all women that bottle feed.

:nono2: you're trying to read between the lines. it does not say ANYTHING about covering up.

If I were a woman and would plop out my double D sized breast and feed the kid with my breast hanging out, but the nipple would be closed, that would be considered decent? :nono2: It would be considered decent though if I tried to cover up at least somewhat

:drool:

:drool:

:lol: I'm not female though, and yes I do know how to argue both sides of the argument.

I do stand on the side that should let her breastfeed in public without having to cover up though.

picture:

http://www.noodad.com/cms/images/stories/noogfx/lucy-lawless-breastfeeding-_small1.jpg

:lol: I'm not female though, and yes I do know how to argue both sides of the argument.

I do stand on the side that should let her breastfeed in public without having to cover up though.

Everyone has their faults.

There. Oooh... it's so obscene. :rolleyes: The pink you see is my son's face. He was 3 days old in this picture.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/TurkeyMom2Max/bf3.jpg

picture:

http://www.noodad.com/cms/images/stories/noogfx/lucy-lawless-breastfeeding-_small1.jpg


That is YOU??

There. Oooh... it's so obscene. :rolleyes: The pink you see is my son's face. He was 3 days old in this picture.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/TurkeyMom2Max/bf3.jpg

From the side please since if we were in a restaurant it would be a side view.

Nice pic BTW.

Same day, same kid.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/TurkeyMom2Max/100_0276.jpg

I could not breast feed. I tried and tried but due to ...physical reasons, I could not breast feed. So please do not look down on all women that bottle feed.

I don't-merely trying to prove the point that women who choose to bottlefeed do not face the same restrictions. I think people should be allowed to feed their babies-right now those who breastfeed are discriminated against and those who bottlefeed are not.

That's like, oh I don't know, hypocritical of ya? You don't want anyone looking at your wife but you've no problem with looking at other women? :slap: <-- that's on her behalf. :harhar:

lol....i was joking!

This is working. Hmmm


Now show one with the shirt off.

Hey, can't hurt to ask :evillaf:

Some men can handle these things. They realize it is what it is... Their child having a meal. They can separate the two in their minds, luckily. My husband is fortunately one of them.

As Kimber said, I know that no one will change their mind about this, but I did feel the need to voice my thoughts on it. I just get tired of having to defend feeding my child.

I think you're missing my point. I have no problems with my wife breastfeeding. HOWEVER, I'll be blunt with you. Other men who see another woman breastfeeding will see just one thing......WOW, free boobie show! That's men for you! It does NOT matter if the act is a "beautiful" and "natural" thing. It's still nudity and it's still breasts.

As some have stated too, the whole female form is beautiful and natural to me too. Yet, there are laws against public nudity. Just because it's in the act of breastfeeding doesn't make nudity ok. Sex is a beautiful and natural thing too.....the same argument applies!

This is working. Hmmm


Now show one with the shirt off.

Hey, can't hurt to ask :evillaf:

:lmao: Funny. The only reason I posted them at all was to show that even an inexperienced breastfeeder can do it discreetly. That was my first son, he was 3 days old and I was in the depths of PPD - which would be why I look so miserable. That and I'd been cut in two 3 days prior and it kinda hurt.

Let's end this this way....

For the ladies that think it is okay to breast feed in public, please attach pictures of yourself in the act. Since it is beautiful and nothing wrong with it, all of you should be quick to comply.

I TOTALLY concur!:)

Thanks Aggie. It clearly states in what you posted that She does NOT have to cover up at all! That it is not considered indecent exposure at all.

BUT, for the establishment's sake, if other patrons are complaining, it would be polite for that woman to cover up. She may not have to but it's just the courteous thing to do. Likewise, freedom of speech is fundamental in our Constitition. HOWEVER, if a person walked into a restaurant with curse words or other offensive words written on his/her shirt, the establishment has a right to ask him/her to cover up or leave.

YET, because it involves women and babies, it is justified....the hypocrisy!

I am personally offended by seeing someone feed their baby formula. Breastfeeding has been shown clearly and consistently to be infinitely better for the child, and barring uncommon complications, it seems to be an act of selfishness not to give your baby the very best start in life. I am offended-but if I complain, do you think the manager would ask a bottlefeeder to cover their baby up so I don't have to see?
It all boils down to seeing breasts as primarily sexual objects; when they are meant to be primarily for feeding. Yes, some people see them as only sexual-but if some people have a foot fetish, all people should not be required to cover their feet to prevent them from being aroused. It is their respoonsibility to control themselves-whether there are bare feet around or not. Same thing with breasts. I really don't see why a female breast has to be covered when a make breast does not. Very little aesthetic difference.

Please.....you forget that ppl can still pump and feed their babies breast milk. Also, some women are unable to produce breast milk. Do you want to put them out in back and shoot them now?!?!?!? Offended........please! If you're a woman, I would be offended that you have so little understanding in the matter and it's so black and white to you.

picture:

http://www.noodad.com/cms/images/stories/noogfx/lucy-lawless-breastfeeding-_small1.jpg

We want a pic of YOU! SILLY!

Newborns is easy to be discreet, 7 month olds? Not so much.

Let's end this this way....

For the ladies that think it is okay to breast feed in public, please attach pictures of yourself in the act. Since it is beautiful and nothing wrong with it, all of you should be quick to comply.

This isn't show and tell and if you want to see what it looks like, ask your wives to demonstrate. Better yet, now that Aggiemom has posted some pics, show them to your son and explain that some children are fed this way and beat him to the punch. :nod:

Ugly Woman = Complain
Pretty woman = no Complain

Remember
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRoFzT2slcM
Applies to women as well :nod:

I think you're missing my point. I have no problems with my wife breastfeeding. HOWEVER, I'll be blunt with you. Other men who see another woman breastfeeding will see just one thing......WOW, free boobie show! That's men for you! It does NOT matter if the act is a "beautiful" and "natural" thing. It's still nudity and it's still breasts.

As some have stated too, the whole female form is beautiful and natural to me too. Yet, there are laws against public nudity. Just because it's in the act of breastfeeding doesn't make nudity ok. Sex is a beautiful and natural thing too.....the same argument applies!

The things are being put to the use they were intended!!! Just because men go ga ga over ta tas is not an excuse to somehow think that breastfeeding is some deviant behavior! Geez. And to those of you concerned how to explain it to your own children, you are perpetuating the problem. It's OK for women to go get breast implants to be more sexually attractive to men, yet breastfeeding is wrong? Amazing. And just who decided men could go topless, but a woman topless was something indecent? Men perhaps? What a double standard!

My breasts are not indecent! In fact they are quite fabulous! :P :D

I thought this was something about Appleyum breastfeeding.

Ugly Woman vs Pretty woman

Remember
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRoFzT2slcM (http://slickdeals.net/?sduid=139894&t=596320&u2=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRoFzT2slcM)
Applies to women as well :nod:

:annoyed: WTH?

:scratch:

What are you trying to say... exactly? Is someone at work harrassing you?? :mad:

I thought this was something about Appleyum breastfeeding.

:rolleyes:

:annoyed: WTH?

:scratch:

What are you trying to say... exactly? Is someone at work harrassing you?? :mad:

:rolleyes:
All the shouting :nod: ;)

If she's allowed to, I should be allowed to. Don't complain when I hang out with my wang out.

If she's allowed to, I should be allowed to. Don't complain when I hang out with my wang out.

Who ya planning on feeding with it?

Who ya planning on feeding with it?

I presumed it was his dog while taking it for a walk. I think he has a kid, but I'm fairly certain that other laws will kick into play on that one.

Did she just compare herself to Rosa Parks?


What a crackwhore.

I presumed it was his dog while taking it for a walk. I think he has a kid, but I'm fairly certain that other laws will kick into play on that one.

One can only hope. :lol:

I don't get it. I breast fed 2 kids and very rarely had to do it in public, especially by the time they were older than 4 months. Kids have a schedule by then. They are also eating cereal and food and juices and all sorts of stuff other than breast milk. If we went to a restaurant and the baby got hungry at an inopportune time, I would give them an alternative food. By 5 months they are pretty good with a sippy cup. By 7 months they are really eating alot of different stuff. A sippy cup, cut up bananas and cherrios can go a long way while they sit in a high chair. Jeez lady, get with it. Forget about carrying the pamphlet and start planning better. If she was being so discreet, why would someone be able to see her enough to complain? :dontknow:

In before the Podium (http://slickdeals.net/?sduid=31037&t=596320&u2=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)! :woot2:
Damn it...I now have two of them going at the same time :annoyed:

I don't have a problem with women breast feeding in public. I was unable to because my body didn't produce enough milk and I probably wouldn't have done that in public because no matter how natural it is I still probably would have been sort of embarassed, lol. However the woman in this article kind of annoys me.

Edit: Sorry mother types :)

I only read the title..........

Bitches need to do that shit in private.
Nothing else needs to be said.
If she has a problem "covering herself up", she's nothing more than a rabble-rauser.

Maybe someone needs to rub one out in the booth across from her.

If you're so appalled by your dog, you need to cover her. She obviously doesn't have arms to get a blanket for herself. And we'll thank you to keep us out of your private affairs where rubbing anything around your dog is concerned.

Oh wow... :bigeye:

Edit: Sorry mother types

Bitch also stands for a dumb woman that acts rudly toward society. Similar to that of a "dick" for men.

Save the baby games, ma'am.

How narrow is your world? If we didn't have pharmaceutical companies making formula, you'd have all children being breastfed. Breastfeeding isn't rude toward society, it's the skewed mentality that thinks it is that's the problem.

i think its fine for the woman to do. but if you catch me looking.. just smile :) lord knows what some people would do if they went to europe. i think it should be you cant say anything to the woman. its like telling a blind person they cant bring their dog in.

I only read the title..........

Bitches need to do that shit in private.
Nothing else needs to be said.
If she has a problem "covering herself up", she's nothing more than a rabble-rauser.

Maybe someone needs to rub one out in the booth across from her.

:rolleyes: Wow, thanks for that thought provoking point of view. Glad you could contribute. How old are you again, 15?

i think its fine for the woman to do. but if you catch me looking.. just smile :) lord knows what some people would do if they went to europe. i think it should be you cant say anything to the woman. its like telling a blind person they cant bring their dog in.

Ok now, don't get me started on those blind people and their dogs. :mad:

Ok now, don't get me started on those blind people and their dogs. :mad:


Sometimes I pretend to be blind so I can take my dog into the stores and restaurants :rock:

The things are being put to the use they were intended!!! Just because men go ga ga over ta tas is not an excuse to somehow think that breastfeeding is some deviant behavior! Geez. And to those of you concerned how to explain it to your own children, you are perpetuating the problem. It's OK for women to go get breast implants to be more sexually attractive to men, yet breastfeeding is wrong? Amazing. And just who decided men could go topless, but a woman topless was something indecent? Men perhaps? What a double standard!

My breasts are not indecent! In fact they are quite fabulous! :P :D

excuse me, but for those women out there who get breast implants, they don't go around naked for the most part (unless they are strippers and there's a place and time for that too). so, we're not talking about a double standard. they are two totally separate things. i don't go to applebee's with the same mindset as when i go to a nudie bar. i don't expect bare breasts in front of me when i eat meatloaf and potatoes with my wife and kids next to me. if that makes me wrong, then oh well.

here's an analogy for you since some women on this thread have mentioned the "natural" use of our bodies......a man's penis is for urinating and mating/sexual intercourse. if we use the same argument for breastfeeding (natural, biological thing) with the male penis, then men should be able to just whip it out anywhere and urinate.....since it is what it's intended to do!

but, once again, because if involves the sacred woman and her baby, it's a "beautiful" thing. sure......as stated, if you ladies feel that way, then feel free to go bare chested any time you want! why stop at breastfeeding!?!?!?!

by the way, as we've stated multiple times, BREASTFEEDING IS NOT BAD! however, showing off your breasts in a restaurant with other ppl eating is bad taste (excuse the pun) and not proper etiquette.

Are you female? Please submit a pic of you breastfeeding then.

There. Oooh... it's so obscene. :rolleyes: The pink you see is my son's face. He was 3 days old in this picture.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/TurkeyMom2Max/bf3.jpg


:woot: If I had a photo available, I'd post also. It can be done with taste (at least enough taste that mature adults can handle).


excuse me, but for those women out there who get breast implants, they don't go around naked for the most part (unless they are strippers and there's a place and time for that too). so, we're not talking about a double standard. they are two totally separate things. i don't go to applebee's with the same mindset as when i go to a nudie bar. i don't expect bare breasts in front of me when i eat meatloaf and potatoes with my wife and kids next to me. if that makes me wrong, then oh well.

here's an analogy for you since some women on this thread have mentioned the "natural" use of our bodies......a man's penis is for urinating and mating/sexual intercourse. if you we use the same argument for breastfeeding (natural, biological thing) with the male penis, then men should be able to just whip it out anywhere and urinate.....since it is what it's intended to do!

but, once again, because if involves the sacred woman and her baby, it's a "beautiful" thing. sure......as stated, if you ladies feel that way, then feel free to go bare chested any time you want! why stop at breastfeeding!?!?!?!

BUT here's the thing... Almost *every* place of establishment has created restrooms specifically for that purpose. Maybe it wouldn't be such an issue if there were places created just for nursing mothers? Some stores actually have these, and they are wonderful. If a store is concerned with it, they should take the steps to minimize the problem while still remaining lawful and tactful... So a nursing room would be great. Just having a bathroom and thinking that a mom should have to feed her baby in there is not enough.

excuse me, but for those women out there who get breast implants, they don't go around naked for the most part (unless they are strippers and there's a place and time for that too). so, we're not talking about a double standard. they are two totally separate things. i don't go to applebee's with the same mindset as when i go to a nudie bar. i don't expect bare breasts in front of me when i eat meatloaf and potatoes with my wife and kids next to me. if that makes me wrong, then oh well.

here's an analogy for you since some women on this thread have mentioned the "natural" use of our bodies......a man's penis is for urinating and mating/sexual intercourse. if you we use the same argument for breastfeeding (natural, biological thing) with the male penis, then men should be able to just whip it out anywhere and urinate.....since it is what it's intended to do!

but, once again, because if involves the sacred woman and her baby, it's a "beautiful" thing. sure......as stated, if you ladies feel that way, then feel free to go bare chested any time you want! why stop at breastfeeding!?!?!?!

by the way, as we've stated multiple times, BREASTFEEDING IS NOT BAD! however, showing off your breasts in a restaurant with other ppl eating is bad taste (excuse the pun) and not proper etiquette.

Again with wanting to whip out the penis! You are not nourishing another human with your urine. :shake:

Also, I've seen a lot of breastfeeding in public. I've never seen more than a quick flash of skin if a kid makes a move to look around mid-feed. Moms aren't doing it to show off their breasts in a restaurant.

How narrow is your world? If we didn't have pharmaceutical companies making formula, you'd have all children being breastfed. Breastfeeding isn't rude toward society, it's the skewed mentality that thinks it is that's the problem.

Breastfeeding isn't rude toward society.....doing it brazenly in public, espeically in an eating establishment is.:vomit:

Overbearing personalitied mothers are the most narrow people on this earth, and that's the god's honest truth. If it involves kids, or otherwise motherly topics, they will bury opponents into the ground about it, even if they're obviously wrong, or skewed in their thoughts. Must be the hormones.

That's all for now!

BUT here's the thing... Almost *every* place of establishment has created restrooms specifically for that purpose. Maybe it wouldn't be such an issue if their were places created just for nursing mothers? Some stores actually have these, and they are wonderful. If a store is concerned with it, they should take the steps to minimize the problem while still remaining lawful and tactful... So a nursing room would be great. Just having a bathroom and thinking that a mom should have to feed her baby in there is not enough.

But, businesses should NOT be obligated to make a private room for breastfeeding mothers. Why should they be treated any differently? Let's say a random person likes to go "skin" when he eats because it's more natural to them. Should the establishment allow it? Should they be obligated to build a special room for those type of ppl?

The bottom line is that it's the woman's choice to breastfeed. And, I TOTALLY respect that. However, it then does NOT have to interfere with other ppl's comfort level in certain situations.

It's my right with freedom of speech to voice my opinion. However, I'm not going to go to a elementary school and pass out KKK propaganda! Likewise, I can't go into a crowded room and yell "FIRE!"

So, at a minimum, asking a mother to cover up is a professional and nice compromise for both parties. Yet, some women think it's asking to much!?!?!?:confused:

:woot: If I had a photo available, I'd post also. It can be done with taste (at least enough taste that mature adults can handle).


i don't think there was much argument in this thread that women SHOULDN'T breastfeed in public but if they are, be discrete about it. comparing herself to rosa parks, having the pamplet in hand i think she was looking for a fight IMO.

only the people who where there really know how discrete she really was. all they asked was for her to cover up, not stop.

I find it very interesting that the Victoria's Secret fashion show is fine, but a mother providing nourishment to her child is gross. You're seeing far less skin on the nursing mom.

Bad argument. The Victoria's Secret Fashion Show doesn't just come in to Applebee's when you're there trying to enjoy a meal. Furthermore, I highly doubt that the same person that took offense to the breastfeeding mother is going to sit in front of a TV and intentionally watch that show.

I agree that mothers should have have the right to enjoy their time in a restaurant. But if she's knowingly doing something that will make other guests uncomfortable, she needs to respect the rights of those guests as well. It's extremely selfish to do otherwise. I applaud Applebee's for asking that woman to cover up.

I think there is a difference between moms who nurse their kids discreetly and that's that and those that turn it into a whole crusade.

I know many mothers who breastfed their babies in public..they were like the person who posted her picture above (I'm sorry..I can't remember who it was)...the baby was comfortable, the mom was comfortable and there really wasn't much to see. For the most part..those women weren't bothered..the baby got to eat, she got to eat and everyone was happy.

Then there are those that have to make it an in your face crusade..where they go out and almost dare anyone to say something against them. That's what bugs me.

Again with wanting to whip out the penis! You are not nourishing another human with your urine. :shake:

Also, I've seen a lot of breastfeeding in public. I've never seen more than a quick flash of skin if a kid makes a move to look around mid-feed. Moms aren't doing it to show off their breasts in a restaurant.

The intent does not matter. IT'S A RESTAURANT! Most ppl do not want to see bare breasts next to them while they're having their steak and potatoes! This is NOT an issue of a woman's right to breastfeed. Breastfeed all you want. Just at least show some modesty! AND, please have some respect and courtesy for ppl around you. You may have the right to breastfeed, but if it makes ppl around you uncomfortable to see you bare chested, have the decency to cover up or go to a private area. IT'S JUST COMMON COURTESY!

As I've mentioned before, I would not want my wife (who is currently breastfeeding) to whip out her breast in public in front of strangers, family, or friends. She's still a lady and I would want her to show some class. Why is it that society and etiquette dictates that going bare breasted is a no-no. BUT, when you add the breastfeeding aspect, then it's okay to bare all? It's still showing your breasts in public.

:wave2: That was me. But I was a card-carrying crusader, too because people can be unbelievably ignorant of the law. I never flopped my boobs around for the world to see - I'm a very modest person, but when the kid needs to eat the kid needs to eat.

The intent does not matter. IT'S A RESTAURANT! Most ppl do not want to see bare breasts next to them while they're having their steak and potatoes! This is NOT an issue of a woman's right to breastfeed. Breastfeed all you want. Just at least show some modesty! AND, please have some respect and courtesy for ppl around you. You may have the right to breastfeed, but if it makes ppl around you uncomfortable to see you bare chested, have the decency to cover up or go to a private area. IT'S JUST COMMON COURTESY!

As I've mentioned before, I would not want my wife (who is currently breastfeeding) to whip out her breast in public in front of strangers, family, or friends. She's still a lady and I would want her to show some class. Why is it that society and etiquette dictates that going bare breasted is a no-no. BUT, when you add the breastfeeding aspect, then it's okay to bare all? It's still showing your breasts in public.

It's a restaurant - and the baby's eating. :lol: Why is it so hard for people to pay attention to the people at their own table instead of staring at the woman in the corner booth trying to feed her kid?

:wave2: That was me. But I was a card-carrying crusader, too because people can be unbelievably ignorant of the law. I never flopped my boobs around for the world to see - I'm a very modest person, but when the kid needs to eat the kid needs to eat.

But see..from the picture you posted...I don't see why people would have a problem with that. If they did...well geeze.

I'm sort of curious though...how come a lot of the guys are going :vomit: when they talk about seeing a woman breastfeed but they'd go :lust: if they saw a woman with a shirt slit open so they could see her boobies with no baby attached?

:wave2: That was me. But I was a card-carrying crusader, too because people can be unbelievably ignorant of the law. I never flopped my boobs around for the world to see - I'm a very modest person, but when the kid needs to eat the kid needs to eat.

Yes, but there are other options. If not, that is a pretty stubborn way to look at life. As with most ppl, you can pump and feed your baby from a bottle. It's still breast milk. At 7 months or more, you can feed the baby certain foods. At any time, you can schedule your baby's feeding to allow you more flexibility when going out.

Similarly, it's like saying.....when you got to go, you got to go! Hence, you can urinate anywhere.

And, once again, NO ONE IS SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T BREASTFEED IN PUBLIC! Just cover up if you're in a public place and ppl are complaining.

It's a restaurant - and the baby's eating. :lol: Why is it so hard for people to pay attention to the people at their own table instead of staring at the woman in the corner booth trying to feed her kid?

DUH....cuz maybe it's that she's bare breasted! If going bare breasted is so natural for you pro-feeding in public-ladies, then PLEASE feel free to do it more often for every circumstance!

DUH....cuz maybe it's that she's bare breasted! If going bare breasted is so natural for you pro-feeding in public-ladies, then PLEASE feel free to do it more often for every circumstance!

I do! :bounce2:

But see..from the picture you posted...I don't see why people would have a problem with that. If they did...well geeze.

I'm sort of curious though...how come a lot of the guys are going :vomit: when they talk about seeing a woman breastfeed but they'd go :lust: if they saw a woman with a shirt slit open so they could see her boobies with no baby attached?

Personally, I have no qualms about women breastfeeding in public. The issue is that if there are other ppl who are uncomfortable with it in a restaurant, then it would be courteous for that woman to cover up. Modesty goes a long way.

Note, there's a difference between prohibiting something and just requesting someone to be discreet about it. For example, before there were smoking regulations, ppl could light up and smoke whenever they pleased. It was their right. However, as a courtesy, most would not just light up anywhere.

I do! :bounce2:

:eek: :eek: :)

I do! :bounce2:

:photo: :lol:

This has nothing to do with fantasies. I don't want my 6 year old asking me "Daddy, why is that baby sucking on that lady?"

When my little one asks if she used bottles, she was told that she drank mommy milk. That some babies nurse and others get bottles. Kids don't sexualize stuff like that.

I don't take my kids to a Victoria's Secret fashion show.

Women who breast feed in public = trailer trash. It's very simple. You know when your baby is going to need to eat, so schedule your life around that.
You've already been dressed down. Actually, I believe that more educated women nurse their babies than "trailer trash". Formula is given away to those on public assistance (i.e. your trailer trash). Women who have to buy formula know that it can be very $$$$.
Ignorance about this sort of issue shows that you are either very young, very uninformed, or just looking to instigate.


Please.....you forget that ppl can still pump and feed their babies breast milk.

See how quickly your wife can pump some breast milk after nursing your newborn. See how long it will take her to stockpile enough so that she can run a few errands and be gone for a few hours. Breastfeeding isn't like turning on a spigot. It takes DAYS to build up a stockpile of breastmilk. There's a reason a nursing mother will call that stuff gold. ;)

I don't get it. I breast fed 2 kids and very rarely had to do it in public, especially by the time they were older than 4 months. Kids have a schedule by then. They are also eating cereal and food and juices and all sorts of stuff other than breast milk. If we went to a restaurant and the baby got hungry at an inopportune time, I would give them an alternative food. By 5 months they are pretty good with a sippy cup. By 7 months they are really eating alot of different stuff. A sippy cup, cut up bananas and cherrios can go a long way while they sit in a high chair. Jeez lady, get with it. Forget about carrying the pamphlet and start planning better. If she was being so discreet, why would someone be able to see her enough to complain? :dontknow:
Some mothers don't add other foods to their babies' diets as early as you did. I know many who strictly nursed their babies and didn't add in any other foods until 9 months or even a year. And if a baby wants to nurse, they aren't going to be happy with a substitute. :dontknow:

This story is in our local paper today. No picture though.
I do have trouble believing that she had NOTHING to cover herself with. In a pinch, unfold a napkin and drape over yourself. I wonder if some activist group isn't behind her doing this?

And from the story, I am not sure that someone in the restaurant actually complained at that time. From how I read it, they had complaints in the past when a mother nursed her baby in the restaurant, and that's why they now ask mothers to cover up.

But I agree with the other mothers here. I wouldn't say that I was ever an 'experienced' breastfeeder. I only had to nurse in public a handful of times. I never wanted to call attention to myself and I never had anyone complain that I was indecent or was asked to cover myself.

And hubby says no to sharing pics of the act. :lol:

See how quickly your wife can pump some breast milk after nursing your newborn. See how long it will take her to stockpile enough so that she can run a few errands and be gone for a few hours. Breastfeeding isn't like turning on a spigot. It takes DAYS to build up a stockpile of breastmilk. There's a reason a nursing mother will call that stuff gold. ;)


Some mothers don't add other foods to their babies' diets as early as you did. I know many who strictly nursed their babies and didn't add in any other foods until 9 months or even a year. And if a baby wants to nurse, they aren't going to be happy with a substitute. :dontknow:

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FYI, my wife just delivered our baby boy two and a half weeks ago. So, I am aware of all that. The first few days, she will produce (if possible even) colostrum which is a oily, thick liquid in very small amounts. Then, after 4-5 days, she will then produce the milk in small amounts at first too.

However, I don't see how this applies to our topic since the woman in the article had a 7 month old baby! So obviously, she could produce sufficient amount of milk and pump. If she can't afford a pump, there are hand pumps that work pretty good for only around $20. Also, the hospitals rent out the electric pumps for around $10 per week!

As stated, there are ALWAYS options. However, some ppl may not want to burden themselves and would rather burden other ppl with their problems....THAT'S THE AMERICAN WAY.....THEN SUE!:)

By the way, my wife has only started pumping in the past one and a half weeks. She was not "well-endowed" in the breast department. However, we now have a freezer full of breast milk that can last us probably several weeks to a month!

Sometimes I pretend to be blind so I can take my dog into the stores and restaurants :rock:

It helps if you have your dog wear dark glasses also. :nod: :cool:

I wouldn't want to see that either when I am out for lunch. Is it really that much to ask that she bring a blanket or else go to the restroom to breastfeed? I don't think so and I don't get why she was so humiliated. Because people pointed out she was breastfeeding? :rolleyes: She was afterall in a public place people are gonna look. And this is just comical :shake: "That's like telling Rosa Parks she still had to sit in the back of the bus, but we'll give her a blanket to make her more comfortable," Ryan said.

Exactly. I don't want to see someone's saggy tit when I'm trying to eat. The diners should sue HER for having to pay for the meal after losing their appetites.

It helps if you have your dog wear dark glasses also. :nod: :cool:
Ooh...I'm gonna try it. Then he'll look like the dog that Lowpro used to use as his avatar :woot:

Sweet jesus.

Its a freaking boob you don't even see. Grow up.

Sweet jesus.

Its a freaking boob you don't even see. Grow up.

I've tried several analogies but here's the last one that I hope will let ppl understand the point. Let's say a male goes into a restaurant sans any shirt. Does the establishment and patrons have a right to make that person put on a shirt or leave the restaurant? I think most will agree that the patrons has every right to not want to see a shirtless guy while they are eating. And, the restaurant has every right to tell that guy to put his shirt on. Now, we're are ALSO talking about breasts....male breasts.

I've tried several analogies but here's the last one that I hope will let ppl understand the point. Let's say a male goes into a restaurant sans any shirt. Does the establishment and patrons have a right to make that person put on a shirt or leave the restaurant? I think most will agree that the patrons has every right to not want to see a shirtless guy while they are eating. And, the restaurant has every right to tell that guy to put his shirt on. Now, we're are ALSO talking about breasts....male breasts.

Are you talking about my moobs???

I've tried several analogies but here's the last one that I hope will let ppl understand the point. Let's say a male goes into a restaurant sans any shirt. Does the establishment and patrons have a right to make that person put on a shirt or leave the restaurant? I think most will agree that the patrons has every right to not want to see a shirtless guy while they are eating. And, the restaurant has every right to tell that guy to put his shirt on. Now, we're are ALSO talking about breasts....male breasts.
Is it Ewan McGregor or John Stamos going shirtless? If so...I'll go sit on their laps and hide their chests :woot:

If the lady was somewhat hot, I don't think anyone would have complained :)

For example: If aggiemomx2 was doing it, i dont think anyone would complain, instead, they'd be a little disappointed that she's covering all the goodies :)

If the lady was somewhat hot, I don't think anyone would have complained :)

For example: If aggiemomx2 was doing it, i dont think anyone would complain, instead, they'd be a little disappointed that she's covering all the goodies :)

I don't know if I should be really offended or flattered. :coverlaf: In my defense I was whacked out on pain meds in both pictures. ;)

Sweet jesus.

Its a freaking boob you don't even see. Grow up.

I knew if you came in here you would tell it like it is. :highfive:

If the lady was somewhat hot, I don't think anyone would have complained :)

For example: If aggiemomx2 was doing it, i dont think anyone would complain, instead, they'd be a little disappointed that she's covering all the goodies :)

If she was hot, I don't think any male in the restaurant would complain. However, I can totally understand if another female (with her children or spouse) complained.

With that article, I'l bet that it was another female (probably an older woman) that complained too!

Hell, if she was a hottie, I'm sure guys would line-up to wait in line for the buffet!;)

z2g, I am surprised at you. Considering your medical background, I figgered you'd be on the breast is best side. Better for the child, better for the mom.

z2g, I am surprised at you. Considering your medical background, I figgered you'd be on the breast is best side. Better for the child, better for the mom.
why is anyone who agrees she needs to cover up automatically against breast feeding?

why is anyone who agrees she needs to cover up automatically against breast feeding?

:iagree:

I am for breastfeeding. I know it is best for the baby. That is a completely separate issue.

Ok, night all.

z2g, I am surprised at you. Considering your medical background, I figgered you'd be on the breast is best side. Better for the child, better for the mom.

No....as I've tried (and many others) to stress, we are NOT against breastfeeding. My wife is currently breastfeeding. Of course, I know the benefits of breastfeeding versus formula. We are only trying to state that the business and patrons have every right to wish that she covers up her breast with a towel or blanket if she's in plain view. Most ppl do not want to see boobies while having dinner with their family.

Now, if I were with my buddies at Hooters (or any other gentlemen's club), we are all game! However, I don't want to see a woman's engorged breast being suckled while my children are sitting at the table with me trying to enjoy a meal.

why is anyone who agrees she needs to cover up automatically against breast feeding?

I'm all for her covering up but I'm also for breastfeeding on the child's demand and schedule.

What I really don't understand is that so many people from that other forum who think breasts are the bombdiggety while exposed think having it exposed but with a child attached is absolutely horrible. I think that exemplifies why we in the U.S. don't expose our breasts in public as a rule. Too many people think of them as a sexual playtoy instead of for the purpose we are born with them.

Now, if I were with my buddies at Hooters (or any other gentlemen's club), we are all game! However, I don't want to see a woman's engorged breast being suckled while my children are sitting at the table with me trying to enjoy a meal.

*sigh* Hooters doesn't expose their waitresses breasts in the restaurant, Z2G, so it would still be the same ol' rant about one woman exposing for her childs' benefit and nobody exposing for yours.

Breastfeeding isn't rude toward society.....doing it brazenly in public, espeically in an eating establishment is.:vomit:

Overbearing personalitied mothers are the most narrow people on this earth, and that's the god's honest truth. If it involves kids, or otherwise motherly topics, they will bury opponents into the ground about it, even if they're obviously wrong, or skewed in their thoughts. Must be the hormones.

That's all for now!

Seriously, please just answer this... Why is it "gross?" A real answer, please.

But see..from the picture you posted...I don't see why people would have a problem with that. If they did...well geeze.

I'm sort of curious though...how come a lot of the guys are going :vomit: when they talk about seeing a woman breastfeed but they'd go :lust: if they saw a woman with a shirt slit open so they could see her boobies with no baby attached?


Exactly.

Again, I completely understand that discretion goes a long way, and anytime I have to nurse in public, I'm sure to do all I can to help avoid anyone feeling uncomfortable... But there are those of you that are acting like if a woman can't cover up for whatever reason, then she basically should avoid feeding her child at all costs, because it's "gross."

And another, how focused should you be on another table entirely, and furthermore, on one person and their child, while you are supposed to be eating your meal and enjoying the time you have with family/friends? Sure, you say that you "can't help but notice," but I find that hard to believe. If that were the case, I don't think I could go out to eat very often, because there are people that catch my eye for whatever reason (whether it be that they are dressed inappropriately or some other thing), but it would take me purposefully focusing my energy and thoughts in order for me to let myself become distracted enough to make the whole time around that person be uncomfortable for me...

I'm all for her covering up but I'm also for breastfeeding on the child's demand and schedule.

What I really don't understand is that so many people from that other forum who think breasts are the bombdiggety while exposed think having it exposed but with a child attached is absolutely horrible. I think that exemplifies why we in the U.S. don't expose our breasts in public as a rule. Too many people think of them as a sexual playtoy instead of for the purpose we are born with them.

That's exactly what I asked earlier too..and no one answered. I was curious too :annoyed:

why is anyone who agrees she needs to cover up automatically against breast feeding?

:doh: Did I say he was against it? I just thought given his medical background he wouldn't feel the way he does.

I nursed. I was very discreet mostly because of my shyness at being exposed in public (LOL). Even if I weren't shy about exposing myself, I would still cover up so as not to make others feel uncomfortable. That's just my nature. I don't mind discreet public nursing. And I am not fond of those who are "in your face" about it either. But truly, what's most important in all of this is what's best for the baby. And what's best is nursing and bonding with its mother....and generally that means not covering up.

:doh: Did I say he was against it? I just thought given his medical background he wouldn't feel the way he does.

I nursed. I was very discreet mostly because of my shyness at being exposed in public (LOL). Even if I weren't shy about exposing myself, I would still cover up so as not to make others feel uncomfortable. That's just my nature. I don't mind discreet public nursing. And I am not fond of those who are "in your face" about it either. But truly, what's most important in all of this is what's best for the baby. And what's best is nursing and bonding with its mother....and generally that means not covering up.

This thread is making me all bummed out I couldn't breastfeed :sadwalk:

This thread is making me all bummed out I couldn't breastfeed :sadwalk:

:hug: But I bet you bonded. He||, you bond well even through the internet. :nod:

:hug: But I bet you bonded. He||, you bond well even through the internet. :nod:

We did...but I still wish I could have had the experience...and thanks :hug:

WOW, I'm astounded by the ignorance of people sometimes.

Comparing breastfeeding to swinging a penis in public is just plain immature and silly. You're comparing apples and oranges. When did a penis begin nourishing anything (other than a man's ego?) A penis isn't needed to sustain life on a daily basis.

For all you suggesting that the woman cover herself while feeding her baby in a restaurant, how about YOU cover yourself with a blanket the next time you're in a restaurant to see how comfortable it is to eat under those conditions (and then you also won't notice the breastfeeding mother with that blanket over your head.)

Also, suggesting that the woman take her baby into the restroom to feed him/her is also just plain disgusting. Next time you're served your meal at Applebee's, how about you pick up your plate and carry it to the restroom to eat. I'm sure you'll find the toilet to be nice and comfy while eating (and hope and pray someone doesn't come in and shit in the stall next to you!)

Perhaps it's the people that have the problem with breastfeeding in public that have the real issue. They need to stop sexualizing breasts.

WOW, I'm astounded by the ignorance of people sometimes.

Comparing breastfeeding to swinging a penis in public is just plain immature and silly. You're comparing apples and oranges. When did a penis begin nourishing anything (other than a man's ego?) A penis isn't needed to sustain life on a daily basis.

For all you suggesting that the woman cover herself while feeding her baby in a restaurant, how about YOU cover yourself with a blanket the next time you're in a restaurant to see how comfortable it is to eat under those conditions (and then you also won't notice the breastfeeding mother with that blanket over your head.)

Also, suggesting that the woman take her baby into the restroom to feed him/her is also just plain disgusting. Next time you're served your meal at Applebee's, how about you pick up your plate and carry it to the restroom to eat. I'm sure you'll find the toilet to be nice and comfy while eating (and hope and pray someone doesn't come in and shit in the stall next to you!)

Perhaps it's the people that have the problem with breastfeeding in public that have the real issue. They need to stop sexualizing breasts.

I don't see it as ignorance if you understand the context of the analogy. We are trying to argue that if pro-breastfeeding-in-public-in-full-view ppl are using the argument that breastfeeding is "beautiful" because it's totally natural and it is being used for what God intended it for, then the same can be said about whipping out a penis for urination. Hence, it is to show the fallacy in that original argument that if it's natural, then it's "beautiful" and okay to do in public.

We are trying to say that BOTH would be wrong to do in full view. The intent or purpose of showing one's breast in a public place where ppl are eating is irrelevant. Some women here are trying to circumvent the clear etiquette aspect of it by saying it is due to feeding a child. However, they are unable to respond with validity to the comments that the same woman can pump and feed the breast milk with a bottle if needed. And, being in a restaurant or public area would be a PERFECT reason to pull that bottle out.

As stated, for a man's standpoint, the intent of the baring of his wife's breast for other's to see is (or should be) irrelevant. I don't care about the reasons. My wife is NOT going to bare her breast for other ppl to see. And, she would not want to due to modesty, clear conscience, and courtesy.

But, as I've said, women are trying to make breastfeeding out to be a sacred right. Yes, it's beautiful and natural. However, a lot of other things in life are too. Yet, we don't have to do those things in full view of other ppl.

*sigh* Hooters doesn't expose their waitresses breasts in the restaurant, Z2G, so it would still be the same ol' rant about one woman exposing for her childs' benefit and nobody exposing for yours.

I was joking around and being sarcastic! Don't you know me by now?:)

that's ridiculous...it's just a freakin' breastfeeding for the baby's sake...!

Hmm - let baby scream and cry because they are hungry, or let them latch on and let mama modestly feed them? Hmm. Lemme think about that one. No wait, the baby doesn't have a second to wait, it wants to eat now (or like my daughter, she wanted to start eating five seconds before she realized she was hungry..).

Also, has anyone ever encountered a woman being asked to cover her breasts because she is simply wearing a revealing top? No? Really? IMAGINE THAT! Women show their breasts more with revealing tops than they usually do when breastfeeding, which is what breasts are intended for anyway.

Oi.

dear god but a bag over her whole body.

Simple way to solve the problem, and a policy that I would not be surprised to see in public eating establishments in the future. Bar access to people under the age of 5. Those under that age are unlikely to consume food on the premises, and it precludes having any breastfeeding mothers present. They would not likely loose many customers over such a policy, and it also conforms to the existing law.

Considering how profoundly prudish and judgemental Peachy is on other topics, I am a bit taken aback on her stance here. I would have expected a more victorian outlook from her on public conduct.

I do understand both sides to the argument.
The mom SHOULD have scheduled her meal around the baby's meal so that she should not have to breastfeed in public. (imagine this child going back to find out that his mother did this and was in the news for it)
And yes, it would have been polite to cover up if others were uncomfortable with breastfeeding. Not everyone is. Which is ok, we all have our own opinions.
But yes, the child would like to eat as well, which goes back to my first point. I never went out knowing my child would want a bottle while we were in public. I made sure they were fed, changed, and happy before going out. If they couldn't go long enough to make the whole trip without needing to eat, then we didn't go.
Yes, breasts are natural and made to feed children. But not everyone sees it that way. So we have to compromise once in a while. You can let them hang out all you want at home. But when around others, have the least bit of modesty.

And yes, my husband would have been really upset if I whipped my boob out in public too, even if it was to feed our child. He doesn't like other men seeing my breasts.

Considering how profoundly prudish and judgemental Peachy is on other topics, I am a bit taken aback on her stance here. I would have expected a more victorian outlook from her on public conduct.

Breastfeeding is conventional. Is the concept of breasts being a food source for infants just something you've never heard of before? Such worldly insight, KT. :nono2: It's almost as if the military didn't quite teach you everything you need to know.

Breastfeeding is conventional. Is the concept of breasts being a food source for infants just something you've never heard of before? Such worldly insight, KT. :nono2: It's almost as if the military didn't quite teach you everything you need to know.

The only thing the military taught me (aside from training and experience in some technical areas) is how to co-exist with other males without becoming violent. Oh, and I learned how to properly fold clothing and make hospital corners when making a bed.

Breast feeding is conventional, I will not dispute that. Indiscretion with it, however, is not.

I somehow doubt that in days of yore (although recent information provided to me implies that you are not quite as venerable as you often imply, and in actuality, you are not all that much older than me) women were whipping out their breasts, in full public view in the process of feeding their children.

There is nothing wrong with breastfeeding or doing it in public - and Applebees never disputed that. She was never asked to stop nourishing her child, only to conduct herself in a respectable manner. Is being uncovered and exposing yourself to a room full of strangers a breastfeeding requirement? If a woman is discrete and covers herself, the baby still eats - therefore, asking her to be discrete was in no way interfering with the act of breastfeeding, IMO.

This woman was completely out of line. No agenda my butt. She went in with no blanket but sure didn't forget to bring her pamphlet - it's like she was hoping for a confrontation. If she had conducted herself in a respectable manner to begin with there never would have been an issue - and mothers... how many of you pack a diaper bag and don't bring so much as a receiving blanket for burping? Think about it. I also agree with the poster who commented on Applebees' climate control - those places are usually on the cold side if anything, and if you're sitting under a vent God help you!

It's not about society's view on breasts, the fact that some people can't help but stare, the fact that exposing yourself is against some people's religious beliefs, or the fact that some children haven't learned about the birds and the bees yet. The bottom line is that there was no good reason for her not to exercise her rights as a breastfeeding mother in a respectable manner - aside from her own agenda. Breastfeed away, just exercise some restraint and common decency in your actions - the same expectation that is placed upon every single one of us in everything that we do.

Well said Kristin.

Breast feeding is conventional, I will not dispute that. Indiscretion with it, however, is not.

I somehow doubt that in days of yore (although recent information provided to me implies that you are not quite as venerable as you often imply, and in actuality, you are not all that much older than me) women were whipping out their breasts, in full public view in the process of feeding their children.

Sure they did. Every generation has it's rebels.

Sure they did. Every generation has it's rebels.

And therein lies the problem. It is those that have an agenda, that ignore social norms, that people have an issue with. For such a finger waver, as yourself, I do find it odd that you are siding with the rebellious ones.

And therein lies the problem. It is those that have an agenda, that ignore social norms, that people have an issue with. For such a finger waver, as yourself, I do find it odd that you are siding with the rebellious ones.

Breastfeeding isn't being rebellious. Where do you come up with this stuff? Where did I ever say she should expose herself to the public? I do believe I've mentioned several times about covering with a blanket or napkin where the OP is concerned. I think you're confusing what your interpretation of me is with reality. You need to find a better source of info. :nod:

I do understand both sides to the argument.
The mom SHOULD have scheduled her meal around the baby's meal so that she should not have to breastfeed in public. (imagine this child going back to find out that his mother did this and was in the news for it)
And yes, it would have been polite to cover up if others were uncomfortable with breastfeeding. Not everyone is. Which is ok, we all have our own opinions.
But yes, the child would like to eat as well, which goes back to my first point. I never went out knowing my child would want a bottle while we were in public. I made sure they were fed, changed, and happy before going out. If they couldn't go long enough to make the whole trip without needing to eat, then we didn't go.
Yes, breasts are natural and made to feed children. But not everyone sees it that way. So we have to compromise once in a while. You can let them hang out all you want at home. But when around others, have the least bit of modesty.

And yes, my husband would have been really upset if I whipped my boob out in public too, even if it was to feed our child. He doesn't like other men seeing my breasts.

:applause:

Finally, the voice of reason emerges.

I do understand both sides to the argument.
The mom SHOULD have scheduled her meal around the baby's meal so that she should not have to breastfeed in public. (imagine this child going back to find out that his mother did this and was in the news for it)
And yes, it would have been polite to cover up if others were uncomfortable with breastfeeding. Not everyone is. Which is ok, we all have our own opinions.
But yes, the child would like to eat as well, which goes back to my first point. I never went out knowing my child would want a bottle while we were in public. I made sure they were fed, changed, and happy before going out. If they couldn't go long enough to make the whole trip without needing to eat, then we didn't go.
Yes, breasts are natural and made to feed children. But not everyone sees it that way. So we have to compromise once in a while. You can let them hang out all you want at home. But when around others, have the least bit of modesty.

And yes, my husband would have been really upset if I whipped my boob out in public too, even if it was to feed our child. He doesn't like other men seeing my breasts.

This doesn't always work. My oldest nursed every two hours. There is no way you can compare a bottle fed child on a schedule to a nursed child. It just doesn't compare.

Breastfeeding isn't being rebellious. Where do you come up with this stuff?

I never said it was. Where do you come up with your information? Is it neccessary to misrepresent me?

Where did I ever say she should expose herself to the public? I do believe I've mentioned several times about covering with a blanket or napkin where the OP is concerned.

Where has anyone objected to breastfeeding, itself? Everyones' objections that I have noted, had to do with indiscrete behavior (read failure to cover up).

I think you're confusing what your interpretation of me is with reality. You need to find a better source of info. :nod:

I base my interpretation by how you present yourself.

What I really don't understand is that so many people from that other forum who think breasts are the bombdiggety while exposed think having it exposed but with a child attached is absolutely horrible.

That's exactly what I asked earlier too..and no one answered. I was curious too :annoyed:

Why do women feel the need to expose themselves with a child attached, but shy away when there is no baby involved? :dontknow:

http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/1127125368179993.JPG

Hoorah!

Wow.... that poll is really biased.

That poll is the most offensive thing about this thread.

Wow.... that poll is really biased.

Ya think? :nod:

Too bad we could not just adopt a policy of changing the social norm to women walking around topless all the time. That would totally solve the problem. :bigeye:

Ya think? :nod:

Too bad we could not just adopt a policy of changing the social norm to women walking around topless all the time. That would totally solve the problem. :bigeye:

Have you ever read National Geographic? I really don't think that's a good idea for anyone. :shake: Saggy baggy elephant has nothing on those ladies. :lol:

That's her agenda. She knew she would be questioned on it and had the pamphlet at the ready. She wanting to once again force government into making PRIVATE business owners do their bidding.

You ever breastfed in public? Have you ever been confronted while breastfeeding in public? This is probably not the first time she was confronted, had gotten tired of the confrontations and had the pamphlet with her because of prior confrontations.

You ever breastfed in public? Have you ever been confronted while breastfeeding in public? This is probably not the first time she was confronted, had gotten tired of the confrontations and had the pamphlet with her because of prior confrontations.

This is not an excuse. If you are consistently doing something, anything, in public that draws confrontations, then maybe you should reconsider whatever it is that you are doing.

Seriously the poll is extremely offensive. Can you add, none of the above because this poll sucks?

This is not an excuse. If you are consistently doing something, anything, in public that draws confrontations, then maybe you should reconsider whatever it is that you are doing.


Maybe people in general should lighten-up on the entire brestfeeding issue, and reconsidering feeding your child is not an option. DW is very discrete, and covered and has been asked by passers-by to stop, or she has overheard comments from passers-by. Why, because they can see the babies head, or the blanket is knitted and has holes (like this)

http://www.pioneerheritageshoppe.com/knitting/lacebabyblanketbluebabybooties-03042lg.jpg

It is just a breastfeeding mom, who is covered up and discrete, but the comments get made anyway. Society in general does not accept breastfeeding in public.

well, if people gave me some serious options, i will modify the poll.

with the exception of Celery, those are the options i have gleaned out of the 16 pages of text

Since when did breastfeeding become disrespectful? Where in that article did it say she was exposing herself to a roomful of strangers? She was in a corner booth, minding her own business and feeding her baby. She wasn't running around Applebee's with her breasts hanging out and sticking them in the other customers faces.

The fact that some people can't help but stare is THEIR issue. My mother taught me when I was younger that it isn't polite to stare at others, as a matter of fact, it's rude. So who is the rude and disrespectful one in the restaurant? The ones staring or the one quietly feeding her hungry baby in the corner?

There is nothing wrong with breastfeeding or doing it in public - and Applebees never disputed that. She was never asked to stop nourishing her child, only to conduct herself in a respectable manner. Is being uncovered and exposing yourself to a room full of strangers a breastfeeding requirement? If a woman is discrete and covers herself, the baby still eats - therefore, asking her to be discrete was in no way interfering with the act of breastfeeding, IMO.

This woman was completely out of line. No agenda my butt. She went in with no blanket but sure didn't forget to bring her pamphlet - it's like she was hoping for a confrontation. If she had conducted herself in a respectable manner to begin with there never would have been an issue - and mothers... how many of you pack a diaper bag and don't bring so much as a receiving blanket for burping? Think about it. I also agree with the poster who commented on Applebees' climate control - those places are usually on the cold side if anything, and if you're sitting under a vent God help you!

It's not about society's view on breasts, the fact that some people can't help but stare, the fact that exposing yourself is against some people's religious beliefs, or the fact that some children haven't learned about the birds and the bees yet. The bottom line is that there was no good reason for her not to exercise her rights as a breastfeeding mother in a respectable manner - aside from her own agenda. Breastfeed away, just exercise some restraint and common decency in your actions - the same expectation that is placed upon every single one of us in everything that we do.

You ever breastfed in public? Have you ever been confronted while breastfeeding in public? This is probably not the first time she was confronted, had gotten tired of the confrontations and had the pamphlet with her because of prior confrontations.

True, but if she has been confronted on numerous occasions, perhaps she should have had a pillowcase or small blanket handy. Take a look at the poll. Even it has an obvious agenda.

I find it disgusting and offensive when a person at a restaurant talks with their mouth completely full or chews with their mouth wide-open, but I don't let that ruin my meal. I can handle focusing my attention to my own table.

This is not an excuse. If you are consistently doing something, anything, in public that draws confrontations, then maybe you should reconsider whatever it is that you are doing.
So, because OTHERS have an issue with breastfeeding, people should stop doing it? I would guess you're a follower and not a leader in life.

This doesn't always work. My oldest nursed every two hours. There is no way you can compare a bottle fed child on a schedule to a nursed child. It just doesn't compare.

Then go in that 2 hour time frame in between?

I find it disgusting and offensive when a person at a restaurant talks with their mouth completely full or chews with their mouth wide-open, but I don't let that ruin my meal. I can handle focusing my attention to my own table.
*GASP* Next time tell them you are offended and make them cover their mouth with a blanket :lol:

PS. I've been MIA since becoming sick so I missed the birth of your baby. Did you have a boy or girl? Name? And a belated congrats!

i have to side with applebees on the blanket bit. if that breast milk were to theoretically squirt on a table, floor, plate ...etc, that's a MAJOR sanitary issue.

i have to side with applebees on the blanket bit. if that breast milk were to theoretically squirt on a table, floor, plate ...etc, that's a MAJOR sanitary issue.


Not that I disagree on your points, but breastmilk "squirting" isn't any more of a biohazard than someone sneezing and not covering their mouths. The chances that a person would actually come in contact with a womans breastmilk are practically nil compared to coming into contact with a noncovered sneezer.

i have to side with applebees on the blanket bit. if that breast milk were to theoretically squirt on a table, floor, plate ...etc, that's a MAJOR sanitary issue.
Ok, that's one the LAMEST excuses I have seen yet in this thread! What about those (gasp! ADULTS even) that have a cough and spread their germs around??? AND, furthermore, that would be an issue Applebee's has for not properly cleaning the tables after each customer has finished.

So, because OTHERS have an issue with breastfeeding, people should stop doing it? I would guess you're a rational thinker and not a rebel in life.

fify.

why is anyone who agrees she needs to cover up automatically against breast feeding?

I think there is a difference between moms who nurse their kids discreetly and that's that and those that turn it into a whole crusade.

Then there are those that have to make it an in your face crusade..where they go out and almost dare anyone to say something against them. That's what bugs me.

There is nothing wrong with breastfeeding or doing it in public - and Applebees never disputed that. She was never asked to stop nourishing her child, only to conduct herself in a respectable manner. Is being uncovered and exposing yourself to a room full of strangers a breastfeeding requirement? If a woman is discrete and covers herself, the baby still eats - therefore, asking her to be discrete was in no way interfering with the act of breastfeeding, IMO.

It's not about society's view on breasts, the fact that some people can't help but stare, the fact that exposing yourself is against some people's religious beliefs, or the fact that some children haven't learned about the birds and the bees yet. The bottom line is that there was no good reason for her not to exercise her rights as a breastfeeding mother in a respectable manner - aside from her own agenda. Breastfeed away, just exercise some restraint and common decency in your actions - the same expectation that is placed upon every single one of us in everything that we do.
:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

Is this still going on????? Man, go outside and play or get a more entertaining job or something :)

Side note: I agree with the ones apple agrees with. Fo' sho'. Well not #3 enitrely, she should go to the bathroom, or wait until she gets home, or something of the like.

fify.
Call it what you want, I call it how I see it.

go ahead and fed them...dont mind me watching or taking picture hehhe

Not that I disagree on your points, but breastmilk "squirting" isn't any more of a biohazard than someone sneezing and not covering their mouths. The chances that a person would actually come in contact with a womans breastmilk are practically nil compared to coming into contact with a noncovered sneezer.

:iagree:

Just as an experiment, I am posting the picture below onto this public forum.

How many people find it offensive?
How many people find it sexual?
How many people find it to be a beautiful and innocent image?
How many people are going to modalert this post?
Will this post get deleted?
Will I get warned?

http://www.parentdish.com/media/2006/06/boobfeed.jpg

Rally, to be honest, I keep getting caught in the loop of comparing the size of the baby's head to the boob. It's mesmorizing.

Just as an experiment, I am posting the picture below onto this public forum.

How many people find it offensive?
How many people find it sexual?
How many people find it to be a beautiful and innocent image?
How many people are going to modalert this post?
Will this post get deleted?
Will I get warned?

http://www.parentdish.com/media/2006/06/boobfeed.jpg
I don't find it offensive.
I don't find it sexual.
I don't find it beautiful, I find it natural.
I think it's an innocent baby eating his/her meal.
It shouldn't be mod-alerted.
It shouldn't be deleted.
You shouldn't receive a warning.

But, I think you're unfairly comparing situations. It appears in the above picture as if the woman has removed her shirt and bra, which I don't think was the case in Applebee's. So, the woman feeding in Applebee's would have been more descreet than the picture above.

Just as an experiment, I am posting the picture below onto this public forum.

How many people find it offensive?
How many people find it sexual?
How many people find it to be a beautiful and innocent image?
How many people are going to modalert this post?
Will this post get deleted?
Will I get warned?



You will get warned and the post will get deleted, but I will not mod-alert it.

she's not even trying to cover herself, she took her whole breast out and is letting everyone see it. it's not the same thing

I'm just waiting to see t-shirts that say "Boobies. It's whats for dinner".

What I really don't understand is that so many people from that other forum who think breasts are the bombdiggety while exposed think having it exposed but with a child attached is absolutely horrible. I think that exemplifies why we in the U.S. don't expose our breasts in public as a rule. Too many people think of them as a sexual playtoy instead of for the purpose we are born with them.

It's more of our American culture. American is predominately run by religion and most religion are against exposing breasts because they consider them as sexual. Our media has reinforce that by making breasts a sexual icon. Men can run around topless but women can't.

Too bad we could not just adopt a policy of changing the social norm to women walking around topless all the time. That would totally solve the problem. :bigeye:
If we did what KimbersTimber said ... there wouldn't be no fuss. How many African native oogle at breasts(ok before they become saggy). They see it everyday so it has become the norm. They don't see anything special about them. How many people stare at cows utters?

Currently breastfeeding is not the norm and most people are not expose to it before...so anytime some mother want to breast feed her baby people will definitely stare. Kind of like first time you seeing car accident on the road while driving. You know are suppose to pay attention to driving but it's unique so you brain couldn't comprehend you continue to stare. Once people get used to it they won't even bother to look.

As for why people would find it disgusting...same reason as before it's not the norm and people are not expose to it every day. Many people were disgusted by gay kissing...now it's on national TV so there is more tolerance and wider acceptance. Pretty soon TV shows will start showing mother breastfeeding her kids. It's a culture shock. People don't like it first but they will accept it once they get used to it.