Well, I am thinking of getting a console to play video games [especially since my laptop cannot handle any new games,really, and I would have to build a whole new gaming computer for 1000$. ]
So the PS3 is out of the question for me, and it comes to the Wii and 360

This is what i have listed

Wii
Fun for the Family
Free online play
Cool controller
Not so many good games
Hopefully, good games to come
Cheap, compared to the other consoles

XBOX 360
Great line of games
Games look good
Maybe not so fun for family, especially with M rated titles
Games that I cannot run on PC, are usually available on 360
Online play costs money


That is all i can think, anyone have more reasons?
Please tell me your opinions especially if you have both or even one.

also tell me if you know there will be price cuts during time of Christmas :D

EDIT- I like mario games, fps, zelda, and games found on both consoles. I want games that would last long, last fun, and great reply value

I think the shortage negates any price discrepancies between the two consoles. I would buy the Xbox right now since there are some nice bundles out there and wait for the Wii for later.

Wii all the way, soooo much fun. Super Mario Galaxy is a great new game. If you want to be visually pleased get the 360, if you want to have fun, go with the Wii.

So guys to answer my question
what console will last longer game wise and fun wise because i wont be able to play online and get a whole bunch of games right away

I think it really depends on your own preference. Some previous Wii owners have stated that the console is "gimmicky" and the novelty tends to wear thin after a while. However, there are many who swear by it and greatly enjoy the "fun for the entire family" aspect of it.

If you're really into gaming or even just traditional gaming, then I'd say to stick with the 360. As far as graphics, the Wii is a step back from even the original Xbox standards with many of those family-friendly games. Personally, I've played the Wii at my friend's house. He got it for his daughter. With the golf, tennis, and bowling games, he and his daughter (and their friends) have a good time. I thought it was fun too. However, I can imagine that if I was playing the Wii games alone, it would be quite boring. But, that's just me.

However, I can imagine that if I was playing the Wii games alone, it would be quite boring. But, that's just me.

have you tried mario or buying a wii zapper and any shooting game like Resident Evil or Medal of Honor, then tell me what you think.

the wii is going to be fun for a few years to come.

If you're looking to get a system immediately, the Wii may not be your answer unless you're willing to get up early to head out to a B&M; otherwise, you'll be dishing out a bit more from a reseller or a bundle (which may not cost you more per item, but you'll be paying around $500-600). I currently have both systems and both are worth it in their own ways, as I wouldn't really compare the two.

XBox 360's online play can be really cheap, at most you'd be paying $5 a month. Online play gives great replay. The games are $10 more than Wii, but there are always sales, like right now BB has a coupon for $10 off any game. The Wii is fun for family get togethers, like Wii Sports and Guitar Hero for example. However, XBox has Guitar Hero as well and Rockband. Rockband is so fun to play with a group of 4.

Ultimately it's your choice. If you're looking for something right away, I would go with the XBox. If you don't mind digging a little deeper, go for the Wii.

So guys to answer my question
what console will last longer game wise and fun wise because i wont be able to play online and get a whole bunch of games right away
if you want to sort the good games from a mess of FPS and racing games, go 360. If you want to sort the good games from cartoony, family friendly minigame collections, go Wii.
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To me, 360 is a console that's starting to cross the line to "wanna-be PC." The control pad is fairly complex in order to give you controller depth to rival a keyboard. The processor and graphics engine are there to match a graphics card and good mobo. Of course, most people don't have their PCs hooked up to 50" plasmas, but then again, most online PC games don't charge money.

On the flipside, Wii doesn't have an identity crisis -- it's a straight up console. It's controller is fairly simple. However, when it's done right, it can also use your natural reactions (who didn't jerk their hands up a bit while making a big jump in mario bros?) to add some complexity to the controls, but it is (again, when done right), an intuitive complexity, not "hit Lshoulder1, Lshoulder 2, analog down, and X to roll on the ground" combinatoric complexity.

Lasting longer game-wise depends on who you are and what you like. For one thing, online adds a lot of replay value. While WFC from Ninty is just starting to pick up in the last few months on Wii (well established on DS), it is solid overall. 360, of course, is the standard, but when you think of the $$$ it costs over the years, it really starts to add up. With Wii, you don't have to pay for replay value. Also, if you're into it, Smash Bros Brawl really looks like it could be one of the most replayable games of all times. Its predecessor, Melee, had tons of replay value, but Brawl has AT LEAST the ability to make (and send!) new stages (might be more secrets unveiled in the next few months) which basically makes it a new game every time. And I prefer Wii's VC catalog to Live Arcade. True, Arcade does have some cool games, but it's hard to beat the libraries of NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, TG16, and Neo-Geo COMBINED.

And, please, just laugh at the people who say "OMG!!1!11! thE Wii is t3h suxxor cause the grafix are the WORST! All cartoony! My XBOX was soooo much betterzz!!1!" Games, as in any medium, have an art direction that is up to the designer. True, it does have some limitations on what it can or can't do (output higher than 480p, for one), but it doesn't require games to be cartoony. That's a choice the game designer makes because they feel like it'll sell the best or gets across the vision they had in mind. The Wii can output plenty realistically -- see Madden, Metroid, and Manhunt, if you will. Also lending to the confusion is the fact that companies like to make a quick buck by porting their xbox, ps2, or gamecube game to the Wii. Just because such games RUN on the Wii (and are quite prevalent) doesn't mean they're pushing the Wii's capabilities. Heck, even many of the Wii's "flagships" (ie Paper Mario, Zelda) were made to run on Gamecube. Standards, as z2g discusses above, are a product of market forces, not system capabilities.

Future-wise, 360 has the horsepower (duh), but Wii has the innovation which MAY spark developers to create some ingenious games for it that really wouldn't make sense on other systems. Of course, some people don't care about this, but instead prefer to blow the snot out of aliens, dinosaurs, terrorists, and the like, while looking pretty. It's guaranteed that these games will be made. Not guaranteed about innovative Wii games. To each their own! :cheers:

I just sold the Wii for a 360 for my son.

He never played it. I bowled quite often.

He plays the 360 ALL THE TIME

at this point it might not matter because you will most likely get addicted to guitar hero on whatever system you get.:rock:

ARe the games for the Wii [ie galaxy, medal of honor, super smash, and others] really boring when you play by yourself? My sister and bro will play, but not as much as me.

if you want to sort the good games from a mess of FPS and racing games, go 360. If you want to sort the good games from cartoony, family friendly minigame collections, go Wii.
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To me, 360 is a console that's starting to cross the line to "wanna-be PC." The control pad is fairly complex in order to give you controller depth to rival a keyboard. The processor and graphics engine are there to match a graphics card and good mobo. Of course, most people don't have their PCs hooked up to 50" plasmas, but then again, most online PC games don't charge money.

On the flipside, Wii doesn't have an identity crisis -- it's a straight up console. It's controller is fairly simple. However, when it's done right, it can also use your natural reactions (who didn't jerk their hands up a bit while making a big jump in mario bros?) to add some complexity to the controls, but it is (again, when done right), an intuitive complexity, not "hit Lshoulder1, Lshoulder 2, analog down, and X to roll on the ground" combinatoric complexity.

Lasting longer game-wise depends on who you are and what you like. For one thing, online adds a lot of replay value. While WFC from Ninty is just starting to pick up in the last few months on Wii (well established on DS), it is solid overall. 360, of course, is the standard, but when you think of the $$$ it costs over the years, it really starts to add up. With Wii, you don't have to pay for replay value. Also, if you're into it, Smash Bros Brawl really looks like it could be one of the most replayable games of all times. Its predecessor, Melee, had tons of replay value, but Brawl has AT LEAST the ability to make (and send!) new stages (might be more secrets unveiled in the next few months) which basically makes it a new game every time. And I prefer Wii's VC catalog to Live Arcade. True, Arcade does have some cool games, but it's hard to beat the libraries of NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, TG16, and Neo-Geo COMBINED.

And, please, just laugh at the people who say "OMG!!1!11! thE Wii is t3h suxxor cause the grafix are the WORST! All cartoony! My XBOX was soooo much betterzz!!1!" Games, as in any medium, have an art direction that is up to the designer. True, it does have some limitations on what it can or can't do (output higher than 480p, for one), but it doesn't require games to be cartoony. That's a choice the game designer makes because they feel like it'll sell the best or gets across the vision they had in mind. The Wii can output plenty realistically -- see Madden, Metroid, and Manhunt, if you will. Also leading to the confusion is the fact that companies like to make a quick buck by porting their xbox, ps2, or gamecube game to the Wii. Just because such games RUN on the Wii (and are quite prevalent) doesn't mean they're pushing the Wii's capabilities. Standards, as z2g discusses above, are a product of market forces, not system capabilities.

Future-wise, 360 has the horsepower (duh), but Wii has the innovation which MAY spark developers to create some ingenious games for it that really wouldn't make sense on other systems. Of course, some people don't care about this, but instead prefer to blow the snot out of aliens, dinosaurs, terrorists, and the like, while looking pretty.

Great post

ARe the games for the Wii [ie galaxy, medal of honor, super smash, and others] really boring when you play by yourself? My sister and bro will play, but not as much as me.
galaxy and MP3, two of the best Wii games, are single player. (Mario 2p doesn't count :lol:) Smash this time will have a significant 1P storyline campaign that sounds kinda like a fighter-platformer in the style of double-dragon or streets of rage). Can't comment on the others.

Great post
thank you :)

Well, I am thinking of getting a console to play video games [especially since my laptop cannot handle any new games,really, and I would have to build a whole new gaming computer for 1000$. ]
So the PS3 is out of the question for me, and it comes to the Wii and 360

EDIT- I like mario games, fps, zelda, and games found on both consoles. I want games that would last long, last fun, and great reply value


So wait, why is the ps3 out of the question? If it's the price point, you shouldn't overlook it, since you might/probably will spend more money on peripherals on the 360/wii.


But personally would choose the 360. Haven't touched my wii for a while except for SMG(but not really) cause I just got my ps3.

If your choosing ONLY between a Wii and 360... I would go with the 360 hands down..
Lots More Power
Alot Better Graphics
Better Game Selection
Yes..the games are as fun (or more fun) than block figures competing against each other.
Get the newer 360 with HDMI. (Just make sure it has HDMI)
The display on the Wii is barely better than basic standard tube TV resolution (480P)...more of a "Toy" than a gaming system.
However if you are more concerned with games for kids and youth..Nintendo always does well.
I ..as someone else mentioned..would not understand why you would eliminate a PS3 from the equation?
I am having a hard time choosing between the 360 w/HDMI and a PS3 w/Blu Ray ability.
Figure in a good Blu Ray player costs roughly $300-$400..it makes it hard to decide.
(The Blu Ray DOES look superior to a regular DVD)
However with LG's new combo BluRay / HD-DVD at a good price that throws a knot in my situation .
I am tending more to the 360 w/HDMI since,and only since, I already have a large backlog of original XBOX games which the 360 will play 75% of them (and a few which could be system linked between the original XBOX and the 360).
Just remember..the longer you wait, the cheaper it will cost! Typical technology.

I have both and like them both. Right now I don't touch my 360 because I am really into SMG. However, once that is over there is nothing to get me playing the Wii again for quite some time. The mini-game games get old after playing them once.

There are loads of games on my 360 that I always go back to playing. Co-op Gears of War on insane is still fun even though I've been through it several times. The multi is awesome of course too. I can jump back on Oblivion and do tons more quests that I haven't finished and have a great time (even though I am 120hrs into the game). Mass Effect is pretty damn sweet with a high replay-ability factor. Then's theres the multi-platform games like GH and DDR with excellent online support. Xbox live offers tons of awesome features and IF Nintendo ever tries something like this it's gonna be a long time.

I don't know why so many people care about graphics.... the best game i've ever played has to be the original mario for nes... and it was 2d.
Graphics are ok.. but GOW... great graphics but not enough replay value for me...

Wii i don't own, I want one, I play my friends at college all the time.
Xbox 360 I play probably 3 hours a day.. only because of halo 3 online.

If xbox 360 didnt have online I probably wouldnt be playing it at all..

Try them both.. see what you like.. *if you can*

Graphics to me is a big WHO CARES.. I dont need to be looking at a realistic person to have fun... wii tennis with my cousin is a BLAST.. and the characters look fake..

Fark Graphics... its about how much fun you have with a game.

If your choosing ONLY between a Wii and 360... I would go with the 360 hands down..
Lots More Power
Alot Better Graphics
Better Game Selection
Yes..the games are as fun (or more fun) than block figures competing against each other.
Get the newer 360 with HDMI. (Just make sure it has HDMI)
The display on the Wii is barely better than basic standard tube TV resolution (480P)...more of a "Toy" than a gaming system.
However if you are more concerned with games for kids and youth..Nintendo always does well.
I ..as someone else mentioned..would not understand why you would eliminate a PS3 from the equation?
I am having a hard time choosing between the 360 w/HDMI and a PS3 w/Blu Ray ability.
Figure in a good Blu Ray player costs roughly $300-$400..it makes it hard to decide.
(The Blu Ray DOES look superior to a regular DVD)
However with LG's new combo BluRay / HD-DVD at a good price that throws a knot in my situation .
I am tending more to the 360 w/HDMI since,and only since, I already have a large backlog of original XBOX games which the 360 will play 75% of them (and a few which could be system linked between the original XBOX and the 360).
Just remember..the longer you wait, the cheaper it will cost! Typical technology.
funny. i'm sitting here with my 2 boys (ages 9 and 12) we've been going over and over this same debate for a month. this thread popped up and we've now read every response. i'm thinking the wii is best for them. they have a gamecube and lots of games still for that.
now....the question is how the heck to find one in stock????:rolleyes:

funny. i'm sitting here with my 2 boys (ages 9 and 12) we've been going over and over this same debate for a month. this thread popped up and we've now read every response. i'm thinking the wii is best for them. they have a gamecube and lots of games still for that.
now....the question is how the heck to find one in stock????:rolleyes:
May I suggest prayer?

scubastevie -- you like SMB1 over 3? I'm impressed. SMB3 makes me swoon :blush:

it was to get my point across, graphics don't make good games... COD4 is good but is way to short.... so it has good graphics and is fun.. but it ends. If im gonna spend 50-60 im gonna have to have replay value... halo3 online.. replay value.. wii tennis...replay value... COD4 with great graphics...pretty boring.

May I suggest getting a Gamefly subscription? I think the same, why spend 50-60 to beat something in a few hours and never touch it again, which is why I needed a service like Gamefly....

Buy the long games -- RPGs, online shooters, etc, to pace yourself. Rent the rest.

I must say CoD4 was awesome. But yea, it was too short.

it was to get my point across, graphics don't make good games... COD4 is good but is way to short.... so it has good graphics and is fun.. but it ends. If im gonna spend 50-60 im gonna have to have replay value... halo3 online.. replay value.. wii tennis...replay value... COD4 with great graphics...pretty boring.

That's why you play online?

The Wii is more for kids.

The 360 is for everyone.

360 ftw

The Wii is more for kids.

The 360 is for everyone.

360 ftw
i just bought manhunt 2 for my 5 year old cousin, going along that line of thought :rolleyes:

i just bought manhunt 2 for my 5 year old cousin, going along that line of thought :rolleyes:

y would u get that game for a 5 y/o :mad:

y would u get that game for a 5 y/o :mad:
cause it's a wii game and wii is for kids. ergo, it must be a kids game.

I don't see at all where a generalization occurred...

cause it's a wii game and wii is for kids. ergo, it must be a kids game.

I don't see at all where a generalization occurred...
I understand your point Bonkman. Not ALL Wii games are kid games. BTW I am an adult male with 3 daughters. My 2 oldest love to play Wii with me. I understand that they will not want to spend time with me in 10 years so I cherish it now..

Ok guys, i think I have decided on the Wii.....

But i just realized that most places have the Wii sold out, even if it has been a year. wonder if i can get it before Christmas.....
So do you guys think there will be price cuts, or bundles with Mario galaxy or Super smash bros?

Bestbuy is selling them this Sunday for sure. So if you are willing to get their 3 hours or so b4 10 AM, you should be ok. Happy hunting...

I have all 3 consoles.

Wii does not have the solid 3rd party titles to hold anyone that wants to play single player games for more then maybe a month. It starts out as a fun new experience.. Everyone and your grandma (literally) wants to give it a shot. Wii sports holds your interest for a good week or 2 maybe. Then you go out and buy wii play for more fun novelty mini games, and the free wii remote. After that gets old (3-5 days) you're already craving a real game. Zelda and metroid prime 3 fill this void for a while. Then you make the mistake of buying a half ass 3rd party game. For those that don't know what a 3rd party game is, it's a game that doesn't have mario, zelda, or samus or a combination of all of them in it. Poorly crafted games with unresponsive controls await past these fun 1st party games.

360 has a lot of solid titles, granted most are first and third person shooters, but none the less are good. Online play which kicks up the replay value sometimes a million percent. The only downside to 360 is you will be spending a lot of money on additional stuff. Year of xbox live $50 second wireless controller $50, wifi adapter $99. Its a pocket raper.

ps3 ugh. UGH. All I can say is ask me again in 2009 when there's 10 games worth buying. The system its self is tight, but the titles are really really lacking atm.

Ok guys, i think I have decided on the Wii.....

But i just realized that most places have the Wii sold out, even if it has been a year. wonder if i can get it before Christmas.....
So do you guys think there will be price cuts, or bundles with Mario galaxy or Super smash bros?

Didn't you basically answer your own question? Why would they do a price cut if they are still selling out? It wouldn't make sense.

http://www.nowinstock.net/get_Item.php?pid=96

where is this link to it is blocked from my work address someone !

I have both the Wii and 360.

They serve two completely different purposes for me. For having people over and playing great 2-4 player mini games and just having fun the Wii destroys the 360. The vast majority of great games for the 360 are not the sort of thing I would play with multiple people in the same room. Plus if anyone has a Gamecube, they can play all their games on the Wii. Some of my favorite group games on the Wii are Rayman Ravin Rabbids, Sonic and Mario Olymics, and Mario Party 8. Some of my favorite 1 or 2 player games are Super Mario Galaxy, Resident Evil, Guitar Hero 3 and Surfs Up.

For me, my 360 serves a totally different purpose. When I want to play games and nobody is in the house to play with, I can get on Xbox Live and go wild. The sound and graphics are fantasic, and the first/third person shooters are unreal. I also can use Live to download HD movies to my harddrive or download some pretty fun arcade games. Plus, I can download demos of a lot of games to sample them before running out and buying them or paying for a rental.

For my gaming lifestyle I love having both. Figure out which one will fit the lifestyle of your household and go for it. You can always sell it online if you regret your choice. If you're like me, maybe you need to get one now and the other one later.

IMHO, you can't really find the answer to your question by asking it here (although it does help some). It really amounts to what kind of gamer you are. If you are into games that are less mature, fun, innovative (ATM) and if you often have company over, go with the Wii. If you are into the more mature games, shooters, and if graphics and online is important to you, go with the 360.

You never answered why you're overlooking the PS3 but it seems like it's because of the price. I own both the 360 and PS3, and I can honestly say that I got more for the money buying the PS3, even though it's a BIT more expensive up front. I spent a lot on accessories (rechargable packs, wireless, online, etc.) for the 360. Even though there's a small selection of games right now on the PS3, I can see it blowing up in 2008. This is only my opinion and I love my 360, so don't get me wrong.

I'm also looking to get a Wii when it's widely available. I hate the thought of hasseling to get one. So what type of gamer are you? What interests you now? What are you looking forward to playing in the near future? These are all the questions we can't answer for you. Happy gaming, whatever it is you choose.

To me, 360 is a console that's starting to cross the line to "wanna-be PC." The control pad is fairly complex in order to give you controller depth to rival a keyboard. The processor and graphics engine are there to match a graphics card and good mobo. Of course, most people don't have their PCs hooked up to 50" plasmas, but then again, most online PC games don't charge money.

On the flipside, Wii doesn't have an identity crisis -- it's a straight up console. It's controller is fairly simple. However, when it's done right, it can also use your natural reactions (who didn't jerk their hands up a bit while making a big jump in mario bros?) to add some complexity to the controls, but it is (again, when done right), an intuitive complexity, not "hit Lshoulder1, Lshoulder 2, analog down, and X to roll on the ground" combinatoric complexity.

The 360 controller is no more complex than any controller that has come out since the Playstation's dual shock. On top of which, the Wii has just as many buttons (not counting power and home buttons) and most are placed in rather awkward places. The relative complexity has far less to do with the system itself and more to do with the games. Games made for the Wii are probably made with the intention of simplicity and ease of use to attract a wider audience. Yes, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, but that's what's going on here.

I bought a Wii last August along with 2 games, Wii Sports and I acquired a 4th a month later. The problem is that the only game I played was Wii Sports! The depth of that game is really shallow and didn't really last me very long. After about a month, I didn't even play Wii games on it anymore. I played my GameCube games on there and my older system games (PS2 and Xbox). I traded the Wii for an Xbox360 with someone on GameTZ and basically played that MORE in 2 weeks than I played any Wii game the entire 2 months I owned the Wii.

I do feel that the Wii is, more or less, a novelty which is why it's selling so much and when it comes right down to it, when I play a game, I want to relax and sit there rather than jumping around, swinging my arms and whatnot. I've just enjoyed my Xbox360 far more than my Wii.

Ok guys, i think I have decided on the Wii.....

But i just realized that most places have the Wii sold out, even if it has been a year. wonder if i can get it before Christmas.....
So do you guys think there will be price cuts, or bundles with Mario galaxy or Super smash bros?

Price cuts = not in the foreseeable future. Bundles SMG or SSB = possible, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

The bundles you see now are put together by sellers (CC, BB, etc...). Given how well the Wii is selling they don't need to entice you into buying the system by packaging it together popular titles like SMG and SSB. Sometimes sellers will allow you to choose from a few different games, some of them "good" games, others not so much. Just as often though they package together games that you may not want.

My advice is to keep checking around for individual consoles, unless you find a bundle that looks appealing. Who knows TRU might get another massive Wii shipment in between now and X-Mas. Good luck!

I don't know why so many people care about graphics.... the best game i've ever played has to be the original mario for nes... and it was 2d.
Graphics are ok.. but GOW... great graphics but not enough replay value for me...

Wii i don't own, I want one, I play my friends at college all the time.
Xbox 360 I play probably 3 hours a day.. only because of halo 3 online.

If xbox 360 didnt have online I probably wouldnt be playing it at all..

Try them both.. see what you like.. *if you can*

Graphics to me is a big WHO CARES.. I dont need to be looking at a realistic person to have fun... wii tennis with my cousin is a BLAST.. and the characters look fake..

Fark Graphics... its about how much fun you have with a game.

Yes, It is about how much fun you have. Combat for the Atari 2600 is a great game, but doesn't have much if any current eye appeal on your new 1080p LCD. Graphics mean alot, and add realism, as well as intensity to the games.

To me, 360 is a console that's starting to cross the line to "wanna-be PC."

Every console video game system has been a Computer.
Simply, a computer dedicated to mainly Video Gaming.
Atari VCS Video Computer System ( rebadged.. 2600)

I have both the Wii and 360.

They serve two completely different purposes for me. For having people over and playing great 2-4 player mini games and just having fun the Wii destroys the 360. The vast majority of great games for the 360 are not the sort of thing I would play with multiple people in the same room. Plus if anyone has a Gamecube, they can play all their games on the Wii. Some of my favorite group games on the Wii are Rayman Ravin Rabbids, Sonic and Mario Olymics, and Mario Party 8. Some of my favorite 1 or 2 player games are Super Mario Galaxy, Resident Evil, Guitar Hero 3 and Surfs Up.

For me, my 360 serves a totally different purpose. When I want to play games and nobody is in the house to play with, I can get on Xbox Live and go wild. The sound and graphics are fantasic, and the first/third person shooters are unreal. I also can use Live to download HD movies to my harddrive or download some pretty fun arcade games. Plus, I can download demos of a lot of games to sample them before running out and buying them or paying for a rental.

For my gaming lifestyle I love having both. Figure out which one will fit the lifestyle of your household and go for it. You can always sell it online if you regret your choice. If you're like me, maybe you need to get one now and the other one later.


I also have both a Wii and a 360, but I find that I play the 360 about 90% of the time and really only play the Wii when I have friends over or on the rare occasions that my girlfriend wants to play a video game.

The Wii doesn't have a lot of great games, and isn't likely to get a lot over the livespan of the console. So far it's very, very much just GameCube 2.0 but with waggle. The only good games for the system are coming from Nintendo, and there aren't that many of them. Maybe 3 great titles per year.

If you're used to PC gaming then the 360 is the clear choice. Most really good PC games will get ported to the 360, and the style of play is a lot closer to the style of play on the 360.

Wii is good for kids and groups, but for solo gaming it's pretty terrible.

The 360 controller is no more complex than any controller that has come out since the Playstation's dual shock. On top of which, the Wii has just as many buttons (not counting power and home buttons) and most are placed in rather awkward places. The relative complexity has far less to do with the system itself and more to do with the games. Games made for the Wii are probably made with the intention of simplicity and ease of use to attract a wider audience. Yes, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, but that's what's going on here.

I bought a Wii last August along with 2 games, Wii Sports and I acquired a 4th a month later. The problem is that the only game I played was Wii Sports! The depth of that game is really shallow and didn't really last me very long. After about a month, I didn't even play Wii games on it anymore. I played my GameCube games on there and my older system games (PS2 and Xbox). I traded the Wii for an Xbox360 with someone on GameTZ and basically played that MORE in 2 weeks than I played any Wii game the entire 2 months I owned the Wii.

I do feel that the Wii is, more or less, a novelty which is why it's selling so much and when it comes right down to it, when I play a game, I want to relax and sit there rather than jumping around, swinging my arms and whatnot. I've just enjoyed my Xbox360 far more than my Wii.
the wii controller (not counting the nunchuk) has a dpad and 6 buttons. Out of these 6, only two (A and B) are used extensively. While the others have their roles, these two handle the brunt of the work, since they are easiest to reach. Their placement was on purpose -- to simplify the button-presses necessary. The nunchuck adds two more easy-access buttons. Again, the design of the controller makes it easy to figure out how to hold it, and most games take advantage of the 4 main buttons for any high-intensity moments, while leaving the other buttons for rarely used commands. (remember the first time you looked at an N64 controller? You were like huh? How do I hold it here and reach the buttons up there....)

I don't think you will meet anybody who will tell you that the Wii controller is as complex as other modern (starting from PS1/N64) controllers. Multiple shoulder buttons, multiple control pads....they are intimidating pieces of hardware for someone who wasn't brought up playing them. It is much easier to execute commands using gestures and single-buttons presses, something the Wii usually does, than to use a great combination of buttons. In short, the Wii's gesture system replaces complex button combos, which is far more natural for the average person.

Every console video game system has been a Computer.
Simply, a computer dedicated to mainly Video Gaming.
Atari VCS Video Computer System ( rebadged.. 2600)
This isn't what I mean. You're basically saying that a video game is a piece of electronics that outputs to a screen, like a computer, which is true. What makes them tick is the same. However, the 360 and PS3 (and even last-generation consoles) are trying to incorporate the abilities of modern-day computers into their gaming. There are complex button layouts designed to mimic a keyboard (atari 2600 didn't attempt this with their solid one button controlstick). They have large hard drives and can stream media content. Basically, when designing the console, the engineers looked at a PC and said "how can we do this in a console?" While this isn't entirely bad, Wii is different in the fact that it doesn't try to keep up with the processing power of newer computers and has a unique control scheme. Rather than pressing buttons on a control pad instead of a keyboard, it uses gestures. (yeah yeah, the pointer can act like a mouse :lol:)

I have all 3 consoles.

Wii does not have the solid 3rd party titles to hold anyone that wants to play single player games for more then maybe a month. It starts out as a fun new experience.. Everyone and your grandma (literally) wants to give it a shot. Wii sports holds your interest for a good week or 2 maybe. Then you go out and buy wii play for more fun novelty mini games, and the free wii remote. After that gets old (3-5 days) you're already craving a real game. Zelda and metroid prime 3 fill this void for a while. Then you make the mistake of buying a half ass 3rd party game. For those that don't know what a 3rd party game is, it's a game that doesn't have mario, zelda, or samus or a combination of all of them in it. Poorly crafted games with unresponsive controls await past these fun 1st party games.

360 has a lot of solid titles, granted most are first and third person shooters, but none the less are good. Online play which kicks up the replay value sometimes a million percent. The only downside to 360 is you will be spending a lot of money on additional stuff. Year of xbox live $50 second wireless controller $50, wifi adapter $99. Its a pocket raper.

ps3 ugh. UGH. All I can say is ask me again in 2009 when there's 10 games worth buying. The system its self is tight, but the titles are really really lacking atm.
shoot! I knew there was an issue I forgot in my first post.

For the 50th time, game designers aren't equally distributed across consoles. They are earned by the systems performance in the market. N64 drove away developers because of their cartridge media, and GCN's underwhelming sales didn't help keep the few that were still there. Now that the Wii is a success, designers have noticed. Of course, it was only in the last 6 months that people realized Wii wasn't a fad, and it takes over a year to develop a decent game. Hence, there aren't many good 3rd person titles out now because the only developers who had the time to put effort into a game are the few who stuck by nintendo when everyone else left. If there are still no good third party games in another 1.5 years, then you have a point.

Oh -- and MoH:Heroes is considered the best controlling FPS on the system, beating Nintendo's Metroid. So much for the control theory.

Rather than pressing buttons on a control pad instead of a keyboard, it uses gestures.

Really?
So what about Super Mario Galaxy couldn't I have done with a "normal" and "complicated" controller?
And why are the developers of Smash Brothers Brawl saying that the game is best played using a GAMECUBE CONTROLLER instead of the Wii controls?

Wii controls are limiting and poorly used in most games.
I was originally very excited about the Wii setup because I thought it could revolutionize the FPS genre, and MP3 has shown that there's potential, but the fact is that developers just aren't stepping up to the bat and developing quality titles for the Wii.

Of course, it was only in the last 6 months that people realized Wii wasn't a fad, and it takes over a year to develop a decent game.

Really?
I'm pretty sure that developers saw it as not being a fad as soon as it MASSIVELY OUTSOLD THE PS3. Developers have been working on Wii games. Developers are coming out with Wii games all the time. The problem is that they almost all suck donkey nuts.

One of my buddies works for EA and I've played a LOT of their Wii games, and almost all of them are garbage. Shoddy, scaled-down ports of old PC games like the Sims spinoffs, or new IPs like "Boogie" that are cruddy and thrown together.

Why develop good games when hordes of morons will buy utter garbage to give their kids something to play?

To put it simply, don't buy a wii if you don't like Nintendo's AAA stuff. Mario Galaxy is awesome and Smash Bros brawl is going to be huge. It's really not known what kind of 3rd party support the wii will get. A lot of companies are now on board in development for the wii but you probably won't see their offerings until mid-late next year.

Really?
So what about Super Mario Galaxy couldn't I have done with a "normal" and "complicated" controller?
And why are the developers of Smash Brothers Brawl saying that the game is best played using a GAMECUBE CONTROLLER instead of the Wii controls?

Wii controls are limiting and poorly used in most games.
I was originally very excited about the Wii setup because I thought it could revolutionize the FPS genre, and MP3 has shown that there's potential, but the fact is that developers just aren't stepping up to the bat and developing quality titles for the Wii.

I think Bonkman mentioned it, but have you checked out Medal of Honor 2? I'm not a huge FPS fan, but I found it to be alot of fun, and the controls are pretty intuitive.

Really?
I'm pretty sure that developers saw it as not being a fad as soon as it MASSIVELY OUTSOLD THE PS3. Developers have been working on Wii games. Developers are coming out with Wii games all the time. The problem is that they almost all suck donkey nuts.

One of my buddies works for EA and I've played a LOT of their Wii games, and almost all of them are garbage. Shoddy, scaled-down ports of old PC games like the Sims spinoffs, or new IPs like "Boogie" that are cruddy and thrown together.

Why develop good games when hordes of morons will buy utter garbage to give their kids something to play?

-Developers have only recently started developing more wii games
-The average AAA title takes about 1.5-2 years to develop
-The wii has only been out for a year.

-Developers have only recently started developing more wii games
-The average AAA title takes about 1.5-2 years to develop
-The wii has only been out for a year.

"Wait until next year, we'll get good games then!"

Wow, Wii fanboys are starting to sound just like PS3 fanboys...
Isn't that exactly what everyone said about the GameCube?

Isn't that exactly what everyone said about the GameCube?

Who talked about the GameCube? It was the industry's best-kept open secret :lol:

As far as development time, the length of time is usually associated with people having to design and model all of the areas in the game. We've seen some rather intuitive tech demos on the homebrew scene, so it's not like it's really difficult to program these motion games. Rather, the problem lies in the fact that most of the devs just weren't trying too hard. Just attempting to push something out ASAP. You have to swim through hoards of crap before you get to something good, just like with the GBA and DS.

Finally, it just seems wrong to promote games that aren't available as being what's going to be great, while ignoring the here and now.

Once again, total agreement with Kakomu.

We have no real evidence that game developers are going to bother trying any harder with their future games than they are with their current games, because even total travesties like "Carnival Games" still manage to sell hundreds of thousands of copies.

The reason terrible games still manage to sell well for the Wii is that so many "non-gamers" and families with kids have bought the system and they don't seem to have a clear understanding of reviews, or even of what makes a game good.

Every single gamer I know who bought a Wii, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, abandoned it within 6 months for an Xbox 360. They still all have their Wiis, but they only play them when other people come over.

360. Wii is fun every once any awhile but you really cant get into a game as you can on the 360. I love my 360 and wont change it for anything.

Also, note that much of the discussion of the Wii on SD is rarely about the game, the console or any feature thereof. Rather, it's usually about if/where it's in stock and whether or not people actually play the console. I think that's rather telling of the console.

"Wait until next year, we'll get good games then!"

Wow, Wii fanboys are starting to sound just like PS3 fanboys...
Isn't that exactly what everyone said about the GameCube?


My last 2 posts..

To put it simply, don't buy a wii if you don't like Nintendo's AAA stuff. Mario Galaxy is awesome and Smash Bros brawl is going to be huge. It's really not known what kind of 3rd party support the wii will get. A lot of companies are now on board in development for the wii but you probably won't see their offerings until mid-late next year

-Developers have only recently started developing more wii games
-The average AAA title takes about 1.5-2 years to develop
-The wii has only been out for a year.

Nowhere in there did I say or imply, "Wait until next year, we'll get good games then!" In fact I told the OP to not buy a wii for 3rd party offerings. My point is that the wii has been out for a year and that it's premature to write off 3rd party support. There are some 3rd party titles that intrigue me next year on the wii but nothing that would justify a purchase of the console.

Really?
So what about Super Mario Galaxy couldn't I have done with a "normal" and "complicated" controller?
And why are the developers of Smash Brothers Brawl saying that the game is best played using a GAMECUBE CONTROLLER instead of the Wii controls?

Wii controls are limiting and poorly used in most games.
I was originally very excited about the Wii setup because I thought it could revolutionize the FPS genre, and MP3 has shown that there's potential, but the fact is that developers just aren't stepping up to the bat and developing quality titles for the Wii.
obviously there are always going to be exceptions. I haven't played galaxy (holiday present). And the rec for Brawl is there because most people who play fighting games are accustomed to using control pads. Note that brawl has completely customized controls, so it will let people do whatever they end up liking best. How about we wait and see what people use for that one?

And again, whether or not a developer USES it properly is up to them. After all, even with a keyboard, the developer COULD choose to make x+y+e be the crouch command if they wanted. The potential is there, however.

Really?
I'm pretty sure that developers saw it as not being a fad as soon as it MASSIVELY OUTSOLD THE PS3. Developers have been working on Wii games. Developers are coming out with Wii games all the time. The problem is that they almost all suck donkey nuts.

One of my buddies works for EA and I've played a LOT of their Wii games, and almost all of them are garbage. Shoddy, scaled-down ports of old PC games like the Sims spinoffs, or new IPs like "Boogie" that are cruddy and thrown together.

Why develop good games when hordes of morons will buy utter garbage to give their kids something to play?
nope :shake: you're wrong. :dontknow: But you're correct on the fact that its easier to make a crappy game than it is a good game, and if people will buy it just the same, why put in the effort? Eventually, 3rd parties will break the mold and have well-controlled, quality games. Will there be crappy ones too? Of course. No game library is perfect. But there will be more good games -- they just take time to make. And again, GCN never had any real 3rd party support, due to everyone abandoning nintendo during n64 for PS1.

Also, note that much of the discussion of the Wii on SD is rarely about the game, the console or any feature thereof. Rather, it's usually about if/where it's in stock and whether or not people actually play the console. I think that's rather telling of the console.
telling...that it sells well? :lol: We're all starting to sound like movie snobs, only about video games. "You can't like Zoolander. Watch Citizen Kane instead." vs "How dare you enjoy elebits or Zack and Wiki. You need to play Halo." And I can't wait for "don't buy the Wii. It has a fitness game you can purchase to do workouts, which everyone knows no REAL gamer would ever like. Don't support it by association."

Also, note that much of the discussion of the Wii on SD is rarely about the game, the console or any feature thereof. Rather, it's usually about if/where it's in stock and whether or not people actually play the console. I think that's rather telling of the console.

How surprising is that really considering how well it's selling? If there were 360 or PS3 shortages people would be posting about supply and stock. How many of the posts about the 360 are RRoD related? What does that tell you?

Interestingly most of the people that discuss whether or not the console is being played are the same people that piss and moan about how awful it is. I think it's rather telling of people's obsession with bad mouthing something they don't, for little conceivable reason, like. This type obsession seems to ferment in the ether of the internet.

How surprising is that really considering how well it's selling? If there were 360 or PS3 shortages people would be posting about supply and stock. How many of the posts about the 360 are RRoD related? What does that tell you?
How well it's selling, but not how fun the console is.

I think it's rather telling of people's obsession with bad mouthing something they don't, for little conceivable reason, like. This type obsession seems to ferment in the ether of the internet.

If I wait around a store 30 minutes before it opens, drop $250 on a console and about $100 more on a second controller and a pair of games, I think I have more than "little conceivable reason" to get pissed of that the games sucked total ass.

Eventually, 3rd parties will break the mold and have well-controlled, quality games. Will there be crappy ones too? Of course. No game library is perfect. But there will be more good games -- they just take time to make. And again, GCN never had any real 3rd party support, due to everyone abandoning nintendo during n64 for PS1.

What moronic logic.
Because people didn't develop for the N64 they couldn't develop for the GCN?
How does that make any damn sense?
Developers ignored the GCN because Nintendo made life difficult for them and because the user base for the GCN was mostly kids and people who only wanted games with Mario in them.

There is absolutely NO indication that the Wii will be ANY DIFFERENT than the GCN.
A handful of AAA Nintendo titles, and then ports and crap.
Only this time the Wii won't even get most of the ports since it can't handle the games that run on the PS3 and 360.
Right now there are fewer good games on the horizon for the Wii than there are for the PS3, and almost all of them are made by Nintendo. SSBB, Mario Kart Wii, and that's about it.

But yeah, go ahead and keep saying "OH IT WILL GET BEST GAMES IN FYOOTURE THIS IS ASSURED I HAVE SEEN IT IN THE STARZ" without any basis in reality.


Interestingly most of the people that discuss whether or not the console is being played are the same people that piss and moan about how awful it is. I think it's rather telling of people's obsession with bad mouthing something they don't, for little conceivable reason, like. This type obsession seems to ferment in the ether of the internet.

I bought into the hype and was horribly disappointed.
If there had been other voices out there saying "Wait a minute, the Wii isn't actually that much fun." I probably wouldn't have been suckered in so quickly.
With all the raving about the Wii it seems like it has universal love, even though it doesn't. I think it's important that users who DON'T like the Wii have their say as well so that people can make educated decisions instead of buying something based on hype.

If I wait around a store 30 minutes before it opens, drop $250 on a console and about $100 more on a second controller and a pair of games, I think I have more than "little conceivable reason" to get pissed of that the games sucked total ass.

Notice I said most people, so as not wrongly include you. :) So you don't like any of the games? I of course do like several of the games, but I understand that you and I may have different tastes.

The good news for you is that people are clamoring to buy a Wii so if you haven't already sold yours you could probably turn a nice profit on resale. That is if you didn't smash it up in disgust and anger. ;)

For the record, nobody is saying that the Wii doesn't have ANY good games. There are definitely a few great titles for the Wii.

The problem is that even though there are tons of games for the Wii there aren't very many good ones, and it doesn't look like there are all that many good ones coming in the future.

Notice I said most people, so as not wrongly include you. :) So you don't like any of the games? I of course do like several of the games, but I understand that you and I may have different tastes.

The good news for you is that people are clamoring to buy a Wii so if you haven't already sold yours you could probably turn a nice profit on resale. That is if you didn't smash it up in disgust and anger. ;)

I already traded my Wii to someone for an Xbox 360 (which was modded). I've since traded the modded 360 for enough cash to buy a new one with HDMI.

As far as the games are concerned. I liked the baseball game, but soon grew tired of it as there's no depth, the games are 3 innings long and all you do is bat and pitch...I wouldn't even consider the pitching to be pitching as it seems as though there's little control over how fast the ball goes or what direction it goes. The tennis game was OK, but I've swung with my character not swinging too many times, or I've not swung and my character lunges forward causing me to miss a ball...

Other than that, it seems as though a lot of games just require you to hold your arm out and point at the TV...which gets very tiring very easily.

What moronic logic.
Because people didn't develop for the N64 they couldn't develop for the GCN?
How does that make any damn sense?
Developers ignored the GCN because Nintendo made life difficult for them and because the user base for the GCN was mostly kids and people who only wanted games with Mario in them.

There is absolutely NO indication that the Wii will be ANY DIFFERENT than the GCN.
A handful of AAA Nintendo titles, and then ports and crap.
Only this time the Wii won't even get most of the ports since it can't handle the games that run on the PS3 and 360.
Right now there are fewer good games on the horizon for the Wii than there are for the PS3, and almost all of them are made by Nintendo. SSBB, Mario Kart Wii, and that's about it.

But yeah, go ahead and keep saying "OH IT WILL GET BEST GAMES IN FYOOTURE THIS IS ASSURED I HAVE SEEN IT IN THE STARZ" without any basis in reality.


No where did he say developers can't make games for the GCN. I think he's saying developers were hesitant to make games for it since the N64 was not as popular as the PS1. Remember, they are out there to make money.

You can't deny that games are going to get better in the future. It is a reality--it happened for every single system made. They don't get worst, that's for sure.

For the record, nobody is saying that the Wii doesn't have ANY good games. There are definitely a few great titles for the Wii.

The problem is that even though there are tons of games for the Wii there aren't very many good ones, and it doesn't look like there are all that many good ones coming in the future.

I totally get that. There are some pretty flat offerings out there. Maybe I've been lucky, but the only game I've purchased that I haven't cared for so far is Madden 08. The controls are cooler in theory than in practice.

I also understand, given Nintendo's track record with developers, why some people are incredulous about upcoming 3rd party support. Having said that, alot of people freak out when someone modestly suggests that we wait a while before totally writing the idea of quality 3rd party support off. That really drives me bonkers.

On a side note, I've always dug your avatar. :D

You can't deny that games are going to get better in the future. It is a reality--it happened for every single system made. They don't get worst, that's for sure.

Better than piss-poor is still bad.

Better than piss-poor is still bad.

How is that a valid argument? You can say that for every other console. Not all Wii 3rd party games are "piss-poor."

How is that a valid argument? You can say that for every other console. Not all Wii 3rd party games are "piss-poor."

http://www.metacritic.com/games/wii/scores/

http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/scores/

http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/

You can't deny that games are going to get better in the future. It is a reality--it happened for every single system made. They don't get worst, that's for sure.

It's a trend, but it's not guaranteed. Even then, I feel that many systems stagnate with one or two games being better than the crop, but most remaining the same.

What moronic logic.
Because people didn't develop for the N64 they couldn't develop for the GCN?
How does that make any damn sense?
Developers ignored the GCN because Nintendo made life difficult for them and because the user base for the GCN was mostly kids and people who only wanted games with Mario in them.

There is absolutely NO indication that the Wii will be ANY DIFFERENT than the GCN.
A handful of AAA Nintendo titles, and then ports and crap.
Only this time the Wii won't even get most of the ports since it can't handle the games that run on the PS3 and 360.
Right now there are fewer good games on the horizon for the Wii than there are for the PS3, and almost all of them are made by Nintendo. SSBB, Mario Kart Wii, and that's about it.

But yeah, go ahead and keep saying "OH IT WILL GET BEST GAMES IN FYOOTURE THIS IS ASSURED I HAVE SEEN IT IN THE STARZ" without any basis in reality.


And you're making the assumption that the business world gives people a fresh start with every new console. That's not how it works. Businesses don't have short memories. Here's the scenario: You're a developer who quit making games for nintendo's N64 to make stuff exclusively for playstation. You make a good amount of money and have a decent following. Then, the new generation of consoles are unveiled. People are crazed over this new PS2 they hear about, curious about this DVD thing. The screen shots look amazing. There's also a buzz about this new player, the Xbox, which also uses DVDs and has a neato hard drive. However, not too many people are talking about game cube. What do you do? You certainly don't say "hey, let's start making stuff for the GCN even though we don't have much of a history and nobody's talking about it." You make games for PS2. Perhaps if GCN sells well, you will start developing for it as well. At the beginning, however, you stick to what the market and your past dictate.

This is what happened going into the Wii. Developers basically said "hey look! Nintendo's got a new system. Isn't that cute. Back to making my Xbox games." It's not that they COULDNT make games for it. It's just that it would have been a big risk business-wisie. When the Wii flew off the shelves, they thought "maybe it's just a fad." When it still flew off the shelves in the summer, they took notice. Since some had old games lying around that could run on the Wii, they sent them out to market, since throwing on some Wii controls isn't too difficult, and some sucker was sure to buy it. However, some have started to actually take the time and make a game. We'll see them next year, at the earliest. Will they be good? I can't tell you that, nor have I. What I have said is there's not much of a possibility that a developer could throw together a great game in the 5 or 6 months since they took notice of the Wii. Hence, it's not surprising that the current 3rd party games are mostly sub-par.

The indication that the Wii's future will be different from the GCN is that developers have said they're excited to make games for it and that the Wii has already sold more in its first year than GCN did in its first 2.5-3 (can't remember exact stats). True, it's not a guarantee, but it is an indication, and that's all you asked for. :)



I bought into the hype and was horribly disappointed.
If there had been other voices out there saying "Wait a minute, the Wii isn't actually that much fun." I probably wouldn't have been suckered in so quickly.
With all the raving about the Wii it seems like it has universal love, even though it doesn't. I think it's important that users who DON'T like the Wii have their say as well so that people can make educated decisions instead of buying something based on hype.

caveat emptor :dontknow:

Then stop complaining about people complaining about the Wii, Bonkguy.

If you like having a system that costs just as much as the other ones (after you tack on their absurdly expensive controllers) and has only a handful of games that get decent reviews that's fine by me, but stop complaining when people try to warn others about the Wii's lack of quality games.

Then stop complaining about people complaining about the Wii, Bonkguy.

If you like having a system that costs just as much as the other ones (after you tack on their absurdly expensive controllers) and has only a handful of games that get decent reviews that's fine by me, but stop complaining when people try to warn others about the Wii's lack of quality games.
Wii controllers are in the same price range as controllers for the other systems. :dontknow: Assuming that you're buying the same amount of controllers, you're not going to make up the price difference here.

People can complain about whatever they want. And if they complain, they can darn well expect people to answer back their complaints. Especially when they are as illogical as most complaints are. I don't mind complainers. I dislike complainers who don't have a sense of what they're talking about. Of course, that turns out to be a lot of the complainers by some weird twist of fate.

Wii controllers are in the same price range as controllers for the other systems. :dontknow: Assuming that you're buying the same amount of controllers, you're not going to make up the price difference here.

People can complain about whatever they want. And if they complain, they can darn well expect people to answer back their complaints. Especially when they are as illogical as most complaints are. I don't mind complainers. I dislike complainers who don't have a sense of what they're talking about.


I OWN A F*CKING Wii.
I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
With very few exceptions THE GAMES ARE TOTAL ASS.
Your response for that is just to totally ignore the statement and say "HURR GOOD GAMES IN FUTURE"
Who's being illogical here, Bonkfella?

As far as the controllers are concerned, it's easy to find 360 controllers on sale for around $30-$40, or to just buy knock-offs from other companies.
Wii controllers almost never go on sale, and there aren't any knock-off Wii controllers available.

Especially when they are as illogical as most complaints are.

"The games suck" isn't exactly an illogical complaint.

I think it really depends on your own preference. Some previous Wii owners have stated that the console is "gimmicky" and the novelty tends to wear thin after a while. However, there are many who swear by it and greatly enjoy the "fun for the entire family" aspect of it.

If you're really into gaming or even just traditional gaming, then I'd say to stick with the 360. As far as graphics, the Wii is a step back from even the original Xbox standards with many of those family-friendly games. Personally, I've played the Wii at my friend's house. He got it for his daughter. With the golf, tennis, and bowling games, he and his daughter (and their friends) have a good time. I thought it was fun too. However, I can imagine that if I was playing the Wii games alone, it would be quite boring. But, that's just me.

My thoughts exactly! I have both. My son has the Wii in his room. I'm an XBox 360 man myself. The Wii's new controllers and being active was cool... for a few days. But if you really want to get involved in some games, then go with the XBox 360. Both systems are very different and offer very different things. You really need to decide what suits YOU the best.

I OWN A F*CKING Wii.
I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
With very few exceptions THE GAMES ARE TOTAL ASS.
Your response for that is just to totally ignore the statement and say "HURR GOOD GAMES IN FUTURE"
Who's being illogical here, Bonkfella?

As far as the controllers are concerned, it's easy to find 360 controllers on sale for around $30-$40, or to just buy knock-offs from other companies.
Wii controllers almost never go on sale, and there aren't any knock-off Wii controllers available.

Well if you're counting sales.....:rolleyes:

"The games suck" isn't exactly an illogical complaint.

The complaint of "the games suck" isn't itself illogical. What IS illogical is not making valid comparisons. The better question is "are Wii games worse after one year than the consoles I'm not complaining about?" After one year, the 360 had Gears (maybe a few lesser titles, too). After one year, PS3 has Assassains, Drakes, Oblivion, and Resistance. After one year, Wii has Galaxy, Metroid, Zelda, and Z&W. I can't remember last generation's one year marks. Galaxy and Gears were absolute must-haves. I'm not sure such an app exists on the PS3 yet. (yes, there are good games -- I just listed them.)

My point is -- OF COURSE MOST OF THE GAMES SUCK! YOURE AN EARLY ADOPTER! :lol:

http://www.metacritic.com/games/wii/scores/

http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/scores/

http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/

Is there a point to this post?

It's a trend, but it's not guaranteed. Even then, I feel that many systems stagnate with one or two games being better than the crop, but most remaining the same.

It can very well be a guarantee. Name me a system that comes out with worse and worse games as time progress. I agree with you that some systems can become stagnate because developers stop believing in them, but then again there are some that continues to progress (example, PS2 and Odin Sphere).

Going home for the day, try not to take things too personal people.

Is there a point to this post?

Did you bother following the links?
Compare the number of titles that have scores of 75/100 or above for each system.


Wii: 25
PS3: 53
360: 134

No matter how much you complain about the 360's head start, it has more than 5 times as many well-ranked games as the Wii. Even the PS3, which was launched at almost exactly the same time, has MORE THAN TWICE AS MANY.

Before you complain and say "BAWWWWW REVIEWERS HATE T3H WII!!!!" please note that the Wii has the single highest-ranked game of any system.

Before you complain and say "BAWWWWWWW REVIEWERS DON'T KNOW NOTHING!!!!" please note that these people do this for a living and know a hell of a lot more about video games than you do.



My point is -- OF COURSE MOST OF THE GAMES SUCK! YOURE AN EARLY ADOPTER! :lol:

PS3 owners are all "early adopters" as well, yet they have twice as many "good" games.

Before you complain and say "BAWWWWW REVIEWERS HATE T3H WII!!!!" please note that the Wii has the single highest-ranked game of any system.

Before you complain and say "BAWWWWWWW REVIEWERS DON'T KNOW NOTHING!!!!" please note that these people do this for a living and know a hell of a lot more about video games than you do.


:lol: When did I ever complain about anything in this thread? I was just trying to make some points and counterpoints. It's exactly the same thing you're in here to do? Calm down with the caps--it made it like you got your panties all up in a bunch. :lol: Ok, last post for real. Good night!

Did you bother following the links?
Compare the number of titles that have scores of 75/100 or above for each system.


Wii: 25
PS3: 53
360: 134

No matter how much you complain about the 360's head start, it has more than 5 times as many well-ranked games as the Wii. Even the PS3, which was launched at almost exactly the same time, has MORE THAN TWICE AS MANY.

Before you complain and say "BAWWWWW REVIEWERS HATE T3H WII!!!!" please note that the Wii has the single highest-ranked game of any system.

Before you complain and say "BAWWWWWWW REVIEWERS DON'T KNOW NOTHING!!!!" please note that these people do this for a living and know a hell of a lot more about video games than you do.





PS3 owners are all "early adopters" as well, yet they have twice as many "good" games.
"good" according to reviewers who have played video games their whole lives. Not the people who are getting a kick out of Mario Party 8 and Carnival Games. :dontknow:

The average PS3 game is made for traditional video gamers. The average Wii game is made for families. Will this change? Probably not. Does it explain a difference in rankings? Perhaps.

What is the PS3's analog of Gears or Galaxy?

"good" according to reviewers who have played video games their whole lives. Not the people who are getting a kick out of Mario Party 8 and Carnival Games. :dontknow:

The average PS3 game is made for traditional video gamers. The average Wii game is made for families. Will this change? Probably not. Does it explain a difference in rankings? Perhaps.


So basically your argument is that Wii games suck, but that's OK because Wii owners want to play sucky games?
Just because someone enjoys something doesn't mean it's GOOD. Some people enjoy having other people urinate on them. Does that make it good?


What is the PS3's analog of Gears or Galaxy?

Probably Rachet & Clank I guess? Hard to tell.

PS3 owners are all "early adopters" as well, yet they have twice as many "good" games.

Most developers had already put their resources into PS3 development well before the system was released.

Most developers had already put their resources into PS3 development well before the system was released.

How does that change the fact that Wii games now are bad, and are likely to continue being bad in the future?

Based on the currently available titles the Wii is the worst possible choice.

So basically your argument is that Wii games suck, but that's OK because Wii owners want to play sucky games?
Just because someone enjoys something doesn't mean it's GOOD. Some people enjoy having other people urinate on them. Does that make it good?




Probably Rachet & Clank I guess? Hard to tell.
sigh. for one thing, we'd have to make sure that the metacritic ratings are even comparable. Normally, this involves some form of normalization. Let's ignore that, however. You're arguing that "good" is objective, which is one of the most preposterous statements I've ever heard.

How does that change the fact that Wii games now are bad, and are likely to continue being bad in the future?

Based on the currently available titles the Wii is the worst possible choice.
THIS is a truly stupid statement. What are you basing that extrapolation on? Just because you were angry today doesn't mean you'll be angry every day in the future.

Not to mention, Wii has the overall best game (Galaxy). Also has more games over 90. Not too many people buy 20 or 50 games off the bat. Hence, maybe it's the BEST possible choice...? :scratchh:

How does that change the fact that Wii games now are bad, and are likely to continue being bad in the future?

Based on the currently available titles the Wii is the worst possible choice.

Simple, with the wii doing so well in console sales, developers will devote more resources into development for the wii. Will 3rd parties put all their resources into the wii? I doubt it, but there's going to be increasing support. It's more likely that the wii will get better rather than just all of a sudden plunge into nonexistence.

the best console at this time is the 360, in the future it will be the ps3 maybe BUT we dont live in the future, we are living right now so get the 360 right now and enjoy it until another console takes the top place, simple as that.

have you tried mario or buying a wii zapper and any shooting game like Resident Evil or Medal of Honor, then tell me what you think.

the wii is going to be fun for a few years to come.

That's fine that you think that. However, as my post stated, I'm just going with actual Wii owners who ended up returning their Wii's, trading it in, or just not using it anymore.

The bottom line though is that I specifically said that it's subjective and dependent on individual preference.

sigh. for one thing, we'd have to make sure that the metacritic ratings are even comparable. Normally, this involves some form of normalization. Let's ignore that, however. You're arguing that "good" is objective, which is one of the most preposterous statements I've ever heard.

If everything is subjective why bother with reviews of anything?
I'm not saying that reviews are the end-all, but something like Metacritic that compiles all the available reviews to give a meta score is actually a very good way of determining how "good" something is and how likely you are to enjoy it.



Not to mention, Wii has the overall best game (Galaxy). Also has more games over 90. Not too many people buy 20 or 50 games off the bat. Hence, maybe it's the BEST possible choice...? :scratchh:

360 has the most games over 90.
10, compared to the Wii's 3.
And if you're talking about the PS3, I don't know about you, but I'd rather have the average game be good than have 1 or 2 excellent games and a lot of junk.

Wii remains the worst choice.

If everything is subjective why bother with reviews of anything?
I'm not saying that reviews are the end-all, but something like Metacritic that compiles all the available reviews to give a meta score is actually a very good way of determining how "good" something is and how likely you are to enjoy it.





360 has the most games over 90.
10, compared to the Wii's 3.
And if you're talking about the PS3, I don't know about you, but I'd rather have the average game be good than have 1 or 2 excellent games and a lot of junk.

Wii remains the worst choice.
because people like having opinions made for them. Ever enjoy a movie that Ebert gave a thumbs down to? Ever skip a movie that Ebert liked because it didn't sound like "your thing." Heck, reviewers don't often agree. What one person thinks is good is another's trash. Reviews are there because they make money, since people like to hear others' opinions about stuff. More truthfully, people will read them because they're a source of more info on the game. While one reviewer will take major points off for graphical capabilities, another person might love it because of the multiplayer with their friends. Just like a movie reviewer will pan a Sandler movie cause of all the fart/sex jokes and a highschooler will think it's one of the funniest movies he's ever seen.

And again, another apples to oranges comparison, as the 360 has been out significantly longer than the Wii. It better have more highly rated games, as it has more games period. Anyway, why would you rather buy an average "good" game than an excellent game? You can avoid the junk no problem.

Wii sucks, get over it, at least it was cheap!

I owned it, and sold it...I play cell phone games more than I did my wii

Anyway, why would you rather buy an average "good" game than an excellent game? You can avoid the junk no problem.

I like playing video games.
I would prefer to be able to choose from a wide library of "good" games than to have only a very small number of excellent games and nothing else.

Would you rather be able to
1) pick 10 out of a list of 50 good things
2) get 3 great things

At least with the PS3 there are options depending on what kind of games you like.
With the Wii I hope you like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid, because there isn't anything else.

Also, note that much of the discussion of the Wii on SD is rarely about the game, the console or any feature thereof. Rather, it's usually about if/where it's in stock and whether or not people actually play the console. I think that's rather telling of the console.

I think it's interesting how you can make this statement, but defend the RRoD issue despite all those threads.

To Jacksonspritt: I'm trying to understand your take on the wii here - you say it's the worst choice to buy currently... I agree. It's overhyped and impossible to find. But I fail to understand (and yes I read through all 2 pages of your 'BAWWW' mis-quoting) why you think it won't have good games. Even the GC got RE4 near the end of it's life.

Then again, I would rather have 1 or 2 excellent games vs. the average game being good, so we may not see eye to eye there.

I like playing video games.
I would prefer to be able to choose from a wide library of "good" games than to have only a very small number of excellent games and nothing else.

Would you rather be able to
1) pick 10 out of a list of 50 good things
2) get 3 great things

At least with the PS3 there are options depending on what kind of games you like.
With the Wii I hope you like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid, because there isn't anything else.
fair enough -- as I've said, to each their own. I happen to like excellency. I also don't mind replaying games while waiting for more excellent games. Contrary to your belief, I'm eager to pick up Zack & Wiki, MoH:Heroes, and RE4 (which I missed the first time around). 6 solid games last a long time. Of course, it's possible that I have less free time for video games than you do. :dontknow:

fair enough -- as I've said, to each their own. I happen to like excellency. I also don't mind replaying games while waiting for more excellent games. Contrary to your belief, I'm eager to pick up Zack & Wiki, MoH:Heroes, and RE4 (which I missed the first time around). 6 solid games last a long time. Of course, it's possible that I have less free time for video games than you do. :dontknow:

Good luck finding Zack and Wiki...It's an awesome game though. The boss fights were especially enjoyable.

Good luck finding Zack and Wiki...It's an awesome game though. The boss fights were especially enjoyable.
is it sold out? I haven't even tried to buy it yet. Did IGN's campaign pay off? :lol:

is it sold out? I haven't even tried to buy it yet. Did IGN's campaign pay off? :lol:

No..Capcom printed very few copies of the game. That's why they're hard to find. It might become a collectors item in the future though

No..Capcom printed very few copies of the game. That's why they're hard to find. It might become a collectors item in the future though
sonofab!tch. :lol: Thanks for the heads up. I'll try to snag it next time I see it.

EDIT: once Amazon stops carrying it, I'll worry. Thanks again, though! I didn't know that at all. I wonder if they'll print more if it sells well.

I think it's interesting how you can make this statement, but defend the RRoD issue despite all those threads.

To Jacksonspritt: I'm trying to understand your take on the wii here - you say it's the worst choice to buy currently... I agree. It's overhyped and impossible to find. But I fail to understand (and yes I read through all 2 pages of your 'BAWWW' mis-quoting) why you think it won't have good games. Even the GC got RE4 near the end of it's life.

Then again, I would rather have 1 or 2 excellent games vs. the average game being good, so we may not see eye to eye there.


I'm not saying it won't have any good games, I'm just saying that the average game for the system will be TERRIBLE, and that over the lifetime of the console it's likely to have far fewer AAA titles than the other two.

The biggest problem with the Wii is that you miss out on all cross-console offerings, and when you DO get them they're horribly mangled versions of the original. Beyond that, most of the AAA titles for the Wii are going to make little-to-no use of the motion controls, defeating the whole point of the console.

It's not like the PS3 and 360 aren't going to have excellent games. They already do, in fact. The issue is that so far it looks like this is going to be a repeat of the GameCube, where Nintendo's games are great, and everything else stinks. Nintendo can't (and won't) make enough good games to really satisfy anyone, and since their online stinks the replay value of most of their titles is very low.

Not sure what else there is to say about it.
I guess if you thought the GCN was a good buy, go for it.
But personally I didn't bother with the GCN last gen because there weren't enough good games for it.

we should place a bet :lol:

I'm not saying it won't have any good games, I'm just saying that the average game for the system will be TERRIBLE, and that over the lifetime of the console it's likely to have far fewer AAA titles than the other two.

The biggest problem with the Wii is that you miss out on all cross-console offerings, and when you DO get them they're horribly mangled versions of the original. Beyond that, most of the AAA titles for the Wii are going to make little-to-no use of the motion controls, defeating the whole point of the console.

It's not like the PS3 and 360 aren't going to have excellent games. They already do, in fact. The issue is that so far it looks like this is going to be a repeat of the GameCube, where Nintendo's games are great, and everything else stinks. Nintendo can't (and won't) make enough good games to really satisfy anyone, and since their online stinks the replay value of most of their titles is very low.

Not sure what else there is to say about it.
I guess if you thought the GCN was a good buy, go for it.
But personally I didn't bother with the GCN last gen because there weren't enough good games for it.

See, I understand where you're coming from now that you've explained yourself. When you said

"How does that change the fact that Wii games now are bad, and are likely to continue being bad in the future?"

you are generalizing, almost mis-informing. You like a wide selection, but before you explained that I was not agreeing with your stance.

Case in point, for every system I've owned I've only had like.. 3-4 games. All of which I loved - GCN i had soul calibur, smash bros, ikaruga, re4 and mario party.

I think it's interesting how you can make this statement, but defend the RRoD issue despite all those threads.
My defense on the issue is the fallacy of the whole 33% statistic. Other than that, I've not held any real opinion.

Case in point, for every system I've owned I've only had like.. 3-4 games. All of which I loved - GCN i had soul calibur, smash bros, ikaruga, re4 and mario party.

If you're content with 3-4 games per system then that's fine, however most people aren't.
The Wii will definitely have a handfull of A+ titles. Here's a list off the top of my head:

Wii Sports
Zelda: Twilight Princess
Metroid Prime 3
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Bros Brawl
Mario Kart Wii

Those games are all guaranteed to be good, and will only be available on the Nintendo Wii. If that's enough for you, then by all means enjoy your Wii!
For me, however, that isn't enough. I'm not so in love with any of those games that I don't want to play other games, and it annoys me that the Wii isn't living up to a lot of the hype and promise that surrounded the system at its inception.

And as a last note, I'd like to point out that Soul Calibur for the Xbox was better than Soul Calibur for the GCN. With the exception of RE4 the GCN generally didn't have the best version of any cross-platform game. Now that the Wii is so underpowered in comparison with the other Next-Gen consoles that problem is only going to get worse.

Well, I am thinking of getting a console to play video games [especially since my laptop cannot handle any new games,really, and I would have to build a whole new gaming computer for 1000$. ]
So the PS3 is out of the question for me, and it comes to the Wii and 360

This is what i have listed

Wii
Fun for the Family
Free online play
Cool controller
Not so many good games
Hopefully, good games to come
Cheap, compared to the other consoles

XBOX 360
Great line of games
Games look good
Maybe not so fun for family, especially with M rated titles
Games that I cannot run on PC, are usually available on 360
Online play costs money


That is all i can think, anyone have more reasons?
Please tell me your opinions especially if you have both or even one.

also tell me if you know there will be price cuts during time of Christmas :D

EDIT- I like mario games, fps, zelda, and games found on both consoles. I want games that would last long, last fun, and great reply value

Personally, I recommend the Wii but you do understand that I'm a bit biased because that's what I own. I also asked myself if I wanted the 360 vs the Wii and the Wii won it for me because I thought (and still do) it would be more appropriate for my family. From your list, it looks like Wii also edged out the 360 in your view.
Back in the PS2 days, I bought the PS2 because everyone I knew was buying it. That was a big mistake for me because all I could buy were sports games. Everything else seemed inappropriate if my kids were to play it or even watch me play it. Of course, none of my kids were interested in playing the sports games with me so I ended up playing my PS2 in my room while the wife and kids were downstairs doing their thing. I don't know about you, but I consider spending time with my kids far more precious than anything. I ended up playing about 10 hours per year, PER YEAR, give or take. Then, I went to visit my cousin and saw that her husband and kids were all playing GCN together and I was so jealous.
Now, we play the Wii more often, and, more importantly, we play together. Well, at least with Wii Sports, Big Brain and Mario Party 8. My wife and kids basically watched me play Zelda, and MP3 and helped me with the strategy part of it. I honestly don't think I could have finished any of those games this early without them. Now, we're doing the same thing on SMG. My son or daughter will hold remote# 2 and they often coach me. My wife loves to play the old VC games.
Also, would you believe it? My dad, my uncle, and my sister-in-law also bought the Wii after they've played it and they love it! Even my hard-core gamer friends who spend 3+ days without sleep playing video games have admitted to me that they've also bought the Wii and play it almost (ALMOST) as much as their 360. Sadly, I only know a couple of people that have the PS3 and one of them hasn't played it in about a month. He just buys the games and never even opens it. What a waste!
I hope my opinion and the opinion of others gave more information, but please, DO NOT let us tell you which one to buy. Go to a friend's house and play their Wii games and then go to another friend's house and play with their XBOX 360. Try them both out for yourself and see which one is for you.
(Wow, did I really write this much?)

I hope my opinion and the opinion of others gave more information, but please, DO NOT let us tell you which one to buy. Go to a friend's house and play their Wii games and then go to another friend's house and play with their XBOX 360. Try them both out for yourself and see which one is for you.


I totally agree here. Our arguments are not going to make the OP's final decision. He has to find out what is best for himself and then make the final move. This shouldn't be as hard as it looks. The Wii and 360 are two completely different consoles. Now deciding between a PS3 and 360..that's a whole other story. :shake:

If you're content with 3-4 games per system then that's fine, however most people aren't.
The Wii will definitely have a handfull of A+ titles. Here's a list off the top of my head:

Wii Sports
Zelda: Twilight Princess
Metroid Prime 3
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Bros Brawl
Mario Kart Wii

This is interesting. You just named 6 "must have" titles for the Wii (though Wii Sports is more of a bonus game than a must have in my opinion) that are out now or will be out within 1.5 years of the system's release. That's already double the "only 3 good games" you mentioned in your post. And make no mistake, the 5 games besides Wii Sports either are or will be 90+ rated games on MetaCritic and are all exclusive titles besides Zelda, which is only available on GCN and Wii, making it more or less exclusive.

XBOX360 has been out for more than 1.5 years already. Let's have a look at it's console exclusive 90+ rated games:

Bioshock
Orange Box (for now, about to be non-exclusive)
Gears of War
Halo 3
Mass Effect
Tom Clancy's GRAW
Forza Motorsport 2

I count 7 games that are exclusive on the console. If you own a gaming PC, only 4 are exclusive since Gears, Bioshock and Orange Box are all available on the PC.

Now let's look at the direct compare timeline-wise, the PS3:

*crickets*

Not a single f***ing exclusive title rated above 90 on MetaCritic, though a few were close (Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance; NG Sigma doesn't count since it's a rebadge of the XB game). And if want to bring "close" games into discussion, you can add a title or two for the Wii as well.

Yes, there are some quality 3rd party titles for the XB360 and PS3 you can't get on Wii. But some of those can be purchased for a gaming PC (or in the case of Rock Band, a previous generation system). So that argument doesn't completely stand on its own either.

Disclaimer: I am not trying to say there aren't any good games for PS3, nor am I accusing the XB360 or PS3 of having terrible game libraries. I am making a point here to someone who is contradicting himself with his own argument.

I'll keep my opinion basic and simple.

Softcore gamer? Wii. You can have fun without major time investment.. and capital investment. Everything about it is cheaper. I play mine about 3-4 hours a week. Great fun at parties.

Hardcore gamer? Xbox360. Better online play. More suited for the 4 hour + /week gamer. More wow factor.

I'm more of a PC gamer... always prefered PC over any console and still do. But the Wii fills that gap for when friends are over or when I feel like hanging on the couch.

Wii is a pretty brutal system...graphic wise. It just looks bad. If you have a small TV maybe you won't notice. But if you have a 40"+, it isn't much different than a gamecube. And people argue with the "oh graphics isn't as important as gameplay" bullshit. Yeah, unless they can prove to me that Wii game's gameplay are 100x better than 360/PS3 games, maybe they have a point. But they don't. On the other hand, the graphics can look 100x worse. Hah. (btw I'm exaggerating but you know what I mean)


Get past that "cool controller" factor and soon you'll find that they're unresponsive, tedious and annoying. There are "critically acclaimed" titles like Metroid, Zelda, Paper Mario...but its still bad...the only title I have interest into finishing is Galaxy, but I have no desire to play the others (probably @ 50% completion). I play Wii when people are over, but almost never by myself (mostly only to "unlock characters" for multiplayer games, which is a pain, I should just download them from gamefaqs). I guess the 2 games that I have people playing are "Mario Party 8" and Wii Play...and maybe WarioWare. Maybe. And even they aren't that great.


And Wii isn't a cheap system...to play all the party games with 4 people you'll need 3 extra controllers and 3 extra nunchuks for Strikers. Not to mention the component cable for it to look decent. On the other hand, Guitar Hero 3 and Rock Band are the party games to play on the 2 other systems. They cost a fortune too if you haven't been purchasing them (for the extra controllers and such).

I'll get SceneIt if I find a good deal for ~$40

This is interesting. You just named 6 "must have" titles for the Wii (though Wii Sports is more of a bonus game than a must have in my opinion) that are out now or will be out within 1.5 years of the system's release. That's already double the "only 3 good games" you mentioned in your post.

How am I contradicting myself?
Wii Sports gets boring after about 2 months, but I put that on the list to be nice since EVERYONE has to get it.
Beyond that only 3 of those games are currently out, the rest are coming in the future.
That makes 3 good games out for the Wii.


I totally agree with GEM on this one.
While the controller is great in games like Wii Sports and a lot of fun at first, it definitely loses its appeal the more you play. I eventually got so bored with the silly wiggling of the Wii Remote to attack in Zelda: Twilight Princess that I stopped playing the game bout 2 dungeons in. The graphics were OK and all (for the Wii) but making a dumb wiggle movement in place of a simple button push was annoying, ESPECIALLY when it wouldn't register correctly.

There are "critically acclaimed" titles like Metroid, Zelda, Paper Mario...but its still bad...the only title I have interest into finishing is Galaxy, but I have no desire to play the others (probably @ 50% completion).

Ok then, it's reviewed well but it's still "bad". Putting aside the stupidity of your statement, let's have a look at sales numbers (according to vgchartz.com):

We'll ignore Wii Sports 6.7 Millions copies sold since it's a pack-in
Wii Play -> 3 million copies sold
Mario Galaxy -> 2 weeks released, 1.1 million copies sold
Zelda: TP -> 2.1 million copies sold
Mario Party 8 -> 1.5 million copies sold
Metroid Prime 3 -> 543k copies sold
Super Paper Mario -> 835k copies sold
Mario Strikers -> 410k copies sold
WarioWare -> 755k copies sold
Rayman Raving Rabbids -> 635k copies sold

Compare vs. other system's exclusives:
Uncharted (PS3) -> 2 weeks released, 127k copies sold
MotorStorm (PS3) -> 795k copies sold and it's a pack-in
Resistance (PS3) -> 926k copies sold, half of what Zelda sold in the same time period
Heavenly Sword (PS3) -> 212k copies sold
Warhawk (PS3) -> 167k copies sold
According to vgchartz.com, PS3 has yet to achieve a million seller game, exclusive or not

Halo 3 (360) -> 4.1 million copies sold
Mass Effect (360) -> 1 week released, 193k copies sold
Gears of War (360) -> 3 million copies sold
Saints Row (360) -> 921k copies sold
Lost Planet (360) -> 801k copies sold
Dead Rising (360) -> 902k copies sold
Orange Box (360) -> 359k copies sold
Bioshock (360) -> 788k copies sold
Nice sales for the XB360 exclusives. Granted, many of these games have been out a lot longer than their Wii counterparts.

So by critical acclaim, the Wii's exclusives compare favorably to the XB360 and stomp the PS3. By sales numbers, they completely and utterly ravage the PS3; they lag the XB360, but it also had a 1+ year jump on the Wii in software and sales time.

All this proves it what we should already know: the arguments against the Wii are sour grapes from people who didn't care for the experience and generally dislike Nintendo's software. And that's fine, just like all gaming devices, the Wii won't appeal to everyone. In fact, I'm guessing the people on this forum are not the general target market for the Wii at all. What makes it even more puzzling is many of the Wii opponents say they hate Nintendo's software, but bought a Wii anyway. Care to explain that move?!?.

The Wii has been a critical and commercial success from a hardware AND software standpoint and the numbers support that statement (unlike "I don't like it"). I could care less if the "hardcore gamers" on the forum dislike the Wii. But it's easy to disprove nonsense like "nobody likes the games" or "there's propotionately less good games" or "everyone buys the Wii and never plays it or buys games for it". The Wii stacks up fine in every one of these categories. Just because you don't like it means nothing (other than you were stupid for buying a Wii, since you "hate Nintendo's kiddie software").

Congrats on getting your a** handed to you on a platter. You can now continue saying I'm wrong because "you don't like it".

Ok then, it's reviewed well but it's still "bad". Putting aside the stupidity of your statement, let's have a look at sales numbers (according to vgchartz.com)

<edit>bunch of text</edit> What makes it even more puzzling is many of the Wii opponents say they hate Nintendo's software, but bought a Wii anyway. Care to explain that move?!?.

Congrats on getting your a** handed to you on a platter. You can now continue saying I'm wrong because "you don't like it".



:lmao:



How was that a stupid statement? I acknowledged the fact that those games had gotten great scores from reviewers around the board. I don't agree with those reviews, and therefore I said they are bad. Is it stupid to have an opinion? What kind of sheep are you? :lol:




My ass handed to me on a platter? That's pretty harsh man. Let it be known that you are the flamer that is trying argue against my own post on my own opinion on the Wii. You are the person who is saying that my opinions don't matter. I wasn't even directing that post to you, or hell, anyone in the discussion. Heck, I was just saying how I dislike Wii, and that it isn't the hype it is supposed to be. But somehow that got on your nerves? I'm confused. :lol:



In any case, let me tell you what I think. I could care less about sales figures. Sold 3 million copies on Wii Play. Great! 4.1 million on on Halo 3. Awesome! I could care less. Why would I care if some kid bought Mario Galaxy...I'm not Nintendo sales, so no, I don't care. "Shrek 2" is 3rd in US all-time box office. Do I like the movie? No. Is it the best movie ever? Hardly.



---> I don't need sales figures and critics reviews to support and express my own opinion. <---

(good rule to follow if you don't want to get all sheeped up)




Why did I buy the Wii if I didn't like it? Why, gem, why? Oh, maybe, just maybe its because I found out Wii sucks after I bought the Wii. That could be a possibility. And why can't I play like the Wii in comparison to my other consoles just because I don't like the Wii? I know a LOT of people who don't like Windows, but still uses XP. Care to explain that? :lol: In either case, I like games. I play a lot of games. Why can't I buy all 3 systems? Is there some rule that saids, hey, if I bought something, I shouldn't say bad things about it? I thought that was the reason why forums exist in the first place.




And how can you make a fair judgement the Wii if you don't have the system? I have all 3 systems. I have the 3 systems before that. Whether you agree with me or not, I think it is save to say my views on it are fair, because I have played most of the games on all 3 systems. And I never said I hated Nintendo's software. I loved Super Mario Bros Melee on the GC, and I think Galaxy is pretty cool. But there just isn't enough there for me to be playing it over, lets see, Assassin's Creed, Rock Band and Mass Effect (games that was released after Galaxy) Now my question to you is, do you have a Wii, a 360 and a PS3?










Just because you don't like it means nothing (other than you were stupid for buying a Wii, since you "hate Nintendo's kiddie software").

I guess no one's opinion means anything then huh (and that we should all leave this discussion forum.) Only Nintendo sales figure mean something, right? :lol:

Ok then, it's reviewed well but it's still "bad". Putting aside the stupidity of your statement, let's have a look at sales numbers (according to vgchartz.com):

SALES FIGURES

So by critical acclaim, the Wii's exclusives compare favorably to the XB360 and stomp the PS3. By sales numbers, they completely and utterly ravage the PS3; they lag the XB360, but it also had a 1+ year jump on the Wii in software and sales time.

All this proves it what we should already know: the arguments against the Wii are sour grapes from people who didn't care for the experience and generally dislike Nintendo's software. And that's fine, just like all gaming devices, the Wii won't appeal to everyone. In fact, I'm guessing the people on this forum are not the general target market for the Wii at all. What makes it even more puzzling is many of the Wii opponents say they hate Nintendo's software, but bought a Wii anyway. Care to explain that move?!?.

The Wii has been a critical and commercial success from a hardware AND software standpoint and the numbers support that statement (unlike "I don't like it"). I could care less if the "hardcore gamers" on the forum dislike the Wii. But it's easy to disprove nonsense like "nobody likes the games" or "there's propotionately less good games" or "everyone buys the Wii and never plays it or buys games for it". The Wii stacks up fine in every one of these categories. Just because you don't like it means nothing (other than you were stupid for buying a Wii, since you "hate Nintendo's kiddie software").

Congrats on getting your a** handed to you on a platter. You can now continue saying I'm wrong because "you don't like it".


1) Sales figures do not make something good. McDonald's has sold billions more hamburgers than any other store in the history of the world. Does that mean that McDonald's hamburgers are the best in the world?

2) I generally like Nintendo. I have a DS Lite and I play it more than any other system I own. I think that most of the Nintendo titles for the Wii are pretty good. I just happen to also think that the Wii is a stinker since there aren't very many good games for the system other than the ones Nintendo has put out.



I'd also like to add that I was originally a huge PROponent of the Wii. I stood in line several hours to get one and was super excited about it for the first month or so. I even hosted several Wii parties and talked a few of my friends into buying Wiis.
Which is why it surprised me that after owning it for 5-6 months that I started to get really bored with the system. And so did all my friends. But everyone online was still raving about how great the system was and they were still impossible to buy in stores.

I don't know what to tell you. The system just gets boring.

this thread used to amuse me, but now its just painfully long.

Someone should just start poll...which fanboys are the worst?

I went a bit over the top, but reading several pages of needless Wii bashing got me good and pissed off, so I took it out on you guys. I probably have you partially mixed up with other posters in my head. My apologies for the parts that don't apply to you directly.

Someone should just start poll...which fanboys are the worst?

A better poll: how do we all manage to get so pissed off over inanimate objects? I wish I could answer that. :)

LOL @ the mods selectively deleting huge chunks of this thread.

We sure do have a lot of content Nazis as mods on here.

Meh, some of the posting was over the top (including mine). I don't blame 'em.

I still cannot find a wii.....:(

the arguments against the Wii are sour grapes from people who didn't care for the experience and generally dislike Nintendo's software.


I don't think you're using the "sour grapes" phrase correctly. If people have played the Wii and don't care for the experience "generally dislike Nintendo" then that isn't sour grapes, that's just their opinion which is just as valid as anyone elses.

Sour grapes would be if they couldn't get their hands on a Wii and haven't played it and are saying it sucks (or probably sucks).

I don't think you're using the "sour grapes" phrase correctly. If people have played the Wii and don't care for the experience "generally dislike Nintendo" then that isn't sour grapes, that's just their opinion which is just as valid as anyone elses.

Sour grapes would be if they couldn't get their hands on a Wii and haven't played it and are saying it sucks (or probably sucks).
:nod: the arguments tend to be people who extrapolate their opinion to everyone else.

This may be a repost,but doesn't the Xbox 360 have a high malfunction rate. I see a lot of people selling broken ones on Ebay due to the dreaded red light or whatever it is. I am tempted to buy a refurbished one, but I'm afraid it will crap out on me. The Wii has been pretty solid ,and has a good 15 month warranty, hard to compete with that.

SUPER 1 YEAR + BUMP FOR THE WIN!!!
Good job.

SUPER 1 YEAR + BUMP FOR THE WIN!!!
Good job.


LOL

Jacksonpritt has a post on the most recent page...that tells you how old the thread is even w/o looking at the time stamps. :lol:

:lol:

ironically, seems the only thing this "mommydearest" cares about is reselling Wiis
So...what the hell is he/she trying to accomplish in this thread....

A lot of previous posts point out the obvious. I wanted to chime in, specifically, on the "for the family" requirement.

I own both systems. I have 2 boys, 1 of which just turned old enough to start playing video games. He turned 4 on 12/02/08.

Initially I assumed my boy would have an easier time with the Wii. To test the waters I dowloaded the demo of Kung Fu Panda on my 360 to just see if he would even respond to it. Within two days he mastered the first 2 levels that were available on the XBOX 360.

This led me to the conclusion that he was ready to play video games but would likely go for the Wii version. He got the wii version as a stocking stuffer on Christmas. We played that version for about 2 hours. For a 4 year old that is practically a life time of effort.

The conclusion: He has not played the Wii version since Christmas. He still asks (everyday) to play the (FREE) demo along with the (FREE) demos of Cars, Bolt, Madagascar 2.

The Wii is fun for social parties (for adults) due to its interactivity but the 360 has all angles covered for me.

psst present, this thread is over a year old, op already prob moved on from this dilemma
Oh and for the record, i own all 3 consoles, wii hasn't been booted up since whenever SSBB released.