Aside from knowing who would grace the cover of Madden NFL 09 we could only confirm that the latest entry in the franchise was in fact based on the sport of American football. However, thanks to an in depth interview with gamer designer Phil Frazier by GameTap, there are new details regarding the 09 season.

New additions to the popular football franchise include:

* Real Football Intelligence: tracks your skill as a player and provides helpful feedback
* EA Sports Backtrack: Think instant replays meets tutorials in real time
* Online leagues are in for up to 32 players including full stats and, trading
* Player Weapons return!
* Total Animation System: Brand new animation system, go figure!
* New holographic training center
* Induction of Tom Hammond and Cris Collinsworth as the new play-by-play and color commentators
* Both the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions run at 60FPS
* Brett Farve is in the game but not on the Packers roster

Along with these details, Frazier claims the 09 season will be the biggest graphical leap in the series history. We'll have to wait and see on that one! Madden NFL 09 hits on August 12.

source (http://www.gametap.com/articles/gamefeatures/madden_nfl_09_interview-04252008)

holy carp -- there really is an all-Favre team! look at that last bullet point!

Favre Isn't Really a Madden Fan.. (http://kotaku.com/384555/brett-favre-is-not-a-madden-fan)

I'm not savvy enough to play this game. Most of the younger generation has no idea [Madden] coached...Some of our guys play Madden better than they play on Sundays. And they spend more time talking about playing Madden.

i read an article in GI about Madden and NCAA football 09 but it only applied to xbox and PS3. They are going to have one for the wii right? is it going ot be that different?

i read an article in GI about Madden and NCAA football 09 but it only applied to xbox and PS3. They are going to have one for the wii right? is it going ot be that different?

I wouldn't waste my money on it if it was out for the wii. Cross consoles games that make it to the wii have horrible controls. Look at the last madden.On another note. Looks like Vince broke the madden curse!

sweet no more madden as the color commentator

how did vince break the madden curse? He played like crap last year.
the madden curse reached its maximum this year with favre, he's not even in the league anymore!

I am really excited for this game, 08 for Wii sucked, so xbox 360 09 here I come. Also with my dish network I can watch real games as I play. :)

i read an article in GI about Madden and NCAA football 09 but it only applied to xbox and PS3. They are going to have one for the wii right? is it going ot be that different?
Madden 09 will be on Wii. I assume NCAA will as well. IGN just did a preview of Madden. It actually looks like it may be worth buying this year....

I wouldn't waste my money on it if it was out for the wii. Cross consoles games that make it to the wii have horrible controls. Look at the last madden.On another note. Looks like Vince broke the madden curse!

He didn't get a crippling injury, but he got owned on the field. Every time the media mentioned the Titans, they were blabbing about Haynesworth instead of Vince. When the QB can't get a mention over a DT, you know he's having an off year.

i read an article in GI about Madden and NCAA football 09 but it only applied to xbox and PS3. They are going to have one for the wii right? is it going ot be that different?

Yes, it's coming to the Wii. I don't expect any major differences beyond a small step down in graphics though, and the addition of motion controls. EA has a studio working on nothing but Madden 09 for the Wii, so it should hold it's own compared to the other major versions.

well im glad they got rid of the espn radio commentator...that was so boring/annyoing

Yes, it's coming to the Wii. I don't expect any major differences beyond a small step down in graphics though, and the addition of motion controls. EA has a studio working on nothing but Madden 09 for the Wii, so it should hold it's own compared to the other major versions.
Have you ever seen madden 08 for Wii compared to a 1080i xbox 360 version of Madden 08? Its like watching football in HD versus watching pokemon cartoons. A small step down in graphics is an understatement.

Have you ever seen madden 08 for Wii compared to a 1080i xbox 360 version of Madden 08? Its like watching football in HD versus watching pokemon cartoons. A small step down in graphics is an understatement.
you should see screenshots of madden 08 vs 09 for wii. It's like the game designers were at a meeting and were like "hey guys -- I think they've realized we don't try to do anything anymore...maybe we should change something?"

here is a non wii screenshot, I doubt the wii could do anything near this...

http://www.pastapadre.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/madden-09/m09cowboyshelmet.jpg

Looks like Vince broke the madden curse!

9 TDs to 17 INTs, and a 71.1 passer rating, good for 26th in the league, behind such stars as Kyle Boller, Joey Harrington and Brian Griese, and only better than 7 quarterbacks in the league.

I'd say it's still on.

here is a non wii screenshot, I doubt the wii could do anything near this...

http://www.pastapadre.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/madden-09/m09cowboyshelmet.jpg

I've seen a few tech demos that show the Wii isn't as far behind in the 360 and PS3 as you'd think. It can do some really impressive things.
The problem is that developers are still getting the hang of the system, and haven't even begun to explore just what it can do yet.
I'm sure by the end of it's life, we'll see graphics about that good, but I must concede that madden 09 won't be at quite that level.

9 TDs to 17 INTs, and a 71.1 passer rating, good for 26th in the league, behind such stars as Kyle Boller, Joey Harrington and Brian Griese, and only better than 7 quarterbacks in the league.

I'd say it's still on.

He didn't get hurt. Last 6 have had injuries if I remember correctly. Vince may have not played his best,but he is still playing.

I've seen a few tech demos that show the Wii isn't as far behind in the 360 and PS3 as you'd think. It can do some really impressive things.
The problem is that developers are still getting the hang of the system, and haven't even begun to explore just what it can do yet.
I'm sure by the end of it's life, we'll see graphics about that good, but I must concede that madden 09 won't be at quite that level.
The wii will never have graphics that close. At least not the consoles out right now. And yes,it is very far behind the 360 and ps3, 480p=1080i or p? I think not,not even close. The wii can't support HD format,doesn't have enough power. Its a gamecube remix.

Looks like Vince broke the madden curse!

He almost retired

At age 24 -- only one year into his NFL career -- Vince Young said he considered retirement.

"I really thought long and hard about it," Young said on Thursday after practice. "There was so much going on with my family. It was crazy being an NFL quarterback. It wasn't fun anymore. All of the fun was out of it. All of the excitement was gone. All I was doing was worrying about things.

The wii will never have graphics that close. At least not the consoles out right now. And yes,it is very far behind the 360 and ps3, 480p=1080i or p? I think not,not even close. The wii can't support HD format,doesn't have enough power. Its a gamecube remix.

Very few PS3 and 360 games support 1080p native. In fact all the AAA titles are run at 720p 30 fps native...

Very few PS3 and 360 games support 1080p native. In fact all the AAA titles are run at 720p 30 fps native...

Actually they run less than 720p. Halo 3 and COD:4 are both 640p IIRC.

Actually they run less than 720p. Halo 3 and COD:4 are both 640p IIRC.
I knew halo was but COD4 I had no idea. Twas a good game wish I still had time to play.

Very few PS3 and 360 games support 1080p native. In fact all the AAA titles are run at 720p 30 fps native...

720 and 1080i are basically the same,correct? What point were you dismissing that I made? Wii is no where close on the graphics and the product can not reach the levels of the other 2 period.

720 and 1080i are basically the same,correct? What point were you dismissing that I made? Wii is no where close on the graphics and the product can not reach the levels of the other 2 period.

I never said it would be there, but the Wii is much more capable than you think.
It's been proven several times that it can handle graphics at 720p, but Nintendo locked it down to 480p, to level the playing field, and to stay out of the graphics war.
No, 720p and 1080i are not the same, there are significant differences, although 720p will usually look better than 1080i.
Since these graphics are produced on the 360 and PS3 relatively early in their lifespans, it would be safe to assume that they are not maximizing the console. As such, the Wii, at the upper end of it's ability, should be able to push polygons relatively close to these systems right now.
And no, it's more than a "gamecube remix", as has been established a million times.

I never said it would be there, but the Wii is much more capable than you think.
It's been proven several times that it can handle graphics at 720p, but Nintendo locked it down to 480p, to level the playing field, and to stay out of the graphics war.
No, 720p and 1080i are not the same, there are significant differences, although 720p will usually look better than 1080i.
Since these graphics are produced on the 360 and PS3 relatively early in their lifespans, it would be safe to assume that they are not maximizing the console. As such, the Wii, at the upper end of it's ability, should be able to push polygons relatively close to these systems right now.
And no, it's more than a "gamecube remix", as has been established a million times.

Do you honestly think that if nintendo knew the wii could produce 720p graphics they would stray away from it to keep out of graphics war? LMAO :lmao: If they could put graphics close to the other systems they would blow PS3 and xbox out of the water.The resolution is the same is what I meant, I know one is progressive and one is interlaced,but that does not change the resolution of the game,just how it is displayed.And just b/c it may run a graphic at 720 does not mean it will look good. The processor can not keep the frame rate up.Thus reasoning for them to cap it at 480,best picture they can get out of it while keeping textures and frame rates decent.

720 and 1080i are basically the same,correct? What point were you dismissing that I made? Wii is no where close on the graphics and the product can not reach the levels of the other 2 period.
you realize ps2 could do 720p, right? i think 1080i too

Do you honestly think that if nintendo knew the wii could produce 720p graphics they would stray away from it to keep out of graphics war? LMAO :lmao: If they could put graphics close to the other systems they would blow PS3 and xbox out of the water.The resolution is the same is what I meant, I know one is progressive and one is interlaced,but that does not change the resolution of the game,just how it is displayed.And just b/c it may run a graphic at 720 does not mean it will look good. The processor can not keep the frame rate up.Thus reasoning for them to cap it at 480,best picture they can get out of it while keeping textures and frame rates decent.
yeah, it'd actually be smart. if you had a car that ran 200 mph and had other traits but your competition ran at 220 but had nothing else, would you accentuate your speed or your other benefits?

you realize ps2 could do 720p, right? i think 1080i too

Yep, 1080i as well. The Wii hardware is certainly capable of running at 720p. That doesn't mean the game will look as good as a 360/PS3 game because there are other factors that play into graphics, not just resolution. Case and point: above.

you realize ps2 could do 720p, right? i think 1080i too
Prob so,the xbox had the same option,and most of the time is was letterboxed. Its like playing a pc game,you crank your resolution to anything you want and it will play. Doesn't mean your system can support it though.

yeah, it'd actually be smart. if you had a car that ran 200 mph and had other traits but your competition ran at 220 but had nothing else, would you accentuate your speed or your other benefits?
No,its more like. Your car can run at 200mph,but you lock it out at 75,and push other parts of it. That would make more sense. that is what you are saying NES is doing. Which makes no sense at all. If it could bump graphics significantly to almost be on par to the other systems,it would hold the edge,as it now has graphics PLUS its orig selling points

Prob so,the xbox had the same option,and most of the time is was letterboxed. Its like playing a pc game,you crank your resolution to anything you want and it will play. Doesn't mean your system can support it though.


No,its more like. Your car can run at 200mph,but you lock it out at 75,and push other parts of it. That would make more sense. that is what you are saying NES is doing. Which makes no sense at all. If it could bump graphics significantly to almost be on par to the other systems,it would hold the edge,as it now has graphics PLUS its orig selling points
No -- the others are better, 200 vs 220. And the ones at 220 run smoothly while the one at 200 sounds like it'll blow up. However, you're right -- nintendo would rather have it run perfectly at 150 with lots of bells and whistles so that the drivers (developers) make use of the bells and whistles instead of the speed. If they focused on the speed, they'd rather drive the cars that go faster.

If it will blow up then it can't support it. Then they aren't "keeping it back" they can't do it. Bottom line.

The Wii is not a graphics powerhouse! It a tiny little dinky machine for little kids. Thats why mine sold on craigslist in 2 hours and I don't own it anymore. If you are a hardcore Madden gamer you will not even consider buying it for Wii to play online.

Why can't the Wii play GTA3????

If it will blow up then it can't support it. Then they aren't "keeping it back" they can't do it. Bottom line.

Clearly, you've never head of Nintendo's (now famous) "Blue Ocean" strategy. Read up on it, it's both fascinating (considering it's so radical), and informative, with deep repercussions for many different industries who try and apply it.

There is no reason the Wii couldn't run GTA3, but evidently Nintendo doesn't want violent games like that on the system, it would do little for them but act as a magnet for controversy.

Nintendo's Wii: An example of this strategy is the success of the Nintendo Wii and DS, which Nintendo designed to target audiences not traditionally known to play videogames. By simplifying its interface (through a touchscreen on the DS and motion controls on the Wii) and by marketing software which is designed to complement daily life rather than create escapist experiences (games such as Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Brain Training), Nintendo has managed to spark greater mainstream appeal than any previous consoles; news stories have detailed its appeal to those who have never played video games before. In addition both the Wii and the DS have faced supply issues throughout their lifetimes, forcing Nintendo to have to ramp up production rates repeatedly to try and keep up with demand for its systemsFrom Wiki

" By simplifying its interface (through a touchscreen on the DS and motion controls on the Wii)"

That is what sets them apart. Please find me a pieceof literature supporting your theory that NES willinglyholds back its ability to produce HD graphics to not compete with the other next gen systems. Its like the little kid at the park saying "I can do that!" and when someone tells him to prove it, he replies " I dont want to"

TRUEfoe actually had a good time with the first Madden game that released on Wii.
The controls were a lot of fun. You got to stiff arm people!

If it will blow up then it can't support it. Then they aren't "keeping it back" they can't do it. Bottom line.
:confused: If it can do it but it requires effort, then it can't do it? What world do you live in? :confused:

From Wiki

" By simplifying its interface (through a touchscreen on the DS and motion controls on the Wii)"

That is what sets them apart. Please find me a pieceof literature supporting your theory that NES willinglyholds back its ability to produce HD graphics to not compete with the other next gen systems. Its like the little kid at the park saying "I can do that!" and when someone tells him to prove it, he replies " I dont want to"
the tech level of the wii is superior to the PS2, which was able to output at this level late in its life. However, the entire wii focus (Blue Ocean strategy) was to not have the highest tech but to have the most fun....

The Wii is not a graphics powerhouse! It a tiny little dinky machine for little kids. Thats why mine sold on craigslist in 2 hours and I don't own it anymore. If you are a hardcore Madden gamer you will not even consider buying it for Wii to play online.

Why can't the Wii play GTA3????
if you are a hardcore madden gamer.....you have more things to worry about than what videogame console you own.

:confused: If it can do it but it requires effort, then it can't do it? What world do you live in? :confused:
What world do you live in? You are in obvious denial. I did not know there were wii fan boys,must be out of the loop. Again about the ps2?Did I not mention earlier that you could produce any resolution you wanted but it would not be stable enough to work?In order for it to produce 720p it gave up frame rate and graphics. And how is getting better graphics not more fun? Just repeat it,the wii CANT DO IT! It's not going to be able to produce HD graphics with whats under the hood in todays machine,plain and simple. There isn't enough hardware to do it. Hell its a 3rd of the size of the ps3 and xbox,did NES make a shrinking machine as well? There is no way they could have the process capability in its current machine. That was the point of this,not if it was made for fun or graphics,but if it could produce. And it can't.

And it can't.

Logic disagrees with you.

PS2 < powerful than Wii
PS2 could output 720p/1080i
--------------------------------------------
Therefore Wii could output in an HD resolution if Nintendo so desired.

Okay Bonkman, you come into a thread defending the Wii's graphics versus ps3 and 360 on Madden 09, and then you say I have something to worry about for playing Madden? Sorry you were dropped on the head as a little caveman.

Logic disagrees with you.

PS2 < powerful than Wii
PS2 could output 720p/1080i
--------------------------------------------
Therefore Wii could output in an HD resolution if Nintendo so desired.
n64 can do 1080p


You're logic doesn't make sense to compare a system produced by Sony™ and a system made by Nintendo™

n64 can do 1080p


You're logic doesn't make sense to compare a system produced by Sony™ and a system made by Nintendo™

1. Prove it
2. Why does that matter? We've been comparing Sony vs. MS vs. Nintendo this whole thread and suddenly it's a problem?? :confused:

Okay Bonkman, you come into a thread defending the Wii's graphics versus ps3 and 360 on Madden 09, and then you say I have something to worry about for playing Madden? Sorry you were dropped on the head as a little caveman.
if you're a hardcore madden gamer, you should probably start hoping that EA churns out a version that's bug-free.

don't think I've ever said that Wii graphics are equivalent to PS3 or 360. They're not, nor will they ever be. But the Wii is not as weak as other people would like it to sound.

n64 can do 1080p


You're logic doesn't make sense to compare a system produced by Sony™ and a system made by Nintendo™
the machine knows what logo is stamped on it? Damn are those processors good nowadays.

Logic disagrees with you.

PS2 < powerful than Wii
PS2 could output 720p/1080i
--------------------------------------------
Therefore Wii could output in an HD resolution if Nintendo so desired.

Show me what supports this.

Show me what supports this.
Every comparison chart on the stats of Wii ever? Granted, official ones are never released, so it's all benchmark work done by hobbyists.

Well if I understand your logic you are saying that since Wii is newer than ps2, the Wii should be able to produce HD quality graphics. With that same flawed idea you would be saying that my iphone could do HD because it is newer?

Well if I understand your logic you are saying that since Wii is newer than ps2, the Wii should be able to produce HD quality graphics. With that same flawed idea you would be saying that my iphone could do HD because it is newer?
think you're seeing a phantom "newer." The argument was that it's more powerful hardware-wise. HD capability is dependent on hardware. PS2 could do HD. Wii has better hardware than PS2. Therefore, Wii should be able to do HD.

Love your avatar, btw. I'm the baby, gotta love me...

Every comparison chart on the stats of Wii ever? Granted, official ones are never released, so it's all benchmark work done by hobbyists.
You must really be a HUGE FAN BOY. I meant that the ps2 output 720pand1080i,not that the wii was more powerful then the ps2

You must really be a HUGE FAN BOY. I meant that the ps2 output 720pand1080i,not that the wii was more powerful then the ps2

GT4 ran in 1080i. At least, could.

http://gear.ign.com/articles/742/742965p1.html

I meant that the ps2 output 720pand1080i,not that the wii was more powerful then the ps2

GT4 ran in 1080i.

http://gear.ign.com/articles/742/742965p1.html

Among others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HD_Enhanced_PS2_games

Tourist Trophy and GT4 were the only games to utilize 1080i and Van Helsing is the only game that supported 720p.

Logic disagrees with you.

PS2 < powerful than Wii
PS2 could output 720p/1080i
--------------------------------------------
Therefore Wii could output in an HD resolution if Nintendo so desired.

http://reviews.cnet.com/game-accessories/xploder-ps2-hdtv-player/4505-10110_7-32137749.html
LOL so in sense it did as you can do on computer,trick it to output the format you want.So the ps2 couldn't but the wii is more powerful so it should be able to? Logic disagrees with you

Madden 09 will look amazing on Wii, and slightly better on xbox360 and ps3. You convinced me!

Among others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HD_Enhanced_PS2_games

Tourist Trophy and GT4 were the only games to utilize 1080i and Van Helsing is the only game that supported 720p.

Others?lol one other and one "720p" LOL those are not true native resolutions 480p was the best it could do,face facts

http://reviews.cnet.com/game-accessories/xploder-ps2-hdtv-player/4505-10110_7-32137749.html
LOL so in sense it did as you can do on computer,trick it to output the format you want.So the ps2 couldn't but the wii is more powerful so it should be able to? Logic disagrees with you

That's not what we're talking about. That's a 3rd party add-on.

Others?lol one other and one "720p" LOL those are not true native resolutions 480p was the best it could do,face facts
all you need is one counterexample to show a claim is wrong....

Madden 09 will look amazing on Wii, and slightly better on xbox360 and ps3. You convinced me!

You're the only one arguing this point.

That's not what we're talking about. That's a 3rd party add-on.

Ok,even the games with 1080i ability were just upscales,w/ less texture and colors. Why would sony have made ps3 if ps2 could do it?

all you need is one counterexample to show a claim is wrong....

And Im still waiting,the ps2 nevr produced a native resolution about 480p. Fact!

GT4 ran in 1080i. At least, could.

http://gear.ign.com/articles/742/742965p1.html

Bonk, that Xploder is something different. The PS2 could output 1080i without the use of a third party add-on. The Xploder is for games that don't support HD and you wanted to upscale them.

Bonk, that Xploder is something different. The PS2 could output 1080i without the use of a third party add-on. The Xploder is for games that don't support HD and you wanted to upscale them.

COULD UPSCALE.not produce 1080i. Those games were not 1080i,GT wouldn't even go to 1080i until race,and it was rendered differently,to be able to UPSCALE

Ok,even the games with 1080i ability were just upscales,w/ less texture and colors. Why would sony have made ps3 if ps2 could do it?

Again, just because it would output in an HD resolution doesn't change the fact that it's running on PS2 hardware, i.e. less powerful. That means little or no anti aliasing, bloom, updated shaders, etc. etc. All the other stuff that makes a game look good.

And Im still waiting,the ps2 nevr produced a native resolution about 480p. Fact!

Not a fact :nono2:

Ok,even the games with 1080i ability were just upscales,w/ less texture and colors. Why would sony have made ps3 if ps2 could do it?



And Im still waiting,the ps2 nevr produced a native resolution about 480p. Fact!
doesn't native resolution have to do with the disc data? As in, the game wasn't written to have a native resolution above 480p ie due to size constraints. 2 of the 3 games weren't on DVD-9. I'm not sure if GT4 used the second layer of the disc.

The PS3 can output HD at a much higher quality. As I said earlier, just because it can output in that format doesn't mean it's optimal for it. There's more than just resolution.

Bonk, that Xploder is something different. The PS2 could output 1080i without the use of a third party add-on. The Xploder is for games that don't support HD and you wanted to upscale them.
I was going for the GT4 citation. I can never find that wiki page you link.

COULD UPSCALE.not produce 1080i. Those games were not 1080i,GT wouldn't even go to 1080i until race,and it was rendered differently,to be able to UPSCALE

They didn't render the menus in 1080i so that means the game wasn't???? :confused:

They didn't render the menus in 1080i so that means the game wasn't???? :confused:
Means it was upscaled. It was not a ture 1080i.just as many ps3 or xbox games are not 1080p. I still play them in 1080p but they aren't,they are 720p. So does that mean that I am playing a true 1080p game? My screen says 1080p,so it must right? No,its UPSCALED.Honestly,I don't care anymore. The ps2 didn't put out a true signal over 480p,and I will think that til proven wrong. This has strayed far from what was at debate. That the WII can not produce HD resolutions,and that it is laughable to think they CAN and just don't want to. :lmao:

Means it was upscaled. It was not a ture 1080i.just as many ps3 or xbox games are not 1080p. I still play them in 1080p but they aren't,they are 720p. So does that mean that I am playing a true 1080p game? My screen says 1080p,so it must right? No,its UPSCALED.Honestly,I don't care anymore. The ps2 didn't put out a true signal over 480p,and I will think that til proven wrong. This has strayed far from what was at debate. That the WII can not produce HD resolutions,and that it is laughable to think they CAN and just don't want to. :lmao:

Again, disc storage....If the signal coming into your TV at 1080i, that means the source is outputting in 1080i (unless you have magic wires that upconvert inside them). It doesn't mean that the data is written to have detail at 1080i.

You realize that most AAA titles this gen aren't even 720p, right?

Again, disc storage....

lmao you are right,its b/c of disc storage space they dont go HD. Bet you have a Mario tat as well

lmao you are right,its b/c of disc storage space they dont go HD. Bet you have a Mario tat as well
:confused: what are you talking about? If the signal's not being converted in the wires or in your TV, it's being output at that resolution. Simple as that. There's no magic.

If you want detail at the resolution, you need to have the processing power to keep track of calculations at that level and the storage space to have such detail. That's what 360 and PS3 have via better hardware and dual-layer or BR formats.

And, as mentioned above, even with that, they're usually not running at 720p or better.

You realize that most AAA titles this gen aren't even 720p, right?
Was that directed at me? And if so. Yes I do. thats why I said i play them at 1080p and that does not mean they are 1080p. So that helps my point if anything.

And to you Bonk,I quoted you obviously before you edited your post,to your edit. It is not 1080i,it is a tricked 1080i the way that the other item "tricked" it. But think what you like,point still at hand is,WII CANT DO IT

If you want detail at the resolution, you need to have the processing power to keep track of calculations at that level and the storage space to have such detail. That's what 360 and PS3 have via better hardware and dual-layer or BR formats.
EXACTLY,THE WII CAN NOT DO IT! Its not that they chose not to,its that they can't, what I have been trying to state since post one.

I wonder if girls read this thread and decide to become lesbians?

Was that directed at me? And if so. Yes I do. thats why I said i play them at 1080p and that does not mean they are 1080p. So that helps my point if anything.

My point to saying that was to prove that resolutions don't make games look good. A PS2 game at 1080i will still look like shit compared to a PS3 game at 640p.

It is not 1080i,it is a tricked 1080i the way that the other item "tricked" it. But think what you like,point still at hand is,WII CANT DO IT

Call it whatever you want but the signal coming out of the PS2 is 1080i. The TV is not doing the upscaling.

EXACTLY,THE WII CAN NOT DO IT! Its not that they chose not to,its that they can't, what I have been trying to state since post one.
:confused: It clearly can do it. 1080i output is 1080i output regardless of upscaling. It can't do it at the level you apparently want out of it -- which is different from output resolution. At least, it couldn't do that AND have an actual game people would want to buy simultaneously.

My point to saying that was to prove that resolutions don't make games look good. A PS2 game at 1080i will still look like shit compared to a PS3 game at 640p.



Call it whatever you want but the signal coming out of the PS2 is 1080i. The TV is not doing the upscaling.

What point is that making?When did I say anything about how a game looks? :confused: I said the wii wont do HD graphics. Then fine,the ps2 does 1080i,thats why so many ps2 coming out now are in 1080i b/c it does a true 1080i,wait all are still 480p right? Doens't have the gusto to do it. I take it back to computers,can output whatever you like,doesn't mean its correct.

It clearly can do it. 1080i output is 1080i output regardless of upscaling. It can't do it at the level you apparently want out of it -- which is different from output resolution. At least, it couldn't do that AND have an actual game simultaneously.

How did you prove the wii could do so? B/c the ps2 supposedly can? That does not mean the wii can.

What point is that making?When did I say anything about how a game looks? :confused: I said the wii wont do HD graphics. Then fine,the ps2 does 1080i,thats why so many ps2 coming out now are in 1080i b/c it does a true 1080i,wait all are still 480p right? Doens't have the gusto to do it. I take it back to computers,can output whatever you like,doesn't mean its correct.



How did you prove the wii could do so? B/c the ps2 supposedly can? That does not mean the wii can.
Sorry -- I was talking PS2. So yes, it's logical that the Wii can do it, not a proof.

Sorry -- I was talking PS2. So yes, it's logical that the Wii can do it, not a proof.

But the wii is using Blue ocean theory right? So they steered in another direction,so logically I can say,no they can't. Ps2 was going that way for ps3. Wii is in its own class :wave:

But the wii is using Blue ocean theory right? So they steered in another direction,so logically I can say,no they can't. Ps2 was going that way for ps3. Wii is in its own class :wave:
No. They steered in another direction from their competitors of this generation. It's still more powerful than last generation. :dontknow:

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Bonkman, we all appreciate your efforts, but I think you're fighting a losing battle here. Evidently some PS3 fanboys don't quite understand logic, and reason, and would rather bash on the Wii because they don't get it. It's not your fault, you tried.

How are we ps3 fanboys? I owned every system (ps3, xbox360, wii) until recently the Wii was collecting dust and I sold it. I loved the Wii, but for MADDEN 09 and HD GAMING it is a paperweight. Zelda, Wii sports were all fun, but no recent title has grabbed my attention and the balance board thing would have require the purchase of new hardware $$$.

Bonkman, we all appreciate your efforts, but I think you're fighting a losing battle here. Evidently some PS3 fanboys don't quite understand logic, and reason, and would rather bash on the Wii because they don't get it. It's not your fault, you tried.

LMAO you make unsupported claims then bow out to only come and post this after you have been proven wrong? How the F* am i a ps3 fanboy? Or anyone else posting? You are obviously a Wii Fan boy and would let mario plunge your backed up toilet anyday. I have all 3 systems,I prefer xbox over other 2 for gaming. I like the wii,its fun for my girlfriend to play and neices. Instead of coming in and not adding anything,how about you get back to playing mario kart online and cheering about how you beat the little kids in the races.

No. They steered in another direction from their competitors of this generation. It's still more powerful than last generation. :dontknow:

lol what ever you say. Bottom line,proof wii can do 720p,or 1080i? No. So until that day,its NO,IT CAN'T PRODUCE HD.

lol what ever you say. Bottom line,proof wii can do 720p,or 1080i? No. So until that day,its NO,IT CAN'T PRODUCE HD.

To get technical, no. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. As I said, it logically follows that Wii can output 720p or 1080i since the less powerful PS2 could. End of story.

To get technical, no. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. As I said, it logically follows that Wii can output 720p or 1080i since the less powerful PS2 could. End of story.

The ps2 could also play movies,but the wii can't.Just b/c the ps2 could do something doesnt mean the wii could. What you are saying has no value to it. You said yourself that the wii was steered in another direction. That is sensor bars and wii motes. Well if thats the case, its LOGICAL to assume they cut back on graphics to focus on those things,which you said before as well. So its LOGICAL to say that the wii does not have graphical processing power to produce HD. END OF STORY

The ps2 could also play movies,but the wii can't.Just b/c the ps2 could do something doesnt mean the wii could.

The Wii has a DVD drive so, yes, it's capable of playing back movies but Nintendo didn't put on the software to do it. The hardware is there, the functionality is not.

What you are saying has no value to it. You said yourself that the wii was steered in another direction. That is sensor bars and wii motes. Well if thats the case, its LOGICAL to assume they cut back on graphics to focus on those things,which you said before as well. So its LOGICAL to say that the wii does not have graphical processing power to produce HD. END OF STORY

They didn't "cut back" from the graphics of the previous generation (which is how you make it sound), rather, they didn't make as big of a graphical leap as the other competitors. So, no, it's not logical to assume the Wii doesn't have the graphical prowess to display in an HD resolution.

The Wii has a DVD drive so, yes, it's capable of playing back movies but Nintendo didn't put on the software to do it. The hardware is there, the functionality is not.



They didn't "cut back" from the graphics of the previous generation (which is how you make it sound), rather, they didn't make as big of a graphical leap as the other competitors. So, no, it's not logical to assume the Wii doesn't have the graphical prowess to display in an HD resolution.

Does it play dvds at this point? No it doesn't.So my point is still valid, but I will re-word it to fit you. The Wii Does not play dvds. And you yourself said that current AAA games are not even 720p,and look at them. The wii IS NOT AND WILL NOT be where those games are at with current hardware.What increase in graphics from past gen models have you seen? The wii graphics are pretty on par to xbox and ps2. Give a game that blows those 2 out of the water. Now the gamecube to the xbox would be a step up in graphics. So since "they didn't make as big of a graphical leap as the other competitors" you could say they made a step to the xbox,correct?

I am off to my poker game,most likely wont be on tonight. So if anyone else cares to discuss this with me,please feel free to PM. Sorry Eddie and everyone for straying so far from orig. post. Have a good one everyone.

The ps2 could also play movies,but the wii can't.Just b/c the ps2 could do something doesnt mean the wii could. What you are saying has no value to it. You said yourself that the wii was steered in another direction. That is sensor bars and wii motes. Well if thats the case, its LOGICAL to assume they cut back on graphics to focus on those things,which you said before as well. So its LOGICAL to say that the wii does not have graphical processing power to produce HD. END OF STORY

Does it play dvds at this point? No it doesn't.So my point is still valid, but I will re-word it to fit you. The Wii Does not play dvds. And you yourself said that current AAA games are not even 720p,and look at them. The wii IS NOT AND WILL NOT be where those games are at with current hardware.What increase in graphics from past gen models have you seen? The wii graphics are pretty on par to xbox and ps2. Give a game that blows those 2 out of the water. Now the gamecube to the xbox would be a step up in graphics. So since "they didn't make as big of a graphical leap as the other competitors" you could say they made a step to the xbox,correct?

The Wii DOES play DVDs. The games are DVDs (smash is a DL). It doesn't play DVD movies because nintendo hasn't installed the codecs required.

The Wii won't be where 360 and PS3 are. It doesn't have the same power. If that's what you thought the argument was about, no wonder you're so adamant. floyd and I were arguing that the Wii can output at HD resolutions. As floyd already pointed out, nintendo didn't make the Wii weaker than last generation's systems. They just didn't make it as powerful as 360 or PS3.

Oh -- and Galaxy, for one, blows Xbox and PS2 games out of the water. IMO, Metroid does as well.

The Wii DOES play DVDs. The games are DVDs (smash is a DL). It doesn't play DVD movies because nintendo hasn't installed the codecs required.
Oh -- and Galaxy, for one, blows Xbox and PS2 games out of the water. IMO, Metroid does as well.

Just out of curiousity, do Wiis play DVD9s or dont they?

Your previous post was a bit misleading/confusing...

That's what 360 and PS3 have via better hardware and dual-layer or BR formats

Does it play dvds at this point? No it doesn't.So my point is still valid, but I will re-word it to fit you. The Wii Does not play dvds. And you yourself said that current AAA games are not even 720p,and look at them. The wii IS NOT AND WILL NOT be where those games are at with current hardware.What increase in graphics from past gen models have you seen? The wii graphics are pretty on par to xbox and ps2. Give a game that blows those 2 out of the water. Now the gamecube to the xbox would be a step up in graphics. So since "they didn't make as big of a graphical leap as the other competitors" you could say they made a step to the xbox,correct?

Jason, I luv ya bud, but ur fighting a losing battle here -_-V

Just out of curiousity, do Wiis play DVD9s or dont they?

Your previous post was a bit misleading/confusing...
yeah -- smash is DL. AFAIK, the only DVD format that's DL is DVD-9. Sorry about the confusion. For 360, afaik, all games are on DL DVD-9. Smash was the first Wii game to use a DL (which is why it didn't work on a small percentage of dirty systems -- the laser was clean enough for single-layer games but not for dual-layer).

You ever get the feeling that all these people that tout how amazing the PS3's 1080i graphics are play their games on a 27" CRT?

I've seen a few tech demos that show the Wii isn't as far behind in the 360 and PS3 as you'd think. It can do some really impressive things.
The problem is that developers are still getting the hang of the system, and haven't even begun to explore just what it can do yet.
I'm sure by the end of it's life, we'll see graphics about that good, but I must concede that madden 09 won't be at quite that level.

This is the statement I was arguing.The argument was that the wii can produce almost what xbox and ps are producing,also later stated they "chose not to". Galaxy looks nice,but I would not say BLOWS them out of the water. You play on non-component cables and its on par with last gen. You add composites to xbox and halo2 is pretty nice as well. Can't say about ps2 as I didn't play it. The bottom line is when graphics are talked about with the wii you go to comparision with last gen systems,ps2,orig. xbox. Its not on the level graphically that the big boys are at now. It will not produce and sustain a 720p game or 1080i game.Its not powerful enough. Bottom line

You ever get the feeling that all these people that tout how amazing the PS3's 1080i graphics are play their games on a 27" CRT?

Again,what people are raving about the ps3? And I myself have 3 42+ in lcds in my house

This is the statement I was arguing.The argument was that the wii can produce almost what xbox and ps are producing,also later stated they "chose not to". Galaxy looks nice,but I would not say BLOWS them out of the water. You play on non-component cables and its on par with last gen. You add composites to xbox and halo2 is pretty nice as well. Can't say about ps2 as I didn't play it. The bottom line is when graphics are talked about with the wii you go to comparision with last gen systems,ps2,orig. xbox. Its not on the level graphically that the big boys are at now. It will not produce and sustain a 720p game or 1080i game.Its not powerful enough. Bottom line



Again,what people are raving about the ps3? And I myself have 3 42+ in lcds in my house
I disagree with corydorf's statement as well, in a sense. I wouldn't be surprised if a few studios develop a few tricks that make late-generation Wii titles look almost as good as early 360 or PS3 titles. Just because a game is on those systems doesn't mean it looks good automatically.

That said, the good games (Galaxy, Corruption) blow last gen out of the water, with or without component. Though, of course, this is an opinion. Halo2 is pretty, but it's not near some Wii games. Of course, if you're comparing it to Far Cry Wii, it looks amazing.

I wonder if girls read this thread and decide to become lesbians?
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