Who cares about FW

[dreamwarrior]

Why give them credit? This is not FW. Whoever is first to post something on SD should get credit for it. Not like it's a big deal anyway but I can't rep someone from another site so just don't mention them.

Plus who knows, there may be some guy on a russian site that posted a deal first before everyone else on the internet but he probably won't get credit elsewhere.

[davidwlam8]

That is very true, i find all my deals on fw and repost them here. I am just here to make SDers aware of deals..But i get flamed for not giving credit.

[Aluvus]

If you knowingly use someone else's work, you credit it. Period.

Basic ethical behavior.

[finzz2dlft]

If you knowingly use someone else's work, you credit it. Period.

Basic ethical behavior.


:iagree:

[LandofOz]

I've had several deals that I found myself that were copied word-for-word to FW and other sites. If you take the time to find a deal, write all the information out, find the links, the codes, and then post it -- and someone comes along and just copies and pastes it to another site -- it's kind of like plagiarism in a way.

If I post a deal that I solely found on another site, I always say "Credit to XXXX on FW" or at least "Borrowed" if I found it on a different site -- so that people know I got it somewhere else. It's just the right thing to do.

[soswank]

If you knowingly use someone else's work, you credit it. Period.

Basic ethical behavior.

i agree.

[Wammer]

That is very true, i find all my deals on fw and repost them here. I am just here to make SDers aware of deals..But i get flamed for not giving credit.

Perhaps you should reconsider then and give credit where credit is due. You'd avoid getting flamed and earn much more respect from the senior members of SD.

[mem]

I do agreee, credit must be given, what I don't like is that some ppls give credit in the title which I really hate example (http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=26688&t=111881)

[McSlick]

Why give them credit? This is not FW. Whoever is first to post something on SD should get credit for it. Not like it's a big deal anyway but I can't rep someone from another site so just don't mention them.

Plus who knows, there may be some guy on a russian site that posted a deal first before everyone else on the internet but he probably won't get credit elsewhere.
I have four points to your comment.

First, if person "A" uses someone else's post, isn't "A" now not an OP? Of course you could make the argument that "A" is the OP for slickdeals, but I personally do not buy it. There is nothing original about using someone else's thread, regardless of where you got it from.

Secondly, if you posted something on here and you looked on FW and saw that someone had copied your thread verbatim and did not give you credit, would that bother you? You spent all this time finding the deal, writing the words, copying the link, et cetera and then you read other people posting "Thanks OP this is a great deal/find" to the person who copied your link. Would you feel cheated? I know I would.

Thirdly, if it is "not a big deal anyway" to not give someone credit as you claim, is it really a big deal to give credit to someone? What are we talking about here, eight characters at the most to write the word "borrowed". Are you saying that is a really big deal to go out of your way to write this?

Lastly, about the Russian guy example, I think that this is a totally different scenrio from what is being talked about here. You actually mention the difference in the first three words of that sentence-- "Plus who knows". Exactly, no one knew they were copying this Russian person as opposed to deliberately going to another deals site for the purposely of copying someone's deal and posting it on SD's. If I am missing something from your example please correct me. Posting a deal that you had no idea existed is still an original thought in its own right; you came up with it without any other peron's help. The only instance where this previously thought of original deal would run into trouble is in a patent situation and that does not apply here.

I highly encourage the OP and any other person in opposition to my claims to please respond to any or all of them; I would love to hear your answer(s).

[benjie]

I usually just say "borrowed", "stolen", or something similar. I don't usually give a site or name, but show that it wasn't my original work.

[avalon]

I find some of my posts copied verbatim onto other sites into their deal section (though not FW yet). What's funny is because I use a different nick there, people don't know I see what they are doing...

Credit where credit is due (when possible) is my philosophy...

[Wammer]

I find some of my posts copied verbatim onto other sites into their deal section (though not FW yet).

Me too. Especially a site that starts with a D and ends with an A. It ticks me off.

[el-cheapo]

It doesn't hurt to just say "ripped from FW" or DN, BB, TB or whatever.
Sometimes if I feel stronly about it I will give the persons tag like "sphincterboy @ FW".

They deserve a bit of credit. Chances are they lurk here too.!

[Here it is]

Why give them credit? This is not FW. Whoever is first to post something on SD should get credit for it. Not like it's a big deal anyway but I can't rep someone from another site so just don't mention them.

Plus who knows, there may be some guy on a russian site that posted a deal first before everyone else on the internet but he probably won't get credit elsewhere.

What is FW? Not listed here. (http://forums.slickdeals.net/faq.php?faq=sd_faq_item#faq_new_faq_item)

[el-cheapo]

What is FW? Not listed here. (http://forums.slickdeals.net/faq.php?faq=sd_faq_item#faq_new_faq_item)


We could tell you but then we would have to _______ ah, crap its fatwallet.
FW= fatwallet
DN = dealnews
BB = best buy
BB = slickdeals
FU = fark you
DH = dear hubby

[captainalias]

I'm a regular poster on FW, and I was very annoyed when one of my posts was copied word for word, verbatim!, onto SD without credit by ciked. I spent some time typing up that post, so if you're going to copy it, title and all, give some credit. If not, that's called plagiarism.

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=82865&t=164633

Now, I also understand that information is free to share on the Internet. If you don't copy word for word and just use the link, that's fine by me, you don't have to give credit.

[25MVPKing]

Why give them credit? This is not FW. Whoever is first to post something on SD should get credit for it. Not like it's a big deal anyway but I can't rep someone from another site so just don't mention them.

Plus who knows, there may be some guy on a russian site that posted a deal first before everyone else on the internet but he probably won't get credit elsewhere.
I have to agree with OP on this one. Our job is not to have other forums *happy* with our citing skills. If OPs care enough about their work to want credit for it, they should have posted it on multiple sites. I don't care who did the work, as long as the greatest number of people get the deal. He who posts helpful info gets the rep point. Whether that's OP, poster #10, or whoever.

As a point of compromise, I'll take the "stolen" or "swiped" or "borrowed" line, without the mention of the competition (this should ease your ethics problem). That would be like every movie with a plot about a boy and girl falling in love citing previous movies with the same plot. Or in Shrek 2, writing at the bottom of the screen (in fine print) these characters are the same from Shrek even though every employee wasn't rehired.

[xupz]

I find it appalling anyone would even consider not giving credit to the people who found the deal or took the time to write it out. I've seen this problem in the tech support forums as well where people will post "guides" that are word for word ripped from another site. All you have to do is put a few words down to cite the source. It's not brain surgery. You didn't find the deal or write it out, you cut & pasted it. Why do you deserve any credit? I think people do it for the reps, but I will rep a cited source before something that is most likely jacked.

Honor, integrity, curteousy towards others. I think a small cite isn't too much to ask.

[OnePenny]

If you knowingly use someone else's work, you credit it. Period.

Basic ethical behavior.

Exactly!

[McSlick]

If OPs care enough about their work to want credit for it, they should have posted it on multiple sites. I don't care who did the work, as long as the greatest number of people get the deal. He who posts helpful info gets the rep point. Whether that's OP, poster #10, or whoever.
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Secondly, if you posted something on here and you looked on FW and saw that someone had copied your thread verbatim and did not give you credit, would that bother you? You spent all this time finding the deal, writing the words, copying the link, et cetera and then you read other people posting "Thanks OP this is a great deal/find" to the person who copied your link. Would you feel cheated? I know I would.
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I don't care who posts the deal either, but I do care if someone is copying a deal without giving credit. Plus, who has time to join every deal site and post the same deal and what about my question above? If someone stole your post, you wouldn't honestly feel cheated?

[dreamwarrior]

I have four points to your comment.

First, if person "A" uses someone else's post, isn't "A" now not an OP? Of course you could make the argument that "A" is the OP for slickdeals, but I personally do not buy it. There is nothing original about using someone else's thread, regardless of where you got it from.


They're still the ones who brought the deal to SD. The point is to share deals, not to achieve fame and glory.


Secondly, if you posted something on here and you looked on FW and saw that someone had copied your thread verbatim and did not give you credit, would that bother you? You spent all this time finding the deal, writing the words, copying the link, et cetera and then you read other people posting "Thanks OP this is a great deal/find" to the person who copied your link. Would you feel cheated? I know I would.


On low traffic deal sites or forums that aren't deal sites but have a "deals" subsection, 99% of the time there is no credit given even when you know it's been copied. This is because to them it's not really a big deal. It's not like they are making money by passing along the information. Whatever they benefit from doing it is quite rediculous if you actually think about it.


Thirdly, if it is "not a big deal anyway" to not give someone credit as you claim, is it really a big deal to give credit to someone? What are we talking about here, eight characters at the most to write the word "borrowed". Are you saying that is a really big deal to go out of your way to write this?


If while you are copying something you are not thinking "oh i better make sure to give this guy credit" you most likely won't even notice let alone remember the OP's name to give credit to. Should you go back to the original site and look for the deal again? That would take a bit more effort than it's worth.

I feel that it's all a collective effort. Everyone contributes one way or another. It's not about one person being better than another.

[Aluvus]

They're still the ones who brought the deal to SD. The point is to share deals, not to achieve fame and glory.
Sharing deals does not preclude one from following simple ethical guidelines. If you're using someone else's work and you know it, you make that clear.

On low traffic deal sites or forums that aren't deal sites but have a "deals" subsection, 99% of the time there is no credit given even when you know it's been copied. This is because to them it's not really a big deal. It's not like they are making money by passing along the information. Whatever they benefit from doing it is quite rediculous if you actually think about it.
"Everybody else does it" is not an excuse. Neither is the "victimless crime" notion.

If while you are copying something you are not thinking "oh i better make sure to give this guy credit" you most likely won't even notice let alone remember the OP's name to give credit to. Should you go back to the original site and look for the deal again? That would take a bit more effort than it's worth.
Then just credit the site.

I feel that it's all a collective effort. Everyone contributes one way or another. It's not about one person being better than another.
In most collective efforts, one acknowledges collaborators. Especially if they did all the real work.

[jeznnib]

I post messages for some local ladies that I know and I check 4-5 different shopping & mom boards. The problem is that almost every site has the same exact offerings, so does that mean that I need to look at the date & time that every post is posted in order to give credit to the correct person? And how do you know that the OP didn't copy it from somewhere else?

[Aluvus]

I post messages for some local ladies that I know and I check 4-5 different shopping & mom boards. The problem is that almost every site has the same exact offerings, so does that mean that I need to look at the date & time that every post is posted in order to give credit to the correct person? And how do you know that the OP didn't copy it from somewhere else?
If you are not intentionally and knowingly copying someone else's work, you don't need to worry about it so much.

[cogentman]

If you knowingly use someone else's work, you credit it. Period.

Basic ethical behavior.

I agree. There's a sort of implied credit in finding a great deal. If you're not after the credit why wouldn't you at least say "borrowed"? It's got nothing to do with who you give credit to, just that you do.

[McSlick]

Obviously the OP and myself are not going to see eye to eye on this subject and that is okay because difference of opinion is what makes the world great. But I do feel we are talking about slightly different things on the subject. I tried to write something in order for people in opposition of giving credit to empathize with the plight of some one who has been robbed of their credit by a knowing offender. If you cannot see this point or do not agree with it all that can really be said succiently on this subject is by the previous poster, Aluvus:

If you knowingly use someone else's work, you credit it. Period.

Basic ethical behavior. (emphasis added)

[chuddy117]

What's with the animosity between other deal sites? "Competition?!" What the butt!? Sheesh, I look at both sites. I don't understand why people constantly flame other deal sites. All we're here for is deals. We aren't working for these deal sites, so why even care!? I appreciate the forum FW and Slickdeals offer, but guess what? There will ALWAYS be others. The point is, most of us only care about ONE thing, and that's getting the very best deal. Doesn't matter where we get it from, as long as we can get it. Whether from FW, SD, BS, GA, BB, wherever. And I think it is common courtesy to give credit where credit is due. Enough with the childish behavior and whining regarding "which deal site is better." :cool:

[JoshPowell]

I don't really care where the deal is from.. but credit should deffinatly be given. Its just polite.



Josh

[XXnarg]

I post messages for some local ladies that I know and I check 4-5 different shopping & mom boards. The problem is that almost every site has the same exact offerings, so does that mean that I need to look at the date & time that every post is posted in order to give credit to the correct person? And how do you know that the OP didn't copy it from somewhere else?Simple:"I found this posted by PosterA on XYZ site."
You've done your duty in terms of crediting your source and are absolved from further research.

It would be up to PosterA to cite her source if there is one. We can't control what she does.

[xcgames]

this discussion lead to nowhere. Giving credit or no credit, it's all up to the OP. Unless this is suggesting an enforcement mechanism of some sort on SD, nothing will change. end of discussion.

[XXnarg]

this discussion lead to nowhere. Giving credit or no credit, it's all up to the OP. Unless this is suggesting an enforcement mechanism of some sort on SD, nothing will change. end of discussion.We love it when you post macho like that! ;)

[LucaBella]

I've had several deals that I found myself that were copied word-for-word to FW and other sites. If you take the time to find a deal, write all the information out, find the links, the codes, and then post it -- and someone comes along and just copies and pastes it to another site -- it's kind of like plagiarism in a way.

If I post a deal that I solely found on another site, I always say "Credit to XXXX on FW" or at least "Borrowed" if I found it on a different site -- so that people know I got it somewhere else. It's just the right thing to do.

exactly. I have brought deals here from FW, and then later found it posted somewhere else, and have seen people say "thanks to Lucabella and FW" and I think thats the way it should be.

but especially when people take the time to write everything out, and Oz says, they deserve credit. and it should carry to every site that benefits from this information.

and as a personal thing, i remember when someone named "Onion" on fat wallet posted an amazing deal, and then Vster posted it here in SD, and I thought that was pretty crappy that he'd copied Onions's post word for word with no mention of it being someone else's deal...

Til i found out Vster IS Onion! :D

[wakeboarder86]

exactly. I have brought deals here from FW, and then later found it posted somewhere else, and have seen people say "thanks to Lucabella and FW" and I think thats the way it should be.

but especially when people take the time to write everything out, and Oz says, they deserve credit. and it should carry to every site that benefits from this information.

and as a personal thing, i remember when someone named "Onion" on fat wallet posted an amazing deal, and then Vster posted it here in SD, and I thought that was pretty crappy that he'd copied Onions's post word for word with no mention of it being someone else's deal...

Til i found out Vster IS Onion! :D

Haha, I do the same thing. Always have to give credit, it annoys me when poeple dont.

[g.g.]

That is very true, i find all my deals on fw and repost them here. I am just here to make SDers aware of deals..But i get flamed for not giving credit.it's not just the deals found on FW.

i politely pm'ed you about the issue

when you add someone else's info to your post...

i think it is often considered to be considerate to mention the person who provided the additional info.

just fyi ;)

SD members, myself included, have provided info to enhance a deal you've posted, and you've copied and pasted our info into your OP without a thanks or giving creds or anything.


http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=39493&t=170780
http://forums.slickdeals.net/showpost.php?p=1956053&postcount=34
http://forums.slickdeals.net/showpost.php?p=1960090&postcount=50

now that just hurts :weeping: :crying: ;)

[sat_sonic]

I dont believe that you should worry about giving FW or any site credit. Just as long as you post it on SD. SD is the main site that I check, and I like to have see the best deals on SD ASAP.

[serra]

i am surprised this thread lasted as long as it did. why even give fark wallet any publicity here at all???????????

[Aluvus]

i am surprised this thread lasted as long as it did. why even give fark wallet any publicity here at all???????????
Because they are not the real issue here.

[chuddy117]

i am surprised this thread lasted as long as it did. why even give fark wallet any publicity here at all???????????

Because it isn't about publicity or "my website is better than yours", it's about finding the best deals and getting in on them. Period.

[serra]

Because it isn't about publicity or "my website is better than yours", it's about finding the best deals and getting in on them. Period.

publicity is publicity....regardless of whether it's good or bad, publicity means to give attention to. PERIOD.

[chuddy117]

publicity is publicity....regardless of whether it's good or bad, publicity means to give attention to. PERIOD.

If you had read my post, you would see I said NOTHING about good/bad publicity. Giving credit to the OP, whether from FW or ANYWHERE is simple common courtesy. Like I DID say in my post, instead of looking at crediting FW as BAD, look at it as being courteous. I could careless how many times SD or FW is mentioned on either site, AS LONG AS WE GET THE DEAL. I think you're reading too far into this whole thing. Being a fanboi of either site might be cute and fun, but we are not here to argue which site is better. We are here to GET THE DEALS.:)

[KidIcarus]

I love people that are talking about "basic ethics" yet most would be the first to jump on a "deal" that's a price mistake or flat out stealing. Ethics go by the wayside once someone finds a "deal" that's going to save them a few bucks....

[Merika]

I love people that are talking about "basic ethics" yet most would be the first to jump on a "deal" that's a price mistake or flat out stealing. Ethics go by the wayside once someone finds a "deal" that's going to save them a few bucks....

No there's a real honest reply and more than true. I have multiple survey 'profiles', I either do or don't own a business...depending, and the lady next door gets the other half of my Freebies since I have two DSL IP's I can goof with and a dialer account if I need more. This isn't a hobby for me....I make a decent money online. Everything someone posts, they got from SOMEWHERE else. It's the internet....don't be a whiner.

[KidIcarus]

No there's a real honest reply and more than true. I have multiple survey 'profiles', I either do or don't own a business...depending, and the lady next door gets the other half of my Freebies since I have two DSL IP's I can goof with and a dialer account if I need more. This isn't a hobby for me....I make a decent money online. Everything someone posts, they got from SOMEWHERE else. It's the internet....don't be a whiner.

What the hell does that have to do with my post?

[MaceX]

if FW and SD merged ?

[amblush]

Oh my. I Will tell you my opinion but please don't beat me up as I am fragile! j/k. :lol:

I have taken the time to write out summaries and the link to deals in the past and posted them at one site. Several hours later I saw my post word for word copied to quite a few other sites. Did I get upset and feel cheated or screwed??? NO, I was just glad that the deal that I found got passed to as many places as possible. I was happy to know that many more people were able to take advantage of such a great deal. I wasn't out for brownie points in the first place so I didn't give a rats butt that someone gleaned my post. Would I have been all mushy inside if they had added to the gleaned post "Stolen from Amblush at blahblah.com"?? Nope. Most of what I wrote was a summary of the manufacture's website anyway as are most deal summaries. So, perhaps I should have in my original post given credit to Joe Blow advertising agent for Blah blah inc. Since, majority of my post was actually originally his work. We are all here (or at least should be) to find and share great deals and/or freebies not pats on the back. I don't care about rep points when I post. I just get satisfaction from knowing that I helped someone else save some money. That's all that matters. :nod:

Amblush :hug:

[TrickySlicky]

I think it is polite to give credit where due.

I don't mean to pick on captainalias, but he wrote.

I'm a regular poster on FW, and I was very annoyed when one of my posts was copied word for word, verbatim!, onto SD without credit by ciked. I spent some time typing up that post, so if you're going to copy it, title and all, give some credit. If not, that's called plagiarism.


The questions are...

Why didn't captainalias come here and post it himself?

Does he care about F..Walleters getting the deals first?

Why did he not post them simultaneously?

Firefox tabbed browsing works great. Writing the post and coping from one tab to the other should be easy, a SD op should be the FW op and vice versa!

I have as much a problem with the rudeness to the SD op as I do with the lack of credit to some other sites op! But, at this time I personally thank each and every person who brings a deal here as well as posts at FW especially captainalias, although I never go there.

I don't get to post many deals but if I do feel free to take them anywhere you wish word for word. I didn't copy right the material. ©

[McSlick]

Obviously there is a difference of opinion, I think we all can agree on that (maybe :P )

If you want to give credit, please do.

If you don't, please reconsider :) If not, oh well the world still turns



I don't get to post many deals but if I do feel free to take them anywhere you wish word for word. I didn't copy right the material. ©FYI, anything written is copyright material without getting the © (it is just harder to prove)-- ask any attorney specializing in property law. But copyright infringement really wouldn't apply in this instance.

[MissChievous]

I have been posting on FW for years. I only joined SD about 5 weeks ago. It was funny to me to see my many posts on FW that people copied here. It doesn't bother me.

[Ranger510]

I think it is polite to give credit where due.

I don't mean to pick on captainalias, but he wrote.
Quote:
" Originally Posted by captainalias
I'm a regular poster on FW, and I was very annoyed when one of my posts was copied word for word, verbatim!, onto SD without credit by ciked. I spent some time typing up that post, so if you're going to copy it, title and all, give some credit. If not, that's called plagiarism.
"

The questions are...

Why didn't captainalias come here and post it himself?

Does he care about F..Walleters getting the deals first?

Why did he not post them simultaneously?

Firefox tabbed browsing works great. Writing the post and coping from one tab to the other should be easy, a SD op should be the FW op and vice versa!

I have as much a problem with the rudeness to the SD op as I do with the lack of credit to some other sites op! But, at this time I personally thank each and every person who brings a deal here as well as posts at FW especially captainalias, although I never go there.

I don't get to post many deals but if I do feel free to take them anywhere you wish word for word. I didn't copy right the material. ©:iagree:
Was thinking the same thing