Are you gaming on an SDtv or an HDtv?

[IAmNotFromCAG]

I wanted to do a bit of a survey here, since it seems like I get ridiculed every time I mention what I'm gaming on(20" SDtv playing a PS3), but who else actually has stuck with the tv they have rather than falling into the hype of HD?

So, what are you gaming on? I'm playing on a Panasonic 20" SDtv and aside from the few games I've run into that have made the text so ridiculously small(designed solely for HD:mad:)I've had zero issues playing on the tv.

Matter of fact, unless they lower the prices of the 20-26" HDtvs to $200 or under I'm still not going to 'upgrade'.

[vacuuum]

Well, I had the pleasure of hooking up a PS3 to our previous 37" SDTV and it was awesome at the time.
Now I play on a 22" Monitor and a 46" HDTV... I've got to say even my monitor blew the SDTV away.
The SDTV will look okay until you've stepped into the light of HD, then there will be no turning back @_@
Unless you actually watch TV I'd say go with a 24" Monitor, most are around the price point you're asking and most will be 1080p... though you might need to get yourself some speakers in the process.

[dayv]

a poll with out a poll...?

[TRUEfoe]

You're not really gaming until you're gaming in HD. =P

[mtiffee]

You're not really gaming until you're gaming in HD. =P

... agreed... and surround sound!

[mikemcclain8]

I'm gaming on a 100" SD projection system. I won't say HD isn't awesome, but I've got no complaints from my setup. It's 480p running through component. I could do HDMI, but I'm not sure the image would be any different. On a side note, it's only 5.1....need to upgrade the receiver, but I love my current Onkyo and hate to part with it.

[SolarFreon]

I had a friend recently upgrade to HD from SD (32" SD to 42" HD).

She is a CRACKSHOT in COD4:MW and most other FPS games.

It took her about 3 weeks to get her game back on, turns out she can see so much more detail and distance in HD that she's trying to shoot everything. These are things she didn't notice or could see in SD for some reason. She's back to form now but her K/D ratio took a nasty dive for a bit.

That's about the best way I could explain it. You don't notice a difference until you see the difference.

[Roland Deschain]

I wanted to do a bit of a survey here, since it seems like I get ridiculed every time I mention what I'm gaming on(20" SDtv playing a PS3), but who else actually has stuck with the tv they have rather than falling into the hype of HD?

.

"falling into the hype"? This statement makes me think of the sour grapes fable (google Aesop's Fables "The Sour Grapes")

HD gaming definitely lives up to the "hype".

I play on a LG 52" plasma flatscreen HDTV. Amazing and huge difference from my previous SD TV.

[Lopros]

been in HD......

[Homefrrie]

"falling into the hype"?


:iagree:

I was gonna quote that part too.. HD gaming is WELLLLLLLL worth it. You're buying something that you'll be using a LOT, especially if you're a gamer, so consider it an investment.

HD TV in all of its glory, HD gaming on my PS3, plus I saved $200 on a computer monitor and now run my tower with a VGA into my 47" as a monitor. Well, well worth it...

[willow_ve]

once you make the upgrade to HD there's no turning back. it's a night and day difference how much more you can see. it's a huge, repeat huge, advantage in any FPS. not only does HDTV give you so much more detail but you also have a much wider peripheral view.

[Cigolorp]

Yeah, HD gaming is not hype. I play on a 30" Panasonic 1080i CRT, and it's beautiful. After I got a PS3, I tried out a few of the games that don't support 1080i, and the difference was very apparent when it downscaled to 480. Were the games playable? Sure. But with 30" HDTVs dropping to $300 (and I think I've even seen a few below), there's very little excuse *(edit) not to update, unless you're really pressed for money.

On a side note, a friend of mine bought a 46" Samsung and claims that it's much tougher to play MW2 on the tv because of how large it is. This has always been my concern about upgrading - I like to sit directly in front of my 30" and view it almost like a large monitor. Anyone who has a huge display experience anything like this, or is there just an adjustment period?

[rige25]

I can't imagine playing the latest generation on a SDTV. I only had a small 20" HDTV when I got my PS3, took me about 2 weeks playing on that before I finally gave in and bought a large screen 1080p TV, and I could not be happier.

Although the speakers in the TV suck ass, I'm hoping to get a surround sound system set up sometime after christmas.

[aggs23]

I played on a 27" SDTV while I was a grad student. Now that I have a job I am playing on a 46" HDTV. It is a pretty awesome upgrade, but I did manage without HD.

[Roland Deschain]

:iagree:

I was gonna quote that part too.. HD gaming is WELLLLLLLL worth it. You're buying something that you'll be using a LOT, especially if you're a gamer, so consider it an investment.

HD TV in all of its glory, HD gaming on my PS3, plus I saved $200 on a computer monitor and now run my tower with a VGA into my 47" as a monitor. Well, well worth it...

wow a met fan and a philly fan agree on something???

btw, I hate that you guys got Halladay.

Damn you Phils!

[flrtrader]

WOO-Hoo Im gaming on a 70" Hitachi Director series High Def LCD !! COD is awesome... Enemies are 6" high and brain splatter gets all over the wall!

If your gunna get a big screen,... then get one for gods sake!

[SolarFreon]

flrtrader I'm now quite envious of you.... although I'm happy with my 52", 70" sounds quite epic.

[Homefrrie]

wow a met fan and a philly fan agree on something???

btw, I hate that you guys got Halladay.

Damn you Phils!

:evillaf:

I love the move.. might be putting in my order for a Halladay jersey pretty soon :bounce:

[czissis]

I wanted to do a bit of a survey here, since it seems like I get ridiculed every time I mention what I'm gaming on(20" SDtv playing a PS3), but who else actually has stuck with the tv they have rather than falling into the hype of HD?

So, what are you gaming on? I'm playing on a Panasonic 20" SDtv and aside from the few games I've run into that have made the text so ridiculously small(designed solely for HD:mad:)I've had zero issues playing on the tv.

Matter of fact, unless they lower the prices of the 20-26" HDtvs to $200 or under I'm still not going to 'upgrade'.

"Hype of HD"?

Are you blind?

[V0RT3X]

Can't say it enough time, my HDTV helps out so much when playing FPS. You can see guys way further out and looks like a tiny dot and get still a kill that would normally be impossible to do with SD. It's not a hype, it's the future. Just give in to the temptation and get one already, you won't regret it

Ohh, also a 7.1 surround sound system helps a lot too. When I hear guys sneaking up on me, I can tell which direction the sound is coming from and generally aim at the right direction waiting for him to show up

[RonDo]

Bedroom gaming on a 37" Olevia with a 7.1 setup.

Living room is a 5.1 with a Sony 34" XBR.

[trujunglist]

for a long time this year I was still gaming on a 27" or so SD tv of my roommate's because I didn't have one. Then I switched to a 13" SD TV because he got a 360 for himself. Talk about painful.
I was pretty skeptical of buying an HDTV. I had seen the in-store demos and thought Wow, that looks like shit because the screen isn't refreshing, or wow, it's actually not really better at all. I was extremely wary of shelling out so much dough for that when I could just get a $50 SD tv and get the same thing right? Well, then I bought a 37" 1080p Vizio and wow... the difference was immediately clear. Everything is so much more crisp than SD. My first reaction on starting a game of Rainbow Six Vegas 2 was "..... WOW!" and my roommate had the same reaction. He was extremely jealous at that point. On top of that, I was going not just from SD to HD but from 13" to 37". Now I could actually terrorist hunt like a real man! Now I have 5.1 surround to go with it and it's just excellent all around. Anyone that says SD is good enough just can't afford an HDTV, because it isn't when compared to HD.

[mikemcclain8]

for a long time this year I was still gaming on a 27" or so SD tv of my roommate's because I didn't have one. Then I switched to a 13" SD TV because he got a 360 for himself. Talk about painful.
I was pretty skeptical of buying an HDTV. I had seen the in-store demos and thought Wow, that looks like shit because the screen isn't refreshing, or wow, it's actually not really better at all. I was extremely wary of shelling out so much dough for that when I could just get a $50 SD tv and get the same thing right? Well, then I bought a 37" 1080p Vizio and wow... the difference was immediately clear. Everything is so much more crisp than SD. My first reaction on starting a game of Rainbow Six Vegas 2 was "..... WOW!" and my roommate had the same reaction. He was extremely jealous at that point. On top of that, I was going not just from SD to HD but from 13" to 37". Now I could actually terrorist hunt like a real man! Now I have 5.1 surround to go with it and it's just excellent all around. Anyone that says SD is good enough just can't afford an HDTV, because it isn't when compared to HD.

WTF, because someone is satisfied with SD they CAN'T AFFORD and HDTV....are you serious? Really? And you going from a 13" SD to a 37" HD makes you an expert? Really?
Sorry guys, but that was an ignorant statement that I couldn't let pass.
Let me add that I do play on a 42" HD plasma but I prefer the 100" SD.

[trujunglist]

WTF, because someone is satisfied with SD they CAN'T AFFORD and HDTV....are you serious? Really? And you going from a 13" SD to a 37" HD makes you an expert? Really?
Sorry guys, but that was an ignorant statement that I couldn't let pass.
Let me add that I do play on a 42" HD plasma but I prefer the 100" SD.

did I say I was an expert on TVs? you're an ignorant statement. I was relaying my experience. soooo sorry to offend you and your inferior eyes.

[GreggerG]

Woah tru...I can't imagine playing a current gen console on a 13 inch SD TV. I can't imagine playing anything newer than a SNES on a 13 inch SD TV. I had an 11 incher in my bedroom (snicker) when I had my Atari 2600 and NES way back in the day but since the days of SNES I've had at least a 19 inch screen.

The SD to HD conversion isn't 'hype' by any stretch of the imagination.

I played on a 27" SD TV when I first got my 360 but had a hard time seeing text in some games and finally decided to upgrade to a 40" 1080p LCD about 18 months ago. HUGE difference; like night and day. I just upgraded again, from the 40" 1080p to a 52" 1080p and that was not as huge of an improvement but it still is a noticeable one - no more squinting when sitting on the couch 10 feet away to see what's coming at me in the distance. Now I just need to raise the wall mount a bit so it doesn't look so low.

And when it comes to surround sound, I have only a 5.1 system but it still does 2 things. It gives me an advantage when an enemy I don't or can't see starts shooting at me - I can instantly recognize the direction it's coming from and react accordingly. And it creates much better ambiance, specifically in horror type games.

[Cigolorp]

WTF, because someone is satisfied with SD they CAN'T AFFORD and HDTV....are you serious? Really? And you going from a 13" SD to a 37" HD makes you an expert? Really?
Sorry guys, but that was an ignorant statement that I couldn't let pass.
Let me add that I do play on a 42" HD plasma but I prefer the 100" SD.

I've played on a SD projector, and while it does work, there's no way I'd choose that over an HD display, in most cases. Displays all come down to viewing distance, so if you sit far enough away from the projected image, it can be adequate, but on the one that I've played on a few times, the pixels are so huge that you can literally go up to the wall and stick your finger on the display and only cover up a very few pixels.

Everyone's different. Some people want the size, some people want the clarity. A lot of people can't afford both. But again, it comes down to viewing distance. I'd much rather play on my 23" HD display than on a blown up SD because I'd be sitting directly in front of the monitor. Some people would prefer the other way around. But I'll say this: you're really missing out if you're gaming in SD. The detail that you are losing is immense. The level of immersion that you will gain by moving to HD is well worth it.

[hlcc]

games on 480P just looks downright nasty, definitely HD all the way

[ssjmichael]

HD hype, lol. I nominate that for the stupidest comment of the week.

[trujunglist]

I played on a 27" SD TV when I first got my 360 but had a hard time seeing text in some games and finally decided to upgrade to a 40" 1080p LCD about 18 months ago.

yeah, even on my roommate's 27" the text was virtually impossible to read. the 13" text was absolutely unreadable. not to mention that the tv reset to a crazy red-biased color scheme every time I turned it off and I had to spend like 5 minutes changing settings to get it to look even halfway decent. the clear as crystal text thing is really insane.

[jdig]

falling into the hype of HD?

I'm still not going to 'upgrade'.

If you are playing PS3 (an HD output device) into a small SDtv, you are not getting your money's worth from your PS3. I only recently purchased both an HDTV and then a PS3. I could not justify purchasing an advanced game system without fully utilizing it, so I waited until I had the right TV. If you switch to HDTV it is like putting on glasses for the first time.

I know they aren't cheap, but the PS3 cost you at least $300 and that's not cheap either. I got a 37"" 1080p tv for like $400. If you value your PS3 gaming experience at all, I would recommend making the leap.

[dubmang]

so ive always had a 31" crt style tv... then during black friday i gave in and got a 56" DLP at a overstock warehouse for 400$... watchin basic cable and playnig xbox 360 on it was 'ok'

UNTIL LAST NITE!
i gave in and got the hd reciever for the cable and an hdmi cable for the xbox and OMGHI2U its like nite/day!!

[SolarFreon]

tru i think mike was just stating that your comment about

"Anyone that says SD is good enough just can't afford an HDTV,"

Stating that someone's preference is because they can't afford something sounds a little ignorant. I can't imagine gaming in SD, but I don't knock those want to.

[.mike.]

65" DLP HDTV

http://www.mikeharan.net/temp/IMG_1581_resize.jpg

[Jclnas]

Haven't gamed on an SDTV since the new Gen came out.

Currently playing on a samsung 52inch lcd, vizio 42 inch plasma or a vizio 42 inch LCD.

Couldn't imagine not taking advantage of the systems potential.

[JerodKing]

I went from a 19" Admiral (Montgomery Ward brand) that didn't even have AV inputs. I had to run my 360 through a VCR (also Admiral haha) that hasn't been able to play tapes in years but could still power on and then run coaxial cable to my TV. Reading text in GTA4 on the cell phone was damn near impossible. I now game on a 26" 720P in my bedroom and the difference is huge, even though it's really not much bigger than a 19" SD tv.

When I hook up my 360 to my roommates 1080P 120Hz Samsung that's where it really looks the best. There is definitely no hype in HD.

[SkeezaPleez]

I've been playing HD for about 7 months now. When I go to my cousins house for a gaming session I can notice the difference because he's only got a 37" tube tv, no hd or anything. His TV was beautiful when he bought it new, but now I can definitely tell the difference between my 42" HD and his 37" SD. There is no comparison. I hate going back to it. :lol:

[IPT]

:evillaf:

I love the move.. might be putting in my order for a Halladay jersey pretty soon :bounce:
its all good, they just destroyed their rotation though lol
Halladay and...who?
Hamels?
Happ?

I don't really see how this deal helped them at all, minus the fact it was reported they were far apart from Lee and was gonna lose him

And i don't game on Non HD for consoles anymore
The 4:3 ratio and the lack of full clarity/detail ruins it for me these days lol
Play on a 32" Panny 720p or a 52" Sharp 1080p Aquos

[mikemcclain8]

tru i think mike was just stating that your comment about

"Anyone that says SD is good enough just can't afford an HDTV,"

Stating that someone's preference is because they can't afford something sounds a little ignorant. I can't imagine gaming in SD, but I don't knock those want to.

Thank you for clarifying. Every time I try to delete everything except the statement I want to address, it ends up looking garbled.

[Kramer!]

32'' 1080p Vizio :rock:

[godfather927]

WTF, because someone is satisfied with SD they CAN'T AFFORD and HDTV....are you serious? Really? And you going from a 13" SD to a 37" HD makes you an expert? Really?
Sorry guys, but that was an ignorant statement that I couldn't let pass.
Let me add that I do play on a 42" HD plasma but I prefer the 100" SD.

i chuckled at reading those two sentences in such close proximity... :shake:

[trujunglist]

tru i think mike was just stating that your comment about

"Anyone that says SD is good enough just can't afford an HDTV,"

Stating that someone's preference is because they can't afford something sounds a little ignorant. I can't imagine gaming in SD, but I don't knock those want to.

I know exactly what he was saying. I stand by my statement. When compared to HD, SD is NOT good enough. What would make you not get an HDTV other than funding knowing that you aren't getting anywhere near your moneys worth in SD? I guess if you were some sort of technophobe? But then you wouldn't have any devices capable of doing HD anyway. I don't know anyone that given the choice would choose SD over HD given a comparable screen size, except for mike I guess.

[ssjmichael]

If I had a 55" SD television for instance, it'd be a hard decision to get an HDTV. Not because I couldn't afford one, but rather the fact that I'd be "throwing away" a huge (and perfectly working) television. That's just one example of where the "can't afford it" argument falls flat. I'm sure there are many products out there that are significantly better than the ones we own, but that doesn't mean we're not getting them because we can't afford them.

[trujunglist]

If I had a 55" SD television for instance, it'd be a hard decision to get an HDTV. Not because I couldn't afford one, but rather the fact that I'd be "throwing away" a huge (and perfectly working) television. That's just one example of where the "can't afford it" argument falls flat. I'm sure there are many products out there that are significantly better than the ones we own, but that doesn't mean we're not getting them because we can't afford them.

why is it a hard decision? a 55" old skool SD TV is HUGE, heavy, power hungry, and still doesn't have the picture quality. you can hardly give away such a TV on craigslist. it's trash.. if you can afford it, you're not wasting anything, because it's like saying buying a DVD player is wasting money if you have VHS. move your VHS/shitty SD tv to the kids room.

[Roland Deschain]

to the OP...

do these replies answer your question? :lol:

[Shack314]

OP, do yourself a favor and upgrade to HD. Your eyes will thank you. I'm assuming you've never played on HD, since you're calling it hype. But once you play on HD you will never want to go back to SD. I played my PS3 in SD for about 3 months until I bought a 40-inch LCD, and I don't regret any part of that decision b/c the picture is so much better. One thing I did notice and don't quite understand is why the SD picture on 360 is so much better than the SD picture on PS3.

Keep visiting slickdeals and you should be able to find a HD monitor in your price range. I found a 19-inch for about $85 during the summer and it works fine for me as a second gaming television. You'll just need to pick up a DVI to HDMI cable from monoprice for about $5.

[ssjmichael]

why is it a hard decision? a 55" old skool SD TV is HUGE, heavy, power hungry, and still doesn't have the picture quality. you can hardly give away such a TV on craigslist. it's trash.. if you can afford it, you're not wasting anything, because it's like saying buying a DVD player is wasting money if you have VHS. move your VHS/shitty SD tv to the kids room.

I guess I should say I'm thinking from the perspective of someone living in an apartment, lol. It'd just be hard as hell to get rid of such a huge tv. And part of me would feel bad for throwing out a tv that's served me well for years, but I tend to hold on to things. My point is you can't just say its that they can't afford to upgrade for 100% of people out there.

[Roland Deschain]

I guess I should say I'm thinking from the perspective of someone living in an apartment, lol. It'd just be hard as hell to get rid of such a huge tv. And part of me would feel bad for throwing out a tv that's served me well for years, but I tend to hold on to things. My point is you can't just say its that they can't afford to upgrade for 100% of people out there.


i hear ya dude..throwing out a large tv like that would definitely feel wasteful to me as well.

[alexpkeaton529]

threads like these make me weep. I am still playing my ps2 on a 26" SD tv. I have had this tv for at least six years, and who knows how long my parents were using it before that.

Just last night my fiancee and I were playing little big planet on it and you can see various lines and shapes moving across the screen because the composite cable hook ups are going I think. Every minute or so the image has begun to stutter or flicker for a a second and then go back to normal. did I mention it only has a video and one audio hook up. when we watch a movie or something I have to turn the volume up on the television because as of right now I am pretty sure you cant set the audio output to mono.

It didnt help that we went to best buy yesterday and sat down for a minute or two in their home theater area. I saw a little bit of the dark night on a 72" television and was in awe.

I have told my fiancee that as soon as I start my internship (not until spring 2011) the first thing I buy will be a new television, but at the rate this current tv is going I dont think it will make it that far.

The only problem I see with purchasing a new tv is the fact that I might be compelled yo purchase HD television since apparently standard television looks worse on an HD tv. We'll see, the day you log in here and see a thread titled "IT HAS FINALLY HAPPENED . . . YESSSSSSSSSSSS!" You will know what happened.

[trujunglist]

I guess I should say I'm thinking from the perspective of someone living in an apartment, lol. It'd just be hard as hell to get rid of such a huge tv. And part of me would feel bad for throwing out a tv that's served me well for years, but I tend to hold on to things. My point is you can't just say its that they can't afford to upgrade for 100% of people out there.

conceded I guess....

I do that too... but I usually just stash it in the closet or something so I don't feel as bad. or give it to someone.
see, for me, living in an apt, I found it difficult to nearly impossible to move a 33" or so SD tv, so I can't even imagine trying to move a 55". The thing was a beast. it didn't help that it was already partially broken (the outer shell was partially damaged) when I got it for free from my roommate's boss (my ex sold my other TV). when I was carrying it to my car when I was moving, I struggled BIG time, and I'm not a little guy. when I finally got it to my car, the entire thing literally exploded due to all the cracks and pressures and what not in the outer shell when I set it down. I then took it out of my car, laid it on the street, and started smashing the shit out of what was left of it. that's why I was left with a 13" tv :)
moving a 37" Vizio compared to that is like walking on clouds.

[godfather927]

Played my 360 and then my ps3 for a few months on a 27" SD tube tv. I didn't mind it at the time but once I got my 60" HDTV I almost wanted to go back and play all the games I beat while playing on the SD TV just because I felt like I didn't really experience them in all their glory.

[IPT]

i hear ya dude..throwing out a large tv like that would definitely feel wasteful to me as well.
i threw out a 35" Sony Tube TV, was a bitch carrying that shit down 2 flights of stairs and down my long ass driveway to the curb.
The farking thing must have weighed at least 100 lbs

[zamac_man]

HD, it is no hype at all.

[desrtrnnr]

i threw out a 35" Sony Tube TV, was a bitch carrying that shit down 2 flights of stairs and down my long ass driveway to the curb.
The farking thing must have weighed at least 100 lbs

lightweight.. my 34" widescreen CRT HD Sony weighs abour 200lbs.. but its the best picture i've ever seen playing games

[JerodKing]

When I sold electronics way back in the day before college (circa 2002-2003) CRT HDTV's from Sony (especially the XBR series) had a picture that the plasmas and other tv's couldn't compare too. I've seen many nice sets, but I still think they had the best picture quality I've ever seen.

[desrtrnnr]

When I sold electronics way back in the day before college (circa 2002-2003) CRT HDTV's from Sony (especially the XBR series) had a picture that the plasmas and other tv's couldn't compare too. I've seen many nice sets, but I still think they had the best picture quality I've ever seen.

i havent gamed on the 240 hz yet but i've seen everything up to 120 hz and the CRT still has the best picture

[Goshdarnit]

HD hype, lol. I nominate that for the stupidest comment of the week.

You have my vote.

I play PS2 on 36" SDTV in stereo (recline very close to TV), PS3 on 50" plasma with 5.1 and PS3 on 120" in 7.1

The 120" 7.1 system is much more immersive than the others. Bigger screens, higher resolutions and enveloping sound make a significant difference.

[Cigolorp]

lightweight.. my 34" widescreen CRT HD Sony weighs abour 200lbs.. but its the best picture i've ever seen playing games

I think my 30 Panasonic weighs around 140, I can't imagine 200. Heh, I'd probably have to reinforce the floor if mine weighed that much. I agree with you about the CRT pics - it's one reason why I can't dump mine. The Sonys were top of the line - don't let that thing go.

[Roland Deschain]

conceded I guess....

I do that too... but I usually just stash it in the closet or something so I don't feel as bad. or give it to someone.
see, for me, living in an apt, I found it difficult to nearly impossible to move a 33" or so SD tv, so I can't even imagine trying to move a 55". The thing was a beast. it didn't help that it was already partially broken (the outer shell was partially damaged) when I got it for free from my roommate's boss (my ex sold my other TV). when I was carrying it to my car when I was moving, I struggled BIG time, and I'm not a little guy. when I finally got it to my car, the entire thing literally exploded due to all the cracks and pressures and what not in the outer shell when I set it down. I then took it out of my car, laid it on the street, and started smashing the shit out of what was left of it. that's why I was left with a 13" tv :)
moving a 37" Vizio compared to that is like walking on clouds.

:lol:

that totally makes me think of the movie "Office Space" and the scene where the main charachters go gangsta on the printer/fax.

[Kevfactor]

i thought my 900$ 40 inch hdtv was a little pricy at 1st. however well worth it

i got my pc, ps3 and cable hooked to it. really one of the best purchases ive mad ina while hehe

[Kevfactor]

i hear ya dude..throwing out a large tv like that would definitely feel wasteful to me as well.

wouldn't take it to good will, i work at good will

large tvs= straight to the compactor. at least you'll entertain me for 5 misn because i love seeing those tvs explode as it gets crushed hehe

really after moving id never have a big tv again lol. my 40 inch tv was easier to move than an old 25 inch crt tv =p

[Moeyyy]

47" 1080p LCD.
Played at a friends on his 32" SDtv, it was terrible.

[hlcc]

If I had a 55" SD television for instance, it'd be a hard decision to get an HDTV. Not because I couldn't afford one, but rather the fact that I'd be "throwing away" a huge (and perfectly working) television. That's just one example of where the "can't afford it" argument falls flat. I'm sure there are many products out there that are significantly better than the ones we own, but that doesn't mean we're not getting them because we can't afford them.

probably because I've been a PC gamer for so long but I care much much much more about resolution of a screen than the size. I'd take a 24" 1080/1200 set over a 100" 480 projector everytime.

[ravine33]

I play on my 26" 1080p Monitor/HDTV. Awesomeness.

I am now amazed whenever I see anyone with a SDTV.

[Phrozt]

Gaming on a sammy 61" in HD of course:

http://phroztnet.org/me/sdshirt111908.jpg

[V0RT3X]

Gaming on a sammy 61" in HD of course:



Is that the LED model or just regular bulb? I got the same one as you if you got the LED model

[Phrozt]

It's a DLP:
http://www.y2incusa.com/61samsungdlphdtvhlt6156.aspx

[V0RT3X]

It's a DLP:
http://www.y2incusa.com/61samsungdlphdtvhlt6156.aspx

I know it's DLP, but samsung also has a LED backlit DLP which is different that the standard bulb version

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HL61A750-61-Inch-1080p-Powered/dp/B001415FIG

[GodSentDeath]

Bedroom: 40 inch samsung 1080p 120hz

Living Room: In72 Projector with a 90 inch screen.

Projector makes rockband parties easier.

[orangejuice513]

I remember the first time playing a game in HD - it was Halo 3. I remember seeing the butterflies and fine grass strands on one of the levels. I was in awe at the detail and clarity.
I got my PS3 about a year and a half ago. At the time, I only had a 20" SDTV. It was alright but I knew that I had to get an HDTV. 3 months later, my roommate and I split a 37" Vizio. Best purchase I've ever made. I now refuse to hook my PS3 up to a SDTV, even if it means not playing it.

[Parafly9]

I've got a 58" Samsung Plasma :P

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/Parafly9/IMG_0910.jpg

This is before it was wall-mounted :woot:

Gaming on a sammy 61" in HD of course:

http://phroztnet.org/me/sdshirt111908.jpg


I can't believe you have a Slickdeals T-shirt, hahahaha :)

[Phrozt]

I can't believe you have a Slickdeals T-shirt, hahahaha :)

Heh.. actually I got that free in a giveaway, but part of the terms were to post a picture of yourself wearing the shirt after you got it. I took it in front of RB to represent the GL :).

That being said, I actually like the shirt. I wear a lot of simplistic black shirts (bad religion/Pennywise/wtfever), so it fits right in w/my very poor sense of style. I like the design too tho... it's the SD logo w/a little devil tail (the giveaway was during Halloween last year) and I do tell people about $D from time to time, so I'm more than happy to advertise for them :).

[windyhillsurfer]

i had a 27" crt sd piece of junk for the first few months of having my ps3, and was ok with it. I took the ps3 back to my parents house to a 50" hdtv and immediately logged on to slickdeals and began hunting. I finally convinced my other half to let me get a new tv for the bedroom to replace the 20" crt and couldn't have made a better choice. Now I have it rigged so the ps3 is hooked up to the living room and bedroom tv. now i just gotta work on a tv in the bathroom

[IAmNotFromCAG]

Well, I had the pleasure of hooking up a PS3 to our previous 37" SDTV and it was awesome at the time.
Now I play on a 22" Monitor and a 46" HDTV... I've got to say even my monitor blew the SDTV away.
The SDTV will look okay until you've stepped into the light of HD, then there will be no turning back @_@
Unless you actually watch TV I'd say go with a 24" Monitor, most are around the price point you're asking and most will be 1080p... though you might need to get yourself some speakers in the process.

I've been looking at an Acer 21.5" LCD(which is full HD) monitor from Target, which is $159 currently. But I'm too cheap to buy it at that price. I want it for about $120 after tax. Of course, I also refuse to pay for one of those 'X off of 100' coupons from the sites you have to pay for a code from, so I guess I'm SOL.

The monitor does have some tinny little speakers on it, but it has an audio in jack, so I could probably just plug in some better speakers to fix that issue. I believe it comes with an HDMI port AND a DVI-D with HDCP.

But like I said, my current tv is still good enough and I'm just too cheap to spend the $160 plus tax on it.:lol:

I was looking at that Samsung LCD monitor/Logitech keyboard combo that someone listed at $190 from Dell.com about 2 weeks ago, but $190 is just too much especially since I'd have needed an external sound source and a DVI-D/HDMI adapter to make it work for my system.

And dayv, I didn't know how to put up a poll, so that's why there is none.

[Roland Deschain]

now i just gotta work on a tv in the bathroom


Duude...I would love that.

grunting on my throne, watching some tv on my wall mounted flat screen. :lmao:

no way in hell my wife would go for that.

[Phrozt]

wtf ppl.. I don't understand taking a long time to poo. Why in the world would you want to sit in thick stank for that long????

[IAmNotFromCAG]

I know exactly what he was saying. I stand by my statement. When compared to HD, SD is NOT good enough. What would make you not get an HDTV other than funding knowing that you aren't getting anywhere near your moneys worth in SD? I guess if you were some sort of technophobe? But then you wouldn't have any devices capable of doing HD anyway. I don't know anyone that given the choice would choose SD over HD given a comparable screen size, except for mike I guess.

Well, it's not that I don't really 100% want to 'upgrade', but the price and the fact that I have two working SDtv's kind of puts the brakes on 'upgrading'.

I was raised in a household that you don't buy something new until what you have is 100% broke and unrepairable. I just basically refuse to buy something new until what I have is 100% broke.

As for not seeing the full picture and definition and what not, I still see a good portion of it on my 20", as I have been quite amazed by the level of detail in some of the current games.

Do I really care if I'm 'missing out' on some of the content in these newer games by not being on an HDtv? Not really. As long as they're fun to play, that's all that matters. I really don't need to see the full detail of every game to enjoy them.

[godfather927]

Duude...I would love that.

grunting on my throne, watching some tv on my wall mounted flat screen. :lmao:

no way in hell my wife would go for that.

My gf was actually for the idea since she'd be able to watch/listen to the news in the morning while she does her hair and gets ready for work.

wtf ppl.. I don't understand taking a long time to poo. Why in the world would you want to sit in thick stank for that long????

In my case, I eventually want to mount a 32" or 37" on the wall across from the bathtub so I have something to watch whenever I need to take a bath (got the idea from the Venetian Hotel in Vegas. Not exactly a practical way to spend $400 but it looks sweet.)

And yes I do take baths on occasion, especially if im sore after soccer/softball/football. Yes I realize this makes me a woman, but I dont care since a hot bath after your a little banged up really helps with muscle pulls and general soreness, etc.

[trujunglist]

Well, it's not that I don't really 100% want to 'upgrade', but the price and the fact that I have two working SDtv's kind of puts the brakes on 'upgrading'.

I was raised in a household that you don't buy something new until what you have is 100% broke and unrepairable. I just basically refuse to buy something new until what I have is 100% broke.

As for not seeing the full picture and definition and what not, I still see a good portion of it on my 20", as I have been quite amazed by the level of detail in some of the current games.

Do I really care if I'm 'missing out' on some of the content in these newer games by not being on an HDtv? Not really. As long as they're fun to play, that's all that matters. I really don't need to see the full detail of every game to enjoy them.

well I have 2 working VHS' but that didn't stop me from buying a DVD player. to each his own though - if you don't think it's worth it than I guess it isn't worth it. you're just not getting the bigger picture.. literally.

[desrtrnnr]

just watch craigslist.. you can pick up a used sony CRT HDTV for cheap now.. and they last forever and have some of the best pictures you can get.. the only downside is the size and weight.. i bought mine for $200

[IAmNotFromCAG]

well I have 2 working VHS' but that didn't stop me from buying a DVD player. to each his own though - if you don't think it's worth it than I guess it isn't worth it. you're just not getting the bigger picture.. literally.

I didn't really say it's not worth it, but just that I've seen HD programming before and after the initial gasping over the nicer picture you see the pricetag on it and go 'wtf'. At least everybody in my family does.

And, as I said in the post you quoted, I was raised in a household where you didn't just 'upgrade' to something new when what you had wasn't 100% shot.

If/when a deal comes round that allows me to get an HDtv for my price($200 or less) and in the size I only need(20-26"), then I might consider it, but only if my current tv were on its last legs by then.

And desrtmnr, I've been checking CL and people still want $300-500 for their CRT HDtv's on there when they're selling them. There's no way in hell I'll pay someone that much for a used tv.

[Cigolorp]

well I have 2 working VHS' but that didn't stop me from buying a DVD player. to each his own though - if you don't think it's worth it than I guess it isn't worth it. you're just not getting the bigger picture.. literally.

Beat me to it. In that case, if you're not gaming on an NES or Atari, then you're probably not holding true to your upbringing. And if you are gaming on an NES, then problem solved.

[IAmNotFromCAG]

Beat me to it. In that case, if you're not gaming on an NES or Atari, then you're probably not holding true to your upbringing. And if you are gaming on an NES, then problem solved.

:lmao: How did I know someone would say 'zomg you're not holding true to your upbringing if you're playing on a PS3 instead of an Atari or NES'?

I never said anywhere that I haven't upgraded other things, but paying out the ass for a tv when I watch so little of it in the first place is stupid when I have one that works just fine for what I use it for.:nod:

Why must every topic about this subject on the interwebs turn into an elitist argument over how I'm 'zomg blind' or 'not using my system to its fullest potential'.

I have zero intentions on using my PS3 as anything other than a GAME console. I don't care about the Blu-Ray versions of movies. I don't give a shit to stream stuff from my computer or someplace like Netflix or other sites. I don't care to put pictures on my PS3. I don't want to surf the internet with it(have a PC for that).

So for what I use it for, the SDtv I have is fine for me. If a cheap enough option comes along to 'upgrade' when my tv is on its last legs, then I might consider it.

Or I might just buy a used SDtv for $25-30 and use that one till it dies instead of squandering $200+ on a tv/monitor.:P

I do apologize for saying the HD thing is 'hype'. If it's what YOU enjoy, so be it, but quit being so farkin' elitist towards those of us who are budget minded and don't give a shit about HD. I still enjoy my games, even though I'm on an SDtv, and that's all that matters, right?

[SolarFreon]

wtf ppl.. I don't understand taking a long time to poo. Why in the world would you want to sit in thick stank for that long????

quoted for the truth! get in, do your biz and get out.

[neilp4453]

Well, it's not that I don't really 100% want to 'upgrade', but the price and the fact that I have two working SDtv's kind of puts the brakes on 'upgrading'.

I was raised in a household that you don't buy something new until what you have is 100% broke and unrepairable. I just basically refuse to buy something new until what I have is 100% broke.

As for not seeing the full picture and definition and what not, I still see a good portion of it on my 20", as I have been quite amazed by the level of detail in some of the current games.

Do I really care if I'm 'missing out' on some of the content in these newer games by not being on an HDtv? Not really. As long as they're fun to play, that's all that matters. I really don't need to see the full detail of every game to enjoy them.

I come from a similar family. Fortunately for me, our SDTVs were very old so our new tvs were naturally HDTVs. Though....100% broken to replace something goes too for imo.

The upgrade is worth it. You don't need the best HDTV out there either. Get a cheap 32incher with 720p and you are good to go. Sure, the detail is great....but the quality of the video improves drastically if you are able to get some sort of hd feed. I am talking about no fuzz which was one of my biggest pet peeves.

If that is what you stand by, then that is what you stand by...but you just aren't getting the bang for the buck. You don't need to spend 1000s of bucks to get a good tv. I see great deals on this site all the time for 300 or less.

[IAmNotFromCAG]

I come from a similar family. Fortunately for me, our SDTVs were very old so our new tvs were naturally HDTVs. Though....100% broken to replace something goes too for imo.

The upgrade is worth it. You don't need the best HDTV out there either. Get a cheap 32incher with 720p and you are good to go. Sure, the detail is great....but the quality of the video improves drastically if you are able to get some sort of hd feed. I am talking about no fuzz which was one of my biggest pet peeves.

If that is what you stand by, then that is what you stand by...but you just aren't getting the bang for the buck. You don't need to spend 1000s of bucks to get a good tv. I see great deals on this site all the time for 300 or less.

But therein lies the other issue. My family is content with basic cable and we even consider it too much for what shitty programs they give you. No one watches sports in my household, yet there's 5-7 sport channels that are included in virtually EVERY package.:vomit:

To upgrade to an HD/digital cable signal would cost another $20 or so a month, money which would be better spent on other things.:nod:

For what I watch(2-3 hours of either Discovery, History Channel or Adult Swim per day at most)it'd never be worth it for me.:mad:

As for the no fuzz thing, I grew up in the era of 3-5 local channels(at most) and messing with the rabbit ear antennas on your tv to bring in each channel clear enough to watch, so I'm used to it by now.

As long as the tv picture is visible and doesn't keep cutting out every other second, I'm fine with it.:P

[trujunglist]

I didn't really say it's not worth it, but just that I've seen HD programming before and after the initial gasping over the nicer picture you see the pricetag on it and go 'wtf'. At least everybody in my family does.

And, as I said in the post you quoted, I was raised in a household where you didn't just 'upgrade' to something new when what you had wasn't 100% shot.

If/when a deal comes round that allows me to get an HDtv for my price($200 or less) and in the size I only need(20-26"), then I might consider it, but only if my current tv were on its last legs by then.

And desrtmnr, I've been checking CL and people still want $300-500 for their CRT HDtv's on there when they're selling them. There's no way in hell I'll pay someone that much for a used tv.

well you're a very frugal person to believe that this isn't a real upgrade but an "upgrade." no, this is a real upgrade, not an "upgrade." there is a significant difference in quality. cassette to CD, VHS to DVD, SD to HD... kind of all along the same line. I understand the whole wearing something out until it can't be used anymore, but with that line of thinking you could still use your cassette player and never have a CD player, or hey, even a black and white TV would work just fine.. forget all that fancy color. that's my opinion anyway - maybe you didn't see a huge difference like I did going from SD to HD on the 360.
again, I totally understand where you're coming from... it's a big and expensive purchase, no two ways around it. in my case I probably would have waited had my ex not sold my TV, or the other TV hadn't basically exploded when moving. I am very glad though that I got the HDTV. I never watch TV - I don't even have cable - but it's great for gaming and movies.
sorry, didn't mean to sound elitist. continue.

[TheBsEr]

haha seems like everyones using HD

[JonRasty]

It has been said a couple times but I think the comparison of VHS to DVD is pretty similar. The first time I saw DVD I couldn't say I was all that impressed but looking back and watching a VHS now would just be unbearable, especially after watching movies in HD. Same thing happened with my Sennheiser headphones, at first you may not notice the difference but now I can't even listen to FM radio in my car cause the quality of my speakers and the music quality just isn't that great.

Somethings you just don't realize how good upgraded equipment is until you fully experience it and go back to what used to be good. But sometimes ignorance is bliss, if you feel like you aren't missing out than nobody is going force you to upgrade.

[ravine33]

I find it funny that this thread is turning more into a "let's convince this guy to go HD!" than "who got HD or SD." Seriously OP, no one can MAKE you upgrade to HD. But it's something you should REALLY consider. If you don't think you can afford it, you could start saving up little by little. I've eaten out a lot less and am scavenging for free or cheap food lately because of how much I spent during Black Friday. If you just like to hold on to your cash, well then, what else were you saving up for anyway? You could technically try to sell you SDTV, see if anyone will take it to reduce the financial burden of a new TV. Anyway, be sure to consider the Samsung TOC monitor HDTVs. They double up as a monitor and a TV, so you can use it dual purpose, to make the cost less painful.

But if you really just want to keep with your SD, then that's fine too. After all, games like Tetris and Pacman have entertained us way before graphics were amazing as today. But here's the thing, once you go HD, you'll never turn back. SD becomes the equivalent of your grandma's black and white set...

[robodaddy-o]

Downstairs, 57" rear-DLP that we bought way before we got our first PS3 and upstairs got a 40" 120Hz LCD that we got after the second PS3. Looking for a good enough reason to put my foot through the 57" so that I can get a 65" 240Hz LCD. LOL

[IAmNotFromCAG]

It has been said a couple times but I think the comparison of VHS to DVD is pretty similar. The first time I saw DVD I couldn't say I was all that impressed but looking back and watching a VHS now would just be unbearable, especially after watching movies in HD. Same thing happened with my Sennheiser headphones, at first you may not notice the difference but now I can't even listen to FM radio in my car cause the quality of my speakers and the music quality just isn't that great.

Somethings you just don't realize how good upgraded equipment is until you fully experience it and go back to what used to be good. But sometimes ignorance is bliss, if you feel like you aren't missing out than nobody is going force you to upgrade.

LOL Ignorance is bliss. I love the attitude people give when you say you're still gaming on an SDtv and you don't care for HD.

First of all, the shit's too expensive and I'm not giving up on enjoying other things to save up for a $600+ dust collector that I'll barely use outside of a little tv watching and some gaming time. Second, I'm fine with DVD and I don't buy that many movies to begin with. Third, I would NEVER use my GAME console to play movies. It's a waste of it's lens power, as I have a DVD player for that. Lastly, I would never pay over $5 for a pair of headphones, but if that's your thing then so be it.

Stop trying to 'convince' me that I'm 'blind', 'deaf' or otherwise impaired because I don't like the same ridiculously overpriced shit like you do. It's called having a different opinion. I've seen HDtv and HD programming and I've seen Blu-Ray movies and I've tried out those expensive headphones. For the added price, none of them are worth it to me.


I find it funny that this thread is turning more into a "let's convince this guy to go HD!" than "who got HD or SD." Seriously OP, no one can MAKE you upgrade to HD. But it's something you should REALLY consider. If you don't think you can afford it, you could start saving up little by little. I've eaten out a lot less and am scavenging for free or cheap food lately because of how much I spent during Black Friday. If you just like to hold on to your cash, well then, what else were you saving up for anyway? You could technically try to sell you SDTV, see if anyone will take it to reduce the financial burden of a new TV. Anyway, be sure to consider the Samsung TOC monitor HDTVs. They double up as a monitor and a TV, so you can use it dual purpose, to make the cost less painful.

But if you really just want to keep with your SD, then that's fine too. After all, games like Tetris and Pacman have entertained us way before graphics were amazing as today. But here's the thing, once you go HD, you'll never turn back. SD becomes the equivalent of your grandma's black and white set...

See above. As for 'once I go HD I'll never turn back', the thing is there aren't that many places that sell SDtv's anymore anyway. So I'll have NO CHOICE but to either forgo having a tv at all or pay the ridiculous prices they want for an HDtv once mine goes.:rolleyes:

The only place I know of that still sells SDtv's is WalMart and those are 27" ones, which are actually too big for my liking. I have a small room I game in, so I really don't need a 70" monster tv.

[PhoenixFP]

I have a 20" tube SDTV that I game on when I'm at home. Since I'm playing older PS2/GCN games, I don't mind.

Compared to my 19" LCD "HD"TV I have, the picture looks better. Maybe if I was using a 360 or PS3 it would look better in HD, but so far I'm finding the SD picture to be more in line.

[trujunglist]

if you didn't want hard questions and statements then why did you write your original post with such aggressively anti-HD overtones?

yes, we all agree with you. HD sucks! hoo-rah! you're like 1 out of 100 who feels that way, and it's basically only because of price but veiled behind other reasons like not wanting to be wasteful. :lol:

Internet forums are for discussion, your opinion is for discussion since you made it the topic. We want you to have the BEST experience and are trying to convince you that you could be mistaken, whether we say it sarcastically or nicely based upon your original post. All you care about is cost. Cost ain't comin' down that fast, so you're SOL. No one is going to pity you when you finally have to pony up; we all probably ended up paying more!

/thread

[IAmNotFromCAG]

if you didn't want hard questions and statements then why did you write your original post with such aggressively anti-HD overtones?

yes, we all agree with you. HD sucks! hoo-rah! you're like 1 out of 100 who feels that way, and it's basically only because of price but veiled behind other reasons like not wanting to be wasteful. :lol:

Internet forums are for discussion, your opinion is for discussion since you made it the topic. We want you to have the BEST experience and are trying to convince you that you could be mistaken, whether we say it sarcastically or nicely based upon your original post. All you care about is cost. Cost ain't comin' down that fast, so you're SOL. No one is going to pity you when you finally have to pony up; we all probably ended up paying more!

/thread

Well, no one really had to take those 'anti-HD overtones' so personally. I didn't come into your homes and slap your significant other(s), did I?

So why get so offended over it?

Every time I try to discuss this rationally with people who already own an HDtv I get the same responses, with many of them sounding arrogant and angry.

I mean, yes, I did make statements that may make me seem 'anti-HD', but how long has the tech been out? Prices should've definitely dropped a bit more significantly than they have by now.

As far as me having the best experience and 'thinly veiling my disdain for it due to price but claiming it's due to not wanting to be wasteful', it's quite hilarious that others seem to want to speak for me and tell me what I 'need'.

I need to use my current tv until it's broken and not waste money on a tv. I get the best experience for my money on my current tv.

[huskercub]

My e-penis is larger than all of yours. Just saying.

And I game (PC & PS3) on a 46" Samsung 1080p LCD. It hardly gets TV watching done on it which is sad considering the fact that it was bought for that purpose.

[IAmNotFromCAG]

My e-penis is larger than all of yours. Just saying.

And I game (PC & PS3) on a 46" Samsung 1080p LCD. It hardly gets TV watching done on it which is sad considering the fact that it was bought for that purpose.

LOL That's all these 'HD or SD' threads come down to in the end, is who has the bigger e-peen. Of course, that's usually to make up for a lack of it where it counts, but we won't get into that.:lmao:

Why does it always have to end up sounding like the HDtv people are telling those few of us with an SDtv still that we're 'missing out'.:shake:

I've already stated why I won't 'upgrade' and why to me a tv is a tv is a tv. I just want one that works as intended and lets me view the few programs I watch and lets me do so for the least bit of money.

Isn't that why we're all here? To get the cheapest deal on items we may want when we want them.

[czissis]

So I'll have NO CHOICE but to either forgo having a tv at all or pay the ridiculous prices they want for an HDtv once mine goes.:rolleyes:


Ridiculous prices?

I can't take you seriously with comments like this. 32" TVs start at like $300.

[czissis]

I've already stated why I won't 'upgrade' and why to me a tv is a tv is a tv. I just want one that works as intended and lets me view the few programs I watch and lets me do so for the least bit of money.


So are you still using a Pentium 1 computer? A computer is a computer, right?

If you want to be a luddite and hide from technology thats fine, but the rest of us are going to enjoy our HDTVs.

[IAmNotFromCAG]

So are you still using a Pentium 1 computer? A computer is a computer, right?

If you want to be a luddite and hide from technology thats fine, but the rest of us are going to enjoy our HDTVs.

The tv prices and the fact I don't need one are the reasons why I don't want an HDtv. I've upgraded other things(computer, video game system), but a tv isn't that essential to me anymore.

As for the ridiculous prices for tv's thing, see above. If I'm only using it maybe 4 hours a day, what's the sense in 'upgrading'?

[huskercub]

You're an awfully good troll. Did they tell you that on CAG as well?

[IAmNotFromCAG]

You're an awfully good troll. Did they tell you that on CAG as well?

Why is it that I'm a 'troll'? Because I don't upgrade or buy new until the item I'm replacing is nearly dead? Or because I'm not a sheeple and haven't paid $2k for a stupid tv just because the picture is prettier?:shake:

[huskercub]

Why is it that I'm a 'troll'? Because I don't upgrade or buy new until the item I'm replacing is nearly dead? Or because I'm not a sheeple and haven't paid $2k for a stupid tv just because the picture is prettier?:shake:

I only paid $1,100 and mine is stretched out over 36 months with no interest and no minimum payment. I still make the suggested minimum payment every month. I don't understand how $35 a month is killer? If you use it 4 hours a day then.

4 hours a day * 30ish days per month = 120 hours per month.

$35/120 = $0.30 cents an hour

Wow. HORRIBLY expensive!

& because you posted a thread asking people if they gamed on SD or HD and now you sit here and troll your own thread about how everyone is wasting their money on HD because it is no better. Have you considered a trip to the eye doctor?

[IAmNotFromCAG]

I only paid $1,100 and mine is stretched out over 36 months with no interest and no minimum payment. I still make the suggested minimum payment every month. I don't understand how $35 a month is killer? If you use it 4 hours a day then.

4 hours a day * 30ish days per month = 120 hours per month.

$35/120 = $0.30 cents an hour

Wow. HORRIBLY expensive!

& because you posted a thread asking people if they gamed on SD or HD and now you sit here and troll your own thread about how everyone is wasting their money on HD because it is no better. Have you considered a trip to the eye doctor?

I sit here and defend my position to the people who say I'm 'blind'(just as you did just now). If people wouldn't come in and try to convince someone who said they're happy or content with SD that they SHOULD upgrade or they need an eye exam for not seeing a difference, then I wouldn't be doing this now, now would I?

As for me, it's not that I don't see the difference, it's that I don't care about the difference. Give me a tv, any tv and don't price it $1200 or so. Is that so hard to understand?

I don't like making payments on stuff either.

[Moeyyy]

I sit here and defend my position to the people who say I'm 'blind'(just as you did just now). If people wouldn't come in and try to convince someone who said they're happy or content with SD that they SHOULD upgrade or they need an eye exam for not seeing a difference, then I wouldn't be doing this now, now would I?



Maybe you should stick to CAG....

Playing a game on a SDtv is terrible, the amount of things you miss is through the roof. Its like playing a computer game a below 800x600 with no eye candy on.

People here seem to be educated and get the most out of their purchases. Enjoy playing whatever console you have on your SDtv

[IAmNotFromCAG]

Maybe you should stick to CAG....

Playing a game on a SDtv is terrible, the amount of things you miss is through the roof. Its like playing a computer game a below 800x600 with no eye candy on.

People here seem to be educated and get the most out of their purchases. Enjoy playing whatever console you have on your SDtv

"Educated"? :D Riiiiiiiight. That's why they had to call me 'blind' in so many words for not wanting to go out and splurge on a new tv when the one I have is fine.

Why comment on what someone else has as being inadequate? I guess they're not happy with their own purchase(s) and must preach to someone else about the 'benefits' of spending $1k or so on a shiny new tv?

As for playing a game on an SDtv being 'terrible', it's what I've been doing since the 1980's when I got into gaming.

I play games to have FUN, not look at the farkin' eye candy.

If you play games to be wowed by the graphics, then you need to stop gaming, since graphics should be third after having games that aren't glitchy pieces of shit(which many being release nowadays are and are patched to hell to try and 'fix' them) and actually having those games be FUN.

And FYI, I DO enjoy playing my PS3 on my 20" SDtv. TYVM.

[bdunni]

I went from a 26" SD to a 23" 1080p monitor and even that was an improvement, especially if you sit close to it. Games today are designed to be played on high-def. I remember trying to play Dragon Rising on the old SD and I couldn't even do anything because the text was completely unreadable.

I'd say if you could pay 2-300 for the console and 50 for every game throw down 300 or so and at least get a 32" but I would recommend going as big as you can possibly afford.......I got a 50" a few weeks ago and I couldn't be happier....unless I had a 65".....haha

[Moeyyy]

"Educated"? :D Riiiiiiiight. That's why they had to call me 'blind' in so many words for not wanting to go out and splurge on a new tv when the one I have is fine.

Why comment on what someone else has as being inadequate? I guess they're not happy with their own purchase(s) and must preach to someone else about the 'benefits' of spending $1k or so on a shiny new tv?

As for playing a game on an SDtv being 'terrible', it's what I've been doing since the 1980's when I got into gaming.

I play games to have FUN, not look at the farkin' eye candy.

If you play games to be wowed by the graphics, then you need to stop gaming, since graphics should be third after having games that aren't glitchy pieces of shit(which many being release nowadays are and are patched to hell to try and 'fix' them) and actually having those games be FUN.

I dont know how you can reason things, but graphics have been expanding games throughout the beginning of gaming. You apparently don't seem to find a difference in games that are played in SD vs HD.

Go play some advanced 64bit games or something....those will utilize your fancy tv

[IAmNotFromCAG]

I went from a 26" SD to a 23" 1080p monitor and even that was an improvement, especially if you sit close to it. Games today are designed to be played on high-def. I remember trying to play Dragon Rising on the old SD and I couldn't even do anything because the text was completely unreadable.

I'd say if you could pay 2-300 for the console and 50 for every game throw down 300 or so and at least get a 32" but I would recommend going as big as you can possibly afford.......I got a 50" a few weeks ago and I couldn't be happier....unless I had a 65".....haha

Who pays MSRP for games anymore with sites like PriceGrabber, Ebay, SD and CAG out there?

As for the huge tv thing, I have a small room I play my PS3 in, so I don't need a huge and blinding tv. As to the text being unreadable on many games if you're not on an HDtv, there are still plenty of games on which the text is perfectly readable. It is those companies from which I will continue to buy games. The ones who programmed them specifically for the 15% or so who have HDtv's already will lose ANY business I was considering giving them.

Hell, even Sony only ships the PS3(a 'HD entertainment system by their own admission)with a composite cable. So even they understand that many people won't be needing an HD cable right out of the box.:nod:

I dont know how you can reason things, but graphics have been expanding games throughout the beginning of gaming. You apparently don't seem to find a difference in games that are played in SD vs HD.

Go play some advanced 64bit games or something....those will utilize your fancy tv

I just don't care. I didn't really say that I don't see a difference. And again, it comes down to a snide remark(my fancy tv)to try and get 'your point' across.:lmao:

Good going.

[rawdog805]

HD all the way around for me..

My 360 and PS3 hooked to 42" HD plasma.... Son's PS3 hooked to his 32 inch LCD HD...

PC hooked to 26 inch HD LCD..

[Bareborn]

I have a 60" DLP...couldnt have gotten a better investment for gaming.

If you're happy with your SDTV whatever...some people still use radio walkmen....I think

[Cigolorp]

:lmao: How did I know someone would say 'zomg you're not holding true to your upbringing if you're playing on a PS3 instead of an Atari or NES'?

I never said anywhere that I haven't upgraded other things, but paying out the ass for a tv when I watch so little of it in the first place is stupid when I have one that works just fine for what I use it for.:nod:

Why must every topic about this subject on the interwebs turn into an elitist argument over how I'm 'zomg blind' or 'not using my system to its fullest potential'.

I have zero intentions on using my PS3 as anything other than a GAME console. I don't care about the Blu-Ray versions of movies. I don't give a shit to stream stuff from my computer or someplace like Netflix or other sites. I don't care to put pictures on my PS3. I don't want to surf the internet with it(have a PC for that).

So for what I use it for, the SDtv I have is fine for me. If a cheap enough option comes along to 'upgrade' when my tv is on its last legs, then I might consider it.

Or I might just buy a used SDtv for $25-30 and use that one till it dies instead of squandering $200+ on a tv/monitor.:P

I do apologize for saying the HD thing is 'hype'. If it's what YOU enjoy, so be it, but quit being so farkin' elitist towards those of us who are budget minded and don't give a shit about HD. I still enjoy my games, even though I'm on an SDtv, and that's all that matters, right?

Look, I'm not jumping down your throat, I'm just telling you that your logic is flawed. Unless the PS3 is your first system, you've upgraded systems. PS2 to PS3 is about the same level of upgrade as an SDTV to an HDTV (each targeted for a different television). If you're willing to make that upgrade, then you should be willing to at least consider an HDTV that probably comes in at less than you spent on the gaming upgrade.

If you're a slickdealer, you can get into the HDTV market at less than $300. I understand that's a lot of money, but, again, you probably spent more than that on your PS3. If you have a PS3, you're seriously wasting the power of it by rendering everything at 480. You might as well stick with the PS2, which is targeted at SDTVs. I don't know if they're still releasing new games for it, but they've put out quite a few while the PS3 has been out. There's a SIGNIFICANT difference between SD and HD. If you can't see that, then you really are blind and probably shouldn't be baiting with this thread. If you're just saying that it's too expensive, well I might've agreed with you 2 years ago, but certainly not now. Entry-level HDTVs are where SDTVs were when HDTVs were just starting to hit the market. Believe me, I appreciate frugality (I haven't upgraded my HDTV CRT), but when your logic is off and you're touting it, you're going to get called on it.

[ravine33]

The tv prices and the fact I don't need one are the reasons why I don't want an HDtv. I've upgraded other things(computer, video game system), but a tv isn't that essential to me anymore.

As for the ridiculous prices for tv's thing, see above. If I'm only using it maybe 4 hours a day, what's the sense in 'upgrading'?

ROFL. 4 hours a day is more than I use my TV. Damn, how do you have so much TIME.

[tresanus]

52inch dlp in the living room (ps3 and 360)
32 lcd in the bedroom (360)

I couldnt go back to an SDTV for ANY reason..

Actually I think its time to upgrade my dlp to lcd - only downside is I can never go lower than 52!!

[jdig]

OP, everyone taints their opinion a little in defense of their own decisions. We are biased because we made the decision to purchase an HDtv for $$$ and need to justify it. You are biased because you are defending your choice not to spend the $$$.

However, you are ignorant of the bliss of HDtv ownership, especially gaming on one. We have seen both sides of the coin, and not a single post here has said "I bought an HDtv, it was not worth it."

[V0RT3X]

Like others have stated, you decided to purchase a ps3 meaning you already put out $300-$400 for it, that's the price of a 30" hdtv. Why didn't you just stick with the ps2 or the old xbox? There are plenty of good games for those 2 systems that I'm sure you haven't played. Since you don't care much about graphic and eye candy, playing old games shouldn't be a problem for you right? They will look just as good as newer games on SDtv anyway. Why waste your money upgrading to a ps3 when you are getting the exact same thing with a ps2 or xbox??

Please answer that question

[mikemcclain8]

Unfortunately, you can't get the same games for the old systems....Metal Gear 4, Halo ODST, Modern Warfare 2, Gears of war 1 and 2, Uncharted 2, the list goes on and on. Upgrading the game system without an HDTV is still valid.
Despite not being in HD, the graphical upgrades to the PS3 and 360 are evident on SDTV. There may be some detail missed by not having HD and some games NEED it (dead rising anyone?)but PS3/360 on SDTV is still better than PS2/Xbox.

[trujunglist]

I just don't care. I didn't really say that I don't see a difference. And again, it comes down to a snide remark(my fancy tv)to try and get 'your point' across.:lmao:

Good going.

:lol: did you or did you not basically call the entire HD tv buying population blind suckers in your initial post? because I'm pretty sure you did. like I said earlier, if you wanted everyone to agree with you or be nice to you, then why the hell did you post that? you can dish out the BS but can't take it eh

[Entropic01]

I agree that going from SD -> HD is a bigger jump than going PS2 -> PS3.

If you are too cheap to get a 24" 1080P monitor at less than $200 well then don't even bitch about cost. That is quite reasonable for an electronic. As far as prices still being too high and not dropping fast enough, prices have basically gone to less than half in a year or two while TV quality & features have gone up. What more do you want?

[desrtrnnr]

remember the prices of tv's before? a decent brand 19" tube tv used to cost $200.. you can get way better than that for $200 now

[Tobascojapan]

I remember hooking my NES up to my grandma's black and white tv. Is that a fair comparison? heheh.

But I do have a tube tv with a Dreamcast hooked up to it right now.

[AntiCommie]

As a HDGamer, I cant go back to SDgaming. I tried to play MW2 in SD at my sister in laws recently. It just isnt worth it...

[Shack314]

Who pays MSRP for games anymore with sites like PriceGrabber, Ebay, SD and CAG out there?

As for the huge tv thing, I have a small room I play my PS3 in, so I don't need a huge and blinding tv. As to the text being unreadable on many games if you're not on an HDtv, there are still plenty of games on which the text is perfectly readable. It is those companies from which I will continue to buy games. The ones who programmed them specifically for the 15% or so who have HDtv's already will lose ANY business I was considering giving them.

Hell, even Sony only ships the PS3(a 'HD entertainment system by their own admission)with a composite cable. So even they understand that many people won't be needing an HD cable right out of the box.:nod:



I just don't care. I didn't really say that I don't see a difference. And again, it comes down to a snide remark(my fancy tv)to try and get 'your point' across.:lmao:

Good going.

Since you don't need a huge tv for gaming, just buy a 19-24 inch HD Monitor for $100-$150. There are plenty out there. And I think Sony ships out composite cables with the PS3 b/c they're cheap and they probably have a surplus of those b/c it's the same cable the PS2 uses. I'm pretty sure the PS3 was designed for HD gaming.

And playing in HD has nothing to do with making the game more fun. It just makes it more playable. You can't even see certain things in SD that you can in HD. My main problem when I was playing in SD was not being able to see the entire field when I was playing Madden, which was a big problem. I couldn't imagine trying to play MGS4 or any games like that in SD.

[hlcc]

why don't you just get a tv monitor that accepts HDMI inputs as well?

[windyhillsurfer]

i can understand using an sd tv for just watching tv, especially on a smaller screen. in fact i usually find myself watching the sd channels just bc i always forget the channel for the hd version and am too lazy to flip through to find it unless its a commercial break or its a football game. as for gaming though, it is a night and day difference. to each his own, but i am sure you would be happy if you did decide to purchase an hd tv/monitor. like husker pointed out, it really does play out to be a really small amount that you pay per hour of using it, and 4 hours a day of use is more than enough for me to warrant a new tv

[huskercub]

Guys. Give it up. The dude is a troll.

[Shack314]

Guys. Give it up. The dude is a troll.

Is that why there's no poll on this thread? Did he just want to shoot down all logical reasons for buying an HDTV?

[huskercub]

Is that why there's no poll on this thread? Did he just want to shoot down all logical reasons for buying an HDTV?

Yes. If that hasn't become blatantly obvious at this point.

[extreme2700]

Maybe the dude's just stuck in the 70's

[Phrozt]

Maybe the dude's just stuck in the 70's

Teh intarwebz must be a scary place for him.

[ayoko555]

The dude can't afford a HDTV, end of story.

[IAmNotFromCAG]

Like others have stated, you decided to purchase a ps3 meaning you already put out $300-$400 for it, that's the price of a 30" hdtv. Why didn't you just stick with the ps2 or the old xbox? There are plenty of good games for those 2 systems that I'm sure you haven't played. Since you don't care much about graphic and eye candy, playing old games shouldn't be a problem for you right? They will look just as good as newer games on SDtv anyway. Why waste your money upgrading to a ps3 when you are getting the exact same thing with a ps2 or xbox??

Please answer that question

I wanted a PS3 because I wanted to play the newest incarnations of some games I enjoyed on the PS2. However, no version was available on the PS2, so it was either upgrade the system or not play those games.

Unfortunately, you can't get the same games for the old systems....Metal Gear 4, Halo ODST, Modern Warfare 2, Gears of war 1 and 2, Uncharted 2, the list goes on and on. Upgrading the game system without an HDTV is still valid.
Despite not being in HD, the graphical upgrades to the PS3 and 360 are evident on SDTV. There may be some detail missed by not having HD and some games NEED it (dead rising anyone?)but PS3/360 on SDTV is still better than PS2/Xbox.

That was because Capcom decided to abandon the gamers who supported them on every prior gen by 'optimizing' the game for HD only. I've seen very few games that actually do that and the ones that have done that end up being quick playthroughs and I dump them back on the used game store before the return date has lapsed.

:lol: did you or did you not basically call the entire HD tv buying population blind suckers in your initial post? because I'm pretty sure you did. like I said earlier, if you wanted everyone to agree with you or be nice to you, then why the hell did you post that? you can dish out the BS but can't take it eh

I can take it and I have apologized to anyone offended by that statement already, no?

Guys. Give it up. The dude is a troll.

Again with this? Just because I don't agree with you that HD is great?

[huskercub]

Because you create a thread asking people what they game on and then rip them apart and try to make them look like they made a stupid purchase just because you can't afford a HDTV yourself.

The dude can't afford a HDTV, end of story.

Totally agreed.

[V0RT3X]

I think we all argued the shit out of every possible positions/arguments and the end result is still the same. I vote we close this thread for good because I don't see this going anywhere. If OP is happy with his decision, let him be. No point in forcing him to see our point of view

[goatfinder]

HD hype, lol. I nominate that for the stupidest comment of the week.

:iagree: x2

[Soam]

I have incredible vision, and HD is a must for me.
I've tried gaming on SDtv's at relatives houses and such, there's no way I could ever go back.

for movies or single player games i use my samsung 50 inch plasma
For shooters I like gaming on my 32 inch samsung lcd
i prefer a smaller tv for online multiplayer. i can't afford to be looking all over my screen for somebody. i want everything in my field of vision as quickly as possible. you'd think it was a disadvantage for long range, but i've gotten quite used to it and if i play on my big tv, i perform a lot worse


anyone who hasn't upgraded to HD either can't afford it, has really poor eyesight and can't distinguish obvious differences, or is clueless.

[.mike.]

I bought my BIL upgraded Wii cables because the difference between the component and the regular cables for the wii was that noticeable.

[ch1sox]

Falling into "HD Hype?" lol...my 58" plasma will never have me go back to SDTV.

[adnaanusa10]

Gaming in HD is awesome. PERIOD

[demonhunter189]

HD <3, although reading this brought back not-so-fond memories of my 21" CRT monitor. That thing was heavy as hell, and took up so much room :x. Probably about as much room as 4 or 5 old school Xbox's stacked together, and 4 times as heavy...

Oh, and the only time I've had difficulties gaming on a larger screen, was trying to play TF2 on a 55" screen a foot or two away from my face. Was ridiculous trying to snipe people.

[anticommon]

I'm gaming on a 100" SD projection system. I won't say HD isn't awesome, but I've got no complaints from my setup. It's 480p running through component. I could do HDMI, but I'm not sure the image would be any different. On a side note, it's only 5.1....need to upgrade the receiver, but I love my current Onkyo and hate to part with it.

What a shame... Get HD. Or in your case, it sounds like you just need the $10 cable from monoprice. :facepalm2:

[IAmNotFromCAG]

Because you create a thread asking people what they game on and then rip them apart and try to make them look like they made a stupid purchase just because you can't afford a HDTV yourself..

How so? If you're still harping on me over the 'HD hype' thing, then get a farkin' life already. As for the repeating of 'can't afford it', don't you have any other arguments as to why I'm so vehemently anti-HD? And again, it's not that I'm 100% anti-HD, it's just that I have a working tv and I like what I have. If/when I need a new tv, I'll grab one. Hopefully by then they'll be running $190 for a 20-26" HDtv and I won't be forced to settle for a monitor with no tuner in it.

I think we all argued the shit out of every possible positions/arguments and the end result is still the same. I vote we close this thread for good because I don't see this going anywhere. If OP is happy with his decision, let him be. No point in forcing him to see our point of view

Forcing me to see your point of view? Sorry, I don't have HD, so I can't see it. :D



anyone who hasn't upgraded to HD either can't afford it, has really poor eyesight and can't distinguish obvious differences, or is clueless.

Or just doesn't wanna spend the money? How about that one?

Again, I love the 'blind', 'can't afford it' and so on comments. They're just lovely.:rolleyes:

So, you like HD and you feel it was worth it. I'm content with my SDtv and not throwing out a perfectly good TV just because some hacks on an internet forum say that 'zomg you SHOULD upgrade NAO'.

If you guys want me to upgrade so bad and get into the HD age, how about throwing this 'poor gamer' some money to do so. Until you're all willing to toss some money my way to help me upgrade to something I don't want when I have a tv that works already, then shut the fark up, ok?

[trujunglist]

If you guys want me to upgrade so bad and get into the HD age, how about throwing this 'poor gamer' some money to do so. Until you're all willing to toss some money my way to help me upgrade to something I don't want when I have a tv that works already, then shut the fark up, ok?

You do want it, you just want it for free. I doubt most people here got it for free. It could be like my case where there's really no choice but to buy a new TV, so why not get a nice HDTV? I had to save my money to get it.

I hope your TV breaks tomorrow and you're forced into buying a new one, because you're kind of a douche. Calling us hacks? :lol: Yeah, the rest of the world sees it your way...

[XReflection]

I play on a 20" monitor and man does it beat my big screen sdtv in my house. Everything is nice and crisp. (VGA on xbox360)

You do want it, you just want it for free. I doubt most people here got it for free. It could be like my case where there's really no choice but to buy a new TV, so why not get a nice HDTV? I had to save my money to get it.

I hope your TV breaks tomorrow and you're forced into buying a new one, because you're kind of a douche. Calling us hacks? :lol: Yeah, the rest of the world sees it your way...

I second this.

[IAmNotFromCAG]

You do want it, you just want it for free. I doubt most people here got it for free. It could be like my case where there's really no choice but to buy a new TV, so why not get a nice HDTV? I had to save my money to get it.

I hope your TV breaks tomorrow and you're forced into buying a new one, because you're kind of a douche. Calling us hacks? :lol: Yeah, the rest of the world sees it your way...

I don't exactly want it for free, but I don't want to spend $300+ on a tv in the size I want and if I get to where I have to get a new tv I'm going to go for cost over size.

As for me, I do believe that HD is a sham. I've seen the displays at Best Buy running HD content and for the sharper picture, the added price is NOT worth it to me personally. Note that word I used right there: PERSONALLY. As in, I don't give a shit if it's a fuzzy picture when I watch tv or a huge screen to play games on, as long as the tv plays and is REASONABLE(to me) in cost.

As for buying a new tv tomorrow if mine were to break, I'd go to Wally World and get a 27" Sansui SDtv for $189 rather than go HD, assuming they still sell them. Unfortunately, a 27" tv is too big for the room I game in and too big in general for my liking. I had one before for all of about 2 days before I packed it back up and returned it to Best Buy and got my 20" Panasonic.

It was just too blinding for my bedroom where I had it.

So again, we come down to the namecalling going back and forth between you and I. Why can't we just agree to disagree without so much vitriol between us? I know why. It's because you're stubborn like I am and want to 'get the last word' and that you THINK you're always right.

It's ok. We can at least agree on that(that we're both stubborn jackasses who think we're always right).

[trujunglist]

It's ok. We can at least agree on that(that we're both stubborn jackasses who think we're always right).

:lmao: yeah, that's definitely something we can agree. well, I don't think I'm always right, but I'll certainly argue that way :lol:

I will mention though again (the jackass in me I suppose) that I felt the same way about it when I saw the display models. I used to have a lot more money than I have now, but I didn't buy it because I thought it was hype, just like you. Seriously, I was like, that shit doesn't look all that great, wtf is everyone talking about? You don't really get a sense of what you've missed until you haul it into your living room and start playing whatever game you're on. Then you're like, crap, I gotta go back and play all my old games because I missed THIS??

You and I are not too different actually. I came to see the light because I was forced into it. I was unbelievably worried that I was wasting my hard earned cash on a TV like that when I could get one on CL for like $50. It turned out that I was really just wrong on my perceptions. Eventually, maybe you'll have to go that route too.

[IAmNotFromCAG]

:lmao: yeah, that's definitely something we can agree. well, I don't think I'm always right, but I'll certainly argue that way :lol:

I will mention though again (the jackass in me I suppose) that I felt the same way about it when I saw the display models. You don't really get a sense of what you've missed until you haul it into your living room and start playing whatever game you're on. Then you're like, crap, I gotta go back and play all my old games because I missed THIS??

That's what my friends who I played GTA IV with online have said, is that they can see me driving at them in my car in the game, whereas I just aim for the general area that I see them standing and firing from.

Mind you, I've heard that some games I was really impressed by last gen look like crap on an HDtv.

I would like to go back and replay some games if/when I get an HD display(even if it's just the Acer 21.5" LCD full HD monitor(which has an HDMI port on it) I've been keeping an eye on at Target for a while now. But the cheapass in me wants a way to get it for less than $160.:P Mind you, it looks like a hell of a display and it's widescreen. Plus, I could just hopefully plug in some external speakers to the audio out port on it versus having eleven billion wires running from my PS3 to the display and back.

Now if I could figure out a way to run a cable box into the DVI port I think it has and use an external tuner, I could make a cheap HD display for myself.

To me it's all about doing this on the cheap if I do go HD.:nod:

[trujunglist]

That's what my friends who I played GTA IV with online have said, is that they can see me driving at them in my car in the game, whereas I just aim for the general area that I see them standing and firing from.

Mind you, I've heard that some games I was really impressed by last gen look like crap on an HDtv.


It really is AMAZING the level of detail that you get out of it, but SD stuff does tend to look pretty much like garbage on a HD screen. The few basic channels I do get on my TV that are SD don't look as good as they did on my SD tv's, but that's OK - I don't watch TV a whole lot anyway, and it really doesn't look THAT bad... you kinda get used to the quality difference. It kinda freaked me out at first though when I saw it. All I could think of was shit, I can't believe I just bought this and it looks as bad as this. Then I plugged in Vegas 2 and all my worries melted away... it was a magical moment. My roommate was watching and his jaw practically dropped to the floor (Vegas 2 was our favorite at the time).

Edit: Sorry, I edit a LOT if you didn't notice heh

[Sinclaire]

I play from my 15" Thinkpad T60 laptop via Gamebridge S-video to USB at the dorm room. Sometimes I'll hook up my console to the HD bigscreen in the resident hall lounge.

[IAmNotFromCAG]

I tend to edit alot too, though it's usually just to eliminate stuff that may come across as too offensive most times.

I did have a chance a year or two ago to pick up a 26" Sony LCD tv from a local Kmart. It was the prior year's model and it was on clearance and down to $175. But it was down to the display model, which had a badly damaged case and screen(watermarking of the whole right side of the screen and a HUGE crack in the case at the top of it).

They offered me $17.50 off of it(10% shopworn discount), but they said they couldn't go any lower on it. I passed on it, but I told everyone I knew who might've been a bit handier, in the event they could get a replacement screen and/or case.

Someone I know eventually bought it, hoping to do what I would've tried to(return to a different Kmart saying I just bought it and this was how it was outta the box)and when they tried returning it to another store they got a nasty surprise in that the first store marked 'as-is damaged display model' on the receipt someplace and they got denied the return.

[Roland Deschain]

[B]As for me, I do believe that HD is a sham.



notfromcag,

I'm not one to argue, but I still can't believe you're saying this!!!! Despite everything everyone is aying based on their personal experiences I don't understand why you think HD is a sham although you acknowledge the huge visual enhancements!

Maybe you meant to say "HD is better but I don't think it's worth the increased pricing. Therefore, the way HD "pricing" is determined is a sham"? If that's what you're saying I can understand to some degree (though I'd still disagree).




[B] the added price is NOT worth it to me personally. Note that word I used right there: PERSONALLY. As in, I don't give a shit if it's a fuzzy picture when I watch tv or a huge screen to play games on, as long as the tv plays and is REASONABLE(to me) in cost.



Ok, that's a reasonable statement that I can't argue with as it comes down to personal taste / preference and threshold for cash you're willing to let go.

Ffor the record, I don't know anybody (especially MEN) not a single individual, who can either afford or even can't afford an HDTV that doesn't want one. Especially from a gamer's perspective no less.

You are the very first person I've ever encountered like this. Which is why I still think you have a touch of the sour grapes syndrome.....but you just can't see it.

[huskercub]

It really is AMAZING the level of detail that you get out of it, but SD stuff does tend to look pretty much like garbage on a HD screen. The few basic channels I do get on my TV that are SD don't look as good as they did on my SD tv's

That is one difference right there between a high-end and low-end HDTV. My LCD makes SD look pretty damn good when stretched out on the screen.

[tresanus]

That is one difference right there between a high-end and low-end HDTV. My LCD makes SD look pretty damn good when stretched out on the screen.

Really? I haven't seen any LCD make SD channels look better than on a SDTV. Maybe its a size thing? Then again, maybe I am just used to watching everything in HD (I never turn to non-HD channels, I miss you Cartoon Network :( )

[V0RT3X]

Really? I haven't seen any LCD make SD channels look better than on a SDTV. Maybe its a size thing? Then again, maybe I am just used to watching everything in HD (I never turn to non-HD channels, I miss you Cartoon Network :( )

Some TVs and devices (upconvert DVD players) handle the upconvert better than others. They would smooth out the pixels and gives you a smoother overall picture instead of those blown up pixelated crap

[huskercub]

Really? I haven't seen any LCD make SD channels look better than on a SDTV. Maybe its a size thing? Then again, maybe I am just used to watching everything in HD (I never turn to non-HD channels, I miss you Cartoon Network :( )

I was speaking comparatively. My TV does pretty well with this while I have seen others do horribly with this. It stretches it to the full 46" and looks standard definition but it doesn't look like pixelated garbage. Upconverting basically "guesses" what the pixels would be if the SD picture was in, say, 1080p. SO - If your TV is better at guessing then your picture is better on upconverted images.

Some TVs and devices (upconvert DVD players) handle the upconvert better than others. They would smooth out the pixels and gives you a smoother overall picture instead of those blown up pixelated crap

This ^

[tresanus]

My tv actually retains the standard aspect ratio for SD and goes fullscreen for HD
I dont know if my tv controls that or my set top box

that could be another reason I never watch SD - plus I pay the extra $$ for all them fios channels!

[huskercub]

My tv actually retains the standard aspect ratio for SD and goes fullscreen for HD
I dont know if my tv controls that or my set top box

that could be another reason I never watch SD - plus I pay the extra $$ for all them fios channels!

Don't get me wrong. I 99% of the time use my HD channels but there are about 100 or so channels (99 of them I don't watch :lmao:) in SD that aren't in HD through Cox Digital Cable. It retains standard aspect but with your TV remote you should be able to stretch to full screen which looks better IMO on my TV.

[tresanus]

Don't get me wrong. I 99% of the time use my HD channels but there are about 100 or so channels (99 of them I don't watch :lmao:) in SD that aren't in HD through Cox Digital Cable. It retains standard aspect but with your TV remote you should be able to stretch to full screen which looks better IMO on my TV.

true my remote does have that option but it still looks like crap to me compared to HD, then again my tv could be trifling as well!

[huskercub]

true my remote does have that option but it still looks like crap to me compared to HD, then again my tv could be trifling as well!

Of course it looks like crap compared to HD. Are you thinking I'm saying my TV makes SD look HD? Lol... not close. It does look SD quality on my old 32" CRT TV or better though.

[tresanus]

Of course it looks like crap compared to HD. Are you thinking I'm saying my TV makes SD look HD? Lol... not close. It does look SD quality on my old 32" CRT TV or better though.

I think SD looks worse on an HDTV then SDTV(but like you said could be due to my HDTV being a pit poopoo)

So Im not really disagreeing with you, just rambling on about why I never watch SD anymore

[shifty_]

PC gaming with a 42" 1080p LCD less than 2 feet away from my seat. I'm actually inside of the game when I play Modern Warfare 2. Much better than my 16" laptop screen, I was never sure if that little thing off in the distance was just the environment or a person. Now, with the 42", I can snipe far off targets without a scope. It's FANTASTIC!

[Entropic01]

PC gaming with a 42" 1080p LCD less than 2 feet away from my seat. I'm actually inside of the game when I play Modern Warfare 2. Much better than my 16" laptop screen, I was never sure if that little thing off in the distance was just the environment or a person. Now, with the 42", I can snipe far off targets without a scope. It's FANTASTIC!

Maybe its just me but it seems completely stupid to sit less than 2 feet away from a 42". I sit several feet back from my 46"

[huskercub]

PC gaming with a 42" 1080p LCD less than 2 feet away from my seat. I'm actually inside of the game when I play Modern Warfare 2. Much better than my 16" laptop screen, I was never sure if that little thing off in the distance was just the environment or a person. Now, with the 42", I can snipe far off targets without a scope. It's FANTASTIC!

Holy sheet. You're going to go blind within a few months :lol:

Maybe its just me but it seems completely stupid to sit less than 2 feet away from a 42". I sit several feet back from my 46"

Yep. I sit 6 feet away from my 46". It is really stupid to sit that close to your TV lol

[TodayILearned]

Currently a 32" 720p

Samsung Ln46b650 46" has a PS3 (1080p 120HZ)

[Magnificent614]

After 11 pages, I think the OP knows the result of this "poll".

I just got two things for you.

1. Your PS3 is crying.
2. HDTV is probaby the most improvement of their predecessor, SDTV. But you also need to utilize the TV to appreciate it. I am paying an extra $7 to comcast so I can get HD channels because any analog channels look like crap and 480p digital channels are decent at best.

Even HD on a 22" monitor is sooooooooo much better than a 50" SDTV. You can even see strands of hair!! STRANDS OF HAIR!!!

This friend of mine won't pay DirecTV for the HD channels and I always feel that he's missing out so much. But to his defense, he doesn't have time for TV so he doesn't care.

But hey, if you can spend it. I'm sure other people can enjoy it also.


In conclusion, get one no matter the size because "size doesn't make a difference" in this aspect.

[Wraith72]

HD all the way!

I'm gaming on a 120" screen via 1080p projector and a 9.1 digital surround system, which is the only way to go (if you're gonna be a bear, be a grizzly!). I've got all three consoles, but I spend most of my game time on the 360. Blu ray movies and some games (God of War series, Uncharted series, Darksiders) are played on the PS3. The Wii is only used for party games (Sports Resort, Summer Sports, Mario Kart).

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b10/TSiWraith/DSC00486.jpg

[Bareborn]

Thats pretty sweet. But, arent you sitting AWFULLY close to that screen?

[willow_ve]

PC gaming with a 42" 1080p LCD less than 2 feet away from my seat. I'm actually inside of the game when I play Modern Warfare 2. Much better than my 16" laptop screen, I was never sure if that little thing off in the distance was just the environment or a person. Now, with the 42", I can snipe far off targets without a scope. It's FANTASTIC!

that is literally absurd. working on cad/revit files at work i sit at least 2 feet away from a 24" screen. and i game on a 26" 1080p monitor at home and i wouldn't think of sitting closer than 4 feet.

at that range, with your setup, you can probably feel the heat coming off of your set on your face (assuming it's CCFL and not LED)

[tresanus]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b10/TSiWraith/DSC00486.jpg

I'm richhh beyyootttchhh

[IlluminatusCU]

OP: I feel your pain. I occasionally have to game on the 25" SD in my living room and it is miserable. I can only play throwback games or ones like 1v100. I do most of my real gaming on a 22" monitor.

[Wraith72]

Thats pretty sweet. But, arent you sitting AWFULLY close to that screen?

Nope, not at all. I've got a good 12ft distance between the first row and the screen.

I'm richhh beyyootttchhh

I wish. It took me years to build my ridiculously small theater and save up for the components. It's still a work in progress.

[robodaddy-o]

I've got two different HD sets and I am glad because I can see the benefits that each have. Our 57" DLP TV is great for watching shows, movies and I also game with it. I notice that skin tones look a lot more natural on that set and I prefer it to our other set. SD looks like complete crap on the 57" DLP.

The other screen we have is a Samsung 40" LCD; LN40A750. It is a 120Hz set, 1080P, as well, and the rich colors are awesome for many games. It only has a PS3 connected to it so it's main use is for games and blu-ray movies. I've connected the sat. box to it and noticed that SD does look much better on it but I would also assume that this being much smaller than the 57" helps that fact. We're able to notice flaws a lot easier on the larger screen.

I'll never go back to an SD screen. We went HD three years ago and never looked back.

[da1285]

I game on a 50" 720 plasma with sonysurround sound.

[polyphenus]

PS3 on a Panasonic 50" Plasma. Beautiful.

[alexpkeaton529]

I need to stop coming into this thread.

*goes over to his standard definition television and hopes that it "suddenly" falls on the ground.

"oops looks like I need a new television . . hey look at the one!"

[Trogdor636]

PS3 on a 46 Samsung LCD. Works for me. Before I took a hiatus from WoW I would even play that every now and then on there :lol:

[Iceboie]

LG 42" Plasma 720P for the PS3/PS2/Xbx360

Sony 20" Triniton Standard Tube for the DC/PSX

The Dreamcast games doesn't look good on my Plasma (too pixelated) and I'm not planning to buy the DC-to-VGA cable neither.

[PatriotJediZ]

Wii on SDTV CRT via Component 480p
360 on LED Samsung LCD
PS3 on THX Plasma
PC on RGB LED Triluminous
Phone on OLED

waiting for Laser HDTV and affordable OLED HDTV

[shadowkast]

HD tv's all the way. Have 3 in my house (older rear projection 50" hitachi, panasonic 32", & 55" vizio led) Only sd tv is in the kids room.

Recently tossed the cheap HTiB and dropped some decent money to get real surround sound (denon 1910 and mish-mash of speakers) ....wow, what a difference of what I've been missing in sound!!

[LBC99]

PS3 on my LG 50 inch 720 plasma with my Onkyo receiver and Polk speakers.

[TheSawg]

Xbox 360 on the 46" Panny Plasma. And the occasional flash game on the Mac Mini hooked up to said TV.

[godfather927]

Wii on SDTV CRT via Component 480p
360 on LED Samsung LCD
PS3 on THX Plasma
PC on RGB LED Triluminous
Phone on OLED

waiting for Laser HDTV and affordable OLED HDTV

Thanks for letting us know what screen your phone has, who wants to be watching standard def content on that 3 inch screen.

btw, LaserVues have been out for a while. It's just that Mitsu treats them more like a specialty item and never mass produced them, so don't expect a huge price drop anytime soon.

[xrayMover]

a poll with out a poll...?

It's a koan.


Unless I'm on a Wii then I truly love HDTV.

[Eyebiter]

How far back do you sit from the TV? How large should the HDTV be for general gaming (assuming the player is sitting 10 - 12 feet away)?

[robodaddy-o]

Unless I'm on a Wii then I truly love HDTV.You just reminded me of a question I have for the people here. I want to take the Wii off of our 57" DLP set and hook it up to a smaller monitor, along with older systems such as the PS2, N64, Genesis, etc., and would like to know what is the largest LCD we could go with that won't start to make the image look really bad. Would 32" be pushing it? Has anyone been able to compare and see if maybe a 26" would be better? This will be going in an extra room. Thanks for any replies.

[oohhbehave]

I liked playing on a SD CRT TV. The game just felt more responsive and quick panning (180 degree turns) didn't cause the screen to smudge and look like crap. I can't track enemies when all i see is a smudge. I learned all about "Input lag" and "motion blur" when I got my first Sharp 32" LCD tv. Then I got a 42" Panasonic Plasma (TCP-42G10) to fix all those problems. Even though the plasma is better than the LCD was, it still can't beat the CRT in terms of response and motion resolution. Long live CRT. If you're competitively playing Call of Duty or any kind of First Person shooter, you may want to keep a CRT on hand.

[bonkman]

I like my 8 bit and 16 bit systems on my old tube tv....

And I'll add to the ridicule. Does your TV have rabbit ears?

You just reminded me of a question I have for the people here. I want to take the Wii off of our 57" DLP set and hook it up to a smaller monitor, along with older systems such as the PS2, N64, Genesis, etc., and would like to know what is the largest LCD we could go with that won't start to make the image look really bad. Would 32" be pushing it? Has anyone been able to compare and see if maybe a 26" would be better? This will be going in an extra room. Thanks for any replies.
My Wii is on a 37" 720p TV and looks quite good (depending on the game, of course).

I liked playing on a SD CRT TV. The game just felt more responsive and quick panning (180 degree turns) didn't cause the screen to smudge and look like crap. I can't track enemies when all i see is a smudge. I learned all about "Input lag" and "motion blur" when I got my first Sharp 32" LCD tv. Then I got a 42" Panasonic Plasma (TCP-42G10) to fix all those problems. Even though the plasma is better than the LCD was, it still can't beat the CRT in terms of response and motion resolution. Long live CRT. If you're competitively playing Call of Duty or any kind of First Person shooter, you may want to keep a CRT on hand.
You've been a member for over a year and that was your first post? Necromancing a thread from the beginning of the year?

welcome.

[Jonny459]

I play games on two hdtvs. Upstairs I play a 360 and PS3 on an LG 32" LCD and downstairs I play the 360 and PS3 on a Samsung 46" LCD

[implode]

I'm using HDTV

[godfather927]

You've been a member for over a year and that was your first post? Necromancing a thread from the beginning of last year?

welcome.

fixed

[bonkman]

fixed
???? Last post before his was Jan 2010....

[godfather927]

???? Last post before his was Jan 2010....

wow... for some reason, i coulda swore it said january of 09 but its actually jan 29. dont mind me... im just not smart today

[Iceboie]

PS3/Xbx360 (HDMI) and PS2 (Component) - LG 42" Plasma HDTV 720p/1080i (I think 720p is better than 1080i)

DC/PSone - Sony Triniton 20" Tube SDTV

I am just waiting for a good deal to upgrade to 3D later hopefully next year.

EDIT:

I wonder what happened to my old SNES console? :dontknow:

[bonkman]

wow... for some reason, i coulda swore it said january of 09 but its actually jan 29. dont mind me... im just not smart today
I blame daylight savings time.

[Iczer]

I play on my 106" screen with a 1080p projector, no complaints here

[willow_ve]

first off, make a poll.

....who else actually has stuck with the tv they have rather than falling into the hype of HD?


secondly, HDTV isn't "hype" anymore. you might have been able to play that card 5-7 years ago when adoption rate, HD content, and HD games were mostly lacking. today almost everything comes in HD, Blu-Ray can be found at your local redbox kiosk, and generally all games are specifically designed for play on an HDTV (just think about that the next time you're forced to squint to try to read text on your SDTV, it's because the font was optimized for HD).

i made the switch about 16 months ago and i noticed an immediate difference in both how great everything looks as well as how well i do when playing games.

Matter of fact, unless they lower the prices of the 20-26" HDtvs to $200 or under I'm still not going to 'upgrade'.

there have been multiple deals on HDTVs over the past 2 years. many of which fall into the 20-26" size and have sold for around $200. you really have no more excuses to hold onto your SDTV.

[Jabbit]

there have been multiple deals on HDTVs over the past 2 years. many of which fall into the 20-26" size and have sold for around $200. you really have no more excuses to hold onto your SDTV.

Read the date of the OP.

[huskercub]

if anyone is looking for a cheaper htib that delivers power and is pretty damn awesome...

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-HT-S3300-5-1-Channel-Theater-Receiver/dp/B003BEDQR6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291215749&sr=8-1

I got that thing for $270... it's a little overpriced on amazon right now because I think they are out of stock (they normally sell for about $300)

big ole power for $300 and nice onkyo everything

[KoopaTroopa]

I got my Wii & PS3 connected a 46" 1080p Aquos, but only 60Hz. Thinking of buying a new
46" Samsung since the Aquos is 3 years old or so.

[willow_ve]

Read the date of the OP.

dang it

PC gaming with a 42" 1080p LCD less than 2 feet away from my seat. I'm actually inside of the game when I play Modern Warfare 2. Much better than my 16" laptop screen, I was never sure if that little thing off in the distance was just the environment or a person. Now, with the 42", I can snipe far off targets without a scope. It's FANTASTIC!

why? why did you resurrect this thread?