Section 8 vouchers ignite stampede.

[stopmakingcents]

http://cofcc.org/2011/07/section-8-vouchers-ignites-stampede/

Another “Welfare Stampede.” Dallas is giving out 3,800 Section 8 vouchers. The vouchers are used to move welfare recipients out of the “ghetto” and into nicer neighborhoods. They bring crime, drugs, gangs, loud noise, litter, ruin local schools, and destroy property values. This is all done at taxpayer expense.

Seven people had to be treated by paramedics after the 6:00 AM door opening triggered a stampede. Police rushed to the scene to prevent a full scale riot.

[EscapeVelo]

Dallas Housing Authority Section 8 Chaos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ocjZ9GatA)

Similar to the Atlanta housing voucher riot and the Detroit "Obama Money" chaos.

I noticed in the video that they kept goiing back to the white girl for face time, but the crowd shots reveal that she may have been the only white girl there.

[TRNT]

http://cofcc.org/2011/07/section-8-vouchers-ignites-stampede/The title is a bit ambiguous. Is it claimed that all who are in section 8 are vultures?

[The2AMBearArms]

http://cofcc.org/2011/07/section-8-vouchers-ignites-stampede/

The Section 8 program is pure racial socialism. Much like the ridiculous "steering" cases that came from the Fair Housing Act. The way I see it, It's all part of the leftist agenda to destroy and weaken the West.

[AZVike]

The Section 8 program is pure racial socialism. Much like the ridiculous "steering" cases that came from the Fair Housing Act. The way I see it, It's all part of the leftist agenda to destroy and weaken the West.

I'll have to alert my elderly white Section 8 tenants to that fact.

[TRNT]

I have to alert my tenants that there are buncha racist bigots all over the US.

[PartyInTheUSA]

Anecdotally speaking, the program does seem to favor poor black people over poor white people. Does anyone have any numbers or figures to support or debunk this assertion?

[highfloydelity]

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I don't know who the COFCC are but apparently the internet filter says they're racist.

[brbubba]

The Section 8 program is pure racial socialism. Much like the ridiculous "steering" cases that came from the Fair Housing Act. The way I see it, It's all part of the leftist agenda to destroy and weaken the West.

I don't know about an agenda, but I don't see the logic in giving people who live in s***holes a nice new place and expect them not to turn it into another s***hole. There should, at a minimum, be requirements placed upon those individuals to keep the places in good order or face eviction.

[The2AMBearArms]

I don't know about an agenda, but I don't see the logic in giving people who live in s***holes a nice new place and expect them not to turn it into another s***hole. There should, at a minimum, be requirements placed upon those individuals to keep the places in good order or face eviction.

Regardless, they don't have the right to live in a nicer town than they can afford.

[EscapeVelo]

Regardless, they don't have the right to live in a nicer town than they can afford.

Or have people that live within their means modestly subsidizing this nonsense.

[Deusxmachina]

Anecdotally speaking, the program does seem to favor poor black people over poor white people. Does anyone have any numbers or figures to support or debunk this assertion?
If true, makes me wonder if Section 8 has any affirmative action in it that poor white people could use "to make things fair." I'd hate to see someone discriminated against simply due to their race.

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I don't know who the COFCC are but apparently the internet filter says they're racist.
Not like that means anything.
Looks like Websense just puts things into categories based on their San Diego-based whims.
Websense allows system administrators to block access to web sites and other protocols based on categories.

On occasion, Websense's filter has categorized notable sites in error. In 2007 Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky's websites were blocked by network administrators blocking the 'racism/hate speech' category
Sounds like a nice censorship company.

[brbubba]

Regardless, they don't have the right to live in a nicer town than they can afford.

Agreed there. Not to mention this type of subsidized housing is a scam. We had a subsidized housing project across from my old job and it was owned by some Florida firm. My boss as a lark went over to ask how much rent was and it was as high as a one bedroom apartment downtown in one of the nicest sections. So basically the company did the bare minimum, even threw a few of the residents a some extra money to do the ground maintenance and just collected a massive pile of state money.

[REDCELL]

I'll have to alert my elderly white Section 8 tenants to that fact.


Ahhhhh....:bulb:

[brbubba]

Oh I almost forgot. When apartment hunting see if they accept section 8. If they do, run the other way.

Friends of mine stupidly enough rented an apartment in section 8 housing even after the agent told them they accepted section 8. It was a far cry from the ghetto, but it was still sketchy, especially for the money they were paying.

[Elmer]

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I don't know who the COFCC are but apparently the internet filter says they're racist.

Not like that means anything.
Looks like Websense just puts things into categories based on their San Diego-based whims.

Sounds like a nice censorship company.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/091/284/eso_es_racista.gif?1294075992

[OhNoItsDEVO]

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I don't know who the COFCC are but apparently the internet filter says they're racist.
It's some white supremacist website....

[farnan]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/091/284/eso_es_racista.gif?1294075992


Thanks, Elmer. I just about fell out of my chair when i saw that gif.

[smegalicious]

Anecdotally speaking, the program does seem to favor poor black people over poor white people. Does anyone have any numbers or figures to support or debunk this assertion?
If you're that interested, why not do the research on the numbers or figures yourself to support/debunk your own anecdotal assertion?

I don't know about an agenda, but I don't see the logic in giving people who live in s***holes a nice new place and expect them not to turn it into another s***hole. There should, at a minimum, be requirements placed upon those individuals to keep the places in good order or face eviction.
Because anyone who lives in a shithole created the shithole themselves as opposed to only being able to afford living in a slumlord's shithole?

Regardless, they don't have the right to live in a nicer town than they can afford.
Has anyone claimed that they have such a "right"? :look:

Agreed there. Not to mention this type of subsidized housing is a scam. We had a subsidized housing project across from my old job and it was owned by some Florida firm. My boss as a lark went over to ask how much rent was and it was as high as a one bedroom apartment downtown in one of the nicest sections. So basically the company did the bare minimum, even threw a few of the residents a some extra money to do the ground maintenance and just collected a massive pile of state money.
But if the one-bedroom downtown apt in one of the nicest sections doesn't accept Section 8, then it's not really a viable option for that tenant, is it?

One benefit for landlords wrt accepting Section 8 is a better "guarantee" of getting paid rent each month. Do you fault landlords for taking advantage of that "guarantee"?

[The2AMBearArms]

Has anyone claimed that they have such a "right"? :look:



That's the basic rationale for the program. Instead of lumping all of the poor people together where they can cause mayhem in one housing project, it spreads them out in nice areas so they can screw those up too.

[smegalicious]

That's the basic rationale for the program. Instead of lumping all of the poor people together where they can cause mayhem in one housing project, it spreads them out in nice areas so they can screw those up too.
So no, no one has made any such claims. You're just trying to turn your opinion into facts once again. ;)

[Hawk2007]

Why didn't this deal hit the FP?

Free/subsidized housing seems pretty hot to me.

[smegalicious]

Why didn't this deal hit the FP?

Free/subsidized housing seems pretty hot to me.
:secret: The years-long waiting list kinda kills the deal.

[brbubba]

Because anyone who lives in a shithole created the shithole themselves as opposed to only being able to afford living in a slumlord's shithole?

Yes, actually it does. We're not only talking about the building itself but the interior. There are many low to no cost options for people to properly maintain a clean living space. Not to mention if it was that much of a shithole to begin with why did you move in? Sure there are always exceptions to any rule, but in general it holds true.

But if the one-bedroom downtown apt in one of the nicest sections doesn't accept Section 8, then it's not really a viable option for that tenant, is it?

One benefit for landlords wrt accepting Section 8 is a better "guarantee" of getting paid rent each month. Do you fault landlords for taking advantage of that "guarantee"?

I was simply saying that section 8 housing in a bad area shouldn't be costing as much as the downtown 1 bdrm in a nice area. It's a scam because the prices don't reflect the real market value.

I don't fault landlords for anything, but if you want to bring down the property value and you don't want me living there then go ahead and accept section 8. Remember, by definition, if landlords accept section 8 they are introducing lower class citizens onto the property thereby decreasing demand from higher class citizens.

[Elmer]

Why didn't this deal hit the FP?

Free/subsidized housing seems pretty hot to me.

Deal's not available to everyone. You have to be a member.....

[smegalicious]

Yes, actually it does. We're not only talking about the building itself but the interior.
And a landlord conveniently has no responsibility wrt to the interior of a building?

There are many low to no cost options for people to properly maintain a clean living space.
Awesome. Now, all you need is something other than hyperbole to support your claim that Section 8 renters don't use such methods.

Not to mention if it was that much of a shithole to begin with why did you move in?
Because a shithole with a roof is still better than no roof and no shithole.

:rolleyes:

Sure there are always exceptions to any rule, but in general it holds true.
Right. "In general", all your unsubstantiated claims about Section 8 renters are true.

:crazylaf:

I was simply saying that section 8 housing in a bad area shouldn't be costing as much as the downtown 1 bdrm in a nice area. It's a scam because the prices don't reflect the real market value.
Actually, it's two different "markets".

Remember, by definition, if landlords accept section 8 they are introducing lower class citizens onto the property thereby decreasing demand from higher class citizens.
Right. Because "by definition" you are a higher class of citizen than anyone you conveniently classify as beneath you.


:vomit:

[Hawk2007]

Deal's not available to everyone. You have to be a member.....


I pay the $50 annual premium for the SD Platinum Membership. :sadwalk:

[brbubba]

Right. Because "by definition" you are a higher class of citizen than anyone you conveniently classify as beneath you.

You're assuming a lot there. By definition it's all a part of a social class structure. Has nothing to do with where I place myself or where you think I place myself. Don't extract meaning where there is none.

Lower class, by definition, means earns less income.

[Hawk2007]

You're assuming a lot there. By definition it's all a part of a social class structure. Has nothing to do with where I place myself or where you think I place myself. Don't extract meaning where there is none.


Smeg might be surprised to learn that at some Ritz Carlton's, even if you're a paying/paid guest at the hotel, you're not supposed to enter the front door without a jacket and tie.

I understand what you're saying buddy.

[PartyInTheUSA]

If you're that interested, why not do the research on the numbers or figures yourself to support/debunk your own anecdotal assertion?



Don't care enough to.

I just thought it was ridiculous when I was renting a 4k apartment with a few friends a while back and there were people who were allowed to live there at drastically reduced rents. You could tell which ones were the voucher recepients, the minorities with their 5 kids screaming and running up and down the hallways. They'd constanly be in the pool and invite their minority friends over. Reminds me of that South park episode where Cartman goes to a water park and realizes that white people are the minority there. Needless to say I never used the pool there.

Do I automatically know that the minorities were the voucher recipients? No. Am I being racist. Probably. All I know is that we paid a lot of money to live in a nice building, not to get stuck living in a ghetto environment.

[Hawk2007]

Don't care enough to.

I just thought it was ridiculous when I was renting a 4k apartment with a few friends a while back and there were people who were allowed to live there at drastically reduced rents. You could tell which ones were the voucher recepients, the minorities with their 5 kids screaming and running up and down the hallways. They'd constanly be in the pool and invite their minority friends over. Reminds me of that South park episode where Cartman goes to a water park and realizes that white people are the minority there. Needless to say I never used the pool there.

Do I automatically know that the minorities were the voucher recipients? No. Am I being racist. Probably. All I know is that we paid a lot of money to live in a nice building, not to get stuck living in a ghetto environment.


Also, you can imagine that when you and your friends are working to earn every penny of that $4,000 rent, you would take pride in the community more so than somebody living there at a substantially reduced rate. Also, generally speaking, the people that can afford $4k rents have stable and well paying jobs. Those who need help, don't.

It's why in general, Mercedes dealerships are nicer than say Kia dealerships. Each service different types of clientele. It's not that Mercedes owners are better or higher class people, but if you go to a MB dealership, you expect a certain level of service, albeit you pay for it in labor and/or purchasing the car, than you should at a Kia dealership.

[Hawk2007]

Right. "In general", all your unsubstantiated claims about Section 8 renters are true.

I'm just curious how you think stereotypes develop?





Right. Because "by definition" you are a higher class of citizen than anyone you conveniently classify as beneath you.



you're introducing ideas and arguments where there are none.

Certain things you can get away with at Motel 6 (kids screaming down the hall), would get you kicked out of the Ritz Carlton.

[smegalicious]

You're assuming a lot there. By definition it's all a part of a social class structure. Has nothing to do with where I place myself or where you think I place myself. Don't extract meaning where there is none.

Lower class, by definition, means earns less income.
That's *one* definition. There's certainly others. If you meant it in only that regard, then my apologies. But perhaps there would be better ways to phrase your thoughts so as to avoid more ambiguous terms that certainly have a less than flattering connotation.

It's not like anyone on TP has ever suggested that there were a better "class" of person based solely on the size of their bank account.


Smeg might be surprised to learn that at some Ritz Carlton's, even if you're a paying/paid guest at the hotel, you're not supposed to enter the front door without a jacket and tie.

Hawk2007 might be surprised to learn that this is a logical debate forum.

:rolleyes:

Don't care enough to.
But yet you care enough to make anecdotal assertions...

I just thought it was ridiculous when I was renting a 4k apartment with a few friends a while back and there were people who were allowed to live there at drastically reduced rents. [/quote]
Typically speaking, the rent is not reduced. Part of the rent is paid via a voucher issued directly to the landlord. Any remaining rent due (not covered by the voucher) is paid by the tenant.

You could tell which ones were the voucher recepients, the minorities with their 5 kids screaming and running up and down the hallways. They'd constanly be in the pool and invite their minority friends over. Reminds me of that South park episode where Cartman goes to a water park and realizes that white people are the minority there. Needless to say I never used the pool there.
Right.... :whistlin:

Do I automatically know that the minorities were the voucher recipients? No. Am I being racist. Probably. All I know is that we paid a lot of money to live in a nice building, not to get stuck living in a ghetto environment.
Then perhaps you should have done your own due diligence and asked the landlord (or management company or whatever) if they took Section 8 tenants.

[smegalicious]

Also, you can imagine that when you and your friends are working to earn every penny of that $4,000 rent, you would take pride in the community more so than somebody living there at a substantially reduced rate. Also, generally speaking, the people that can afford $4k rents have stable and well paying jobs. Those who need help, don't.
But yet, s/he didn't have a stable and well-paying enough job to pay that $4k/month rent without the help of a "few friends".

I wonder if all of the friends were on the lease. ;)

It's why in general, Mercedes dealerships are nicer than say Kia dealerships. Each service different types of clientele. It's not that Mercedes owners are better or higher class people, but if you go to a MB dealership, you expect a certain level of service, albeit you pay for it in labor and/or purchasing the car, than you should at a Kia dealership.
Is that also why, when a rich rapper shows up in a wife-beater and baggy shorts, the Mercedes dealer refuses to take his money?

:lmao:

I'm just curious how you think stereotypes develop?
Laziness. ;)

you're introducing ideas and arguments where there are none.

Certain things you can get away with at Motel 6 (kids screaming down the hall), would get you kicked out of the Ritz Carlton.
And a landlord can "kick out" a Section 8 tenant who is not following the rules.

[Hawk2007]

Laziness. ;)



Nope. Not in the least bit.

Would you say Saudi Arabia is a much more conservative country (culturally) than we are? I would absolutely agree to that statement.
Would you say that people who stay at the Ritz Carlton are fairly affluent individuals? I would.
Would you say that people who own Bentleys are fairly affluent? I would.
Would you be surprised if Budweiser launched a multi-million dollar ad campaign in Saudi, the UAE, Qatar, etc? I certainly would.

It's not racist or Islamophobic or bigoted to say that even though libs love to circlejerk those words.

Stereotyping and demographics are principle components of marketing and advertisers. It has nothing to do with being a hater.

[PartyInTheUSA]

Then perhaps you should have done your own due diligence and asked the landlord (or management company or whatever) if they took Section 8 tenants.

In my state lots of new developments are required to set aside 10% - 15% for subsidized housing. And yes obviously I was making generalizations and stereotypes when I assumed the minorities were the voucher recipients. Never denied that fact.

[EscapeVelo]

Stereotyping and generalizations are princiople tools of rational thought and negotiating a complex world. Not hate crimes.

[Gotchaforce]

Don't care enough to.

I just thought it was ridiculous when I was renting a 4k apartment with a few friends a while back and there were people who were allowed to live there at drastically reduced rents. You could tell which ones were the voucher recepients, the minorities with their 5 kids screaming and running up and down the hallways. They'd constanly be in the pool and invite their minority friends over. Reminds me of that South park episode where Cartman goes to a water park and realizes that white people are the minority there. Needless to say I never used the pool there.

Do I automatically know that the minorities were the voucher recipients? No. Am I being racist. Probably. All I know is that we paid a lot of money to live in a nice building, not to get stuck living in a ghetto environment.

A 4K apartment?? WTF?? where the hell were you living? im in south bay area and I dont even know of any apartments that cost $4k. Even in the nicest areas possible the apartments max at about $3600. $4000 per month would easily rent you a 2000 sq ft+ house in a very nice neighborhood (think $500,000-$600,000 houses easily in the bay area).

Are you sure they didnt take you and your friends for saps and grossly overcharge you?

[PartyInTheUSA]

A 4K apartment?? WTF?? where the hell were you living? im in south bay area and I dont even know of any apartments that cost $4k. Even in the nicest areas possible the apartments max at about $3600. $4000 per month would easily rent you a 2000 sq ft+ house in a very nice neighborhood (think $500,000-$600,000 houses easily in the bay area).

Are you sure they didnt take you and your friends for saps and grossly overcharge you?

We were living in the Boston area. It can get pretty expensive in some locations. We actually wanted to rent out a house, but its hard to find a landlord willing to rent out a house to a bunch of 20-something year olds. :lmao:

[smegalicious]

Nope. Not in the least bit.

Would you say Saudi Arabia is a much more conservative country (culturally) than we are? I would absolutely agree to that statement.
And you would say that such a comparison is somehow akin to a "stereotype"?

Would you say that people who stay at the Ritz Carlton are fairly affluent individuals? I would.
And I would say that, again, that's hardly a "stereotype". It's a heavily qualified generalization designed to CYA.

Would you say that people who own Bentleys are fairly affluent? I would.
Then apparently you like to rush to judgment based on insufficient information to make a valid conclusion.

It's not racist or Islamophobic or bigoted to say that even though libs love to circlejerk those words.
Perhaps that has something to do with the frequency with which some cons like to demonstrate those words.

Stereotyping and demographics are principle components of marketing and advertisers. It has nothing to do with being a hater.
Right. That's why all the black magazines feature specials on the latest fried chicken recipes and how to pick a ripe watermelon.

Everyone loves them some stereotypes!
In my state lots of new developments are required to set aside 10% - 15% for subsidized housing. And yes obviously I was making generalizations and stereotypes when I assumed the minorities were the voucher recipients. Never denied that fact.
That has nothing to do with whether yours was. Typically, such requirements are the result of tax breaks or zoning issues where the owner agrees to such set-asides in return for concessions from the city/state.

In any event, you still chose to rent an apt there....
Stereotyping and generalizations are princiople tools of rational thought and negotiating a complex world. Not hate crimes.
.... unless such stereotypes and generalizations are made against your white Christian male brethren, of course.....

We were living in the Boston area. It can get pretty expensive in some locations. We actually wanted to rent out a house, but its hard to find a landlord willing to rent out a house to a bunch of 20-something year olds. :lmao:
Imagine that!

It's almost as if you guys didn't have the "stable, well-paying jobs" referred to above. ;)

[Hawk2007]

Right. That's why all the black magazines feature specials on the latest fried chicken recipes and how to pick a ripe watermelon.

Everyone loves them some stereotypes!


Yeah, I do love stereotypes.

If I own a restaurant and a customer comes in with a hijab, I'm not going to offer drink specials or happy hour drinks to them. Also, I'll be careful to warn them if a food has or is cooked with animal products. Yeah, I am absolutely stereotyping them out of respect. Call me crazy, but I want them to feel welcome in my hypothetical restaurant.

[smegalicious]

Yeah, I do love stereotypes.

If I own a restaurant and a customer comes in with a hijab, I'm not going to offer drink specials or happy hour drinks to them. Also, I'll be careful to warn them if a food has or is cooked with animal products. Yeah, I am absolutely stereotyping them out of respect. Call me crazy, but I want them to feel welcome in my hypothetical restaurant.
By treating them differently than every other customer?

:grouphug:

I can feel the warm & fuzzies already....

ETA: How would you spot a Mormon ... or a vegan? So that you could make them feel "welcome", of course...

[Hawk2007]

By treating them differently than every other customer?


Yes, by being culturally respectful.

If you don't get it, there's nothing more I can do for you.

[brbubba]

Right. That's why all the black magazines feature specials on the latest fried chicken recipes and how to pick a ripe watermelon.

Everyone loves them some stereotypes!

.... unless such stereotypes and generalizations are made against your white Christian male brethren, of course.....

So black people don't like fried chicken? :lol:

The stereotypes are there for white christians as well. Take for example Mormons... need I say more?

Stereotypes exist for a reason. Sometimes that reason is based on real world observations, sometimes it can even be supported by statistics and sometimes its simply a result of an overactive imagination. However, that still doesn't justify demonizing stereotypes.

[AZVike]

Yeah, I do love stereotypes.

If I own a restaurant and a customer comes in with a hijab, I'm not going to offer drink specials or happy hour drinks to them. Also, I'll be careful to warn them if a food has or is cooked with animal products. Yeah, I am absolutely stereotyping them out of respect. Call me crazy, but I want them to feel welcome in my hypothetical restaurant.

If your restaurant caters to a certain culture, you likely wouldn't have those things on the menu anyway. If not, then your assumptions are off base. If someone dressed as an observant Jew walks into my "Pork 'R Us" joint, I'm not going to assume he doesn't want the bacon/bacon special.

[Doctor_Wu]

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