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|07-04-2012 04:20 PM|
The only difference is we do not have a basement where the burner is. It's enclosed, as I stated inside a closet area inside the home. The burner was replaced approximately 20 years ago. Now to install that unit you are talking about, we would not be able to "see it", as stated this burner is covered by three removeable metal panels that are vented. The main emergency shut off switch is located in the kitchen for this burner. I've remodeled my kitchen, not quite sure I want something like that hanging on my wall in my remodeled kitchen.
I think the difference is, you have a free standing oil burner in a space that has plenty of room around it. We are limited by the design of these homes and where the oil burners are located; as well as the panels that enclose them.
As far as a disaster happening, practically everyone who has an underground tank here, has insurance on their tank, in case of a "leak" in the tank to cover this. Since our tank had been replaced prior to our purchasing this home, we are okay at this time. Though with new regulations in place now; if we were to replace this existing tank; it would need to go above ground. Then we would need to pay to have this tank removed from the ground; that's where the "trouble" begins. Who knows if the tank prior to this one ever "leaked". That's why everyone carries insurance for this reason.
If we did a tank replacement above ground, due to a recent service walk, driveway, sidewalk replacement - all concrete - and something I noted when they did the service walk - I know for fact they broke the "sleeve" that covered the oil line - therefore, it would be improbable to move the tank to the side of the home. Regardless of that, one would get poor oil pumping from there to the oil burner, we know this for fact from a friend in the HVAC field, who did this and told us never to move it there; where most people do so. The best place to move a new tank to is to the back of the home on the patio near the end, and run the oil lines through what is called the "wet wall" - which leads directly to the "oil burner" itself, which will not restrict the the oil pumping from the tank to the burner.
One really needs to understand these 60 year old homes and they way they were constructed before doing something like this. It's not the norm when changing out a tank, or doing something with the oil burner, like in most homes.
Other than cutting the slab for where baseboard heat had to be installed, one does not want to cut clear across this slab, and have what is called a "floating slab" as a result of that. It would be a nightmare to have that situation on one's hand. The distance is too great from where the lines begin to where the oil burner is located. When we remodeled our kitchen, we were thinking along that line when we had to make a decision about the washer/dryer and relocating it - until we came up with an under the counter washer to resolve that issue - way before they were making front loader washers as they do today. A free "floating slab" is the last thing one wants in a home like this. Again, it's all about the design of theses homes, and what one knows
|07-04-2012 10:41 AM|
Here's a link from a random photo I found on Google:
That's a mighty old boiler. Have you looked into replacing it and putting the copper line from the tank that go through the cement into a sleeve to prevent an environmental disaster?
|07-03-2012 07:40 PM|
|Iaaaiws||In cases where the oil tank is above ground and the oil burner is in the basement do they still have a pump to move the oil or is gravity flow enough? After reading this thread I realized the only experience I have ever had with an oil burner was the old system at hunting camp and that was just a gravity feed dripping fuel oil into the burn pot. There weren't any blowers or ducting or anything, the oil just burned inside the stove and that heated up the camp.|
|07-03-2012 07:23 PM|
This device you are talking about, it would not be able to be seen with how our oil burner is set up. The burner is fully enclosed with metal panels, that are able to be removed, when the burner needs serviced on three sides. But this device would therefore, be inside the oil burner compartment, and not readily available to "read" and/or see it without removing one of the panels where it was installed. Removing the panels is not something we like to do, or even have the service personnel do; they are 60 years old, and not replaceable. So they are not something that any of the homeowner's here like to see removed on a regular basis, especially since they have been painted over and over again through the years.
|07-03-2012 06:05 AM|
|07-03-2012 05:55 AM|
|Dr. J||I was in the basement doing some electrical work and checked out my furnace - only 1 hose/pipe from the tank to the furnace (and water heater).|
|07-02-2012 06:21 PM|
Well, it's a small electrical gizmo that's about 6 x 6 x 4 and it mounts on a standard square box. There's about 5 or 6 wire nuts to connect, that's it. But you need to cut some circuits and feed them tot he box, simple. It should fit on anything you have.
Just be sure you can see it... reading the time it's held the boiler back from firing has made ear to ear smiles.
And we haven't noticed a difference at all in comfort.
Ours is in the basement. Been reading about the tigers and it seems, but I don't know, that it's for an overhead fuel line? Still studying.
|07-02-2012 06:12 PM|
|07-02-2012 05:54 PM|
This was worthwhile installing. Serviceman told me about it, I bought on Ebay NIB at a fantastic price. Surely that'll come around again.
It wasn't a tiger loop, but that's pretty cool to read about. It is a boiler bypass:
and the variable speed pumps described on that page are tempting for a microzone.
Hey, it's up 17 cents.... just like you said would happen. Did someone over there sneeze or what happened to do that?
|07-02-2012 01:16 PM|
Tiger Loop Info:
Prevents bubbles, de-areates - since the Tiger Loop was put on we don't have anymore issues with our Oil Burner as we had been having during the winter months - especially after deliveries occurred.
Do realize our homes originally had radiant heat flooring, and the oil tanks are all underground. Most have replaced the radiant heat flooring with baseboard heating at this point in time, due to the radiant heat flooring eventually leaking, due to them using copper piping 60 years ago, and concrete slabs and copper piping, well, just don't hold up; the copper was eaten up by the concrete through the years and leaked; and you hand to have the slab dug up to find the leak and be repaired. Though it was nice to walk on a nice warm floor all the time in the winter; and upstairs you had radiators in the bedrooms and the bathroom. The oil tanks in the ground with the fuel lines the way they are run, doesn't give us a lot of options either; unless we move the tank above ground; and at some point we will be forced to do so if we need to replace this tank which has already been replaced prior to us moving into this house.
Most people with oil burners have a lot more access to things, than we do, due to the age of our homes and the way they were built; and where things were put.
Again, due to the large number of homes with oil in my immediate area, Independents are not that easy to come by, and going "rogue" is not really the best option if you own your own home; unless you want crappy service here. I can call a few places that are still "family owned" - but still not get better pricing - and the same with the Corporate owned places. We are remaining high priced for home heating at this time. It's like they know they "have us" by the balls, because where else are we going to go and they know this.
The Department of Energy for the U.S. Government has studied our particular area, to see how they could help reduce the cost of oil and heating these homes; and still have not come up with a solution. My home was one of the one's in the study group. One can do a lot of improvements to a 60 year old home to improve the efficiency - but still cannot control the price of oil, that simple
|07-02-2012 12:17 PM|
|emelvee||Sorry to hear your heating oil has been depressed.|
|07-02-2012 12:06 PM|
never heard of a tiger loop.
Our place is independent as well. They don't even sell or service oil systems - only propane. they always have the lowest price in the area and do not upcharge for credit purchases (lots of places will give you the cash price when you call and credit is like 5 cpg more $$)
|07-01-2012 02:48 PM|
We have a good Oil Company, it's privately owned, we know the people, we had them install this oil burner when we moved into this house. My husband even works on their oil trucks It's not an Oil Company that operates out of NYC, instead of locally here, like one used to that was "bought up", like most of them were. Most of the major Companies, are run by conglomerates now.
Independents are hard to come by, because of 18k+ homes all situated in one area, that need oil and service.
|06-30-2012 07:49 AM|
Not disagreeing with you on the service, been there and done that too.
We're benefiting now by getting oil where ever we want and have a 24/7 independent service company. I think they do a much better job paying attention to the details of the annual "tune up" than the oil company ever did.
The independent company also told us about and installed a device called Intellicon which I'm convinced has saved us a bundle. It has a fascinating digital readout of what it's saved. The oil company never suggested anything like that.
The independent also downsized the nozzle and make some other fuel saving improvements by installing a bypass loop of some sort. They improved what they thought was a less than ideal install and much for the better.
There's also something good about not having the annual tuneup done by the same company that wants to sell you oil.
But we're also in a metropolitan area and I'm sure markets are different.
|06-30-2012 07:07 AM|
If it dropped to $2.50 tomorrow, I would be on the phone and I would be purchasing 3x's the amount I normally would be or more, and pre-paying way into the future for my heating oil for my home, knowing how many gallons I normally use over the course of a winter and for heating the water as well. Any left over gallons at the end of the year, would move forward into the next year, and so forth.
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