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|03-01-2013 11:34 AM|
Now, please tell me why people rip Bose apart?
The Bose 901's were supposedly high end speakers back in the 80's. They called them direct reflecting. They had a dozen similar sized drivers - most of which were facing backwards. You had to place them against a wall, just right, to get proper imaging. And to get a somewhat flat frequency response, you had to use their parametric equalizer. That was the trick. The same trick they use in all their cube systems. They charge you thousands to preset an internal equalizer with a house curve, and people are amazed at the sound that comes from a large tweeter and base module. Anyone who knew anything about sound had 10 band eq's with their systems back in the day. For $100 to $150, you could tailor the sound to overcome room abnormalities. You don't see them today because of the lack of a monitor out jack, as well as only being able to process analog signals. Some of the better AVR's have built in equalizers, but they are nothing like what you had back in the day.
|03-01-2013 11:00 AM|
|wlhungdude||at least we agree that they're building shit.|
|03-01-2013 10:15 AM|
I didn't say they were the best. The products don't suck -- they're good -- but I'm sure there are better, cheaper options. People are dicks about the company, almost universally, and it's unwarranted. This mass uniformity of opinion that "Bose is evil and that's the end of the story" is shady. They're just building shit for the mass population -- they sounds good, and it's easy to put together. End of story. If you're an audiophile, buy something else. They're not building it for you.
|03-01-2013 10:12 AM|
Oh, Jesus -- if I was getting paid for this I certainly wouldn't be arguing with a 12-year-old over this shit. I just keep seeing self-righteous/aggressive opinions and I disagree with the mentality. If people were like, "Yeah, they sound fine, which I don't need to have numbers tell me because I have ears and I'm an adult, but they're too expensive," then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But for some weird reason people are bananas about hating the company and it's weird. If you can buy/build a better system so be it.
But people always, always mention the frequency response and the marketing. If the speaker couldn't sound over 8khz, you'd hear it. Easily. The ear can pick up 20,000 khz. I've never heard a Bose speaker and said, "Wow, that was all distorted" or "it couldn't make the sound on that part." And the marketing isn't that impressive. It's probably different because it has super-plain language, doesn't exaggerate -- but they have one frigging commercial. Sorry, two.
I'm not some Bose super-fan; the company's fine. If I wanted a sound system they're probably too expensive and I'd just slickdeal it. But I just don't like holier-than-thou attitudes from people when someone asks about the company. Have some humility that you don't know the whole story.
|03-01-2013 01:04 AM|
"hey buddy, you should go buy something overpriced, then justify your purchase by ignoring science and facts"
yeah, that's what I'm doing. That statement
"...tells other people to practice cognitive dissonance" shows you don't even know what you're talking about.
look at science and facts BEFORE you make the purchase. Especially one with that high of a price tag. You'll find much better options than Bose.
|02-28-2013 01:38 PM|
You must be working for BOSE don't you?
EVERY speaker manufacturer that's worth their peanuts provide specs for their speakers such as sensitivity, impedance, SPL, and yes frequency response.
The same reason why EVERY car provide specs such as horsepower, mpg, etc. Oh, sorry you bought the car because you like its bright green neon color, even though it didn't come with 4 sets of wheels.
Bose don't provide any FR because it plain SUCKS.
Nothing useable exist on their speakers under 200hz, and their highs fall off the cliff way before 8khz. There are peaks and valleys all over when you attempt to measure FR on their speakers. That's why there's the saying..."no lows, no highs, it must be.....blah"
|02-28-2013 01:15 PM|
I don't own a system. I'm arguing because I just keep seeing really weak logic from other people. ("They don't print frequency numbers, so the only possible reason they do that is because they suck.") If you can display your product in a separate area than the others, then you do it. That's pretty simple to figure out. And why would you want the speakers one foot behind your head? But I was wondering about the story behind frequency response thing, so I looked up why they wouldn't display them.
It turns out that frequency response numbers are actually very significant to the company. The guy who started Bose -- Amar Bose, again, an MIT professor -- bought some speakers based on frequency response back in the 60's. Based on the numbers, the speakers should have been really good, but they weren't. He started his own company and was dead-set against using frequency response numbers as a selling point, because when people see those numbers, they base too much information solely on the numbers rather than listening for themselves. Frequency response numbers might be the reason he even started the company!
So, with that, I guess the real question is: is it ironic when someone with this head up his ass tells other people to practice cognitive dissonance? Or it is just annoying?
|02-27-2013 07:44 PM|
yes, they do suck, and they're expensive. you've been drinking their Kool-Aid, or you are trying to justify your own foolish purchase. Ever hear of cognitive dissonance? Do a little research.
|02-27-2013 01:40 PM|
I mean, don't get me wrong, this is pretty expensive. But the Bose-bashing gets to me.
|02-27-2013 01:32 PM|
They don't underperform. They perform perfectly for what they should do. The only problem is the price and lack of sales/discounts.
And, every goddamn company has full page ads. That doesn't make them a marketing juggernaut. I've seen two commercials for Bose in my life. One at 1 AM about their radio, and then recently a commercial during NFL games. That's it.
People who don't like them seem uniformly against them with the exact same bullshit answers. "They're expensive ,...AND they suck!" No they don't. They sound fine. No one has a level-headed opinion about them. It's really weird.
|02-23-2013 05:18 PM|
|02-23-2013 05:09 PM|
|ShishirR||I see the price for this on Amazon is 1299 and in Costco I can get it for 799, is it worth buying? I have Samsung 3D TV and am looking for a good home theater system. Other options are Samsung systems but I am keen on buying Bose. Suggestion please|
|02-22-2013 01:25 PM|
|yurmaster||They get killed on any forum where people take their music/AV experience even moderately serious because its junk science combined with poor quality components at bloated prices.|
|02-22-2013 01:01 PM|
They get killed here because they are overpriced for what they offer. IF the prices were about 75% less, that'd be more reasonable. They appeal to the uninformed masses. And they sue anyone who gives an honest review of their product.
How do you think they can afford full page ads in every magazine you pick up? they sell overpriced, underperforming products. Do your research, instead of drinking the BlOSE kool-aid.
|02-22-2013 12:03 PM|
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