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|08-27-2012 11:44 AM|
I've looked at the ocz and other ssd reviews. No repeats, no wrong products, just 50-250 reviews where half of them say they had a serious problem with the product or services. Other SSD's dont have that.
So explain why some have 5-6% complaints and the ocz's stand alone with 20-55%+ bad reviews? Granted it aint scientific, but like most people I avoid products with hideous reviews and prefer ones with good reviews. While its just an indicator, it IS an indicator...and its not like we're splitting the difference between 5 and 7 percent.
Plus given the industry return info someone else posted, which has OCZ drives failing much more often, and the really specious "We bought 3 and 1 of them was bad" review also in this thread and it seems all the indicators point in the same direction.
Which is to say, you should buy something else. There are great drives selling for similar prices without rebates and other shenanigans. OCZ just puts a rebate on every product because then you can't return it to the retailer, and they want you to pay to ship their badly made product back to them for replacement with another used badly made product.
Yuck. Buy something else. If this was half the price of similar performing, much more reliable drives then maybe the really cheap people could give it a whirl and eat their mistake. But its not.
|08-27-2012 09:32 AM|
|08-27-2012 09:16 AM|
|wrapcity||prices are dropping a lot on SSD, going to wait it out a bit.|
|08-27-2012 09:04 AM|
Your approach towards me is the same as your approach towards this product. Filled with bias, and unhelpful towards others. If you set down the hater-aid for a moment and read where you quoted me above, you will see that I stated that there is ZERO evidence against the controller. That is still true. And it's also a good example of how you are so anti-OCZ that it makes you look foolish. Are you not even the least bit ashamed of yourself? I have a long post history (just go look) searching for objective data on these drives. I wanted to be sure they weren't a timebomb, but I didn't want to hear if from some jerkoff who brough no FACTS to the table, he just burst into his threads looking like a flaming ass with no data, just his opinions. I repeatedly asked the thread for a professional review , because I wanted hard current evidence. You FAILED to provide that. When I showed any interest in questioning your data, you started calling me a "fanboi," because I wanted to make a decision based on facts. What a dick move.
I've never been an OCZ fan or h8r.I could care less about the brand. I wanted the product to stand on its own merits. I investigated the pros and cons of this product myself because I was considering buying it. Along the way, I had to put up with alot of static from both h8rs and fanbois alike. People that think like that (black or white) have more opinion than they have sense.
While your opinion may have turned out to be right (no thanks to your investigative skills) ,you are still a stupid ass. If you have anymore issues with me, keep it to a PM. We don't need anymore of your opinions.
|08-27-2012 08:59 AM|
|08-27-2012 08:51 AM|
Here's what tweaktown had to say, which is the same advice I gave yesterday that you poo-poo'd...
"Given what we think is going on and the Newegg data, you shouldn't buy an OCZ Agility 4 unless you are feeling lucky. If you are feeling that lucky take the money to Vegas, turn it into more money and then buy a proven SSD like the Vertex 4 or better yet a Vertex 3 that has already went through reliability issues and is now a reliable SSD. With that out of the way, we can say that the OCZ Agility 4 has a very low price point. OCZ did a really good job on the price. We've even heard from other manufacturers that OCZ is really disrupting their product releases and prices, shaving the margins to little slivers of profit. Other manufacturers are the only people who can complain about OCZ's pricing on the Agility 4.
Then there is the performance. In a single user environment where low queue depths make up the majority of the reads, this drive is, well... it's just pretty bad. The low 170MB/s limits imposed for a single read request is very low for a modern day SATA III SSD. In our testing we had the Agility 4 coming in behind an aging Vertex 2 in the real-world single user tasks. This is something that enthusiasts and power users will notice when trying to work with large files."
Hmm, unreliable and slow. Just what I want in a disk drive.
|08-27-2012 08:40 AM|
So you have one example of a very good manufacturer with low DOA rates that validation tests the product so their customers don't have to, and one that did none of that and let their customers shoulder the burden.
To be fair, samsung had some issues with the 830 and crucial with their m4 early on, but ssd's were expensive specialty items then so not many people experienced them. But at this point if you buy an ssd with a new controller and firmware (as is the case with the agility/vertex 4) you stand to have problems for the first six months until the firmware is shaken out.
As before, I advise waiting another couple of months on these drives until the twice monthly firmware updates slow down and hopefully stop. Unless you can shelve it for a while, buy something else. The prices on reliable drives aren't $50 more or 50% more as the strawmen posters claim, you can buy a nice drive with no problems for pennies more per GB and its worth it.
|08-27-2012 08:36 AM|
Purchase 3 drives from retail for review, 1 out of 3 failed? Instantly?
I guess if I do buy OCZ SSD, it has to be from local store, where I can go for instant exchange....even then, my god, think of all the hassles and backup your system is a must requirement, if you use an OCZ SSD
Someone pointed out earlier, review sites gets cherry picked sample....how true that is...
|08-27-2012 08:35 AM|
|08-27-2012 08:09 AM|
|08-27-2012 08:09 AM|
Okay, here's the lowdown. This drive is a no go.
Here is a recent (two weeks ago) review, from a professional review site, of Agility 4 with the newest firmware. Give it up to the boys at Tweaktown. They got 3 drives, one failed instantly. They investigated. They broke open the drives and noticed that two of the drives had flash chips made by Micron, and the other one had flash chips made by OCZ. Of the three, which one do you guys think failed? The problem is not Indilinx Everest 2 controller, it is the OCZ-binned flash chips. Found your problem!
And to think... I almost let OCZ back into my heart. And what do we say to that OCZ salesman? Not today !
Also, If your willing to RMA back for some Micron flavored flash, then that's your prerogative.
For those not wanting the risk.... You have been warned.
|08-27-2012 08:04 AM|
Second, there are other firms doing what OCZ is doing, buying flash memory, slap on a Sandforce controller, and sell it. Look, we don't have to look very far, in my previous post, I listed
- Corsair 2.93% (as against 2.9%)
- OCZ 7.03% (as against 4.2%)
I've seen Corsair's share of complaints, users on other forums complaining about Corsair not updating their firmware, etc. However, when you are confronted with some real data on returns, coupled with so much negative review on OCZ SSD in general, you can't just play the blame game, "it's not me" anymore. OCZ does seem to be different.
Also, in this thread, in this post, it was stated "Check your facts Sandisk Extremes are reliable but use a SF controller. so OCZ failures are more a matter of bad FW and QC "
Third, Agility/Vertex 4 series using Everest 2 uses Marvell silicon .
In my one of my post in another thread, I said I'm willing to pay higher price for Intel/Crucial/Samsung/Plextor and followed closely with Sandisk/Mushkin/Kingston SSD. I also said OCZ will require discount price to entice me. It's simply my preference. For those who aren't concerned about potential problems of dealing with RMA, corrupt drive, etc. OCZ is a great fit, cheaper price, good performance and even on their worst return rate drive, you still have about 85% chance not having to RMA your Agility 2 drive within 1 year of purchase.
I believe this drive uses a rebranded Marvel silicon. Multiple review sites have provided information on this matter. If you look at the newegg's own IOP data and Read/Write, it's not a typical Sandforce 2281 controller result.
Support or hate OCZ is fine. I own some OCZ Ram that has been working flawlessly for many years. It saddens me to see OCZ's current SSD state. I'm stilling willing to purchase OCZ SSD, it's just after all the evidence I have seen, given the fact I can't afford to spend hours after hours of troubleshooting and frustration over a failed SSD/HDD, I can only justify purchase OCZ SSD if it has enough discount.
Again, this is just my preference, for people who are on a tight budget, who wants to jump into SSD market and who can afford the possible trouble down the road (let me remind people, it's possible, not certain, majority of OCZ drives seem to be fine), then OCZ is a pretty good choice.
|08-27-2012 07:55 AM|
This might explain why quality control is so poor.
“I believe my only felony conviction was for trafficking in stolen property in exchange for marijuana,” - CEO of OCZ Ryan Petersen
|08-27-2012 07:19 AM|
|08-27-2012 06:09 AM|
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