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|Topic Review (Newest First)|
|02-05-2013 07:22 PM|
Is the trackpad compatible with OSX? Obviously there would probably be some work to get gestures to work... but if some of the basics worked, I'd be happy.
Anyone have experience with that? (Lenovo's site is scary, screaming "WINDOWS 8" in your face at every turn regarding this product. Thus my asking)
|02-01-2013 10:04 AM|
|01-30-2013 08:54 AM|
|01-29-2013 04:29 PM|
I just received delivery of the Lenovo touchpad yesterday. Plugged it in and played around with it for 5 minutes. Your hints will be of great help in figuring out how to work the controls.
|01-29-2013 03:24 AM|
yeah, for me the 5-finger gesture for volume is special because my desktop keyboards are old-fashioned with no volume controls on them.
and for my laptops, only one has dedicated volume buttons. the others require me to hold down a function key. I'd rather do a 1-hand gesture than use 2 hands to adjust volume.
|01-29-2013 01:48 AM|
|namlook||This thing works great for an HTPC running win 8 if you do minimal typing. You can use this trackpad and the onscreen win8 keyboard for everything.|
|01-29-2013 01:10 AM|
|brulaha||Just to supplement dirtyvu's review, I am using this on a windows 7 Lenovo t430s. It is fully supported by windows 7. Just plug it in and it works without loading any drivers, at least on my machine, which is fairly up to date. Of course windows 8 specific gestures don't work, like pulling up the charms bar etc. However, four finger swipe down brings you to the desktop. Three finger swipe horizontal will move you forward and back. Two finger scroll is the best I've seen on a non Mac machine. Five finger gestures can control the volume, though kinda silly as I have those controls on my keyboard. Very responsive; actually quite impressed. It works better than the native touch pad on the t430s. I'm running the computer on a dock with a 27" IPS extreme def monitor. I have a mouse to my right and the touch pad to my left. I wouldn't like it with just the pad and no mouse, but it actually is a nice supplement. I plan on migrating to windows 8 shortly, and felt the touch pad was a necessity, however it does work with windows 7 no problems at all.|
|01-28-2013 11:01 PM|
Now to do an actual click... imagine a teeter-toter. if you click to the left of the fulcrum, it'll be a left click. if you click to the right, it'll be a right click. the pad will actually sink when you physically give it a solid push. if you click it in the middle, it's a 50/50 shot whether it'll be a right or left click. now, it's possible to click higher up in the pad but then it's a matter of physics. meaning, since it's farther away, you have to press with more force to get it to actuate. though I can't imagine a person preferring clicking the pad rather than tapping it.
right-clicking is taking some adjusting for me. since your finger is both controlling the cursor and actuating the button press, sometimes as my finger is clicking down to do the right-click, I end up shifting the mouse cursor so I miss what I wanted to right-click. I'm also trying to get used to right-clicking without looking at the pad. it's silly to take your eyes off the screen just to right-click.
I know buttons are ugly. But they're practical. If there were true buttons, I wouldn't worry about moving the mouse cursor while pressing the button.
|01-28-2013 10:03 PM|
I think I remember someone saying that you could kind of hear/feel the click of the pad while using it when you were just moving the mouse cursor and not clicking. Did you find that happens with yours? Also, how does it differentiate left/right clicks?
|01-28-2013 09:29 PM|
|01-28-2013 08:07 PM|
actually, I was using Chrome which has no touch support or gesture support. I should've tried IE10. IE10 has fabulous touch support. Firefox has bad touch support (it takes like half a second between when you do the motion and when it actually happens).
*EDIT* after further use of the zoom feature, I take back some of my negativity. It doesn't work as responsively as a touch screen but it works better than I initially said. Even in Chrome, I could zoom which is something you can't do with a touch screen.
now, if the Logitech has great zoom support, that would TOTALLY SWAY me toward the Logitech, even $15 more for it. After $15, I'd probably stick with the Lenovo.
now, just to clarify. the biggest advantages of this touchpad over traditional trackpads or mice/trackballs is the display desktop and display Start screen motions. and the volume controls. these are AWESOME with the touchpad. there's no equivalent for a mouse or a keyboard (they depend on the Windows key). in fact, the touchpad is better than even a touchscreen in terms of volume controls (of course, if you have a multimedia keyboard with volume controls, that decreases the benefit of the touchpad volume controls). another cool gesture that I didn't even know until now... you can do the swipe from top to down to close windows and desktop apps! before, I thought with desktop apps or open windows, you had to click on the eXit button. I found out by accidentally closing a photo program with the swipe.
here are some pics I took:
|01-28-2013 07:58 PM|
|01-28-2013 07:19 PM|
alright, here's my impressions of the touchpad:
There are no drivers or software to install. It recognizes as a standard HID.
If you were never a fan of trackpads and stuck to mice/trackballs, this won't change your mind. If you're used to using a trackpad, you'll feel right at home here. If you've always kind of hated how the cursor tracks with a trackpad, this won't change your mind. It behaves very much like a traditional trackpad and so you should switch to traditional trackpad behaviors. For example, rather than holding down the left mouse button and dragging a window (which still works), it's better to tap the pad, then tap again and on the second tap, you hold and drag the window. Habits that regular users of trackpads use.
There are areas along the bottom of the touchpad for left and right mouse buttons. When you press on the area, the pad will actually sink and click. It feels kind of like when an object is on an uneven surface and you press down which causes the device to rock.
All the motions work pretty much as expected. EXCEPT ZOOM. ZOOM is pretty awful. I bought this touchpad for a secondary desktop PC that doesn't have a touch screen. My primary desktop machines does have a touch screen (the awesome Acer 23"). On a touch screen, the pinch in and out works terrifically and depending on how much finger motion, it will zoom appropriately (i.e., really spread the fingers, it will zoom significantly, minor spreads leads to minor zoom). Now with the touchpad, no matter what motion you do, the zoom is very insignificant and not at all touch-like. So you have to do a bunch of little zooms with each motion. You can change this by changing the mouse behaviors in the mouse control panel, but then it screws up general mousing of the cursor.
When doing the multitouch gestures, it works better if you spread your fingers a tiny bit so that each touch is distinct. In the gesture diagram, it says to jam your fingers together but this is not necessary. Plus, spreading your fingers makes it more comfortable. When I first saw the 5 finger gestures, it looked so awkward to line up your fingers closely but you don't have to do that. In fact, you can do a claw for your fingers and do the up motion and it'll do a Volume Up even though the fingers are on different levels and far apart.
Now, the experience of using the multitouch is very similar to using a touch screen. So you can use the touchpad as a trackpad substitute and a touch screen substitute (for the most part). Here's where the touchpad differs significantly from a touch screen. When you're doing an edge swipe with a touch screen, your finger is already there and you just tap on the button. So if you do a right edge swipe, you see the charms bar and your finger is already right there to tap the charm. With the touchpad, you do the edge swipe to reveal the charms bar and then you have to mouse the cursor over to the charms bar to select the charm. Now, if your mouse cursor was on the far left side of the monitor, that can be a lot to get your mouse cursor over to the charm bar and kind of defeats the purpose of the edge swipe.
Or worse yet, if you have a multimonitor setup and your mouse cursor is on the far monitor. For example, I have a 3 monitor setup. If my mouse cursor is on my desktop on the far left monitor and my Start screen is on the far right monitor... I do the edge swipe to bring up the Charms bar and then I have to move the mouse cursor across 3 monitors. Now, I set my pointer speed to very high so it's not much of an issue for me. But for people that have a low pointer speed, that's a lot of mousing.
The area of the touchpad is quite large and luxurious, especially if you're used to tiny trackpads of most laptops.
The surface is not glass-like at all. There is some light friction but it's not as much friction as the typical trackpad. But it's not gliding like the Logitech T650.
it runs off a pair of AA's. the pad is angled and not flat.
the instructions are awful. what you get is what you've seen in the PDF.
I've changed the diagram and reorganized it to make it make more sense. Hopefully it helps some people out there:
For gaming, it games like a trackpad. So that means you're probably going to be sticking to your mouse or trackball for gaming.
some final thoughts:
1) the touchpad is kind of a weird mix of gestures. I'm used to using Windows 8 with a touch screen. And I'm used to using Windows 8 with a mouse/trackball. And I'm used to using Windows 8 with keyboard shortcuts. But using the touchpad kind of throws me off because it blends things together. For example, as I think it's easier to use a right-click of a mouse/trackball to bring up the app context menu rather than the touchpad edge swipe (even though I love the edge swipe of the touch screen because your finger is alright right there after a swipe so tapping the context option is easy). In my head, it's easier for me to switch paradigms that are clear. When I use my touch screen, my mind automatically switches to touch screen gestures. When I use the mouse and keyboard, my mind automatically goes to the right-click and the Windows key shortcuts. With this touchpad, it's like both sides of my brain are fighting.
2) I have used the Logitech T650 in the store but for no more than 10 minutes. How does this compare? I find them pretty much even. I like the glass-like surface of the Logitech more. The size of the pad are about equal. The T650 has a built-in nonchangeable rechargeable lithium battery. The Lenovo uses easy-to-replace AA batteries. Both have USB dongles. The motions between the Lenovo and Logitech are different. While the basic Win8 motions are the same like the edge swipes, the others have variance.
Is the Logitech worth twice as much as the Lenovo? Heck no. If the Logitech was $35-40 and the Lenovo was $30, I'd strongly consider the Logitech as that glass surface is so nice. But even then, I think I'd still pocket the $5-10 and get some Starbucks. But that surface aside, I think I was actually more successful doing typical PC chores with the Lenovo than the Logitech. I read that the Logitech has software to install and that it's configurable. I didn't have a chance to go in there to try it out. Maybe that would've improved my impression of the Logitech if I could change its behavior and speed of the pointer to my tastes. The Lenovo, again, has no software. It's all configured in the Windows Mouse area of the control panel.
Bottom line, am I happy to have it? Well, in a perfect world, I'd have a touch screen and my trackball with me. That's the best combo. Some things are better with a touch screen and some things are better with a mouse/trackball.
The Lenovo is much better than any trackpads of any of my laptops. If Lenovo fixed the Zoom (which I doubt they will), I'd have a better opinion. I'll stick with the Lenovo and see if I can adapt to this mixing paradigm.
|01-27-2013 10:11 PM|
|werds||Did anyone else pay using the great and evil PayPal? I ask merely because I received shipping confirmation and they supposedly will be arriving today (Monday), but the transaction through PP shows as expired so Lenovo placed the request for money but it was never completed (not sure how that all works...) I would assume the money will end up coming out sooner or later but when I check the FAQ about expired transactions it says to contact vendor (which I have no interest in doing!)|
|01-27-2013 03:14 PM|
a lot of PC laptops have old style trackpads that don't recognize multitouch. and the few that had multitouch had bad designs that were rushed out in response to the Apple version.
If you want a good multitouch trackpad for the PC side of things, you need a Windows 8 certified PC because to be classified as Windows 8 certified, the hardware specs have to meet the minimum Win8 specs. like 5 point touch for a touch screen.
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