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|02-20-2013 08:22 AM|
Also hardware drivers have absolutely nothing to do with interacting with a specific website. If this Mac can access any other website, beside hotmail.com, then you can rule out it being a network card driver issue. Thats not to say its not a software issue, because it most likely is, but its just not a driver issue.
I really think you don't know what you're doing.
|02-19-2013 07:51 AM|
You call out Mac user intelligence. I say, in response, sarcastically, "and the majority of Windows users are geniuses?" The issue here is with your choice of language. Rather than saying "most computer users are unable to help themselves", you specifically said "most MAC users are unable to help themselves." I pointed out that by singling out Mac users you were de facto stating that Windows users were somehow more intelligent. Your language was imprecise; I called you on it.
"Does not cover" means that if you make mods they don't support, they will not help you. "Void" means that if you make mods they don't support, they will NEVER help you. There is a HUGE difference. Voiding one's warranty means that you can never use the warranty services again.
Apple in no way claims that if you install "unsupported" software that they'll never cover you again. They simply won't try and support the thing you did. Is your grasp of the English language so tenuous that you'd confuse these two basic concepts?
Doesn't that price tag look familiar?
Furthermore, let the record show that *I* was not the one who came into a thread about a 30% discount on the retail price of a good in HIGH demand and begin insulting people. You came here to spout off your uneducated nonsense and treat those who called you out quite poorly. I came here to put you in your place. You can try and paint me as the "jackass" but you're the one who came to the party determined to put other people down.
I'm sorry, little boy. You came here expecting to win and you got your panties handed back to you. Go sulk for a while, assure yourself that you won this round. Meanwhile, I'll take solace in the fact that every person reading this thread, who was looking for a deal on AppleCare, saw a troll get shut down hard, and slink off with his tail between his legs.
If YOU respond, rest assured I will read your points. I'm not optimistic that they will be coherent, but hey, I've been wrong before.
|02-19-2013 07:02 AM|
If you weren't so cocky, you would be more tolerable... The fact that you take yourself too seriously just makes me want to avoid you all together. I like to converse with intelligent people, and I give credit where it is due, but you just take whatever you can get and grab every opportunity to elevate yourself beyond reason.
Here we go:
1) "i never claimed you thought Windows users were smarter. You specifically called out Mac owner intelligence"
"Right, and the "majority" of Windows users are geniuses? Are you listening to yourself?"
I forgot to add that you like to argue with yourself...
2) "And Apple doesn't even say it voids the warranty: it just says 'the warranty does not cover 3rd-party software or software that uses the device in an 'unintended' way.'"
Please, just read over that line over a couple of times... I didn't know weather to smile or stare blankly into space while reading that, observing how your though process is resolved while the facts remain unresolved. Hint: Use your critical thinking and synthesis skills - look back to your graduate studies here, they might provide some useful insight.
3) "As a contrast, look at Microsoft's warranting of its software:"
By contrast, MS doesn't produce hardware packages - they also do not provide warranty on such non-existent hardware setups. They do not charge a premium for such hardware setups either.
4) "But I was not flaunting my intelligence in my last post; I was establishing credibility"
Is there an echo in here? Do yourself a favor and read the post you are responding to, next time. Yes, you are a douche. Yes it's because you tout your credibility, only to act and converse like a self-important jackass, with a condescending attitude and all while providing unnecessary, unimportant details.
4b) "And I believe I've demonstrated both. If you disagree, respond; this is more interesting than the RFI I have to finish."
Don't forget to update your Facebook status...
Like many technically adept professionals I've met and know, you are mentally under-developed and immature - calling you a child would give children a bad name. Hey, look at me. Look what I can do. Someone please give me a pat on the back or a cookie... This isn't god-forsaken Facebook and there is no one to impress here, save for the occasional mouth-breather.
But hey, chances are you won't change, and that's not my problem.
5) "Well, according to every internationally recognized measure of intelligence, I actually am exceptionally intelligent. Would you like me to send you my transcripts from undergrad and grad school, and/or my IQ score? I'd be happy to do so."
Yes, please. Can you send it over on several rolls of 2-ply? I'm running a bit low on bath paper. (Yes, you can wipe your ass with your degrees and IQ). Too bad social skills don't have an standardized testing system, though: I can imagine you borderline on social retard and elitist.
6) "My entire point, through both of these posts, is:
You were not qualified to troubleshoot your neighbor's machine, and you blamed your lack of competence on Apple. You were exceptionally arrogant when others tried to point this out, so I responded with a similar level of arrogance which appears to have (somewhat) cowed you
Apple is not uniquely good or bad from a consumer-perspective for any software-oriented support"
You totally ignored my points, but I'm not surprised you try to take advantage of the situation, using my own words to belittle me (my carte blanche 'agree'). Such is the nature of the pig and I should have known better than to give you any credit, despite these being the points you brought up that were not even in contention (I would explain exactly what I agreed with, but I'd rather not even bother) - pearls before swine.
I was hoping for a more intelligent conversation, but I know when I'm dealing with uncultured ('educated' yet ignorant) swine - so I hope others excuse my being curt and rudeness. I don't have a very high tolerance for people who don't realize how limited they really are - those who don't appreciate or deserve what they get.
Please feel free to reply to these comments and have the last word. Fortunately (for me), I won't be back to read them, as you read on, basking in the company and indulgence of your own farts.
Edit: Thank god for filters, just realized this option was available outright (for squelching lonely old perverts =)
|02-18-2013 08:52 PM|
|02-18-2013 01:19 PM|
Case in point: I have an HP machine I purchased for my father in 2007-8, and the only drivers HP provides are for Windows Vista. Not XP and not 7. I managed to get XP running on it through some driver acrobatics, and *technically* I can use most Vista drivers in 7, but the fact is that none of it is officially supported. Apple, in general, is much easier when it comes to this: if you have an Intel Mac, you're golden through Snow Leopard. If you have a 64-bit Intel Mac, you're solid through Mountain Lion. You never need to download any drivers for your core system; it's just covered.
|02-18-2013 09:40 AM|
|rocky567||Get a squaretrade warranty that also covers the accidental damage. it is almost the same price.|
|02-18-2013 08:42 AM|
|PC Oibo||It says I cannot checkout because I have a billing address in Florida. WTF?|
|02-18-2013 08:14 AM|
You appear to be back-pedaling. I am not a cruel man; if you want to change your position, that's fine. But let's be clear that your position was: Mac owners are stupid.
I see nothing that is not standard here. Software manipulation voiding a warranty is very standard: when you flash an Android phone with a custom ROM, you void the warranty. (Note I did not say rooting the phone, as that has been deemed legal.) This is cookie cutter language. And Apple doesn't even say it voids the warranty: it just says "the warranty does not cover 3rd-party software or software that uses the device in an 'unintended' way."
As a contrast, look at Microsoft's warranting of its software: namely, it does not offer one for OEM products. If your computer's software breaks for ANY reason, it's your issue, and computer manufacturers (like Dell, HP, and Lenovo) specifically DISCLAIM software warranty in their hardware warranties. So if you mess up your software for ANY reason, not just "software modification", you don't even have a warranty to void.
So your issue is that Apple offers a warranty at all? Or what?
Leopard (OSX 10.5, r. Q4 2007) was the last PPC-compatible OS. Leopard is important because it was released AFTER all PPC Macs stopped being sold. So if we assume your neighbor had a PPC Mac (and not an Intel one), there is no way that your neighbor had Leopard installed when he purchased his machine, meaning that (unless he upgraded it himself) he had a clear upgrade path to a new OS.
I used Leopard for years, and nearly all OSX software states that "it is compatible with OSX 10.5 and beyond." However, this will not be the case much longer, as both Microsoft and Apple are moving to 64-bit OSes. (Windows 8 and Mountain Lion are both 64-bit only.)
Your stipulation is that "Apple support" told you it was "not supported." I find this very hard to believe, but you're not giving us all of the information. The Mac ID, the current OS, and the issue he was having all play into this. If he has an Intel Mac, it's AT LEAST supported through Snow Leopard. If he has a PPC Mac, it is supported through Leopard. If you asked if his Mac was supported in Mountain Lion and they said "no", they were telling you the truth. But that doesn't mean there wasn't AN option available to him. Should Apple have offered that? Probably. But when was the last time any computer retailer held your hand properly? They want to push new machines. It sucks.
Does it make me an asswipe to flaunt my intelligence? According to universally accepted standards of polite conversation, absolutely. But I was not flaunting my intelligence in my last post; I was establishing credibility. I have worked with technology for more than 15 years. I have worked with a variety of machines. Apple machines are well-made, expensive, and difficult to repair, but so are ANY machines that target the same engineering goals. My listing of software-that-I-use was to show that I use all three major OSes because each have their advantages. Your post was directly attacking the Mac ecosystem, and I was providing proof that I am suitably experienced in all three OSes to say that your claims are invalid. You can choose to reject my credentials; I don't much care. I was taught to always support my arguments with evidence, even if it is anecdotal.
Where it is unique is in its convenience and customer service, which is why I purchase extended warranties for most of my Apple devices. It saves me the headache of performing repairs or troubleshooting basic issues, since my entire family calls me whenever there's a problem with anything remotely technological.
My entire point, through both of these posts, is:
And I believe I've demonstrated both. If you disagree, respond; this is more interesting than the RFI I have to finish.
|02-18-2013 06:34 AM|
|02-18-2013 06:31 AM|
I never said nor implied windows users were smarter than Mac users... whatever bias or issues you have are your own.
You might care to actually read into apples terms of service, specifically on their software manipulation - ask someone you know who can read and understand this legalese - very useful to know. I have a feeling that you are capable of doing your own 'research' here, but you might want to look into it for yourself.
What you think I did is actually not even close - his machine was simply 'not supported'. Ill try to get his Mac ID the next time I see him so you can go ahead and argue with apple support and convince them otherwise.
Who knows you might be right - in which case apple support is either incapable or dishonest.
I do find it interesting how you go about listing your credentials, however... Setting up networks and personally crimping cables, all by yourself... Repairing and completely disassembling and reassembling numerous laptops, macbooks and ultrabooks... that you P2P and torrent copyrighted software like every other butt-wipe out there... utilizing Backtrack, etc.
It might surprise you to know that you aren't special.. or exceptionally intelligent... Somewhat of an ass-wipe, maybe
You sound like a fairly competent individual, though - maybe you could work at apple tech support one day and give customers some much needed info (if you don't already) - apple support sure as hell isn't. It sounds as though you might have an idea of and/or experience in the field, in which case, you already know better than to not waste your time
|02-18-2013 06:02 AM|
Still considering if I should buy it or not
Thanks for rep!
|02-18-2013 05:43 AM|
|red_devil32||not sure if i should buy extended apple care or just sell my 2012 mac air and upgrade? the money it costs for apple care is about the same as the money i would lose by selling it used so I would rather take the loss and upgrade (always newest gen, 1 year warranty)|
|02-18-2013 05:37 AM|
what? I get a box mailed to me... shoot I better order asap good thing I can still register as long I place the order while still under warranty.
Thanks Jason, rep ya
|02-18-2013 05:18 AM|
Several browsers were tested (safari, mozilla, etc) and all suffered from the same issue - whatever specific web functionality it was, it required new macosx updates/drivers. The problem was researched in depth and multiple sources confirmed the issue - so the only option (based on my neighbors wish to remain on mac and not possibly void any warranty) was to change email service, and not bypass apple limits on installing a newer osx.
It is unfortunate that helping others and looking out for their best interest, without asking for anything in return (payment or otherwise), makes you feel bad. Your ailment will be in the thoughts and prayers, courtesy of the SD 'Freebies' group.
Yep... Words is difficult. This might be a familiar scene to you, if you've ever picked something up with the intent to read (ie: in books/newspapers/magazines - literary media - or 'walls of text,' as you so cleverly put.)
I'll be the first to notify you, once SD decides to undergo the transformation to graphics only (you might better recall hearing of this novel concept as 'picture book').
Good god - it's capable of thought!
"either her computer is an ancient relic (pre-2005 I would imagine) or you're not qualified to operate a computer."
The computer is in fact old, yet still capable of running newer software, aside from apples hardware locked osx - though it's possible to bypass.
It is funny that you assume my neighbor is a woman, however - it would have to be a typical apple user though, a middle aged woman with no technical expertise or sensibility and deep pockets
I am curious on the qualifications you consider essential in order to be able to operate a computer, however - apparently, they would have to be exceedingly minimal no non-existent.
|02-18-2013 03:06 AM|
2. Email it to me
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