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|03-10-2013 05:55 AM|
For kicks and giggles, I submit SEIU President Mary Kay Henry and Teamsters President Jim Hoffa. Oh wait sins of the father, right? That applies to anyone on the left. I admit to dropping that name just to rattle your cage, might as well mention Nazi financier Prescott Bush too
|03-09-2013 05:41 AM|
|andyfico||So did we ever get those 2 shining examples of good Union leaders? I heard it was easy to provide them so I'm not sure what the delay is.|
|03-05-2013 07:15 AM|
Bob the welder makes $2 more than he should (?) cause of unions. Pitchforks!
An incredible amount of C level executives and damn near the entire financial industry can't justify its own pay. Grumble grumble.
|02-28-2013 04:48 PM|
Unions have also been the cause of a fair part of the economic issue. Companies like the GM were pushed to compensate workers more than they could afford in pay, benifits, and retirement. We can't put companies in a position where they have to deal with a union with a monopoly on labor. We protect people from a monopoly, why don't we protect businesses as well. Unions can't be allowed to price gouge. I know they don't usually have that effect, but some have and that needs to change.
|02-28-2013 04:11 PM|
however, merit requires quantification. valid measurements are not always possible.
|02-28-2013 04:00 PM|
If 100% isn't statistically excessive, I don't know what is.
|02-28-2013 01:29 PM|
|02-28-2013 01:00 PM|
My biggest problem with unions isn't the corruption, the corruption is everywhere, not just unions. My biggest problem with unions is that most of them do not support merit based pay and promotions. Instead they support seniority based pay and promotions. I don't think a 10 year employee who has been mediocure should be paid more than a 5 year employee who has been great. Merit is in the best interest of the business and employees who care and try hard. Seniority is in the best interest of the lazy and those not capable of being better than the average employee.
|02-28-2013 12:54 PM|
|02-28-2013 12:50 PM|
|02-28-2013 12:48 PM|
Let's save us both a lot of time by using a little logic.
We both agree (not that that means we're right, but let's go with it) that being good -- or at least "normal" -- rarely makes the news and gets reported. We agree that it's much easier to find evidence of people being bad, since there's more media coverage.
So if you're only occasionally seeing media coverage of a couple random unions (keep in mind, by going into mexico, we've opened up international waters and have take the number of unions from thousands to hundreds of thousands or perhaps millions), what do you conclude about the other unions that you're NOT hearing about?
<insert logic here>
|02-28-2013 12:24 PM|
|02-28-2013 12:20 PM|
|02-28-2013 12:02 PM|
I would look at public financial documents and see where they spent the money. That is usually the only step needed to find the guilt.
I was trying to find the face palm emoticon yesterday. Thanks for helping me find that.
|02-28-2013 11:54 AM|
anyway, start doing your research. It would only take forever for you to find good ones if every single one was bad. Take a list of unions, research each leader, stop when you've found good ones.
"name a union leader that's good. I'll bet you can't!"
"oh you're right. but that union doesn't count."
Gross generalizations get us nowhere.
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