Originally Posted by vsp (Post 37588619)

What is the panel lottery people are talking about? I am very interested in this as the width is less than 36 inches and it would fit my cabinet.

Originally Posted by MrCodeDude (Post 37589059)

I think LG used a variety of panels for these televisions, some which are better than others. I'm pretty sure, in terms of quality, it goes S-IPS > MVA > TN. I think LG uses both S-IPS and MVA panels for these televisions.

Originally Posted by MrCodeDude (Post 37589059)

I think LG used a variety of panels for these televisions, some which are better than others. I'm pretty sure, in terms of quality, it goes S-IPS > MVA > TN. I think LG uses both S-IPS and MVA panels for these televisions.

Originally Posted by vsp (Post 37589683)

Thanks, repped. So, why is S-IPS or MVA so worrisome?

Originally Posted by the_web_diva (Post 37588393)

Does Newegg do price match? I bought this TV for 599 this month? If they don't I'm returning the one I bought for refund because the volume leveling isn't working and I'll buy today.

Originally Posted by MrCodeDude (Post 37590067)

Solely from what I've read from wikipedia [wikipedia.org], S-IPS panels have the best (vertical) viewing angles and color reproduction, followed by MVA, then TN.

I have both Dell S-IPS and TN monitors and for daily use, I don't really notice that much of a difference between them. While I don't doubt S-IPS is a superior technology, I don't think the average end-user is going to notice a difference between the panels; especially if they're not able to compare them side-by-side.

That being said, if you're going to pay the same price for either panel, naturally, everyone is going to want the higher quality (S-IPS) panel.

Originally Posted by BlueAc (Post 37589873)

Can you refuse delivery on VA panel unit? I may be in for one for my bedroom but I dont wanna get stuck with a bad one or have to be the restocking fee.

Originally Posted by BlueAc (Post 37589873)

Can you refuse delivery on VA panel unit? I may be in for one for my bedroom but I dont wanna get stuck with a bad one or have to be the restocking fee.

Originally Posted by youra6 (Post 37590345)

Hmm seems if you see "D" in product code, it's different panel. If you see "W" then it's IPS panel. For example:

ZA-BEUWLJG (IPS)
ZA-AUSWLUR (IPS)

AUSDLUR (Other)
BEUDLJP (Other)
USDLUR(Other)

So basically, look at the serial number. AA-AAAW

If the fourth letter is a "W" then it is an IPS panel. If it is AA-AAAD or any other letter, then it is not IPS.

You will know before you even take it out of the box.

Originally Posted by BlueAc (Post 37590503)

I get that part. My question is if I see its the VA panel, can just say I dont want it and make UPS take it back? And do I avoid the restocking fee?

Originally Posted by youra6 (Post 37590579)

I dont know if UPS will take it back. What I do know is that if you CALL them and tell them nicely that this TV is not what you wanted, they will let you return it with a pre-paid shipping label (if the TV is unopened). No re-stocking fee.

Originally Posted by youra6 (Post 37590579)

I dont know if UPS will take it back. What I do know is that if you CALL them and tell them nicely that this TV is not what you wanted, they will let you return it with a pre-paid shipping label (if the TV is unopened). No re-stocking fee.

Originally Posted by youra6 (Post 37590345)

Hmm seems if you see "D" in product code, it's different panel. If you see "W" then it's IPS panel. For example:

ZA-BEUWLJG (IPS)
ZA-AUSWLUR (IPS)

AUSDLUR (Other)
BEUDLJP (Other)
USDLUR(Other)

So basically, look at the serial number. AA-AAAW

If the fourth letter is a "W" then it is an IPS panel. If it is AA-AAAD or any other letter, then it is not IPS.

You will know before you even take it out of the box.

Originally Posted by vsp (Post 37590779)

They wont charge the restocking fee is its unopened but they will have you pay for shipping. Thats what has happenned to be with the previous 2 returns. If the unit is damaged, they take it back and give you a prepaid shipping label and dont charge restocking fees as well.

Originally Posted by cheese2good (Post 37591163)

Think I'm better off getting a 42" plasma (lower end Samsung or Panasonic) for about the same price instead?

Originally Posted by vsp (Post 37591147)

Still on the edge. Have a good working 3 year old 32 inch Westinghouse LCD with another year of Extended support from Bestbuy (bought it for less than 200 and paid $40 for 4 year extended warranty). Tempted to upgrade to the 37 inch for the family room. Can someone comment of the border width of the TV?

Originally Posted by e006006 (Post 37592719)

So, this TV is good until unless its VA panel (D in product code). Is that correct?
I purchased a LG42LD550 recently in Frys for $549 which has net cast etc. So, I am not sure if I need to give a try with this one. What do you say? thanks for suggestions.

Originally Posted by MrCodeDude (Post 37593051)

I don't think it's quite that drastic. The S-IPS panels are technically better, but for most end-users, I'm assuming real world gains are negligible.

I can't think of a good analogy, but I'm assuming it's kind of like CPU stepping. While the CPUs all carry the same model number, certain batches/steppings would consistently result in higher overclocking results.

Originally Posted by e006006 (Post 37593139)

So which one do you prefer.

LG42LD550 at $549 or LG37LE5300 at $479?

Originally Posted by youra6 (Post 37593195)

$549.. How? :drool::drool:

Originally Posted by e006006 (Post 37593255)

Is said I purchased it.its not available now:)

Originally Posted by e006006 (Post 37593139)

So which one do you prefer.

LG42LD550 at $549 or LG37LE5300 at $479?

Originally Posted by vsp (Post 37591147)

Can someone comment of the border width of the TV?

Originally Posted by sneasle (Post 37593953)

LED Edgelit and Backlit are a form of LED.

THEY ARE ALL STILL LCD PANELS!

LED panels use LEDs for the backlight instead of CCFL tubes.

Edgelit means the LEDs are around the outside edge of the screen, backlit means they are behind the panel. Backlit LED will give you a better picture in that the LEDs can be selectively turned off to give you a better black, along with an overall more uniform brightness level.



On the issue of IPS vs VA, I ordered the 32" last week and got a VA, it looks great!
Yes, an IPS might look better, but I am more then happy with the TV and I really don't think the fuss is worth the price point. I've got mine mounted on the wall, using it as a 4th monitor for my computer workstation. I've done CAD work on it, along with watching SD tv and HD movies, it looks great.

Originally Posted by e006006 (Post 37594403)

amazon says led backlit

http://www.amazon.com/LG-37LE5300...B0039RSYVS

Originally Posted by isolatebody (Post 37593883)

35.5 total and 32.25 for screen.......(inches)

Originally Posted by Wyldfire (Post 37595275)

I got the iSymphony 42" LCD two weeks ago and I'm quite happy with it. But I'm debating using this to replace my 19" LCD in the bedroom or my 23" Samsung LED monitor for my computer (I'd dual monitor at that point).

Is it really justifiable to spend 479 on this or should I wait a few more months to price drop?

Originally Posted by Wyldfire (Post 37595275)

Is it really justifiable to spend 479 on this or should I wait a few more months to price drop?

Originally Posted by nickydude (Post 37595401)

Amazon has it for $469.99 + FS

Link [amazon.com]

Originally Posted by nanobeast (Post 37595379)

I would stay away from this.

1) There is a big difference between the IPS and VA panel. Most likely you will be getting the inferior VA panel. LG sent the superior IPS version to reviewers and then added a whole bunch of VA versions for the consumer lot. You will likely be getting the inferior panel. VA version outnumbers them.

In fact, Amazon had so many returns on this model, they added "VA" on their product title.

http://www.amazon.com/LG-32LE5300...B0039RWAVS

2) Newegg will make you pay for return shipping. So its not worth the risk. If it was amazon, I would say go for it since Amazon pays for return shipping.

Originally Posted by Wyldfire (Post 37595581)

I'm too lazy to do the research...more accurately, you guys know exactly what you're talking about and I have no clue, so I guess in english (I am far from a TV techie), what is the major difference between IPS and VA?

Originally Posted by Wyldfire (Post 37595581)

I'm too lazy to do the research...more accurately, you guys know exactly what you're talking about and I have no clue, so I guess in english (I am far from a TV techie), what is the major difference between IPS and VA?

Originally Posted by Wyldfire (Post 37595581)

I'm too lazy to do the research...more accurately, you guys know exactly what you're talking about and I have no clue, so I guess in english (I am far from a TV techie), what is the major difference between IPS and VA?

Originally Posted by vsp (Post 37595705)

or maybe read for you too?

Originally Posted by GummyBear (Post 37595735)

biggest difference is the color accuracy and viewing angles in favor of the IPS panel, more so the color accuracy but do your own research... the VA panels do have there advantages over the IPS panel as well...

Originally Posted by vsp (Post 37595705)

Everything is well explained in the pages. Guess you need someone to turn pages for you? or maybe read for you too?

Originally Posted by Wyldfire (Post 37595885)

Thank you.



No, but if someone decided to ship one to my front door that would be phenomenal :D

Originally Posted by e006006 (Post 37595481)

how much would return shipping cost approx?

Originally Posted by BlueAc (Post 37590503)

I get that part. My question is if I see its the VA panel, can just say I dont want it and make UPS take it back? And do I avoid the restocking fee?

Originally Posted by bruce85 (Post 37596425)

I just had a chat with newegg rep. He told me that they ship the TV in its own box so u can read the Serial # and decide to deny the shipment and when newegg gets it they will give u a full refund.

Originally Posted by GummyBear (Post 37595735)

the VA panels do have there advantages over the IPS panel as well...

Originally Posted by e006006 (Post 37596553)

Ok. thats great. so safe to give a try? hope UPS doesn't deny to take it back?

Originally Posted by MrCodeDude (Post 37596765)

Do they? Everything I've read has implied that IPS is the king. VA has benefits over TN and vice-versa, but I thought IPS was the be-all, end-all champion.

S-IPS has the best viewing angles, color reproduction. TN has the worst. VA was a compromise between the two technologies, but has lower response times compared to both the IPS and TN.



At the worst, if they won't let you see the serial #, you can reject shipment on those grounds too.

Originally Posted by krazyq (Post 37599425)

oh no not this again
i got this last month for 600 va panel and its amazing
you won't get the ips panel , i tried returning it twice and no luck...but for the price this is a great time
i wish i waited one more month to get it at this price...

Originally Posted by MrCodeDude (Post 37596765)

At the worst, if they won't let you see the serial #, you can reject shipment on those grounds too.

Originally Posted by GummyBear (Post 37596993)

PVAs for the most part produce better blacks which in turn can be better than a ips panel in color accuracy aka picture

Originally Posted by krazyq (Post 37599425)

oh no not this again
i got this last month for 600 va panel and its amazing
you won't get the ips panel , i tried returning it twice and no luck...but for the price this is a great time
i wish i waited one more month to get it at this price...

Originally Posted by MrCodeDude (Post 37594589)

Edge-lighting is a form of backlighting. I'm not sure of any consumer-level LCD using full-array LED backlighting.

At this price-point, you can be sure it's edge lit.

Originally Posted by reeff (Post 37599767)

how did you return it twice? did you deny it at the time it was delivered and did they automatically return another one back after you called them?

I ordered one so we'll see what happens. I'm just using it for our bedroom.

Originally Posted by e006006 (Post 37599819)

va panel..and its amazing? im not sure whats disadvantage but many are saying its bad..!! how did u reject the shipment? I mean what did u tell the UPS or fedex guy?

Originally Posted by vsp (Post 37590273)

Can you find this out by looking at the box?

Originally Posted by Thunderpants (Post 37592509)

Anyone have actual numbers on how energy efficient this tv is?

Originally Posted by e006006 (Post 37593139)

So which one do you prefer.
LG42LD550 at $549 or LG37LE5300 at $479?

Originally Posted by MrCodeDude (Post 37593547)

If I already had the 42LD550 unpacked and setup, I, personally, wouldn't bother packing it back up and unpacking another one just for what will probably amount to a small quality difference.
But I'm not a videophile, hard-core gamer or anything of the like, so I'd be more than happy with either set.

Originally Posted by Wyldfire (Post 37595275)

I got the iSymphony 42" LCD two weeks ago and I'm quite happy with it. But I'm debating using this to replace my 19" LCD in the bedroom or my 23" Samsung LED monitor for my computer (I'd dual monitor at that point).
Is it really justifiable to spend 479 on this or should I wait a few more months to price drop?

Originally Posted by nanobeast (Post 37595379)

I would stay away from this.
1) There is a big difference between the IPS and VA panel. Most likely you will be getting the inferior VA panel. LG sent the superior IPS version to reviewers and then added a whole bunch of VA versions for the consumer lot. You will likely be getting the inferior panel. VA version outnumbers them.

In fact, Amazon had so many returns on this model, they added "VA" on their product title.

http://www.amazon.com/LG-32LE5300...B0039RWAVS

2) Newegg will make you pay for return shipping. So its not worth the risk. If it was amazon, I would say go for it since Amazon pays for return shipping.

Originally Posted by GummyBear (Post 37595431)

technology will always drop in price with time... the real question is, are you willing to spend 479 right now or are you willing to wait... in all honesty i doubt this set will go much lower than 479. it will be discontinued before it goes much lower imo or you'll have to wait at least a year or longer.

Originally Posted by Bdubslawman (Post 37621441)

POSSIBLY!! Though in the past the W in the fourth place (after the model number) so LG 32LE5300-XXXW ~ if you read the AVS forums VERY LONG thread you will note that it is NOT a guarantee. Models with the W were reported as VA panels.
No, don't you think LG (if the numbers were significantly lower than it's Fluorescent counterparts) would be trumpeting that data not conveniently leaving it absent from their data page?!?
Well, if I may throw my two cents in as I spent from around Sept/Oct - just recently tracking the LE5400, LE5300 line. I wanted a LG 32LE5400 so bad I could taste it. reaching down to $599.99 I just felt in my gut at least once it would break down on a hot one day sale into the very low $500's or even $400's on a clearance'ing out sale. NOPE! it "...up and vanished like a fart in the wind" at the reputable sites. And that's understandable given that the CES new models will start appearing in March... BUT ANYWAY. SO early February an old CRT 28" dies, and all of the sudden I am without my number one TV choice. I get pretty close to buying a 32" Toshiba w/ just stellar reviews 1080P ... for $379 shipped @ Amazon.

When the LG 32LD550 --> same model line as your 42" pops up on a google/froogle search for $407.01 -- KK, it was there before but I just decided that since I liked the LE5400 SO MUCH, i'd check out it's nearly identical twin the LD550 --> save for fluorescent lighting over the LED.
The LD550 line is Superior to the LE5300 line. It is the Fluorescent TWIN of the LE5400 (LED) line. That extra $60 bought you a larger screen + Networking via Ethernet or w/ a $40-$45 @ amazon LG specific dongle ===> can't use a generic wireless dongle but you can use a DD-WRT or Tomator router as a wireless bridge home built $25-30 into the ethernet port or.. can buy a more expensive wireless bridge ~$60-$70.
I have been very much enjoying netflix streamed wirelessly to my 32LD550. SO BY ALL MEANS KEEP THE 42LD550. It is a superior line by having the networking etc. Otherwise there was no difference between the LE5300 & LE5400.
HOWEVER, again the LD550 line while being subjected to some panel lottery the numbers were LOWER number of MVA panels, than the LE5#00 lines.
But the Quality difference would be to the negative. Higher chance of an MVA panel, loose 5" of diagonal screen real estate, lose the networking. The only thing to be gained is less power usage which I am a HUGE proponent of... except when LG won't publish the Actual data to compare. And with the LD550 just as in the LD5#00 lines you can select from a large array of power saving features. Built in eco button or by turning down brightness, backlighting etc manually.

The 32LD550 is one hell of a TV. Yes I was relieved when I saw the W, did the push & drag test, and then zoomed in on the screen to see these <<<< indicating for-sure it's an IPS panel.
---------------------==============================
For those that stated they have a (MVA panel, how did you verify this other than just simply the fourth letter in the model # after the - (hyphen)?
I'm not advocating you get this TV or Not. BUT these are last years (March/April 2010) model so they are while quantities last then the gouging stores are all that will carry them for $200 - $300 more.

Might I throw in a nicely priced 32" 1080P 60Hz TV...
I was really impressed with the ratings for the Toshiba line... excellent for the 32" I mean i've never seen TV (something so subjective) rated that well... the 37" was also rated very high
Here's the 32" still @ $379.99 - N.E. had it for less but TVs are better if you have to return to Amazon worth $10 - $15 more buck IMO and NE doesn't have it on sale anymore anyway. Rare to find a TV that well liked out of 52 reviews there are NO 2 or 1 star only 5-3stars
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-32E...748&sr=8-1

The 37" is still there but looks like Amazon is still sold out this maybe it for them but the TV you can check on PRicetrace was sold for a nice price. They ran a sale about a month ago & I don't think they (Amazon - Amazon) has gotten them back in since.
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-37E...773&sr=8-1


This TV is $469.99 Now @ Amazon Free shipping so $10 less & Amazon's return policy. Although it looks like you will be getting a MVA panel.

OK, first off the underlined statement is simply not correct. :shake: They didn't send IPS panels to the reviewers in some insidious plan to get good reviews and then dupe the people with MVA panels. LG like most panel makers / and TV manufacturers run into panel over-runs and panel shortages. That's why you will find all kinds of different panel makers inside your favorite brands of TV's... A.K.A. the lotteries. Thru the power of the internet the number of people who get informed of this, are better able to make informed & intelligent decisions. Sometimes even finding ways to (generally) tell at a glance which panel is coming from where & hence what type it is.
IPS is an LG design. LG wants to make TV's and have TVs to sell.

If they run short on 32", or 37" panels and another company has over produced them or speculated.... then a deal will likely be made as it's the cheaper alternative. (In the model year 2009-2010 the 32 & 37" LG models I was tracking then ran short of LG panels and ordered 1 Million (M) Million - Japanese made panels from Sharp). Someone sent me the article when I was contemplating between and LG & a Toshiba for a HTPC & Monitor. It turned out that if you got the LG panel it worked great for a monitor... If you got the Sharp panel (although they were highly rated Japanese panels... and were considered very good when calibrated & used by Sharp themselves; it doesn't seem that LG dialed them in or made changed to the manufacturing process when using those panels over their own, and the results were poorer.
It's supply and demand though, not some elaborate conspiracy to fool the reviewers and then PISS OFF your buyers many of whom won't know any of this and be able to "rationally" parse it out. They will simply think as we here all too often (Such and such a brand is SHIT!) = You've all seen those un-informed review/post\rants; while they have a right to be angry, they could / may be likely to run into it again unless the companies stop (:LMAO:) or people inform themselves. The results for those cheesed off LG buyers will be they likely WON'T EVER buy another LG bc they had a bad result. LG isn't that simple to think I'll sting a customer once and not look at the long term 25 year future. LG, like Samsung, Sony, Toshiba, & Sharp etc. are just trying to meet production quotas and product demand.

I'm NOT disagreeing that it's FARKING SHITTY! If they offered a guarantee of a specific panel for $10-$20 more I'd probably consider paying it and therefore may indeed be able to put an end to much of it by offsetting the manufacturing / production shortfalls. I'd also be willing to wait an extra week or two. If enough people were informed, knew how to tell and could convey that to these companies, but alas this is Earth I live on not my imaginary utopia. :yummy:
Yup, I agree with Gummy on this part: This TV is already on borrowed time. The LE5400 line is all but dried up, most of the LD550 line is drying up supplies, and those douche bag over prices that have stock left are not going to be giving you a sweet heart deal.

I do suggest to the other person that you give the Toshiba 32E200 or 37E200 (if still available) a look. If I hadn't found my LG 32LD550 + Wireless Dongle for $407.01 Shipped free from Tiger Direct's Fleabay store (yes it was brand new & no they sold out of them) they were the tear stained pull backs from the deal gone wrong last year.

Originally Posted by Thunderpants (Post 37623973)

Since when did Beavis become a floating brain? :eek:

Originally Posted by kevlar3d (Post 37706339)

Got it tonight.

Initial complaints.
Does not seem to be a standard VESA mount. Either that or the bracket I am using is not a standard VESA bracket.

Cord is not removable from the back of the tv. Has some wonky proprietary cord connector behind a removable bezel.