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Demosthenes9 04-23-2011 09:27 AM

California Dreamin'—of Jobs in Texas
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1...lenews_wsj

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California Dreamin'—of Jobs in Texas

It wasn't your usual legislative hearing. A group of largely Republican California lawmakers and Democratic Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom traveled here last week to hear from businesses that have left their state to set up shop in Texas.

"We came to learn why they would pick up their roots and move in order to grow their businesses," says GOP Assemblyman Dan Logue, who organized the trip. "Why does Chief Executive magazine rate California the worst state for job and business growth and Texas the best state?"
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"I don't see this as a partisan issue," Mr. Newsom told reporters before the group met with Texas Republican Gov. Rick Perry. The former San Francisco mayor has many philosophical disagreements with Mr. Perry, but he admitted he was "sick and tired" of hearing about the governor's success luring businesses to Texas.
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Hours after the legislators met with Mr. Perry, another business, Fujitsu Frontech, announced that it is abandoning California. "It's the 70th business to leave this year," says California business relocation expert Joe Vranich. "That's an average of 4.7 per week, up from 3.9 a week last year." The Lone Star State was the top destination, with 14 of the 70 moving there.

Andy Puzder, the CEO of Hardee's Restaurants, was one of many witnesses to bemoan California's hostile regulatory climate. He said it takes six months to two years to secure permits to build a new Carl's Jr. restaurant in the Golden State, versus the six weeks it takes in Texas. California is also one of only three states that demands overtime pay after an eight-hour day, rather than after a 40-hour week. Such rules wreak havoc on flexible work schedules based on actual need. If there's a line out the door at a Carl's Jr. while employees are seen resting, it's because they aren't allowed to help: Break time is mandatory.

"You can't build in California, you can't manage in California and you have to pay a big tax," Mr. Puzder told the legislators. "In Texas, it's the opposite—which is why we're building 300 new stores there this year."
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Other states are even snatching away parts of California's entertainment industry. The Milken Institute, based in Santa Monica, Calif., reports that 36,000 entertainment jobs have left the state since 1997. The new film "Battle: Los Angeles," which is set in California, was filmed in Louisiana.
:roll:


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California, by contrast, seems to constantly lose focus. Several Democrats who agreed to go on the Texas trip were pressured by public-employee unions to drop out—and many did. And just as Texas business leaders were testifying about how the state's tort reforms had improved job creation, word came of California's latest priority: On April 14, the state senate passed a bill mandating that all public school children learn the history of disabled and gay Americans.

One speaker from California shook his head in wonder: "You can have the most liberated lifestyle on the planet, but if you can't afford to put gas in your car or a roof over your head it's somewhat limited."

Seems that at least SOME people in California are getting it :)

fishy420 04-23-2011 06:49 PM

Good find

chazjr 04-24-2011 05:42 AM

I very surprised California politicians didn't see how they were destroying their economy.. years ago.

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Viewpoints: How California can add jobs, and prosper as Texas does

We at CKE love California for many reasons, but the hard truth is this: California is the most business-unfriendly state we operate in. While we kept our corporate headquarters here, our company's real job-creating engine has already moved.

It's no coincidence Texas' unemployment rate remains below the national average while California has one of the highest.

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/04/24/...z1KRZEJmCn

Foreveryours 04-24-2011 08:28 AM

Gavin Newsom is an idiot.

Radeck 04-24-2011 08:56 AM

wow...i wasn't even aware Newsom is now Lt. Gov...after ruining San Francisco, he is now on to bigger things: to finish of the task of destroying the state of California, not content to have destroyed just SF....and the idiot voters actually voted for him :rofl2:....i guess idiot voters deserve the idiot politicians they vote for...

i see CA heading the same way as Michigan....after 50 years of democrat rule destroying the state and its economy, the morons keep voting the same corrupt leftists and socialists over and over again, expecting a different result..."we failed because we weren't socialist enough" seems to be the operative philosophy...the failed socialist systems in eastern europe and the ex USSR are not enough proof for the progressives....i guess they weren't 'socialist' enough either...morons beget morons....hope y'all enjoy the ride down the sewer :wave:

Elmer 04-24-2011 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chazjr (Post 39095233)
I'm very surprised California politicians didn't see how they were destroying their economy.. years ago.

Their sycophantic commitment to grabbing power, by giving away other people's money, kept them from understanding logic and human behavior.

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Originally Posted by Foreveryours (Post 39096983)
Gavin Newsom is an idiot.

:iagree:

124nic8 04-24-2011 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Radeck (Post 39097401)
not content to have destroyed just SF....

:secret: "2012" was a movie not a documentary.

LivninSC 04-25-2011 10:58 AM

On a sad note 3 different couples I know have moved to TX in the last 5 weeks!

highfloydelity 04-25-2011 02:01 PM

Top 20 Poorest Zip Codes [google.com] in the U.S.:

20 - Alamo, Texas (78516)
19 - St. Louis, Missouri (63107)
18 - Gallup, NM (87305)
17 - North Little Rock, Arkansas (72114)
16 - Donna, Texas (78537)
15 - Lamont, CA (93241)
14 - Twentynine Palms, CA (92278)
13 - Louisville, KY (40203)
12 - Baton Rouge, LA (70802)
11 - Corpus Christi, Texas (78405)
10 - Norfolk, VA (23504)
9 - Cleveland, Ohio (44104)
8 - Philadelphia, PA (19133)
7 - Calexico, CA (92231)
6 - Roma, TX (78584)
5 - Mobile, Alabama (36610)
4 - Camp Pendleton (92055)
3 - San Antonio, TX (78202/78207)
2 - Camp Lejune, NC (28542)
1 - El Paso, Texas (79901/79905)

Wiretrip 04-25-2011 02:59 PM

Were going to have Carl's Jr. in Texas now?

.....Why couldn't we get In-N-Out burger.

LivninSC 04-25-2011 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by highfloydelity (Post 39124239)
Top 20 Poorest Zip Codes [google.com] in the U.S.:

20 - Alamo, Texas (78516)
19 - St. Louis, Missouri (63107)
18 - Gallup, NM (87305)
17 - North Little Rock, Arkansas (72114)
16 - Donna, Texas (78537)
15 - Lamont, CA (93241)
14 - Twentynine Palms, CA (92278)
13 - Louisville, KY (40203)
12 - Baton Rouge, LA (70802)
11 - Corpus Christi, Texas (78405)
10 - Norfolk, VA (23504)
9 - Cleveland, Ohio (44104)
8 - Philadelphia, PA (19133)
7 - Calexico, CA (92231)
6 - Roma, TX (78584)
5 - Mobile, Alabama (36610)
4 - Camp Pendleton (92055)
3 - San Antonio, TX (78202/78207)
2 - Camp Lejune, NC (28542)
1 - El Paso, Texas (79901/79905)

Not really surprised about 29 Palms and Camp Pendleton. I mean, who lives there? Oh ya, nobody really but Marines and it's not like they make a whole lot... I don't even know how they could include Camp Pendleton. I mean, it's not like like I as a civilian even have the option of living there unless I want to get hitched to someone in the Marines (or possibly the Navy).

As for Calexico, it's basically Mexico. Just look at the name :D I mean nobody really lives in Calexico but there are a whole hell of a lot in Mexicali all of 1 mile away (like 15x the population).

And Bakersfield is where the people in Lamont go to party :D Kind of surprised Fresno didn't make the list to be honest...

That said, I am surprised by many on that list!

chazjr 05-09-2011 05:21 AM

People are leaving California..

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If You Are Unemployed, Should You Move Somewhere Else In Order To Find A Job?

For example, the state of California is basically a financial basket case at this point. In a recent article I discussed the cold, hard reality that California is broke and I explained some of the reasons why millions of people have already left the state....
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.co...find-a-job

Tony_Danza 05-09-2011 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiretrip (Post 39125637)
Were going to have Carl's Jr. in Texas now?

.....Why couldn't we get In-N-Out burger.

In-N-Out burger is coming to Dallas.

extreme2700 05-09-2011 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony_Danza (Post 39451887)
In-N-Out burger is coming to Dallas.

I need to try one of these places. :)

msummers80 05-09-2011 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony_Danza (Post 39451887)
In-N-Out burger is coming to Dallas.

Yeah, they've been there at least since 2010.

Spiff59 05-11-2011 01:06 PM

Yeah, ain't Texas sweet...
State Rankings [texaslsg.org]

You couldn't pay me enough to live in that ****hole.

Demosthenes9 05-11-2011 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiff59 (Post 39517709)
Yeah, ain't Texas sweet...
State Rankings [texaslsg.org]

You couldn't pay me enough to live in that ****hole.


The "education" stats are misleading as can be as they don't take the state's "diversity" into acct.

chazjr 05-11-2011 01:59 PM

There will be No jobs in California. (for having the least friendly business environment)

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The Five Best and Worst States for Business (5/11/11)

Texas tops the list of best states for doing business, boasting strong job creation and the second-lowest taxes in the nation. Meanwhile, a state that typically ranks as one of the best for quality of living ranked as the worst for business.

The states that ranked lowest in the survey for having the least friendly business environment also happen to be two of the most popular states when it comes to lifestyle. California came in at No. 50, with New York not faring much better at No. 49. Illinois, New Jersey and Michigan rounded out the bottom five. "Not surprisingly, states with punitive tax and regulatory regimes are punished with lower rankings, and this can offset even positive scores on quality of living environment,"
http://smallbusiness.aol.com/2011...-business/

Spiff59 05-11-2011 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chazjr (Post 39519419)
Texas tops the list of best states for doing business

It's kind of like our own little slice of China right here on the continent.
:O

rrc06 05-11-2011 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiff59 (Post 39517709)
Yeah, ain't Texas sweet...
State Rankings [texaslsg.org]

You couldn't pay me enough to live in that ****hole.

you'd rather live in some liberal paradise like Detroit, MI or Stockton, CA?

chazjr 05-13-2011 06:35 AM

Another report on Jobs.. Texas is still #1.. California last..

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The Best Cities for Jobs

But no place displayed more vibrancy than Texas. The Lone Star State dominated the three size categories, with the No. 1 mid-sized city, El Paso (No. 3 overall, up 22 places from last year) and No.1 large metropolitan area Austin (No. 6 overall), joining Killeen-Temple-Fort Hood (the No. 1 small city) atop their respective lists.

So who's losing? Outside of Oakland and the big Southern California metros -- including No. 60 Los Angeles, No. 59 Sacramento, No. 58 Riverside-San Bernardino and No. 50 Santa Ana-Anaheim-Irvine -- the bottom tier consisted of a motley crew of mid-South cities like Memphis (No. 64 on the big city list) and still-struggling, former big Sunbelt boomtowns Las Vegas (No. 62), West Palm Beach-Boynton Beach-Boca Raton, Fla. (No. 56), Ft. Lauderdale-Pompano Beach-Boynton Beach, Fla. (No. 54), Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, Ariz. (No. 53), Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, Ga. (No. 52) and Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, Fla. (No. 51).
http://financiallyfit.yahoo.com/f...=ad0035&nc

Deusxmachina 05-13-2011 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chazjr (Post 39561927)
Another report on Jobs.. Texas is still #1.. California last..

Suck it, California! You reap what you sow. I just hope the other 56 states aren't forced to bail your dumb ass out.

As for the 20 poorest cities list in this thread, I don't know how much credit should be given to such a thing unless cost of living is also included. Payments on a decent house in a decent neighborhood in some cities probably costs less than what people in other cities pay in parking fees.

chazjr 05-13-2011 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deusxmachina (Post 39573511)
Suck it, California! You reap what you sow. I just hope the other 56 states aren't forced to bail your dumb ass out.

56 States...? :rolleyes: Most will agree, "California Politics is a Joke". But Californians did not cause this mess. Their wacko politicians did it..

"California was once the fifth Biggest economy in the world."
It's now the eighth and dropping like a rock..
http://www.theonion.com/articles/...t-eco,877/

Deusxmachina 05-13-2011 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chazjr (Post 39576877)
56 States...? :rolleyes: Most will agree, "California Politics is a Joke". But Californians did not cause this mess. Their wacko politicians did it..

57 states per Obama. Yes, I know he was probably just tired.

Californians did indeed cause this mess by voting for wacko politicians over, and over, and over, and over.... Although I did direct my comments at the state of California in general and not those individuals of a different mindset who are trapped in the prison of their wacko politician overlords.

chazjr 05-20-2011 01:06 PM

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- When it comes to small business success, California is the not-so-Golden state -- at least that's what a recent report from Dun & Bradstreet suggests.

California's small business failure rate was 69% higher than the national average, the worst of all the states, the report said.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/19/s...?iid=HP_LN
Florida and Texas are leaving California in the dust... California politicians just don't get it..

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Florida and Texas in jobs pissing match

Florida Governor Rick Scott is determined to swipe the title of most business-friendly state from Rick Perry, his counterpart in Texas, which has held it for seven years.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/20/n...?iid=HP_LN

theblackbra 05-23-2011 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiretrip (Post 39125637)
Were going to have Carl's Jr. in Texas now?

.....Why couldn't we get In-N-Out burger.

Because In-N-Out sucks and only idiotic Californians would hype such a mediocre product.

News flash- there's an In-N-Out near Dallas, I think.

When I was out in San Diego, I had I-N-O, and, after looking forward to it the entire time, I was disappointed. Nothing special, and the fries I got sucked, were cold, and without any flavor.

On the way back from a Dodgers game in Los Angeles, I stopped at a Carls Jr. It was MUCH better.

theblackbra 05-23-2011 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiff59 (Post 39517709)
Yeah, ain't Texas sweet...
State Rankings [texaslsg.org]

You couldn't pay me enough to live in that ****hole.

Most of Texas is a ****hole.

I have enjoyed Austin a good bit. That is, if you can tolerate the hipsters.

rrc06 07-12-2011 08:59 AM

California companies fleeing the Golden State [cnn.com]

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Buffeted by high taxes, strict regulations and uncertain state budgets, a growing number of California companies are seeking friendlier business environments outside of the Golden State.
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Companies are "disinvesting" in California at a rate five times greater than just two years ago, said Joseph Vranich, a business relocation expert based in Irvine. This includes leaving altogether, establishing divisions elsewhere or opting not to set up shop in California.

"There is a feeling that the state is not stable," Vranich said. "Sacramento can't get its act together...and that includes the governor, legislators and regulatory agencies that are running wild."
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"California, once a business friendly state, continues to conduct a war on its own economy," the magazine wrote.
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California has got to get its act together when it comes to economic development and job creation," he said.

While not all companies investing elsewhere are doing so for economic reasons, some are shopping around for lower costs, lighter regulations, stable leadership and government assistance and incentives.

The most popular places to go? Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Utah, Virginia and North Carolina, said Vranich. All rank in the Top 13 places to do business, according to Chief Executive
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After 15 years in Monterey Country, Calif., Feel Golf relocated its headquarters to Florida earlier this year after it acquired Pro Line Sports, which was based in the Sunshine State.

"The whole state is a bureaucratic Santa Claus," said Lee Miller, chief executive of the golf equipment company, of his former home. "There's a very high cost of doing business."

In Florida, he found a better work pool, lower operating costs and no personal income taxes.

"Overall, it's just a better environment," he said.

PayPal opened a new customer services and operations center in Chandler, Ariz., in February, bringing 2,000 jobs to the area. The San Jose, Calif.-based tech firm, along with its parent eBay, also added 1,000 jobs in Austin, Texas, and expanded operations in Utah.

"They have business-friendly environments," said Kathy Chui, a spokeswoman for eBay.

MrWD 07-13-2011 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demosthenes9 (Post 39518543)
The "education" stats are misleading as can be as they don't take the state's "diversity" into acct.

If your kids don't attend a "diversified" public school then your kids should have a better chance in education.

But if they do, then they are a bit screwed, because the classes will cater to the population as a whole. So, the "diversity" drags the level of education down and your kids suffer because they are basically being taught lowered education.

Back in high school, I took as much AP classes as I could mainly because I didn't want to be stuck with the large population of losers who didn't care about their grades and expect to leech off of you.

So, I joined the smart kids and leeched off of them instead. =]

LivninSC 07-13-2011 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theblackbra (Post 39827283)
Because In-N-Out sucks and only idiotic Californians would hype such a mediocre product.

News flash- there's an In-N-Out near Dallas, I think.

When I was out in San Diego, I had I-N-O, and, after looking forward to it the entire time, I was disappointed. Nothing special, and the fries I got sucked, were cold, and without any flavor.

On the way back from a Dodgers game in Los Angeles, I stopped at a Carls Jr. It was MUCH better.

Ya know, I completely agree with you. I used to enjoy In-N-Out as a kid but in looking back I think it's because I liked saying that I wanted a 3-by or a 4-by or something animal style, etc.. I used to love their fries but not really any longer and the burgers aren't really that good either. They're not worse than any body else's (in the fast food world) I'd say but I so don't get the raving reviews. The only thing at In-N-Out that I friggin still love are their shakes. I don't know what it is but I still prefer them over pretty much everywhere else and well I don't happen to drink a lot of shakes... :D

Grinner 07-13-2011 10:42 PM

Squeeze Inn is my current fave burger. They have started franchising so one might come your way eventually.

loop610bob 07-14-2011 05:23 AM

In-N-Out has a new warehouse in Dallas. Word is they're coming to Austin and Houston sometime next year. Here's hoping. Whataburger is one of the best regional burgers joints around but it doesn't hold a candle to In-N-Out.

chazjr 07-15-2011 08:17 AM

California Politicians just don't get it..

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CA Worst Place to Do Business, 7 Years In a Row

WILL the LAST BUSINESS in CALIFORNIA PLEASE TURN OUT the (ICLEI-APPROVED) LIGHT BULB?
http://www.varight.com/news/will-...ight-bulb/

rrc06 02-21-2013 05:11 AM

The California tax that terrifies tech
[cnn.com]

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Retroactive tax bills and the elimination of a state tax-break for California's entrepreneurs and early stage investors could force them to move to ... Texas.


FORTUNE -- Entrepreneurs and investors in California can expect to receive a rude shock in the mail if they sold their company in the last four years. Not only did the state's Franchise Tax Board eliminate a tax break on capital gains for small business owners and investors, it announced the tax would be reinstated retroactively. This means those who benefitted from the break can expect a bill for unpaid taxes, plus interest, stretching all the way back to 2008.

Since 1993, California entrepreneurs and early-stage investors have enjoyed a partial state income tax exclusion on sales of stock of a "qualified" small business. This was an incentive for people to start and keep businesses in California. If they sold their company, they would only have to pay half of the regular state tax rate on what they gained—about 4.5% instead of 9%. That could include founders of companies such as Instagram and Yelp (YELP).

The FTB announced its decision last December and the ruling went into effect earlier this year. Now, not only will stockholders have to pay the full tax rate on capital gains, which has risen to about 13%, but they'll also be billed retroactively for 50% of the taxes they excluded. The FTB says this will affect over 2,500 people and bring in about $120 million in revenue.

Not surprisingly, the changes have led to concern among entrepreneurs.
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Ethan Anderson, co-founder and CEO of startup MyTime, says the FTB's actions will make entrepreneurs think twice about setting up a business in the state. "You can't really plan for the future when the rules of the game are changing retroactively," says Anderson. "You feel insecure investing in the state, why would you take that additional risk when they've set a precedent now showing that anything could happen anytime?"
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It might just be in Texas. Anderson says he already knew of at least one California entrepreneur who had bought a house there to establish out of state residency. The Lone Star state is home to Austin, one of California Business Defense">the fastest growing tech hubs in the country. Unlike other hubs like New York and Boston, it offers lower taxes, less regulation, and relatively inexpensive real estate.

andyfico 02-21-2013 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rrc06 (Post 57727870)

This is ridiculous. It's one thing to get rid of the law currently, but to punish those people who followed the letter of the law for the past 4 years seems immoral at best. This should serve as a warning to anyone considering starting a business in CA. Desperation makes people and states do irrational things.

Radeck 02-21-2013 09:23 AM

I thought that retroactive laws were unconstitutional? :dontknow:

thikthird 02-21-2013 09:43 AM

http://www.dailykos.com/story/201...Rick-Perry

"Conservatives have made hay of reports of California companies leaving the state. And it's true! Some have—254 in 2011, to be exact. ...On the other hand, 132,000 new businesses were created that same year..."

" these changes were enough to put California's budget back in the black for the first time in many years, even as Texas suffers from high poverty, low wages and a drastically failing education system."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15....html?_r=0

Xygonn 02-21-2013 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 57734450)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/201...Rick-Perry

"Conservatives have made hay of reports of California companies leaving the state. And it's true! Some have—254 in 2011, to be exact. ...On the other hand, 132,000 new businesses were created that same year..."

" these changes were enough to put California's budget back in the black for the first time in many years, even as Texas suffers from high poverty, low wages and a drastically failing education system."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15....html?_r=0

Lol, August 2011.

California unemployment is 9.8

Texas unemployment is 6.1

https://www.google.com/publicdata...&ind=false

rrc06 02-21-2013 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 57734450)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/201...Rick-Perry

"Conservatives have made hay of reports of California companies leaving the state. And it's true! Some have—254 in 2011, to be exact. ...On the other hand, 132,000 new businesses were created that same year..."

" these changes were enough to put California's budget back in the black for the first time in many years, even as Texas suffers from high poverty, low wages and a drastically failing education system."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15....html?_r=0

Daily Kos + Paul Krugman = :vomit:

BobDeal 02-21-2013 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 57734450)
"Conservatives have made hay of reports of California companies leaving the state. And it's true! Some have—254 in 2011, to be exact. ...On the other hand, 132,000 new businesses were created that same year..."

Gotta love the Lone Star state's Texas-sized poverty rate, low wages, and failing education system too. Everything is bigger there, after all. If I was looking for low skilled, low paid workers, I'd go there first.

thikthird 02-21-2013 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xygonn (Post 57735124)
Lol, August 2011.

California unemployment is 9.8

Texas unemployment is 6.1

https://www.google.com/publicdata...&ind=false

slave labor is plentiful in texas.

thikthird 02-21-2013 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roughnready (Post 57736678)
Gotta love the Lone Star state's Texas-sized poverty rate, low wages, and failing education system too. Everything is bigger there, after all. If I was looking for low skilled, low paid workers, I'd go there first.

yup. texas, sure you can get a job here, but good luck thinking that job will get you out of poverty, get you healthcare, get your kids a decent education.

rrc06 02-21-2013 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roughnready (Post 57736678)
Gotta love the Lone Star state's Texas-sized poverty rate, low wages, and failing education system too. Everything is bigger there, after all. If I was looking for low skilled, low paid workers, I'd go there first.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 57737444)
yup. texas, sure you can get a job here, but good luck thinking that job will get you out of poverty, get you healthcare, get your kids a decent education.

:rofl2:

Yeah. Definitely better to end up in CA, where they have the lowest credit rating in the country AND damn near the lowest per-pupil spending [svefoundation.org] on education. At least Texas knows how to farking manage a budget.

They definitely pay their prison guards [gawker.com] well though. If only their higher ed institutions [huffingtonpost.com] were so lucky.

thikthird 02-21-2013 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrc06 (Post 57738114)
:rofl2:

Yeah. Definitely better to end up in CA, where they have the lowest credit rating in the country AND damn near the lowest per-pupil spending [svefoundation.org] on education. At least Texas knows how to farking manage a budget.

They definitely pay their prison guards [gawker.com] well though. If only their higher ed institutions [huffingtonpost.com] were so lucky.

yeah, definitely better to end up in ca. they actually spend money on their citizens, and as a result, they have a better standard of living that the human chattel in texas. and those higher ed institutions?

#1 University of California--Berkeley
Berkeley, CA

#2 University of California--Los Angeles
Los Angeles, CA

#8 University of California--Davis
Davis, CA

#8 University of California--San Diego
La Jolla, CA

#10 University of California--Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara, CA

#12 University of California--Irvine
Irvine, CA

#13 University of Texas--Austin
Austin, TX

and how about that? california actually pays its workers decent wages! hahaha let's laugh at them for that! what nerve of california, don't they know that state workers should subsist of stale bread crumbs and water?

hahaah to think people in california live decent lives! texas will have none of that.

rrc06 02-21-2013 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 57738692)
yeah, definitely better to end up in ca. they actually spend money on their citizens, and as a result, they have a better standard of living that the human chattel in texas. and those higher ed institutions?

and how about that? california actually pays its workers decent wages! hahaha let's laugh at them for that! what nerve of california, don't they know that state workers should subsist of stale bread crumbs and water?

hahaah to think people in california live decent lives! texas will have none of that.

Nice deflection. So you can't argue against the fact that CA ranks near the bottom of the country on per-pupil education spending while having quite possibly the worst fiscal sense in the country as well. Got it :thumbup:

Xygonn 02-21-2013 01:36 PM

Cost of Living in Texas 89% of US Average
http://www.bestplaces.net/cost_of...tate/texas
Cost of Living in California 135% of US Average
http://www.bestplaces.net/cost_of...california

Texas median income $50.9k (96% of US Average)
California median income $61.6k (116% of US Average)
http://quickfacts.census.gov

Keep telling yourself that a state where COL is 135% of US Average but median income is only 116% of US Average has a better situation than a state where COL is 89% of US Average and median income is 96% of US Average (and they take less of your income away).

California does have a better University system than Texas, but Texas still has a pretty good system with UT Austin and Texas A&M both being well respected.

As for primary education Texas beats California but not by a wide margin.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/201...94528.html

California wins in terms of weather though. That's for sure.

thikthird 02-21-2013 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrc06 (Post 57740332)
Nice deflection. So you can't argue against the fact that CA ranks near the bottom of the country on per-pupil education spending while having quite possibly the worst fiscal sense in the country as well. Got it :thumbup:

what's there to argue? that they have the best public schools in the country? define worst fiscal sense? spending money so your citizens have better lives isn't bad fiscal sense.

rrc06 02-21-2013 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xygonn (Post 57740550)
Cost of Living in Texas 89% of US Average
http://www.bestplaces.net/cost_of...tate/texas
Cost of Living in California 135% of US Average
http://www.bestplaces.net/cost_of...california

Texas median income $50.9k (96% of US Average)
California median income $61.6k (116% of US Average)
http://quickfacts.census.gov

Keep telling yourself that a state where COL is 135% of US Average but median income is only 116% of US Average has a better situation than a state where COL is 89% of US Average and median income is 96% of US Average (and they take less of your income away).

California does have a better University system than Texas, but Texas still has a pretty good system with UT Austin and Texas A&M both being well respected.

As for primary education Texas beats California but not by a wide margin.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/201...94528.html

California wins in terms of weather though. That's for sure.

Exactly

chazjr 02-22-2013 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xygonn (Post 57740550)
Cost of Living in Texas 89% of US Average
http://www.bestplaces.net/cost_of...tate/texas
Cost of Living in California 135% of US Average
http://www.bestplaces.net/cost_of...california

I don't think this includes California's recent Sales Tax increase. Some cities in California are so broke, they raised their city's Sales Tax .25%-1% on top of the Prop. 30's Statewide Sales tax increase.

Not to mention the sky high Gas Prices..
US Gas price Heat Map.
http://www.californiagasprices.co...ounty.aspx

Don't forget. California is the Worst State to Retire in
http://www.kiplinger.com/tool/ret...California

But the weather is Great.

I think you will enjoy playing around with this link..

10 most tax-friendly states for retirees (Texas is not one of them.)
http://www.kiplinger.com/tool/ret...0Ddk9SE.99

LivninSC 03-05-2013 10:52 AM

Screw Taxachusetts, we've become Taxifornia!

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/20...rise-july/

It's official: Gas tax going up

A January study by the American Petroleum Institute listed California's gas taxes as second highest in the nation behind New York. After the July 1 tax increase, however, the 70.1 cents average tax per gallon will lead the nation.

gunnerusa 03-05-2013 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LivninSC (Post 58008060)
Screw Taxachusetts, we've become Taxifornia!

Welcome to the real world--roads cost money.

http://wamu.org/news/13/02/20/vir...rs_gas_tax

Radeck 03-05-2013 02:47 PM

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2...-to-texas/
Quote:

In early February, Texas Governor Rick Perry sent a letter to 26 gun and ammunition manufacturers inviting them to move their businesses to his state.
...
Last week, TheBlaze reported on the possibility of Maryland-based gun maker Beretta relocating to Texas. There are also indications that Colorado’s Magpul Industries may move to Texas too. Magpul ran the following ad in the local papers, warning of job losses if the new gun bill is passed in their state.

If Beretta and Magpul decide pull up stakes and head to Texas, they won’t be the first company on the gun business to do this. Late last month, Shield Tactical (a firearms accessory manufacturer and training company) announced plans to move its entire operation to Shiner, Texas.
welcome mat open to all...thanks for the jobs and new tax base :nod:

LivninSC 03-05-2013 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunnerusa (Post 58014226)
Welcome to the real world--roads cost money.

http://wamu.org/news/13/02/20/vir...rs_gas_tax

Apparently more in CA than anywhere else as we will shortly have the nations highest gas tax and already have one of the highest sales tax. If only we didn't have to fix our roads every winter because of that whole freezing ice thing that messes them up and plow snow every winter. Oh wait :thumbsup:

gunnerusa 03-05-2013 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LivninSC (Post 58015792)
Apparently more in CA than anywhere else as we will shortly have the nations highest gas tax and already have one of the highest sales tax. If only we didn't have to fix our roads every winter because of that whole freezing ice thing that messes them up and plow snow every winter. Oh wait :thumbsup:

Do you think we can fix this for free?

http://9thcivic.com/gallery/albums/p...2540379064.jpg

LivninSC 03-05-2013 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunnerusa (Post 58018494)
Do you think we can fix this for free?

http://9thcivic.com/gallery/albums/p...2540379064.jpg

That will never be "fixed"...

Beartrkkr 03-05-2013 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chazjr (Post 57768224)

I think you will enjoy playing around with this link..

10 most tax-friendly states for retirees (Texas is not one of them.)
http://www.kiplinger.com/tool/retirement/T055-S001-state-by-state-guide-to-taxes-on-retirees/index.php?map=14#kEYl8iOpX0Ddk9SE.99


Please remove SC from that list. We're full. We have met our quota on retirees.

gunnerusa 03-06-2013 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LivninSC (Post 58019768)
That will never be "fixed"...

Do you think the fact that we have a freeway system that was designed to handle a population of 19 million (1970) makes traffic A. Better or B. Worse, given California's current population of 38 million?

Deusxmachina 03-06-2013 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunnerusa (Post 58026062)
Do you think the fact that we have a freeway system that was designed to handle a population of 19 million (1970) makes traffic A. Better or B. Worse, given California's current population of 38 million?

California has some of the highest taxes in the country yet doesn't even have decent roads? Where's all that tax money going?

LivninSC 03-06-2013 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunnerusa (Post 58026062)
Do you think the fact that we have a freeway system that was designed to handle a population of 19 million (1970) makes traffic A. Better or B. Worse, given California's current population of 38 million?

Do you have a point or are you just trying to be annoying for the sake of solely being annoying? Did someone forget about all the additional freeways that they have opened (never mind roads in general) since the 70s? The 105, the 210, the 215, the 110, nevermind the enormous widenings of the 10, 405, 5, etc.. The freeway system of the 70s is there as the backbone but there have been a definite increase in the amount of road available to be driven on since which should be covered by the gas tax (and federal tax dollars).

It's simple, gas tax has been going up and up and up all the while there are more people driving. You would think maybe that with the increased # of people on relatively the same roads they would have the $ to cover the cost. They don't however because they have bloated pensions, salaries, etc.. How do they fix the shortfall? Oh ya, just tax us more. It's not just gas tax but taxes in general. It's a non disputable fact...

WindySummer 03-06-2013 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 57738692)
yeah, definitely better to end up in ca. they actually spend money on their citizens, and as a result, they have a better standard of living that the human chattel in texas. and those higher ed institutions?


#1 University of California--Berkeley
Berkeley, CA

#2 University of California--Los Angeles
Los Angeles, CA

#8 University of California--Davis
Davis, CA

#8 University of California--San Diego
La Jolla, CA

#10 University of California--Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara, CA

#12 University of California--Irvine
Irvine, CA

#13 University of Texas--Austin
Austin, TX

Your ranking of state universities is spot on.

Quote:

California actually pays its workers decent wages! hahaha let's laugh at them for that! what nerve of California, don't they know that state workers should subsist of stale bread crumbs and water?

hahaah to think people in California live decent lives! Texas will have none of that.
Speaking of paying decent wages, compare Nursing Home wages btw MA, CA, and TX. lol

loop610bob 03-06-2013 11:49 AM

CA has a higher quality of life, but I made no money there so all I could do was hang out at the beach. Still, those were damned good times.

TX has more opportunities to make money and keep it. Then again, I wouldn't put my kid in the water of a Texas beach for $1,000. No seriously. A thousand bucks wouldn't do it.

I could never own a house like I have in Texas in California. My family couldn't make this much money. We would never have a net worth like we do. Then again, I can't go outside for 7 months out of the year because the heat is horrendous.

I miss the beaches. I miss surfing.

University of California system > University of Texas system. Stanford > Rice. It's not even close. Anyone that says different is selling you something.

rrc06 03-06-2013 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loop610bob (Post 58035846)
CA has a higher quality of life, but I made no money there so all I could do was hang out at the beach. Still, those were damned good times.

TX has more opportunities to make money and keep it. Then again, I wouldn't put my kid in the water of a Texas beach for $1,000. No seriously. A thousand bucks wouldn't do it.

I could never own a house like I have in Texas in California. My family couldn't make this much money. We would never have a net worth like we do. Then again, I can't go outside for 7 months out of the year because the heat is horrendous.

I miss the beaches. I miss surfing.

University of California system > University of Texas system. Stanford > Rice. It's not even close. Anyone that says different is selling you something.

Pick your poison. Good luck affording a shack in Palo Alto when you're in Stanford

thikthird 03-06-2013 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrc06 (Post 58038226)
Pick your poison. Good luck affording a shack in Palo Alto when you're in Stanford

a house around rice will run you around $2 - $3 mil.

rrc06 03-06-2013 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58039050)
a house around rice will run you around $2 - $3 mil.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails...7055_zpid/
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails...2367_zpid/

thikthird 03-06-2013 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrc06 (Post 58039582)

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails...0708_zpid/

meanwhile:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails...4731_zpid/
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails...4289_zpid/

Radeck 03-06-2013 02:23 PM

:rofl2: comparing a mansion for billionaires with cheap condo apartments with a crack house next door !!!

FFFAAAAIIILLLLL :facepalm:

thikthird 03-06-2013 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radeck (Post 58040212)
:rofl2: comparing a mansion for billionaires with cheap condo apartments with a crack house next door !!!

FFFAAAAIIILLLLL :facepalm:

comparing a home near rice with a home near stanford.

OhNoItsDEVO 03-06-2013 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 57738692)
yeah, definitely better to end up in ca. they actually spend money on their citizens, and as a result, they have a better standard of living that the human chattel in texas. and those higher ed institutions?

#1 University of California--Berkeley
Berkeley, CA

#2 University of California--Los Angeles
Los Angeles, CA

#8 University of California--Davis
Davis, CA

#8 University of California--San Diego
La Jolla, CA

#10 University of California--Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara, CA

#12 University of California--Irvine
Irvine, CA

#13 University of Texas--Austin
Austin, TX

and how about that? california actually pays its workers decent wages! hahaha let's laugh at them for that! what nerve of california, don't they know that state workers should subsist of stale bread crumbs and water?

hahaah to think people in california live decent lives! texas will have none of that.

What's the cost of living like in CA vs TX?
If people make a little more on average in CA, but have to pay more for goods and services, how are they coming out any better?
You're the king of hyperbole dude....

thikthird 03-06-2013 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OhNoItsDEVO (Post 58040398)
What's the cost of living like in CA vs TX?
If people make a little more on average in CA, but have to pay more for goods and services, how are they coming out any better?
You're the king of hyperbole dude....

what's the quality of life like in ca vs tx?
if people receive worse services in tx, and pay less for them, how are they coming out any better?

charles052 03-06-2013 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58040614)
what's the quality of life like in ca vs tx?
if people receive worse services in tx, and pay less for them, how are they coming out any better?

You mean fewer people get paid to not do a darn thing in Texas (i.e. living on welfare)!!! Oh, the humanity!!!

rrc06 03-06-2013 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58040314)
comparing a home near rice with a home near stanford.

You brought up the comparison

Quote:

Originally Posted by charles052 (Post 58041792)
You mean fewer people get paid to not do a darn thing in Texas (i.e. living on welfare)!!! Oh, the humanity!!!

:Lol:

DJPlayer 03-06-2013 05:54 PM

I kept hearing about "quality of life" so.. well..

http://www.sciencedaily.com/relea...141314.htm

Quote:

Happiest Americans Live in States Ranked Highest for Quality of Life

We have been asked a lot whether we expected that states like New York and California would do so badly in the happiness ranking. Having visited and lived in various parts of the US, I am only a little surprised. Many people think these states would be marvellous places to live in. The problem is that if too many individuals think that way, they move into those states, and the resulting congestion and house prices make it a non-fulfilling prophecy. In a way, it is like the stock market. If everyone thinks it would be great to buy stock X, that stock is generally already overvalued. Bargains in life are usually found outside the spotlight. It may be that exactly the same is true of the best places to live."

ranking of happiness levels by US State:

17. Texas
..
..
46. California
47. Indiana
48. Michigan
49. New Jersey
50. Connecticut
51. New York
I suppose unemployment, the ability to buy a home etc.. factor in quality of life and happiness?

gunnerusa 03-06-2013 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LivninSC (Post 58032006)
It's simple, gas tax has been going up and up and up all the while there are more people driving. You would think maybe that with the increased # of people on relatively the same roads they would have the $ to cover the cost. They don't however because they have bloated pensions, salaries, etc.. How do they fix the shortfall? Oh ya, just tax us more. It's not just gas tax but taxes in general. It's a non disputable fact...


All the freeways you mentioned were designed in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. It takes 10-20 years to build a freeway...there aren't any new freeways even on the drawing board, let alone under construction for opening in 10-20 years.

And gas tax funds are dropping because the tax is fixed to consumption, and consumption is dropping due to the Democratic Party's campaign to increase fuel economy. People are driving more miles, requiring more road construction and maintenance. But they're paying less tax due to better fuel economy.

That is the only non-disputable fact--Democrats and Republicans agree on that point.

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2013/ma...r-5741946/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/201...27652.html
http://www.radioiowa.com/2013/02/...ase-audio/
http://www.nacsonline.com/NACS/Ne...21133.aspx

charles052 03-06-2013 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJPlayer (Post 58044692)
I kept hearing about "quality of life" so.. well..

http://www.sciencedaily.com/relea...141314.htm



I suppose unemployment, the ability to buy a home etc.. factor in quality of life and happiness?

Arkansas' below Tex-ass??? NO WAY! I've been to Texas. It's like a hundred thousand Jeff Gordons clogging up the interstates trying to pass one another. Traffic jams galore! And don't even get me started on the panhandle....

DJPlayer 03-07-2013 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charles052 (Post 58048422)
Arkansas' below Tex-ass??? NO WAY! I've been to Texas. It's like a hundred thousand Jeff Gordons clogging up the interstates trying to pass one another. Traffic jams galore! And don't even get me started on the panhandle....

I didn't make the list so I'm certainly not going to try and justify the results. As I look through though.. it seems that the southern and plains states rank highest in happiness. Also the states that are happier are typically more republican and christian than the unhappy states. Also real estate is cheaper in many of these states. I did also notice that the happier have less metropolitan cities. Just my .02 on things I quickly picked up on..

rrc06 03-07-2013 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJPlayer (Post 58052726)
I didn't make the list so I'm certainly not going to try and justify the results. As I look through though.. it seems that the southern and plains states rank highest in happiness. Also the states that are happier are typically more republican and christian than the unhappy states. Also real estate is cheaper in many of these states. I did also notice that the happier have less metropolitan cities. Just my .02 on things I quickly picked up on..

Christian? That's a stretch IMO.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...shows?lite

DJPlayer 03-07-2013 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrc06 (Post 58053428)
Christian? That's a stretch IMO.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...shows?lite

? you just posted a poll saying 20% of the country is religiously unaffiliated. 1 in 5 is probably considered a minority.. regardless here's what it looks like when considering Christians.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/622304/thu...large640.jpg?4

there's a large dominance in southern and mid-west states. Am I saying happiness has something to do w/ religion?? who knows.. maybe a tiny bit. I'd think the housing and job availability are the dominant forces.

OhNoItsDEVO 03-07-2013 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58040614)
what's the quality of life like in ca vs tx?
if people receive worse services in tx, and pay less for them, how are they coming out any better?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJPlayer (Post 58044692)
I kept hearing about "quality of life" so.. well..

http://www.sciencedaily.com/relea...141314.htm



I suppose unemployment, the ability to buy a home etc.. factor in quality of life and happiness?

Well thik?
That says Texas ranks at 17, while California ranks at 46...

rrc06 03-07-2013 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OhNoItsDEVO (Post 58054536)
Well thik?
That says Texas ranks at 17, while California ranks at 46...

The rest of the bottom 4 aren't surprising either (NY, NJ, MI).

thikthird 03-07-2013 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OhNoItsDEVO (Post 58054536)
Well thik?
That says Texas ranks at 17, while California ranks at 46...

well, i disagree with the rankings. people in california are generally more enlightened than those in texas, so, even though they have a better quality of life, realize their lives are still not perfect, thus increasing their unhappiness. meanwhile, the ignorant folks in texas don't know how bad they have it, and are therefor happier. ignorance is bliss. quality of life =/= happiness.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrc06 (Post 58044140)
You brought up the comparison


:Lol:

actually, you brought up the comparison, and i just ended it by making it apparent how much better my examples are.

thikthird 03-07-2013 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJPlayer (Post 58053566)
? you just posted a poll saying 20% of the country is religiously unaffiliated. 1 in 5 is probably considered a minority.. regardless here's what it looks like when considering Christians.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/622304/thu...large640.jpg?4

there's a large dominance in southern and mid-west states. Am I saying happiness has something to do w/ religion?? who knows.. maybe a tiny bit. I'd think the housing and job availability are the dominant forces.

people who get suckered into going to church and all that are usually easier duped into thinking they have it good and should be happy.

rrc06 03-07-2013 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrc06 (Post 58038226)
pick your poison. Good luck affording a shack in palo alto when you're in stanford

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58039050)
a house around rice will run you around $2 - $3 mil.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58055444)
actually, you brought up the comparison, and i just ended it by making it apparent how much better my examples are.

o rly?

thikthird 03-07-2013 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrc06 (Post 58055994)
o rly?

yes, and you just quoted yourself bring it up:

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrc06 (Post 58038226)
Pick your poison. Good luck affording a shack in Palo Alto when you're in Stanford

this is you, bringing up the comparison.

rrc06 03-07-2013 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58056220)
this is you, bringing up the comparison.

The average house price in Palo Alto is worse than the average house price in Houston. That's a fact. you bringing up the existence of a few high-end houses around RIce doesn't change that.

thikthird 03-07-2013 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrc06 (Post 58056358)
The average house price in Palo Alto is worse than the average house price in Houston. That's a fact. you bringing up the existence of a few high-end houses around RIce doesn't change that.

we're not talking about in houston, i'm talking about in university place, which is where rice is, which is it's own city. house prices there are way higher than in houston.

WindySummer 03-07-2013 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrc06 (Post 57738114)
:rofl2:

Yeah. Definitely better to end up in CA, where they have the lowest credit rating in the country AND damn near the lowest per-pupil spending [svefoundation.org] on education. At least Texas knows how to farking manage a budget.

They definitely pay their prison guards [gawker.com] well though. If only their higher ed institutions [huffingtonpost.com] were so lucky.

It depends when you move to California.

The golden rule is never sell coastal real estate.
The allure of CA will never go away, IMO

kbenson 03-07-2013 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WindySummer (Post 58059448)
It depends when you move to California.

The golden rule is never sell coastal real estate.
The allure of CA will never go away, IMO


The golden rule is never sell coastal real estate.


Tell that to the people hit by Tsunami and or tidal waves + People are being forced to move due to natural erosion.

LivninSC 03-07-2013 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunnerusa (Post 58048180)
All the freeways you mentioned were designed in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. It takes 10-20 years to build a freeway...there aren't any new freeways even on the drawing board, let alone under construction for opening in 10-20 years.

And gas tax funds are dropping because the tax is fixed to consumption, and consumption is dropping due to the Democratic Party's campaign to increase fuel economy. People are driving more miles, requiring more road construction and maintenance. But they're paying less tax due to better fuel economy.

That is the only non-disputable fact--Democrats and Republicans agree on that point.

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2013/ma...r-5741946/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/201...27652.html
http://www.radioiowa.com/2013/02/...ase-audio/
http://www.nacsonline.com/NACS/Ne...21133.aspx


What's your point? That in 100 years people will be able to say OMFG the road system we're on was designed back in the 1900s! How can it still be effective!!!!!!!!!

Incase you didn't know the Italians still travel daily on road systems the Romans designed...

I'm all for them to stop building freeways up in LA, and not allowing more homes to be be built. That place, the place I grew up in, is so overcrowded now it's a massive PITA to get around and roads aren't the solution.

Elmer 03-07-2013 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58055444)
well, i disagree with the rankings. people in california are generally more enlightened than those in texas, so, even though they have a better quality of life, realize their lives are still not perfect, thus increasing their unhappiness. meanwhile, the ignorant folks in texas don't know how bad they have it, and are therefor happier. ignorance is bliss. quality of life =/= happiness.

Thankfully I bought a home in a state where I also can become less enlightened than I am in CA, and not realize how bad it really is......

WindySummer 03-07-2013 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbenson (Post 58059808)

The golden rule is never sell coastal real estate.


Tell that to the people hit by Tsunami and or tidal waves + People are being forced to move due to natural erosion.

You're right. Anything can happen anywhere. I passed on buying RE in Santa Barbara in the mid-80's.

Lesson learned, no place to build: RE goes through the roof. I'm just saying I was Lucky to buy 40 minutes South of SB. I live exactly 1.1 mile from the beach b/c exactly of your point.

If I was 20-30 something at this time, I would NOT be able to buy a house, period.

Elmer 03-07-2013 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58056746)
we're not talking about in houston, i'm talking about in university place, which is where rice is, which is it's own city. house prices there are way higher than in houston.

West University Place is indeed a city, but they still use Houston as their address.

There are other wealthier neighborhoods in the Houston metropolitan area.

Elmer 03-07-2013 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WindySummer (Post 58060442)
You're right. Anything can happen anywhere. I passed on buying RE in Santa Barbara in the mid-80's.

Lesson learned, no place to build: RE goes through the roof. I'm just saying I was Lucky to buy 40 minutes South of SB. I live exactly 1.1 mile from the beach b/c exactly of your point.

If I was 20-30 something at this time, I would NOT be able to buy a house, period.

Living at the beach was my idea of nirvana when I was in my 20's. It didn't take long for crowds, traffic, transients, blocked driveways, burglaries, drunks, noise, car break ins, and other delights to convince me there were better places to live.

andyfico 03-07-2013 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58055444)
well, i disagree with the rankings. people in california are generally more enlightened than those in texas, so, even though they have a better quality of life, realize their lives are still not perfect, thus increasing their unhappiness. meanwhile, the ignorant folks in texas don't know how bad they have it, and are therefor happier. ignorance is bliss. quality of life =/= happiness.


actually, you brought up the comparison, and i just ended it by making it apparent how much better my examples are.

And you know all this based on.................?

thikthird 03-07-2013 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elmer (Post 58060366)
Thankfully I bought a home in a state where I also can become less enlightened than I am in CA, and not realize how bad it really is......

i doubt that, considering the source.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elmer (Post 58060922)
West University Place is indeed a city, but they still use Houston as their address.

There are other wealthier neighborhoods in the Houston metropolitan area.

i didn't say it was the wealthiest neighbor around houston. i could've been dishonest and chosen someplace more expensive in river oaks or bunker hill, but i picked a place near rice. which is pretty expensive.

Elmer 03-07-2013 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58062306)
i doubt that, considering the source..

Thanks for the compliment, but I really hope I continue to lose my enlightenness, and keep believing I am much happier out of the state of California.

Deusxmachina 03-07-2013 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58055444)
people in california are generally more enlightened than those in texas,

If they're so enlightened, they wouldn't be living in California.
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Originally Posted by kbenson (Post 58059808)
[I]
Tell that to the people hit by Tsunami and or tidal waves + People are being forced to move due to natural erosion.

No worries. Just get a taxpayer-funded bailout since those places are so dangerous private insurance companies refused to insure anything built there.

Elmer 03-07-2013 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by andyfico (Post 58061692)
And you know all this based on.................?

More people who share their beliefs.

I would hope all such people would move to California [youtube.com].

LivninSC 03-07-2013 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Deusxmachina (Post 58062680)
If they're so enlightened, they wouldn't be living in California.

It's stupid F'ing generalizations like this that substantiate the comment that made you post this reply. You get that right?

I am a born and raised Californian and my family has been here since the 1800s. I've lived really one other place and have worked in many different states and countries as a consultant for a number of years. As a Californian I hate the Dems in power that think the way to go is to take from the haves to give to the have nots. I hate the ridiculous pay/benefits/pensions the public sector employees yet. I hate the whole illegal alien problem and the financial burden it puts on the population. There are a lot of things I don't like about it. That said however the weather is great. I almost never turn on my A/C or heat. I surf quite a bit and go to the beach even more. I hang out with my friends, dogs, family, outside etc. a good chunk of the year and don't have to worry about being rained on, eaten alive by bugs, and oh get to be outside while most of the country is inside because it's but ass cold. I earn a good salary, more than I would be able to make in say Texas to cover the additional taxes we're forced to pay so it more or less breaks even.

Living in CA doesn't make sense for everyone but for those of us who earn a good living and enjoy an outdoor lifestyle, especially one that revolves around beach activities it's pretty damn hard to beat. Now if only we could get the illegals and East Coasters to get the F out the place would be a lot better... :D

WindySummer 03-07-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmer (Post 58061192)
Living at the beach was my idea of nirvana when I was in my 20's. It didn't take long for crowds, traffic, transients, blocked driveways, burglaries, drunks, noise, car break ins, and other delights to convince me there were better places to live.

It's interesting. I never lived 40 steps to the beach, although that was my goal. Summertime was the best time of year. Anyway, my Dad lived in Nahant, MA for about 2yrs about 10-15yrs ago. In MA, it was like you made it - if you made it to the ocean. However, he told me "after a while, he found himself not looking out at the huge ocean front window, nor going going out on the deck all that much."

He convinced me the "view" wasn't something he looked at everyday. At first it was an everyday thing, but it quickly wore off. That, and other things like you mentioned above convinced me to live close to the ocean, but not Malibu close.

By the way, do you happen to know if it's private insurance that pays for the flooding that wipes out some of the beach houses in Malibu every couple of years?

Deusxmachina 03-07-2013 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LivninSC (Post 58063006)
It's stupid F'ing generalizations like this that substantiate the comment that made you post this reply. You get that right?

Just trying to trash talk some lefties, dude.

Elmer basically said the same thing but was nicer about it.

LivninSC 03-07-2013 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WindySummer (Post 58063184)
He convinced me the "view" wasn't something he looked at everyday. At first it was an everyday thing, but it quickly wore off. That, and other things like you mentioned above convinced me to live close to the ocean, but not Malibu close.

Heh, I lived in Malibu for 5 years and Santa Monica for another 3. It was great when I was young but frankly I longed for the winter months. Getting around in the summer is a PITA, not to mention all the "summer pro" surfers that would show up... Winter has better surf, still quite nice weather, and you can easily find a parking spot or stroll along the boardwalk without being hassled by some ahole family in a double wide bike cart taking up the whole boardwalk!

thikthird 03-07-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Deusxmachina (Post 58063242)
Just trying to trash talk some lefties, dude.

Elmer basically said the same thing but was nicer about it.

you didn't do a good job of it. source -- my unhurt feels.

Elmer 03-07-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LivninSC (Post 58063006)
I am a born and raised Californian and my family has been here since the 1800s. I've lived really one other place and have worked in many different states and countries as a consultant for a number of years. As a Californian I hate the Dems in power that think the way to go is to take from the haves to give to the have nots. I hate the ridiculous pay/benefits/pensions the public sector employees yet. I hate the whole illegal alien problem and the financial burden it puts on the population. There are a lot of things I don't like about it. That said however the weather is great. I almost never turn on my A/C or heat. I surf quite a bit and go to the beach even more. I hang out with my friends, dogs, family, outside etc. a good chunk of the year and don't have to worry about being rained on, eaten alive by bugs, and oh get to be outside while most of the country is inside because it's but ass cold. I earn a good salary, more than I would be able to make in say Texas to cover the additional taxes we're forced to pay so it more or less breaks even.

Living in CA doesn't make sense for everyone but for those of us who earn a good living and enjoy an outdoor lifestyle, especially one that revolves around beach activities it's pretty damn hard to beat. Now if only we could get the illegals and East Coasters to get the F out the place would be a lot better... :D

I also lived in CA for most of my life. And while there are many things about CA I loved, many/most of them have either changed, or the penalty for enjoying them isn't worth it.

Stop believing the tourist board's propaganda. There are other beautiful places in the country. I spend more time outside in my new home than I did in CA, in spite of a little more rain and some snow. Winter activities are abundant, and despite what you've been told, humans don't die when the outside air temperature drops below 70 degrees. Frankly, I'm colder in CA, because of the crap build quality of even "luxury" homes. I use less heat here, even when it's 40 degrees colder outside.
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I earn a good salary, more than I would be able to make in say Texas to cover the additional taxes we're forced to pay so it more or less breaks even.
Maybe. But I think if you added up all of the other little taxes and "fees" that you aren't paying in other states, (car registration was less than a fifth as much for the same car), coupled with how much less other things cost, (my utilities and water bills are less than half, even in a bigger home with more landscaping, car insurance is half, etc.), you might find you're not making as much as you think.

Oh, I did forget. Most of my neighbors are hunters and gun owners. Sometimes, you can even hear some of them shooting on their property. Guess that wouldn't work for you, having to sleep under your bed and all.... ;)

Elmer 03-07-2013 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WindySummer (Post 58063184)
It's interesting. I never lived 40 steps to the beach, although that was my goal. Summertime was the best time of year. Anyway, my Dad lived in Nahant, MA for about 2yrs about 10-15yrs ago. In MA, it was like you made it - if you made it to the ocean. However, he told me "after a while, he found himself not looking out at the huge ocean front window, nor going going out on the deck all that much."

He convinced me the "view" wasn't something he looked at everyday. At first it was an everyday thing, but it quickly wore off. That, and other things like you mentioned above convinced me to live close to the ocean, but not Malibu close.

By the way, do you happen to know if it's private insurance that pays for the flooding that wipes out some of the beach houses in Malibu every couple of years?

I don't. I would hope it's all private flood insurance, but i wouldn't be surprised to find out that government money has bailed out some of them.

Elmer 03-07-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LivninSC (Post 58063006)
Living in CA doesn't make sense for everyone but for those of us who earn a good living and enjoy an outdoor lifestyle, especially one that revolves around beach activities it's pretty damn hard to beat.

I will say the surfing sucks away from the coast.

Snow boarding is pretty fun though.

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Originally Posted by LivninSC (Post 58063006)
Now if only we could get the illegals and East Coasters to get the F out the place would be a lot better... :D

Good luck with that.

Elmer 03-07-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Deusxmachina (Post 58063242)
Just trying to trash talk some lefties, dude.

Elmer basically said the same thing but was nicer about it.

Snitch.....

WindySummer 03-07-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LivninSC (Post 58065308)
It was great when I was young but frankly I longed for the winter months. Getting around in the summer is a PITA, not to mention all the "summer pro" surfers that would show up... Winter has better surf, still quite nice weather, and you can easily find a parking spot or stroll along the boardwalk without being hassled by some ahole family in a double wide bike cart taking up the whole boardwalk!

I hear you! Summertime is non-stop traffic.

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Originally Posted by Elmer (Post 58065794)
Winter activities are abundant, and despite what you've been told, humans don't die when the outside air temperature drops below 70 degrees. Amen. Frankly, I'm colder in CA, because of the crap build quality of even "luxury" homes. I use less heat here, even when it's 40 degrees colder outside.

I don't doubt it. Unfortunately, the builders cut a LOT of corners in the tract housing.

My family rented a house down the Cape during the first 10 days of February. We were snowed in two days during the blizzard. My childhood memories had me thinking it was the end of the world wrt getting to the airport. Thankfully, the landlord had extra winter clothes & 4-5 shovels.

It worked out fine.

Elmer 03-07-2013 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WindySummer (Post 58066838)
I don't doubt it. Unfortunately, the builders cut a LOT of corners in the tract housing.

They cut a lot of corners in spec houses in CA too. Once you get beneath the pretty facades, the workmanship was terrible.

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Originally Posted by WindySummer (Post 58066838)
My family rented a house down the Cape during the first 10 days of February. We were snowed in two days during the blizzard. My childhood memories had me thinking it was the end of the world wrt getting to the airport. Thankfully, the landlord had extra winter clothes & 4-5 shovels.

It worked out fine.

It is funny how Southern Californians think that snow is the end of the world.

Of course, considering how they drive in the rain, I guess it makes sense.

gunnerusa 03-07-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LivninSC (Post 58059960)
What's your point? That in 100 years people will be able to say OMFG the road system we're on was designed back in the 1900s! How can it still be effective!!!!!!!!!

That any transportation system has to plan 20 years out if it hopes to remain ahead of the curve. When I go to the East Coast, I'm always pleased by how easy it is to get around. Sure, I can rent a car and drive, but I almost never do...it's unnecessary, because there are so many subway, regional rail, Amtrak, and bus options. Things are getting better in California. Metrolink and Amtrak are increasingly viable options on some routes, but remember that Metrolink was designed 20 years ago. If you aren't building out today for tomorrow's needs, you'll be swamped when tomorrow comes.

WindySummer 03-07-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmer (Post 58067054)
They cut a lot of corners in spec houses in CA too. Once you get beneath the pretty facades, the workmanship was terrible.

Because of this, we hired a reputable builder in 1998 to build a small house w/ a guest house. I should have been more prepared, the workmanship was good, but in the guest house the guy put single pane glass in wood framed glass doors. It was my fault because I didn't spell it out. Still single pane glass in 1998? That pissed me off, but it was my fault. So, going forward every single detail will be in writing. Although, I'm not in a position to build a new house for at least 10yrs, if it all.

bluejen 03-07-2013 03:03 PM


And I assume you're aware of what kind of jobs in Texas. Nothing any of us would want to do.

Elmer 03-07-2013 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WindySummer (Post 58068072)
Because of this, we hired a reputable builder in 1998 to build a small house w/ a guest house. I should have been more prepared, the workmanship was good, but in the guest house the guy put single pane glass in wood framed glass doors. It was my fault because I didn't spell it out. Still single pane glass in 1998? That pissed me off, but it was my fault. So, going forward every single detail will be in writing. Although, I'm not in a position to build a new house for at least 10yrs, if it all.

Your experience isn't unusual. I've even seen them use lesser materials than were spec'd and paid for, especially if it's in a hidden area that there's no way to know they did it.

Get it in writing, and go and make regular inspections while they're building, or try and find an honest inspector/contractor to do it for you.

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Originally Posted by JennyQ (Post 58068186)
And I assume you're aware of what kind of jobs in Texas. Nothing any of us would want to do.

Of that I'm sure.....

MISHNAH 03-07-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JennyQ (Post 58068186)
And I assume you're aware of what kind of jobs in Texas. Nothing any of us would want to do.

The dignity of an undignified job is STILL many more times dignified than being a moocher on welfare and unemployment.

Radeck 03-07-2013 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JennyQ (Post 58068186)
And I assume you're aware of what kind of jobs in Texas. Nothing any of us would want to do.

you don't know how true that is...we have REAL jobs for professionals and people with proven work ethic, in dozens of Fortune 500 companies, oil and gas companies, financial services, tech companies, the Port of Houston, etc... not ones for brain dead self-important narcissist Californians like life guard, surf instructor, "aspiring" model, "aspiring" actor and other low-effort 4-hour-a-day jobs that leave people on welfare and a burden to the rest of society.

Xygonn 03-07-2013 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JennyQ (Post 58068186)
And I assume you're aware of what kind of jobs in Texas. Nothing any of us would want to do.

I guess you haven't heard of Austin's tech industry and Houston's financial and energy industries. I'd be willing to bet California has more migrant pickers than Texas.

MISHNAH 03-07-2013 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Xygonn (Post 58069374)
I'd be willing to bet California has more migrant pickers than Texas.

They just truck in fruits and veggies from Mexico, why buy thr cow when you only want the milk? haha

But seriously, I bought some pico de gallo in a plastic container and it was made across the border, guess cutting veggies is cheaper there too.

OhNoItsDEVO 03-07-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58055444)
well, i disagree with the rankings. people in california are generally more enlightened than those in texas, so, even though they have a better quality of life, realize their lives are still not perfect, thus increasing their unhappiness. meanwhile, the ignorant folks in texas don't know how bad they have it, and are therefor happier. ignorance is bliss. quality of life =/= happiness.


actually, you brought up the comparison, and i just ended it by making it apparent how much better my examples are.

Holy shit those are some ignorant comments...

bluejen 03-07-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Xygonn (Post 58069374)
I guess you haven't heard of Austin's tech industry and Houston's financial and energy industries. I'd be willing to bet California has more migrant pickers than Texas.

Some facts:
But instead of speculating, let's look at the data. The Lookout used jobs data compiled by the Department of Labor to determine which industries have gained jobs in Texas since June 2009. Here's what we found:
• Roughly 39,000 out of the 302,000 new jobs created in Texas since the recovery began -- or 13 percent -- were in government. And 82 percent of those new government jobs were in local government. Texas's public sector has expanded by more than 2 percent in the past two years -- very nearly as fast as its private sector.
• Another 39,500 -- just over 13 percent -- were in oil and gas extraction, or in support activities for mining, a category that includes oil-field services companies.
• Even more -- 78,000, or 26 percent -- were in home health-care services or "ambulatory health-care services," while an additional 64,000, or 21 percent, were in "administrative and support services". Another 43,000, or 14 percent, were in "employment services."
And 24,000, or 7.9 percent, were in "food services and drinking places" -- restaurants and bars, essentially.
Together, those categories account for nearly 95 percent of the new jobs created in Texas.
The manufacturing sector, which nationwide has seen renewed growth in recent years [yahoo.com], has lost 1,800 jobs in Texas over the same period.

OhNoItsDEVO 03-07-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58055518)
people who get suckered into going to church and all that are usually easier duped into thinking they have it good and should be happy.

Where do you even come up with this nonsense?

MISHNAH 03-07-2013 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OhNoItsDEVO (Post 58072208)
Holy shit those are some ignorant comments...

Well, Californians do like the smell of their own farts after all....

MISHNAH 03-07-2013 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JennyQ (Post 58072212)
Some facts:
But instead of speculating, let's look at the data. The Lookout used jobs data compiled by the Department of Labor to determine which industries have gained jobs in Texas since June 2009. Here's what we found:
• Roughly 39,000 out of the 302,000 new jobs created in Texas since the recovery began -- or 13 percent -- were in government. And 82 percent of those new government jobs were in local government. Texas's public sector has expanded by more than 2 percent in the past two years -- very nearly as fast as its private sector.
• Another 39,500 -- just over 13 percent -- were in oil and gas extraction, or in support activities for mining, a category that includes oil-field services companies.
• Even more -- 78,000, or 26 percent -- were in home health-care services or "ambulatory health-care services," while an additional 64,000, or 21 percent, were in "administrative and support services". Another 43,000, or 14 percent, were in "employment services."
And 24,000, or 7.9 percent, were in "food services and drinking places" -- restaurants and bars, essentially.
Together, those categories account for nearly 95 percent of the new jobs created in Texas.
The manufacturing sector, which nationwide has seen renewed growth in recent years [yahoo.com], has lost 1,800 jobs in Texas over the same period.

Are we counting manufacturing as putting parts together, or as making stuff from scratch and/or other products?

The vast majority of oil support services make products or process other products into their final form.

I'd call that manufacturing, and there is plenty of that.

thikthird 03-08-2013 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MISHNAH (Post 58069012)
The dignity of an undignified job is STILL many more times dignified than being a moocher on welfare and unemployment.

not really.

MISHNAH 03-08-2013 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58081154)
not really.

So its better to be a slave to a govt master who throws you a few scraps you can barely survive on? Gotcha.

StarNova 03-08-2013 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58081154)
not really.

If you look at all the folks on welfare and/or SSI, I don't think most of their lives are really that bad. The essentials of life are provided, housing, food, and gov't medical care. I do hope and work hard so my children will be productive and useful people when they grow up but I can see how folks end up on the dole. One bad accident and no disability insurance and you're on SSI.

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Originally Posted by MISHNAH (Post 58081240)
So its better to be a slave to a govt master who throws you a few scraps you can barely survive on? Gotcha.

When you are in the system, you don't see anything else. You get free cell and home phone, you get gov't housing, food stamps, and medicaid (or medicare). Why strive to have more? The gov't is your provider, not you. I do think it's sad that some folks fraud the system when they could be working. If you are truly needy or disabled, I want my tax dollars to assist you.

thikthird 03-08-2013 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MISHNAH (Post 58081240)
So its better to be a slave to a govt master who throws you a few scraps you can barely survive on? Gotcha.

so its better to be a slave to a private master who throws you a few scraps you can barely survive on? gotcha.

MISHNAH 03-08-2013 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58081832)
so its better to be a slave to a private master who throws you a few scraps you can barely survive on? gotcha.

When you work for a private entity, you are free to choose which master you work for and also to negotiate a mutually beneficial payment of scraps.

When you are a slave to the govt, you have no choice or say in your scraps, its either take it or leave it.

vaultaddict 03-08-2013 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by charles052 (Post 58041792)
You mean fewer people get paid to not do a darn thing in Texas (i.e. living on welfare)!!! Oh, the humanity!!!

I don't think you've been to TX.

thikthird 03-08-2013 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MISHNAH (Post 58082252)
When you work for a private entity, you are free to choose which master you work for and also to negotiate a mutually beneficial payment of scraps.

When you are a slave to the govt, you have no choice or say in your scraps, its either take it or leave it.

did you actually read what you wrote?

Radeck 03-08-2013 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OhNoItsDEVO (Post 58072268)
Where do you even come up with this nonsense?

today's public school (aka socialist indoctrination centers) curricula, where else?

OhNoItsDEVO 03-08-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58081154)
not really.

Well thats your problem right there...

OhNoItsDEVO 03-08-2013 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thikthird (Post 58081832)
so its better to be a slave to a private master who throws you a few scraps you can barely survive on? gotcha.

Better to take personal responsability for ones own life, and make your own way in this world, than to be dependent on others tax dollars, handed out by our government.

Of course there are those who are truely needed, and who can't help themselves.
Those people should be taken care of.
The ones who choose to take government handouts, when they are of able body and mind, deserve nothing.
If they aren't willing to take care of themselves, let them die.
I have no sympathy for those sorts of people.

LivninSC 03-08-2013 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OhNoItsDEVO (Post 58072268)
Where do you even come up with this nonsense?

I believe he read it on his colon...

chazjr 03-08-2013 04:08 PM

California is Desperate.. California is a sinking Ship.. :nod:

California is running Radio Ads to get $$..

Buy California Bonds
http://www.buycaliforniabonds.com/

Deusxmachina 03-08-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chazjr (Post 58093988)
California is Desperate.. California is a sinking Ship.. :nod:

Buy California Bonds
http://www.buycaliforniabonds.com/

If I can get a slick deal on them, I'd consider buying some California Blonds.

chazjr 03-08-2013 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Deusxmachina (Post 58094430)
If I can get a slick deal on them, I'd consider buying some California Blonds.

Yes.. the California Blonds are the only good investment left in California.. Even that is pretty Shaky.. :nod:

This is probably a better investment..
The Titanic is being rebuilt..:lol:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...z2N09w3Kxn

chazjr 03-18-2013 06:54 AM

More Tax Hikes for Californians.. They raising Taxes and Fees on anything they can think of.

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More than two dozen bills introduced in the current session, takes aim at Californians' pocketbooks.

Taxes, fees or other charges are proposed for soda pop and sweet tea drinkers, motorists, gun owners and people who frequent strip clubs, buy prepaid cellular phone minutes, or use paper or plastic shopping bags.

Businesses are targeted by proposals ranging from an oil severance tax to a manufacturers fee for mattress recycling, and a crackdown on firms that avoid property tax reassessments after ownership changes.

"It doesn't surprise us at all," Jon Coupal, president of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association, said of the numerous bills. "Our elected political class has an insatiable appetite for even more money."
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/03/18/...rylink=cpy

LivninSC 03-18-2013 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by chazjr (Post 58290320)
More Tax Hikes for Californians.. They raising Taxes and Fees on anything they can think of.


Ohhhhh, do tell, what is this! Only thing I know of is like if a family member gifts you a property in their will or through other means.

firms that avoid property tax reassessments after ownership changes.

Radeck 03-18-2013 01:04 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danie...good-jobs/

5 out of 10 best cities for jobs are in Texas. Ranks 1,2,3,4, and 6 are Texas cities.

gunnerusa 03-18-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Radeck (Post 58299704)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danie...good-jobs/

5 out of 10 best cities for jobs are in Texas. Ranks 1,2,3,4, and 6 are Texas cities.

:shake:
They tell you how the survey was engineered to produce that result right off the bat: they discarded results from California that disproved their assertions.

Tony_Danza 03-18-2013 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Radeck (Post 58299704)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danie...good-jobs/

5 out of 10 best cities for jobs are in Texas. Ranks 1,2,3,4, and 6 are Texas cities.

And out of those Ft. Worth was the only city of those 5 that didn't go for Obama in 2012.

TrueRightWinger 03-18-2013 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony_Danza (Post 58300456)
And out of those Ft. Worth was the only city of those 5 that didn't go for Obama in 2012.

Is there any large city that didn't?

chazjr 03-18-2013 01:57 PM

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More than two dozen bills introduced in the current session, takes aim at Californians' pocketbooks.
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/03/18/...rylink=cpy
They don't list all the 2 dozen bills. One can only imagine what they will be..
But most Californians agree.. When they die.. On their Tombstone.. Just put "Taxed to Death." :nod:

rrc06 03-19-2013 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gunnerusa (Post 58300284)
:shake:
They tell you how the survey was engineered to produce that result right off the bat: they discarded results from California that disproved their assertions.

False

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To construct this list, Forbes gathered data from Moody’s Analytics on the 100 largest U.S. metropolitan areas. We then ranked the cities according to recent and expected job growth, current unemployment rate, and current and expected per-capita income. We threw out cities with high unemployment rates or that are clearly rebounding from severe economic distress, such as Stockton, Calif., which came in first on 2012 job growth at 3.7% but still sports a 14% unemployment rate. We also gave increased weight to areas with high and growing per-capita incomes, to avoid steering people to cities that are adding lots of low-wage jobs. A description of the methodology is here

gunnerusa 03-19-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rrc06 (Post 58318278)
False

Yes, I thought that was ridiculous. First, they don't explain the rationale behind discarding strong growth in high-unemployment areas. Second, they implicitly punish areas that are in recovery by penalizing them for their economic distress *and* for recovering from that distress.

chazjr 03-26-2013 01:45 PM

California's insanity continues..

chazjr 04-01-2013 12:44 PM

California Sales Tax State and City Tax Increase.. Effective April 1..

April Fools...... But the sad Truth is.. It's True..!!

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Hang on to your wallets: New sales taxes kick in April 1
http://www.orovillemr.com/news/ci...kick-april

Elmer 04-01-2013 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chazjr (Post 58598216)
California Sales Tax State and City Tax Increase.. Effective April 1..

April Fools...... But the sad Truth is.. It's True..!!

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A trio of cities in Los Angeles County already reached the 10 percent mark, and Moraga, Half Moon Bay and Albany will come perilously close at 9.5 percent.
Pretty funny watching this........

I figure they'll have 15% sales taxes in another year or two.

Foreveryours 04-01-2013 10:57 PM

I thought the poor did not have to pay any taxes?

Elmer 04-02-2013 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Foreveryours (Post 58609848)
I thought the poor did not have to pay any taxes?

No...you're confused. That's income tax that they don't pay, and even get money back that they didn't pay in. They do have to pay sales taxes on their purchases that are subject to it.

Thankfully, the majority of their expenditures are exempt from sales tax, so like other taxes, it's mainly paid by higher income folks.

empiretc 04-02-2013 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmer (Post 58614954)
No...you're confused. That's income tax that they don't pay, and even get money back that they didn't pay in.


was talking to a guy a few days ago that makes ~$16k a year working for a local school district, and he was telling me about the plans he had for his $11k refund check.

:confused:

shady stuff going on and not uncommon at all.

Elmer 04-02-2013 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by empiretc (Post 58615076)
was talking to a guy a few days ago that makes ~$16k a year working for a local school district, and he was telling me about the plans he had for his $11k refund check.

:confused:

shady stuff going on and not uncommon at all.

That would seem like more than shady. I'm guessing he's either confused or he's committing tax fraud.

empiretc 04-02-2013 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmer (Post 58615128)
That would seem like more than shady. I'm guessing he's either confused or he's committing tax fraud.


a lot people manage it around here. you can find several "income tax" places- where it is just a person using TurboTax. they do the- "don't worry, if you don't have kids, we will find you some" kind of stuff.

one of the neighbors and his wife filed separately. He got ~$8k and she got ~$9k. besides the fact that they get quite a bit in welfare, and have their utilities and property taxes discounted.


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