New Pennsylvania Law Allows Birth Certificates for Stillborns
 

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/w_Pa...d=14064338
More stupid laws on the books......

I already have issues with the gov't making laws based on individuals demands.... I.E all those laws on the books named after someone..

But this is just ridiculous.... you get a birth certificate just for being pregnant...

This is just more attempts to erode Roe vs. Wade.... hey if being pregnant = a birth certificate... does that mean getting rid of a pregnancy = murder.....:wave:

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1: From Article: "On Sept. 5, 2011, Pennsylvania will become the 31st state to offer the certificate upon request."

2. There are already laws on the books considering crimes against a fetus.

3. Come on...

I'm as pro-choice as they come but if a Birth certificate gives a grieving Mom solace? Print the damn thing up at the same time as the death certificate. Costs ya 10 minutes and a buck or two

I agree.. Heck even charge them the 10 bucks if you must... but be a f***ing human.

Some people need it for closure and to move on., it can be a tramatic experience.
Heck, I know a couple that named and buried a child they mis-carried (though the grave might empty though, I never asked).

I would second that.

OP, way to overlook the State's right to self determination in these matters...Kudos to the Commonwealth of PA's decision here, better late than never.

IMHO it sounds like some other States have some catching up to do.

Guess you never knew a young mother 9 months pregnant whom had a car accident (not her fault), trapped in the vehicle, with a broken pelvis - taken to the hospital - and the baby was delivered still born as a result of the accident. I know of the person this happened to - and indeed it was tragic - and they buried this baby - and yes - a birth certificate was issued well before this ever became law in PA.

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I agree with the others, OP. And it's by request. Not every family will want a birth certificate but at least they have the choice of having their child recognized by the state.

It's not about abortion. It's about giving respect for the dead and their grieving parents. And how we treat our dead says a lot about our society.

Perfectly said. Thank you. New York State is waiting for its Governor to sign the bill. It is an option document (paid for by parents) for stillborn children 20wks gestation age+. In the US, a fetal death certificate is filed and families are required to have a burial/cremation via a funeral home (based on their definition of stillbirth i.e.: gestational age, weight).

Logicially speaking, if a death certificate hasn't eroded Roe v. Wade.........

Roe v. Wade as an abomination. Even many liberal law scholars admit that. It's one thing to believe abortion should be legal. That's a position I can respect. Believing that abortion is protected by the Due Process clause is disgusting and intellectually bankrupt.

I recall at one time GA or TN legislature introduced a bill to make PI to be equal to 3 in schools.

That is the nice thing about laws. They need not follow scientific laws or even logic.

I'm just thinking about the tax implications(on which I don't really have an opinion either way). I wonder if the birth certificate will allow parents to obtain a social security number so that they can claim the stillborn baby as a dependent, collect child tax credit, etc. In my state we have a stillborn credit on income taxes and I would assume that a birth certificate would not allow someone to take that particular credit.

The article says that Pennsylvania is joining 31 other states in issuing birth certificates which is not really accurate. Thirty one other states do not all offer certificates of live birth for stillborns. They have varying laws from issuing certificates of stillbirth to offering a tax exemption or tax credit on state income taxes.

I agree.

My Son
 

Not Everyone wants Money from the government for their child. My Son Tyler RJ was born still on 4/21/2011 at 36 weeks and you know what I got a death certificate and I don't see how the have no problem telling me my son dead but could even give me a birth certificate. Your telling me that if you had a child who was born still that you would be ok with people not acknowledging your child. It broke my heart when they told me I couldn't have a birth certificate cause my son never breathed so he didn't live. Get the he'll out of here you need to be alive in order to die and if your heart is beating than you are alive be stay alive on machines that breath for them an they are still consider alive. Whether a child breathes or not they are alive and think you all should go what I have been through and then tell me I don't deserve a birth certificate. M son has rights to be acknowledged and I don't care what any one says he will be thanks to the new law passed here in pa. I don't want money from anyone just some god damn respect I earned it!!

I would hope no state issues a certificate of live birth for a stillbirth.
The bureaucracy, implementation, and passage of the law to provide this additional document is not free.
It does not seem there is much in the way of opposition to providing a properly notated "birth certificate" for a stillbirth on request.
A death certificate is an acknowledgement.
Traditionally, a birth certificate has been a record of live birth.
If it was a live birth, I would have expected a birth certificate to be issued.
I am not a doctor, but not breathing is usually a sign of decease.
Is the Pennsylvania law retroactive?
The new practice of issuing a birth certificate for a stillbirth is going to cost money.

if you have time to write that, you have time to tell me how many democrats who voted for Obamacare actually read the 2,000+ pages...

Just saying....

I must admit, you stay focused. Completely off topic, but focused nonetheless.

Thanks.... I would just appreciate it if he could answer the question. Unless you're a hardened party ideologue, we all know most of the democrats did not read a 2,000+ page bill that would effect every American for the rest of their life if passed.

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I looked it up and it looks like PA will issue a 'certificate of birth resulting in death'. I'm still wondering if any other states actually issue a birth certificate that is separate from a death certificate.

I know that you have no interest in answering the question, because you hold democrats and republicans to two different standards. People notice buddy....:nod:

Don't bother asking me questions in the future because I'll just return the favor of silence. :nod:

I looked up that phrase and it only appears in a couple of places and seems to be a typo. The correct name appears to be "Certificate of Birth Resulting in Stillbirth".

Some other names being used are Certificate of Stillbirth, Commemorative Certificate of Stillbirth, and Stillbirth Certificate.

Here is a policy document at the Arizona Department of Health Services: Certificate of Birth Resulting in Stillbirth [googleusercontent.com].

The Stillbirth certificate is optional, with data from the Fetal Death Certificate being used to complete it. Both share the same certificate number.

It does look to be a separate certificate.

A search [google.com] brings up no shortage of other states employing the new practice.

My son was born still on September 5, 2012. He was BORN via natural child BIRTH, and therefore deserves a BIRTH certificate. I don't care if the certificate states he was stillborn, but it should be issued because unless there is life, there is no death. His heart was beating 12 hours before he was born but becaus of the unexplained preterm premature rupture of membranes at 20 weeks 1 day gestation, he was BORN at 20 weeks 5 days gestation with undeveloped lung capacity. Hospitals wll not issue a birth certificate in PA because hospital issued certificates are LIVE birth certificates. PA did pass the agel law signed by governor Corbett to issue birth certificates to parents of a still born child that spoecifically state th child was still born and i the baby as born post 16 weeks gestation. FYI in the state of PA, if your child is born before 16 weeks gestation, te baby is not eligible for the birth certificates for stillborns. AND for those that do qualify for the certificates, parents need to request a certified copy of the death certificate that provides poof that the infant was stillborn to request a stillbirth certificate.

Please educate yourselves before having a "disagreement of opinion" in an open forum. And, having had to walk in these shoes, how dare anyone judge a grieving parent if you have not walked in their shoes. Acknowledgement that these parents were in the pain of labor, be it C-secton or labor, and their child was born is what a BIRTH certificate should state... that a child was born via child BIRTH. Whether the lived through the birthing process should be irrelevant.

For those grieving like me and with me, I pray we find solace in togetherness. May God lend His hand in our healing.

I'm very sorry to hear for your loss. However, I believe this particular birth certificate law was made as a pretense to outlaw abortion, and not as a way to console a grieving person such as yourself.

My best wishes to you.

Odd. Most of the certificates I've seen state "certificate of live birth". I don't see how anyone could sign that for a stillborn.

would such certificate entitle the parents to an extra personal tax deduction?