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mustardayonnais 08-24-2011 04:20 PM

Apple stock only $350 in after hours trading
 
The reason this deal is slick is that idiots are panic selling because Steve Jobs is resigning as CEO. As any competent human being would know, Apple Inc.'s value is not tied up in one man. So go buy some Apple stock on the cheap and make some money.

http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=AAPL

KiLLAJaTT 08-24-2011 04:23 PM

LMAO !! You must be n00b iTrader

http://www.google.com/finance?q=aapl

don't forget to buy BAC it's now 90% off lol

Trongie 08-24-2011 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KiLLAJaTT (Post 42145494)
LMAO !! You must be n00b iTrader

hes trying to jump ship :lol:

hle078 08-24-2011 04:24 PM

dude, you are the idiot for posting this on slickdeals...

wreckonized 08-24-2011 04:26 PM

OMG the touchpads sales is getting to him!

mustardayonnais 08-24-2011 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KiLLAJaTT (Post 42145494)
LMAO !! You must be n00b iTrader

http://www.google.com/finance?q=aapl

what am I looking at here that makes me a noob?

dudemind 08-24-2011 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mustardayonnais (Post 42145373)
The reason this deal is slick is that idiots are panic selling because Steve Jobs is resigning as CEO. As any competent human being would know, Apple Inc.'s value is not tied up in one man. So go buy some Apple stock on the cheap and make some money.

So every market overreaction to bad news is considered a "slick deal" based on your assumption of an impending correction? And if the correction never occurs? You've stated your opinion on inherent value of an investment that is determined by "what somebody else is willing to pay for it". That is hardly a slick deal.

This sounds more like an angry investor trying to drum up support in a personal holding that happened to lose money. Borderline market manipulation, bud.

mustardayonnais 08-24-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dudemind (Post 42145828)
So every market overreaction to bad news is considered a "slick deal" based on your assumption of an impending correction? And if the correction never occurs? You've stated your opinion on inherent value of an investment that is determined by "what somebody else is willing to pay for it". That is hardly a slick deal.

This sounds more like an angry investor trying to drum up support in a personal holding that happened to lose money. Borderline market manipulation, bud.

To the contrary, I've never owned Apple stock- until about 20 minutes ago. In my experience, every market overreaction to bad news has proven to be profitable. It's not rocket science, hell, Warren Buffet trumpets this same sentiment on the pages of every financial site on the planet.

"Look at market fluctuations as your friend rather than your enemy; profit from folly rather than participate in it."
Warren Buffett

slam518327 08-24-2011 04:51 PM

now is $356

I made $6 profit

mustardayonnais 08-24-2011 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by slam518327 (Post 42146855)
now is $356

I made $6 profit

No way! You mean the drop was an overreaction?! Wow, BIG SUPRISE!!! ;)

PiratesSayARRR 08-24-2011 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by slam518327 (Post 42146855)
now is $356

I made $6 profit

You bought 1 share???

LMAO

slam518327 08-24-2011 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PiratesSayARRR (Post 42147763)
You bought 1 share???

LMAO

yes, my account only $400 balance

jackbauer24 08-24-2011 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by slam518327 (Post 42147819)
yes, my account only $400 balance

than you could be able to buy 4 16gig hp touchpad, and flip it on ebay for $200 each, and you could of double your money.

WarrenBuffett 08-24-2011 09:59 PM

Time to short gold

Inpact 08-24-2011 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jackbauer24 (Post 42160671)
than you could be able to buy 4 16gig hp touchpad, and flip it on ebay for $200 each, and you could of double your money.

It's all sold out.

WindySummer 08-25-2011 12:29 AM

Apple stock: From $6.56 to $403 in about 8 years [latimes.com] Anybody get in under $7? LoL, seriously though, Unbelievable!!

Analysis: Jobs move cracks door open for Apple rival Samsung [reuters.com]

Samsung gets boost from Dutch court, Jobs resignation [yahoo.com]


Another take on Apple on 08.12. /2011...

Heebner Bets on JPMorgan Chase, Tiffany While Selling All Shares in Apple [bloomberg.com]
Heebner, 70, ran the best-performing diversified U.S. stock fund over a 10-year period for 11 straight quarters before he was unseated in the first quarter of 2011 by Thomas Soviero, manager of the $4.2 billion Fidelity Advisor Leveraged Company Stock Fund. He had boosted shares of Apple in the first quarter and is known for making concentrated bets in industries from homebuilding to commodities and for his willingness to shift gears quickly.

Apple is the undisputed 800lb. Gorilla, ..... but I believe JPM has more upside over the next 18 months, or so. Any opinions?

WildChickenDanc 08-25-2011 10:10 AM

Sorry missed the boat, only had a couple minutes to get it on sale. Back to the program.

mustardayonnais 08-25-2011 10:46 AM

Well kids, looks like I made a bad call here. I apologize.

Oh, wait. It's up to 372 from 356 last night. Never mind.

Disrespectfully,
the n00b trader

Inpact 08-25-2011 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KiLLAJaTT (Post 42145494)
LMAO !! You must be n00b iTrader

http://www.google.com/finance?q=aapl

don't forget to buy BAC it's now 90% off lol

Dang it! I should of listened to you. Buffett just invested 5 billion in BAC and it is soaring right now.

Dr. J 08-25-2011 12:56 PM

I don't understand some people. Jobs was a CEO and figurehead - he isn't the guy dreaming up Apple's new products; it's not like Apple has now lost the only guy that invents shit. He didn't do anything except grandstand on stage. Talk about overreaction.

PiratesSayARRR 08-25-2011 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. J (Post 42195440)
I don't understand some people. Jobs was a CEO and figurehead - he isn't the guy dreaming up Apple's new products; it's not like Apple has now lost the only guy that invents shit. He didn't do anything except grandstand on stage. Talk about overreaction.

Actually that isn't true. Jobs established the culture for Apple and is the driving force behind Apple's success since 1997 (when Apple was nearly Bankrupt).

He also has over 300 Patents to his name (http://www.nytimes.com/interactiv...ts.html?hp)

He was more than just a figurehead.

matthimself 08-25-2011 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mustardayonnais (Post 42187559)
Well kids, looks like I made a bad call here. I apologize.

Oh, wait. It's up to 372 from 356 last night. Never mind.

Disrespectfully,
the n00b trader

damn, don't spend that profit all in once place.

mustardayonnais 08-25-2011 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by matthimself (Post 42197136)
damn, don't spend that profit all in once place.

Wow. just.... wow. You're gonna clown a one-day 5% return? Any investor with a little bit of foresight caught a 5% bump in one day on a solid security like AAPL. In three weeks there will be another bump when they announce the iPhone 5. On todays bump alone, if you picked up 50 shares, that's a $1000 gross. Not too shabby for a days (actually a few minutes) work.

Meanwhile you can go back to poring over the hot topics forum and try to save 30 cents on a roll of toilet paper. Good luck with that.

vaultaddict 08-25-2011 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mustardayonnais (Post 42198628)
Wow. just.... wow. You're gonna clown a one-day 5% return? Any investor with a little bit of foresight caught a 5% bump in one day on a solid security like AAPL. In three weeks there will be another bump when they announce the iPhone 5. On todays bump alone, if you picked up 50 shares, that's a $1000 gross. Not too shabby for a days (actually a few minutes) work.

Meanwhile you can go back to poring over the hot topics forum and try to save 30 cents on a roll of toilet paper. Good luck with that.

Be sure to post when your gambling doesn't work out too, so we can compare.

matthimself 08-25-2011 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mustardayonnais (Post 42198628)
Wow. just.... wow. You're gonna clown a one-day 5% return? Any investor with a little bit of foresight caught a 5% bump in one day on a solid security like AAPL. In three weeks there will be another bump when they announce the iPhone 5. On todays bump alone, if you picked up 50 shares, that's a $1000 gross. Not too shabby for a days (actually a few minutes) work.

Meanwhile you can go back to poring over the hot topics forum and try to save 30 cents on a roll of toilet paper. Good luck with that.

I could make a better return flipping touchpads for the same amount of work. If I had enough money for 50 shares of apple, not sure how much I would care about grossing 1k

mustardayonnais 08-25-2011 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by matthimself (Post 42202007)
I could make a better return flipping touchpads for the same amount of work. If I had enough money for 50 shares of apple, not sure how much I would care about grossing 1k

Okay, for the sake of argument, let's say you are able to buy 5 touchpads for $99 (unlikely since they're damn near impossible to find) and are able to flip them for $300 (again, unlikely considering what they're now going for on Ebay.) That'll net you $1000. Or will it? After the Ebay fees, shipping, and Paypal fees- christ, that's as much as the 15% capital gains I'll pay. Plus you gotta list em, box em, ship em, and bill for it. You really think that's the same amount of work as me clicking 'buy' on Wednesday evening and then clicking 'sell' on thursday morning?

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Originally Posted by vaultaddict
Be sure to post when your gambling doesn't work out too, so we can compare.

Sure, in some sense playing the market is gambling. But calculated risk on proven companies is far less riskier than your average game of blackjack. Have I lost money on the stock market? Absolutely. But over time, my investments in the market have always generated profit, just like most other average people. The same cannot be said about the average person's visit to a casino. My buy on AAPL was a no-brainer.

BTW, 50 shares of AAPL is about $18k. You wouldn't want to make $1k on that starting capital in a day? I suppose you're more likely to blow that money on a new car or something then. Well, enjoy your useless baubles. I'll be busy securing my kid's college payments and my retirement.

PiratesSayARRR 08-25-2011 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mustardayonnais (Post 42204159)
Okay, for the sake of argument, let's say you are able to buy 5 touchpads for $99 (unlikely since they're damn near impossible to find) and are able to flip them for $300 (again, unlikely considering what they're now going for on Ebay.) That'll net you $1000. Or will it? After the Ebay fees, shipping, and Paypal fees- christ, that's as much as the 15% capital gains I'll pay. Plus you gotta list em, box em, ship em, and bill for it. You really think that's the same amount of work as me clicking 'buy' on Wednesday evening and then clicking 'sell' on thursday morning?



Sure, in some sense playing the market is gambling. But calculated risk on proven companies is far less riskier than your average game of blackjack. Have I lost money on the stock market? Absolutely. But over time, my investments in the market have always generated profit, just like most other average people. The same cannot be said about the average person's visit to a casino. My buy on AAPL was a no-brainer.

BTW, 50 shares of AAPL is about $18k. You wouldn't want to make $1k on that starting capital in a day? I suppose you're more likely to blow that money on a new car or something then. Well, enjoy your useless baubles. I'll be busy securing my kid's college payments and my retirement.


There is a bit of misinformation in your post:

You quoted the 15% long terms capital gains tax...surely you know that assets held for <1 year are subject to short term capital gains...which just guessing is 25-28% for you.

matthimself 08-25-2011 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mustardayonnais (Post 42204159)
Okay, for the sake of argument, let's say you are able to buy 5 touchpads for $99 (unlikely since they're damn near impossible to find) and are able to flip them for $300 (again, unlikely considering what they're now going for on Ebay.) That'll net you $1000. Or will it? After the Ebay fees, shipping, and Paypal fees- christ, that's as much as the 15% capital gains I'll pay. Plus you gotta list em, box em, ship em, and bill for it. You really think that's the same amount of work as me clicking 'buy' on Wednesday evening and then clicking 'sell' on thursday morning?



Sure, in some sense playing the market is gambling. But calculated risk on proven companies is far less riskier than your average game of blackjack. Have I lost money on the stock market? Absolutely. But over time, my investments in the market have always generated profit, just like most other average people. The same cannot be said about the average person's visit to a casino. My buy on AAPL was a no-brainer.

BTW, 50 shares of AAPL is about $18k. You wouldn't want to make $1k on that starting capital in a day? I suppose you're more likely to blow that money on a new car or something then. Well, enjoy your useless baubles. I'll be busy securing my kid's college payments and my retirement.

I was speaking in terms that I could make better than a 5% return. 5 touchpads would be 500 dollars..... that 500 wouldn't get me 2 shares of stock. 2 shares of stock would net me next to nothing.... selling each pad for 50 dollar profit would be easy and make me more. My area has active craigslist..... it wouldn't be much work at all no shipping no boxing simple.

As far as blowing that 18k on a car.......rather buy a house out here and rent it to make me 500/mo over cost...... have fun doing that w/ APPL

mustardayonnais 08-25-2011 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PiratesSayARRR (Post 42204593)
There is a bit of misinformation in your post:

You quoted the 15% long terms capital gains tax...surely you know that assets held for <1 year are subject to short term capital gains...which just guessing is 25-28% for you.

My mistake, I mistyped. You are correct. Short term capital gains is the essentially the same as ordinary federal income tax rates.

So yes, I will be paying more in taxes. But doing far less legwork than I would playing Touchpad salesman. :)

matthimself 08-25-2011 04:44 PM

if you have this much faith in apple why not load up......you stand to make a hefty profit if the iphone5 does well.....

PiratesSayARRR 08-25-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by matthimself (Post 42206366)
I was speaking in terms that I could make better than a 5% return. 5 touchpads would be 500 dollars..... that 500 wouldn't get me 2 shares of stock. 2 shares of stock would net me next to nothing.... selling each pad for 50 dollar profit would be easy and make me more. My area has active craigslist..... it wouldn't be much work at all no shipping no boxing simple.

As far as blowing that 18k on a car.......rather buy a house out here and rent it to make me 500/mo over cost...... have fun doing that w/ APPL

It's all relative man...personally I would rather trade stocks than own a house to rent as a rental property requires more work that clicking buttons.

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Originally Posted by matthimself (Post 42207104)
if you have this much faith in apple why not load up......you stand to make a hefty profit if the iphone5 does well.....

While his post was about Apple he was more or less pointing to Panic selling...purchasing and then buying and reaping the profit....it could have been any company...but happened to be Apple.

vaultaddict 08-25-2011 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mustardayonnais (Post 42204159)
Sure, in some sense playing the market is gambling. But calculated risk on proven companies is far less riskier than your average game of blackjack. Have I lost money on the stock market? Absolutely. But over time, my investments in the market have always generated profit, just like most other average people. The same cannot be said about the average person's visit to a casino. My buy on AAPL was a no-brainer.

BTW, 50 shares of AAPL is about $18k. You wouldn't want to make $1k on that starting capital in a day? I suppose you're more likely to blow that money on a new car or something then. Well, enjoy your useless baubles. I'll be busy securing my kid's college payments and my retirement.


cool story bro

I'm debt free except for my house with a very small amount to go on that and a huge amount in retirement savings, at 38.

Good luck gambling. Slow and steady wins my race.

Dr. J 08-25-2011 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PiratesSayARRR (Post 42196267)
Actually that isn't true. Jobs established the culture for Apple and is the driving force behind Apple's success since 1997 (when Apple was nearly Bankrupt).

He also has over 300 Patents to his name (http://www.nytimes.com/interactiv...ts.html?hp)

He was more than just a figurehead.

but HOW LONG AGO.

That's like saying that Bill Gates envisioned the Windows7 interface personally.

barnz008 08-25-2011 05:27 PM

The way you "win" with a stock like this is to DCA your investment over time - not going "all in" and hoping for a damn miracle. Do your analysis, set your targets, stay patient, buy when it's out of favor, hold, sell on run ups, buy dips.

PiratesSayARRR 08-25-2011 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. J (Post 42208013)
but HOW LONG AGO.

That's like saying that Bill Gates envisioned the Windows7 interface personally.

How long ago what? These patents are recent and old alike.

He has been a very hands on CEO. Just read one of the numerous recent articles out there. The point is that Steve was involved in minute details of design; establishing Apple's culture and strategic direction.

Here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/26....html?_r=1

PiratesSayARRR 08-25-2011 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by barnz008 (Post 42208986)
The way you "win" with a stock like this is to DCA your investment over time - not going "all in" and hoping for a damn miracle. Do your analysis, set your targets, stay patient, buy when it's out of favor, hold, sell on run ups, buy dips.


I really don't like DCA...save that for your 401K.

in fact..."buying in dips" has nothing to do with DCA since DCA is investing a specified amount on a routine basis.

mustardayonnais 08-25-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by vaultaddict (Post 42207996)
cool story bro

I'm debt free except for my house with a very small amount to go on that and a huge amount in retirement savings, at 38.

Good luck gambling. Slow and steady wins my race.

Jesus, man. I'm 35 and could say the exact same thing. Slow and steady does win the race.

My initial posting was basically pointing out a dip on a rock solid security. I've never owned Apple before wednesday, but based on the fundamentals, the dip on wednesday seemed like a good opportunity for someone to get in at a slight discount. They could flip it short term and take 5% or hold and reap a nice long term gain. If you want to avoid investing in stocks, thats fine by me- just know that on average the stock market always outpaces every other type of investment out there. Making sensible buys and holding them for the long (or short) term will pay off.

goog40 08-25-2011 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KiLLAJaTT (Post 42145494)
LMAO !! You must be n00b iTrader

http://www.google.com/finance?q=aapl

don't forget to buy BAC it's now 90% off lol

Haha, self-ownage of the year nominee right here.

lovelyssm 08-25-2011 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mustardayonnais (Post 42216836)
Jesus, man. I'm 35 and could say the exact same thing. Slow and steady does win the race.

My initial posting was basically pointing out a dip on a rock solid security. I've never owned Apple before wednesday, but based on the fundamentals, the dip on wednesday seemed like a good opportunity for someone to get in at a slight discount. They could flip it short term and take 5% or hold and reap a nice long term gain. If you want to avoid investing in stocks, thats fine by me- just know that on average the stock market always outpaces every other type of investment out there. Making sensible buys and holding them for the long (or short) term will pay off.

Depends on your entry and exit point. Anyone who got in right before the 2000 dotcom, and 2008 crashes is crying their eyes out right now.

Yes, I'm saying that Long Term Buy and Hold strategies have not worked for the last 12 years and may not for another 5-7 years (according to Louise Yamada).

I made a little over a 60% return on my investments from Oct 2010-April 2011. Since then, it's been a paltry 14% (considering a large portion of my holdings are in precious metals, it wasn't a very good few months). Many could have and have done better than me in the last 10 months. It's easy to feel like a bloody genius in a bull market. Personally, I'm glad that I didn't lose much money in the mini-collapse this month.

mustardayonnais, nice 5% gain. Cash out and live to trade another day.

mustardayonnais 08-25-2011 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lovelyssm (Post 42218489)
Depends on your entry and exit point. Anyone who got in right before the 2000 dotcom, and 2008 crashes is crying their eyes out right now.

Yes, I'm saying that Long Term Buy and Hold strategies have not worked for the last 12 years and may not for another 5-7 years (according to Louise Yamada).
.

It doesn't just depend on your entry and exit point. Essentially you're talking about timing the market, which, as most of us know, is tough to do unless you work on the floor of an exchange. It depends on what you buy as well. If you were buying nothing but techs in 2000 or financials in 2008- well then, yeah, your goose would be cooked. But if you have a fairly balanced portfolio you probably would've taken a hit but you definitely wouldn't be in the poor house.

Generally I don't aspire to huge quickie gains- 60% is a great return, so congrats on that. But over time I'd be perfectly happy with 14%. Compounded annually on an intelligently allocated portfolio would put you in great financial stead when it came time to help out with your kid's tuition or retire.

lovelyssm 08-25-2011 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mustardayonnais (Post 42219515)
It doesn't just depend on your entry and exit point. Essentially you're talking about timing the market, which, as most of us know, is tough to do unless you work on the floor of an exchange. It depends on what you buy as well. If you were buying nothing but techs in 2000 or financials in 2008- well then, yeah, your goose would be cooked. But if you have a fairly balanced portfolio you probably would've taken a hit but you definitely wouldn't be in the poor house.

Generally I don't aspire to huge quickie gains- 60% is a great return, so congrats on that. But over time I'd be perfectly happy with 14%. Compounded annually on an intelligently allocated portfolio would put you in great financial stead when it came time to help out with your kid's tuition or retire.

That's my argument, the 60% gain (pre-tax) was more to do with riding a bull market on the way up and luckily cashing out many of my stocks at the right time....nothing to do with brilliant timing, just luck. Then I put a lot more of my money in precious metals, while investing in TEPCO after the Japanese market crash, but still lost a bunch in tech stocks. Was it a high risk portfolio? It depends, I knew where I was putting my money and why. I'd rather pick 3-4 stocks I know really well instead of purchasing 15-20 of ones I don't. It's a strategy I would not recommend someone building a nest egg for retirement or a college fund.

Either way, my point is mustardayonnais that the market has not been good over the last 10 years for the average Joe, unless you timed the market (accidentally or not). I know the virtues of long term buy and hold, it just has not been a good strategy over the last 12 years (unless you made some stellar picks like AAPL). Look at bellwether investments like CSCO, INTC, MSFT, JNJ, DOW, GS and the rest of the financial industry. The trade of this past decade was gold.

If you've done well, then you made some good picks.

barnz008 08-26-2011 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mustardayonnais (Post 42219515)
Generally I don't aspire to huge quickie gains- 60% is a great return, so congrats on that. But over time I'd be perfectly happy with 14%.

Depends on your risk tolerance, but I agree.

Rather than % annualized, I personally look at doubling time. At 14%, for ex, the doubling time would be 5 years. Say you picked AAPL at it's peak of $200 in late 2007 and held till it doubled 3.5 years later ($400), then you're at 20% annualized. Is this acceptable for the risk and time? Can you resist puking if it drops in half over a year (like it did)?

IME this is a better way to look at an acceptable return as the priority; price comes in next. It also reduces "fishing" for deals.

cavan 08-28-2011 11:19 AM

i think apple is over valued,any one can make phones ,tablets computers,there is a glut of all 3
itunes could make money but most people download music free,smart phones will kill mp3 and tablet sales,who wants a big expensive underpowered tablet when you can use a phone to do same job,apple is now trying to kill others buy buyying or patenting as much as they can to keep others out
this shows they are in trouble as they cant invent a new product,they cancelled ipad3 launch,my guess is they cant sell ipad 2,

sd99 08-28-2011 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cavan (Post 42310503)
i think apple is over valued,any one can make phones ,tablets computers,there is a glut of all 3
itunes could make money but most people download music free,smart phones will kill mp3 and tablet sales,who wants a big expensive underpowered tablet when you can use a phone to do same job,apple is now trying to kill others buy buyying or patenting as much as they can to keep others out
this shows they are in trouble as they cant invent a new product,they cancelled ipad3 launch,my guess is they cant sell ipad 2,

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

iTunes was never designed to make a profit. The revenue AAPL takes in is just enough to cover the costs of running the iTunes store and paying the record companies. It's the opposite of the razor industry, they're giving away the blades to help sell the razors.

They have no competition in the high-end ($1000+) computer market (91% market share according to NPD), and Mac sales growth has outpaced PC growth every quarter for 20+ straight quarters.

They can't sell iPad 2? :lol: That doesn't even deserve a response.

cavan 08-28-2011 01:31 PM

you qoting 2009 figures ,45 percent of apples profit is iphone sales,it does not have 4g phone out yet
if they dont bring out 4g this october they wll lose market share,if tmobile and att join apple will have to sell phones to them cheaper -phones are getting cheapersoon you will be able to buy a smartphone with no contract for 100 dollars apples 500 dollar phone will not cut itthey cancelled ipad3 as it was stopping ipad 2 sales hp 99 dollar tablet sell off will hurt ipad sales,who wants to carry around heavy tablet when phone can do same job you can buy a notebook for 250 dollars now which will affect apples 1000 dollar notebook price,in reports it says apple has 10 percent of computer market but they include ipad sales,most people who want a smart phone or tablet have already got one,so they will wait to buy a new one for 2-3 years,as for itouch sales they stopped last year,costco dumped it,other retailers had most left on shelf last christmas apple sells a commodity you will see apple falter once the iphone 5 comes out, you will see apple shares stagnate just like microsoft and intel,computers phones and tablets are getting cheaper,apple does not even appear at its trade shows any more san francisco macworld gets smaller each year

sd99 08-28-2011 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cavan (Post 42313308)
you qoting 2009 figures ,45 percent of apples profit is iphone sales,it does not have 4g phone out yet
if they dont bring out 4g this october they wll lose market share,if tmobile and att join apple will have to sell phones to them cheaper -phones are getting cheapersoon you will be able to buy a smartphone with no contract for 100 dollars apples 500 dollar phone will not cut itthey cancelled ipad3 as it was stopping ipad 2 sales hp 99 dollar tablet sell off will hurt ipad sales,who wants to carry around heavy tablet when phone can do same job you can buy a notebook for 250 dollars now which will affect apples 1000 dollar notebook price,in reports it says apple has 10 percent of computer market but they include ipad sales,most people who want a smart phone or tablet have already got one,so they will wait to buy a new one for 2-3 years,as for itouch sales they stopped last year,costco dumped it,other retailers had most left on shelf last christmas apple sells a commodity you will see apple falter once the iphone 5 comes out, you will see apple shares stagnate just like microsoft and intel,computers phones and tablets are getting cheaper,apple does not even appear at its trade shows any more san francisco macworld gets smaller each year

That is one long sentence. Amazing. Why don't you short AAPL, since they're obviously destined for failure?

Lopportunity 08-28-2011 08:45 PM

4 years from now Apple will be far less than what it's worth today. When everyone has a smartphone and tablet that they are content with, no blanket marketing campaigns, no special buzz words like retina display, unibody, apps, etc will save Apple. Sooner or later they will need to accept that they can't just sell stuff to millions of people for 60% profit forever based on the above I just mentioned. Eventually they will need to actually innovate... like actually contribute inventions to the technological community consistently, and not buy these innovations from other companies and put them in their products, then call it magical and sue them right back, because that is exactly what Apple has been doing for the past few years. Best case scenario for them is that they end up like Porsche, retaining a small but profitable marketshare while keeping their core customers.

PiratesSayARRR 08-29-2011 10:48 AM

I love all these would be analysts in this thread it is hilarious.

mohater 08-29-2011 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PiratesSayARRR (Post 42337456)
I love all these would be analysts in this thread it is hilarious.


It's the internets, everyone knows everything

Joe2836 08-30-2011 10:52 AM

Apple did seem to take off when Jobs came back to Apple.

PiratesSayARRR 08-30-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe2836 (Post 42375910)
Apple did seem to take off when Jobs came back to Apple.

Ya I would say a 6,673% increase in stock price seems to suggest that.

mustardayonnais 08-30-2011 12:40 PM

this discussion is fascinating but just for a moment i'd like to remind everyone that aapl is up at least 10% since when I started this thread. so i want to apologize to everyone for my terrible advice. had you followed it, you might actually be wealthier than you were last tuesday. tragic.

kyotuosa 09-03-2011 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mustardayonnais (Post 42381158)
this discussion is fascinating but just for a moment i'd like to remind everyone that aapl is up at least 10% since when I started this thread. so i want to apologize to everyone for my terrible advice. had you followed it, you might actually be wealthier than you were last tuesday. tragic.

lets see if it stays that way on Tuesday. :shake:

WildChickenDanc 09-04-2011 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kyotuosa (Post 42557188)
lets see if it stays that way on Tuesday. :shake:

Are you a permabear

mustardayonnais 09-04-2011 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kyotuosa (Post 42557188)
lets see if it stays that way on Tuesday. :shake:

it's already down to 370ish, but i unloaded it at the time I posted that last message, so i got ~9% return in a week's time. not too shabby.

mistry3 03-14-2012 09:51 PM

This is a very funny thread to read 6 months later with AAPL approaching 600

sd99 03-15-2012 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cavan (Post 42313308)
you qoting 2009 figures ,45 percent of apples profit is iphone sales,it does not have 4g phone out yet
if they dont bring out 4g this october they wll lose market share,if tmobile and att join apple will have to sell phones to them cheaper -phones are getting cheapersoon you will be able to buy a smartphone with no contract for 100 dollars apples 500 dollar phone will not cut itthey cancelled ipad3 as it was stopping ipad 2 sales hp 99 dollar tablet sell off will hurt ipad sales,who wants to carry around heavy tablet when phone can do same job you can buy a notebook for 250 dollars now which will affect apples 1000 dollar notebook price,in reports it says apple has 10 percent of computer market but they include ipad sales,most people who want a smart phone or tablet have already got one,so they will wait to buy a new one for 2-3 years,as for itouch sales they stopped last year,costco dumped it,other retailers had most left on shelf last christmas apple sells a commodity you will see apple falter once the iphone 5 comes out, you will see apple shares stagnate just like microsoft and intel,computers phones and tablets are getting cheaper,apple does not even appear at its trade shows any more san francisco macworld gets smaller each year

Good thing cavan doesn't manage my portfolio. Up over $20k on AAPL since this post:whistlin:

drunk@bar 03-15-2012 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mistry3 (Post 48469760)
This is a very funny thread to read 6 months later with AAPL approaching 600

I remember watching Forest Gump in 1994 and that is what they invested in to make their money. At that time the stock was 8.42

1stBuy 03-15-2012 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mustardayonnais (Post 42558692)
it's already down to 370ish, but i unloaded it at the time I posted that last message, so i got ~9% return in a week's time. not too shabby.

Man...were you wrong or what? :lmao:

vaultaddict 03-15-2012 06:14 PM

I came so fracking close....

Chickenshite

Inpact 03-16-2012 11:10 PM

I'd rather buy a new iPad than a share of Apple stock.

barnz008 03-17-2012 01:41 PM

AAPL monthly since 2003. When any stock leaves it's long term trend channel, you might take caution for an angry bear attack on weakness as it tends to revert back to it (see 2008).

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...t25355PM-1.png

Same thing happened to GOOG in late 2007. It eventually gave back more than 75% of it's gains from run up to blow off top.

Might be a good buy at $400 if it gets slammed hard and gets extremely oversold. No way I'd touch it now, but WTFDIK?

stevenq 03-18-2012 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by barnz008 (Post 48538932)
AAPL monthly since 2003. When any stock leaves it's long term trend channel, you might take caution for an angry bear attack on weakness as it tends to revert back to it (see 2008).

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...t25355PM-1.png

Same thing happened to GOOG in late 2007. It eventually gave back more than 75% of it's gains from run up to blow off top.

Might be a good buy at $400 if it gets slammed hard and gets extremely oversold. No way I'd touch it now, but WTFDIK?

It's at $585/share today with a PE ratio of 16.6. It's the PE ratio that's surprising to me because the price actually doesn't look so bad as long as the company is making money. A company that truly embodies the spirit of the dragon. They've seen the lowest of the lows, almost going out of business in 1996. Now the most valuable company in the world, amazing.

I bought 8 shares 6 months ago and I'm up about $1,300, haha. Would I buy more shares? I would definitely consider it. Like I said, the price actually doesn't look so scary when you look at the money they are pulling in. I agree the chart looks scary because it's going straight up, but the profits are going right along with it. If the price were going out of control from speculation that would be one thing, but it's not.

I think the profits will stay at a high level for a while. When the iPhone 3 comes out later this year, it will help sustain the price or even drive it. I'm trying to buy a house now and every freaking agent I've met has an iPhone. They love those things. Every girl I know wants an iPhone.

steventruong 03-18-2012 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by stevenq (Post 48548104)
when the iphone 3 new iphone comes out later this year

FTFY ;)

You must have confused it with the iPad

barnz008 03-18-2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stevenq (Post 48548104)
the price actually doesn't look so scary when you look at the money they are pulling in. I agree the chart looks scary because it's going straight up, but the profits are going right along with it. If the price were going out of control from speculation that would be one thing, but it's not.

No, the price DOES look scary with retail piling in. Retail participation drives bubbles and they're always late to the party and always have it wrong. There are hundreds if not thousands of examples of this.

When you have a single company stock responsible for driving entire indicies, it never ends well.

I'm not debating whether it's worth the price or not, I'm simply pointing out based on price action alone that those that ignore history are condemned to repeat it.

par41287 03-19-2012 05:55 AM

http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/1...gram-2012/

I am a noob at stocks and just want some answers to my curiosity. So if a company repurchases stocks does the price rise since there are less amount of stocks that are out there? Or will it stay the same?

PiratePenguin 03-19-2012 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by par41287 (Post 48569830)
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/1...gram-2012/

I am a noob at stocks and just want some answers to my curiosity. So if a company repurchases stocks does the price rise since there are less amount of stocks that are out there? Or will it stay the same?

The amount they are buying will not cause a shortage. If anything it will help keep the stock at the current price for a bit longer. I suspect it to fall to about 4-500 by years end.

steventruong 03-19-2012 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nizzy1115 (Post 48571524)
I suspect it to fall to about 4-500 by years end.

Disagree. I think it'll go towards $700+

barnz008 03-19-2012 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nizzy1115 (Post 48571524)
The amount they are buying will not cause a shortage. If anything it will help keep the stock at the current price for a bit longer. I suspect it to fall to about 4-500 by years end.

Lemme guess, you don't own it...
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Originally Posted by steventruong (Post 48581258)
Disagree. I think it'll go towards $700+

But you do?

No one makes money in the stock market. :shake:

steventruong 03-19-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by barnz008 (Post 48581330)
No one makes money in the stock market. :shake:

Baloney!

PiratePenguin 03-19-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by barnz008 (Post 48581330)
Lemme guess, you don't own it...

I don't and I wouldn't...well except for my 401k has some investments in it, but that doesn't really count.

I think their problem is they dont have much in assets and way to much cash on hand. If and when the dollar falls they will be in a world of trouble.

Just my opinion and I don't clam to be an expert of any kind.

steventruong 03-19-2012 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nizzy1115 (Post 48581380)
I don't and I wouldn't...well except for my 401k has some investments in it, but that doesn't really count.

I think their problem is they dont have much in assets and way to much cash on hand. If and when the dollar falls they will be in a world of trouble.

Just my opinion and I don't clam to be an expert of any kind.

I think Apple has more value and assets than you think. As for the dollar falling as an argument, that's a hugely flawed logic. Majority of their "cash asset" is overseas, and most are in securities.

barnz008 03-28-2012 11:53 AM

Well, at least Tim Cook is buying the rally. Not. He's sold about a half million shares in the past couple of weeks.

http://www.finviz.com/insidertrad...6&tc=7&b=2

PiratesSayARRR 03-28-2012 01:20 PM

They were expiring...what did you want him to do not exercise??

Also where do you get 500,000 shares from??? It was 275K

sd99 03-28-2012 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by barnz008 (Post 48824476)
Well, at least Tim Cook is buying the rally. Not. He's sold about a half million shares in the past couple of weeks.

http://www.finviz.com/insidertrad...6&tc=7&b=2

Unless AAPL was trading under $150 in the past two weeks, I think the date range you're looking at is WAY off.

barnz008 03-28-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PiratesSayARRR (Post 48827136)
Also where do you get 500,000 shares from??? It was 275K

You're right, my bad. Took a quick look without pulling each file.

Point is retail is piling in and insiders are selling. Err wait, is that a point? :D

PiratesSayARRR 03-28-2012 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by barnz008 (Post 48833766)
You're right, my bad. Took a quick look without pulling each file.

Point is retail is piling in and insiders are selling. Err wait, is that a point? :D

Ya but those options were expiring. The 200K he sold was granted in 08. The others were 2010.

xchangz 03-30-2012 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PiratesSayARRR (Post 48840232)
Ya but those options were expiring. The 200K he sold was granted in 08. The others were 2010.

order flow data suggests that apple is going to keep going up. there is still a buyer out there who has not executed all his trades and he has been pushing apple up like crazy. a few days ago, he was met with a small resistance at 600 when a person put in a huge limit order at 600 pushing it down but the guy ate through that liquidity and it went up again. apple is going to end the year high but not because of any of the bs reasons you guys are putting up.. p/e is a signal for non-traders...


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