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Artmasterx 10-26-2011 07:22 AM

HP notebook dm1z dm1-4050us (11.6") sandy bridge i3-2367m from Microcenter $599+SH AR (online)
 
It is still a little bit expensive, but I figured this would at least alert some of you guys to its presence... This is a direct competitor to the Samsung Series 3 Princeton, but should have much better battery life. It's always good to have another sandy bridge competitor in the sub-12" notebook category.

HP has just recently released a version of the dm1z notebook with a Sandy Bridge core i3-2367m processor. Curiously, it isn't available for purchase on HP.com, but they do have it is the support/drivers section [hp.com].

Microcenter HP dm1-4050us [microcenter.com]
$650 - $50 rebate + S/H = ~$620

Specs
Intel® Core™ i3-2367M
4GB DDR3 SDRAM
500GB 5,400RPM Hard Drive
11.6" HD BrightView LED-backlit Display
SuperMulti DVD Burner (probably an error, I'm pretty sure it doesn't have this, unless they include an external one)
Digital Media Card Reader
Intel® HD Graphics 3000
10/100/1000 Network
802.11b/g/n Wireless
Bluetooth
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit)


This should be about 2.5x better in CPU capability and equal or slightly better in terms of graphics when compared to the E-450 model.

The processor is a i3-2367M (1.4 GHz), which a slightly better version of the 2357M (1.3 GHz). The new proc has the same graphics base speed, but can turbo to 1GHz instead of 950 MHz... so basically the same.

I don't see any benchmarks on the proc yet, but the 2357M benchmarks are here (expect the 2367M to be maybe 5% better):

CPU:
E-450: 758
i3-2357M: 1723

GPU (3D Mark 06 1280x1024):
E-450: 2402
i3-2357M: 2756

GPU (3D Mark Vantage):
E-450: 913
i3-2357M: 927

thegreatfixer 10-26-2011 07:50 AM

up till now anything in a netbook form factor was cheap so now they take a netbook and add a decent cpu this lets them overcharge ??

wait maybe its not a netbook
Specs:....
"SuperMulti DVD Burner"

Artmasterx 10-26-2011 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegreatfixer (Post 44140068)
up till now anything in a netbook form factor was cheap so now they take a netbook and add a decent cpu this lets them overcharge ??

wait maybe its not a netbook
Specs:....
"SuperMulti DVD Burner"

That's surely an error... unless they include an external one. I'll make a note in the original post.

compguy 10-26-2011 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegreatfixer (Post 44140068)
up till now anything in a netbook form factor was cheap so now they take a netbook and add a decent cpu this lets them overcharge ??

wait maybe its not a netbook
Specs:....
"SuperMulti DVD Burner"


It actually costs them more to make things small because of all the thermal management and structural design etc.. Netbooks manage it cheaply by using quite old tech parts (atom has usually been equivalent to a p3 or something like that). You increase specs, it becomes a more complicated to fit everything in while keeping everything working right (esp. overtime avoiding overheating etc..). There's a reason you don't see a quad core 2g sandbridge in an ultraportable (or at least not in one that's not super expensive).


All that said, this should be cheaper since it's only an i3. Fab processes have improved and decent ultraportables are coming down in price from what they used to be.

thegreatfixer 10-26-2011 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artmasterx (Post 44140216)
That's surely an error... unless they include an external one. I'll make a note in the original post.

yes it must be an error based on the pics from Cnet [cnet.com] like the OP added unless Microcenter is throwing in a USB drive

BTW it hurts me to have to send SDers to Cnet for anything IMO they are the worst review site I AM JUST SAYING

thegreatfixer 10-26-2011 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compguy (Post 44140348)
It actually costs them more to make things small because of all the thermal management and structural design etc.. Netbooks manage it cheaply by using quite old tech parts (atom has usually been equivalent to a p3 or something like that). You increase specs, it becomes a more complicated to fit everything in while keeping everything working right (esp. overtime avoiding overheating etc..). There's a reason you don't see a quad core 2g sandbridge in an ultraportable (or at least not in one that's not super expensive).


All that said, this should be cheaper since it's only an i3. Fab processes have improved and decent ultraportables are coming down in price from what they used to be.

i tend to agree with you i am a IBM Fanboy and love the X line i have 3 of them
but IBM built the X line from the ground up and developed a solid small notebook

i am afraid that all HP is doing is taking their existing netbook line and throwing in a HOT chip without the development (kind of like putting a V8 in a Pinto anyone remember those:))

mwgrad 10-26-2011 08:49 AM

I'm not buying the Engineering/Component Cost for the Difference.

The Low Power Sandy Bridge has a TDP (17w) that is 8w higher, which should not be immensely difficult to account for in cooling.

If we were talking about the Alienware 11" which includes a Dedicated Nvidia 540M whith a TDP of 35w, then it may be an issue. However, 17w of power should not be difficult to cool. And certainly not more expensive than the cost of the larger LCD, Larger Battery and other materials to make a larger laptop.

Intel likely overcharges for the chip, though it is not any different than the standard chips beyond having lower default GPU/CPU speeds which allow for lower voltage. Heck, Intel could even use Failed Chips that could not operate at normal speeds to fill their quota.

Economies of Scale and limited market competition in this small market segment are likely the bigger issues.

thegreatfixer 10-26-2011 08:58 AM

hey theHP Pavilion dm1z Ultraportable 11.6" Laptop, AMD E-450, 4GB DDR3, 250GB 7200RPM HDD, Win 7 Premium, Bluetooth, HDMI $353.99 is still on sale
i think its the same netbook core with a AMD CPU (BTW the E 450 is kinda nice)
and its about $250 less

mwgrad 10-26-2011 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegreatfixer (Post 44142518)
hey theHP Pavilion dm1z Ultraportable 11.6" Laptop, AMD E-450, 4GB DDR3, 250GB 7200RPM HDD, Win 7 Premium, Bluetooth, HDMI $353.99 is still on sale
i think its the same netbook core with a AMD CPU (BTW the E 450 is kinda nice)
and its about $250 less

That is a deal I would more likely jump on.

The need for the extra processing power of the Sandy Bridge is likely not required and especially at almost twice the price. If you were doing work that really needed more power, it may be best to try and live with a 14" laptop that had a normal speed SB CPU.

The person would really need a 12" laptop and not a 13.3" or 14" and would need more power than provided by the AMD but not as much in standard power SB.

I'm sure such ppl exist who have a very narrow set of requirements or for whatever reason just do not care about price. (Company will buy or loads of spare change.)

MacFrugal 10-26-2011 10:27 AM

Apart from the bigger battery, how does this compare to the Samsung Princeton?

hirschma 10-26-2011 10:29 AM

This is about the same money as what I paid for my Lenovo x220. The x220 with 9-cell battery weighs the same, and has battery life of 12+ hours (for real!). It has a better processor, 12.5" screen, remarkable keyboard, etc. etc. Oh, and it has the super-special IPS display, too.

In short, this is an odd duck that's a questionable value. I'd be interested for up to $450.

thegreatfixer 10-26-2011 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hirschma (Post 44145378)
This is about the same money as what I paid for my Lenovo x220. The x220 with 9-cell battery weighs the same, and has battery life of 12+ hours (for real!). It has a better processor, 12.5" screen, remarkable keyboard, etc. etc. Oh, and it has the super-special IPS display, too.

In short, this is an odd duck that's a questionable value. I'd be interested for up to $450.

you got a good deal
i totally agree with you on the X220 its money better spent
i hope to get a X220 soon i love my X60 and my X20 still works

guessed 10-26-2011 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacFrugal (Post 44145296)
Apart from the bigger battery, how does this compare to the Samsung Princeton?

Pros of this one vs. Samsung Princeton (from earlier Staples deal):
Slightly faster processor
Larger capacity hard drive (500 vs. 320)
Larger capacity battery

Cons:
No Office Key (resellable, I think, I haven't sold mine yet)
About .69 lbs heavier
About $250 more (yes, I realize that deal is no longer available)

If you got the Princeton from the Staples deal, I wouldn't even think about switching.

MacFrugal 10-26-2011 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guessed (Post 44146286)
Pros of this one vs. Samsung Princeton (from earlier Staples deal):
Slightly faster processor
Larger capacity hard drive (500 vs. 320)
Larger capacity battery

Cons:
No Office Key (resellable, I think, I haven't sold mine yet)
About .69 lbs heavier
About $250 more (yes, I realize that deal is no longer available)

If you got the Princeton from the Staples deal, I wouldn't even think about switching.


Thanks for the info. I got the Princeton for about $325 + tax. It's still in the box - I need to run it to make sure it works before my return period is up.

guessed 10-26-2011 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacFrugal (Post 44146706)
Thanks for the info. I got the Princeton for about $325 + tax. It's still in the box - I need to run it to make sure it works before my return period is up.

I hope it works for you. I'm loving mine so far, although I haven't really put it through its paces yet. It wakes from sleep in seconds, which is important for me. The $150 netbook that it is replacing would take minutes before it became responsive enough to do anything (load web pages, pull up something in iTunes). So far I have only used it plugged in, so I can't speak for the battery life.

hirschma 10-26-2011 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegreatfixer (Post 44145878)
you got a good deal
i totally agree with you on the X220 its money better spent
i hope to get a X220 soon i love my X60 and my X20 still works

I got the following for around $600 thanks to slickdeals:

2.3GHz i5-2410M proc
No operating system
12.5 IPS screen
4 gig RAM
320 GB HD
9 cell battery
1 year onsite warranty

Admittedly, it was truly a super-duper deal at the time, but it puts the ultimate value of this deal into stark relief. And it is a pretty great, although not perfect, machine.

margetts 10-28-2011 11:16 AM

The dm1-4050us is now available at the HP Home & Office Store [hp.com] for $599.99.

kidjolly 11-01-2011 12:20 AM

Go for the princeton.

cheeriosk 11-17-2011 07:30 AM

Does anyone know how the dm1-4050us performs on benchmarks (e.g. PCMark Vantage)? I can't find any online and was wondering if the performance is significantly better than dm1-4010us or if the difference is not worth paying $200 extra.

yadismastu 11-17-2011 08:10 AM

HP Pavilion dm1-4050us Notebook PC, charcoal

EPP_00_A0X24UA#ABA

This ships free Free standard shipping on this item



Price: $649.99
Discount: -$26.00
EPP Price: $623.99
Laptop instant rebate: –$50.00
Price after savings: $573.99

What I am seeing on the HP website with EPP savings.


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