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Jo0k 08-26-2012 06:54 PM

for 8/27..256GB OCZ agility 4 SSD $129.99 after $20 mirebate ships Free
 
for 8/27 from newegg


256gb ocz agility 4 ssd

put this code in
EMCYTZT2126

$20.00 mirebate

final price before taxes is $129.99 ships free

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Pro...6820227808

K6-2 08-26-2012 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jo0k (Post 52760494)
for 8/27...

Use this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227808

Infotiger 08-26-2012 07:06 PM

Whats jdoqocy click 4485850 10440897?

poetuan 08-26-2012 07:08 PM

Been dropping $10 each week. Great price if u need one now. But the ocz haters will fill this thread...never fails

homersapien 08-26-2012 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poetuan (Post 52760682)
Been dropping $10 each week. Great price if u need one now. But the ocz haters will fill this thread...never fails

Look at the Newegg reviews. There are good reasons to avoid some of the OCZ drives.

josephjpeters 08-26-2012 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poetuan (Post 52760682)
Been dropping $10 each week. Great price if u need one now. But the ocz haters will fill this thread...never fails

lol so true. My drives have been great.

This is a great deal for a higher capacity SSD.

docnas 08-26-2012 07:45 PM

Im not a hater but the fact that there are so many bad review past and current is scary specially considering this usually would be an OS drive which tends to have most of your current data on it.

Is there anyway to mirror this to a partition on a mechanical drive? such that you always have a backup incase of a worst case scenario?

poetuan 08-26-2012 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by docnas (Post 52761162)
Im not a hater but the fact that there are so many bad review past and current is scary specially considering this usually would be an OS drive which tends to have most of your current data on it.

Is there anyway to mirror this to a partition on a mechanical drive? such that you always have a backup incase of a worst case scenario?

Understood that's why I went with past experience which is good for me...use windows backup and this goes for any ssd just more so with OCZ i guess

USCsteveO 08-26-2012 07:55 PM

Vertex are better
 
Great price, tho the Plaxor is coming in with best quality for the $0.50/Gb Sata6 drives. The vertex model outperforms agility always.

shanmugam 08-26-2012 07:57 PM

hmmm, reviews does not look good ...

larry1162 08-26-2012 08:00 PM

I have this drive. I'm an average when it comes to tech, and I found it a really frustrating and lengthy process to get this SSD working. The computer wouldn't recognize the drive until I updated the firmware. That would have been fine except the firmware update process was unbelievably lengthy and unnecessarily complicated.

I don't have any other experience with OCZ, but for me this was enough.

by the way, I installed two different drives from other manufacturers in two other laptop computers with absolutely no problems. I don't know if it's the firmware or what, but the other thing is this drive seems slower. It's SSD so it's still fast enough for my purposes, but I find it a tad slower than the other two.

trza 08-26-2012 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by docnas (Post 52761162)
Im not a hater but the fact that there are so many bad review past and current is scary specially considering this usually would be an OS drive which tends to have most of your current data on it.

Is there anyway to mirror this to a partition on a mechanical drive? such that you always have a backup incase of a worst case scenario?

You could use the backup features of Windows 7 Enterprise. Or sync your important files to just about any NAS.

Runamok81 08-26-2012 08:25 PM

In b4 hate

Update: After learning this fact the hater-aid is more palatable.

quotidian 08-26-2012 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by docnas (Post 52761162)
Im not a hater but the fact that there are so many bad review past and current is scary specially considering this usually would be an OS drive which tends to have most of your current data on it.

Is there anyway to mirror this to a partition on a mechanical drive? such that you always have a backup incase of a worst case scenario?

You can also move My Documents (and My Music/etc...) to a mechanical drive. Just right click on My Documents, go to the location tab, and pick something on your mechanical drive. You should still do regular backups, but I've found a nice split is to keep my OS/Programs on an SSD and my data on a mechanical drive.

rock304 08-26-2012 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trza (Post 52761394)
You could use the backup features of Windows 7 Enterprise. Or sync your important files to just about any NAS.

http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx

viperdealer 08-26-2012 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jo0k (Post 52760494)
for 8/27 from newegg


256gb ocz agility 4 ssd

put this code in
EMCYTZT2126

$20.00 mirebate

final price before taxes is $129.99 ships free

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Pro...6820227808

Good price....but reviews make it look like a bad drive. Especially for those people with Macs

poetuan 08-26-2012 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shanmugam (Post 52761334)
hmmm, reviews does not look good ...

I've read a lot of review sites and I don't think I've seen them mentioning their test ssd failing in the first 5 hour much less 5 or 10 mins like the reviews on newegg stated. That makes me think it's probably user error or the test sites are just some lucky SOB. :lmao::lmao:

blitzdonner 08-26-2012 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by homersapien (Post 52760734)
Look at the Newegg reviews. There are good reasons to avoid some of the OCZ drives.

Here are some data from a French retailer. A drive needs at least 100 sales to be present in the data. A brand needs at least 500 sales to be present. The products sold between April 1st and October 1st 2011 for returns made before April 2012, namely after between 6 months and a year of use.

- Crucial 0.82% (as against 0.8%)
- Intel 1.73% (as against 0.1%)
- Corsair 2.93% (as against 2.9%)
- OCZ 7.03% (as against 4.2%)

Crucial has taken top spot from Intel thanks to a notable increase in Intel’s returns rate. We should say that this time, the Intel sample is only just above the minimum required and that some of the Intel returns are linked to the 8MB bug which has since been resolved. The OCZ rate has got a lot worse, going up to 7%, and only OCZ has models with rates of above 5%:

- 15.58% OCZ Vertex 2 Series SSD 240 GB
- 13.28% OCZ Vertex 2 Series SSD 160 GB
- 11.76% OCZ Vertex 2 Series SSD 80 GB
- 9.52% OCZ Vertex 2 Series SSD 120 GB
- 8.57% OCZ Vertex 3 Series 120 GB
- 7.49% OCZ Vertex 2 Series SSD 60 GB
- 6.61% OCZ Vertex 2 Series 3.5" SSD 120 GB
- 6.37% OCZ Vertex 3 Series 240 GB
- 6.37% OCZ Agility 3 60 GB
- 5.89% OCZ Vertex 2 Series SSD 100 GB

source of the data [behardware.com]

It's interesting to see Intel jumped big time, from 0.1% return to 1.7% return, a stunning 17X increase. Although the author speculate it's probably the 8MB bug, which makes sense (and makes me wonder how bad SF controller is, even Intel with customization couldn't escape problems)

This, combined with newegg review, you can draw your own conclusions.

For what it's worth. I have a Hitachi travelstar 7200 RPM drive, my travelstar isn't on the top 9 of most returned mechanical HDD, although Hitachi suffers from a stunning 3.95% return overall. My travelstar is still going strong.

Data and newegg reviews are simply samples. You can treat it as probability, statistics, even OCZ vertex2 with 15% return, meaning approximately 1 out of 6 OCZ Vertex2 240GB sold will be returned still means about 85% of the time the drive is fine, not returned back to retailer.

It's your call, OCZ really does suffer higher than other vendor return and more than other brand's SSD in terms of getting bad reviews on newegg.

Agility 4 is too new to have any return data that I can find. In a few months, perhaps we'll get an update on the return rate.

TidalWaveOne 08-26-2012 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poetuan (Post 52760682)
Been dropping $10 each week. Great price if u need one now. But the ocz haters will fill this thread...never fails

I don't hate OCZ... I just hate their crappy drives. :lol:

Should be getting my Samsung 830 soon.

Though I do have OCZ drives, and can't recall a failure... just a bunch of hassle trying to keep the firmware updated.

DMFD-Minister 08-26-2012 08:58 PM

55% 1-egg reviews ... pass

iluvu4eternity 08-26-2012 09:05 PM

sweet just bought 3

shogun89 08-26-2012 09:11 PM

You'd think it mean something about OCZ SSDs since there is a deal every other day.

Kingcharming 08-26-2012 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shogun89 (Post 52762608)
You'd think it mean something about OCZ SSDs since there is a deal every other day.



^This.

Runamok81 08-26-2012 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blitzdonner (Post 52762220)
It's your call, OCZ really does suffer higher than other vendor return and more than other brand's SSD in terms of getting bad reviews on newegg.

Agility 4 is too new to have any return data that I can find. In a few months, perhaps we'll get an update on the return rate.

Until Intel fixed the firmware, most of the guys using Sandforce controllers had issues. I really wish there was some better reliability info about the Indillinx Everest 2 controller.

TidalWaveOne 08-26-2012 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMFD-Minister (Post 52762350)
55% 1-egg reviews ... pass

Ouch.

Injuis 08-26-2012 09:35 PM

Not too great of a reception on amazon either. 42 / 197 are 1 star

lucill22 08-26-2012 09:55 PM

With the great pricing that OCZ is using to dump Inventory we all wish they we more reliable.
If they were we would all be jumping on them, but the fact remains that they have proved to be the most unreliable Drives on the Market.
I had a bad expierence on all 5 Drive I bought for my Company.
It was a very costly mistake(installing Drive , OS & additional Programs from Disc,(With SSDs we do not use imaging software) remove, return, purchase new drives install OS from Disc and two of the Drives were @ a satellite location) and we are willing to pay the premium for reliability.
$40.00 more for a Crucial Samsung or Plextor is worth volumes to us.
If it's your own time and you can take the chance you may get lucky and get an OCZ Drive that really works.
We are not haters, we are just determining that the risk reward of buying OCZ is not worth it.
I hope those that do make a purchase get a reliable Drive.
FYI when they work they are some of the fastest Drives on the Market.

lucill22 08-26-2012 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by do cnas (Post 52761162)
I'm not a hater but the fact that there are so many bad review past and current is scary specially considering this usually would be an OS drive which tends to have most of your current data on it.

Is there anyway to mirror this to a partition on a mechanical drive? such that you always have a backup in case of a worst case scenario?

As long as you size the partition on the mechanical Drive to the size of the SSD you should be fine.
I would not use imaging software to install OS on the SSD.
For a better chance of trouble free service installing from Disc is recommended.
Even though most SSDs come with some type of imaging Software most experts recommend clean install from Disc.
When you encounter a BSOD problem with a SSD the first thing Tech Support for most Manufacturers is going to suggest is erasing & reinstall
from Disc. If you cannot find the Drive in the BIOS it is usually time to box it up and request an RMA.

damnrebates 08-26-2012 10:21 PM

Give me this drive for $20 then I'll think about using it for data that I don't care for...and even this isn't worth it. my time is worth much more than the potential hassles. I'd pay $40 more for sanity. :)

slapshot136 08-26-2012 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poetuan (Post 52762126)
or the test sites are just some lucky SOB. :lmao::lmao:

when they get a drive, they get a "cherry-picked" drive from the manufacture most of the time, instead of what can actually be bought at newegg/amazon/etc. that has been tested to be the cream of the crop drive (within that model ofc)

galets 08-26-2012 10:42 PM

That true this thing supports full disk encryption?.. How does that work - need BIOS to support this or something like that?

"Data Encryption: 256-bit AES-compliant, ATA Security Mode Features"

supercoolman 08-26-2012 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USCsteveO (Post 52761306)
Great price, tho the Plaxor is coming in with best quality for the $0.50/Gb Sata6 drives. The vertex model outperforms agility always.

the same OCZ Vertex 4 comes with different NAND flash and many sellers don't differentiate them. check thoroughly and make sure you are getting a deal, not a camouflaged OCZ SSD with cheap NAND

lowteckh 08-27-2012 12:41 AM

Not seeing a rebate. Newegg's rebate center only shows 2 rebates that have already ended.

Dwhizzle 08-27-2012 12:44 AM

Anyone have the link for the rebate? I dont see it on the site..

De-Cuss 08-27-2012 01:03 AM

OCZ Fragility ---->BSOD ---->stress---->RMA------>Denied----->regret----->Slamming OCZ into wall------>Buying a Samsung 830 series ---->never looking back.

Akarin 08-27-2012 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by De-Cuss (Post 52765536)
OCZ Fragility ---->BSOD ---->stress---->RMA------>Denied----->regret----->Slamming OCZ into wall------>Buying a Samsung 830 series ---->never looking back.

yes, and you already posted that before.
and we will say again.
why would your RMA be denied? multiple year warranty on these.

I own 4 SSD total
120gb OCZ vertex 2 plus
120gb corsair
512gb Crucial M4
1024gb (1tb) OCZ Octane
-------------------
no problem at all with any of them, two of them being OCZ

De-Cuss 08-27-2012 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akarin (Post 52765676)
yes, and you already posted that before.
and we will say again.
why would your RMA be denied? multiple year warranty on these.

Why waste time on RMA in the first place?

Akarin 08-27-2012 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by De-Cuss (Post 52765766)
Why waste time on RMA in the first place?

what makes you think it would require RMA?
I doubt 100% of the samsung SSD is perfect.

De-Cuss 08-27-2012 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akarin (Post 52765844)
what makes you think it would require RMA?
I doubt 100% of the samsung SSD is perfect.

Google why Samsung 830 , Plextor , sandisk extreme are far more stable than OCZ..Toggle semi conductor vs fast yet cheap unreliable Sandforce...btw you just got lucky with OCZ ,thats why they haven't failed...Don't need prayers and luck with Toggle..and Samsung goes even further by making there own semi conducters,no need for Toshiba ..that's even more confidence for buyers..

Akarin 08-27-2012 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by De-Cuss (Post 52766056)
Google why Samsung 830 , Plextor , sandisk extreme are far more stable than OCZ..Toggle semi conductor vs fast yet cheap unreliable Sandforce...btw you just got lucky with OCZ ,thats why they haven't failed...Don't need prayers and luck with Toggle..and Samsung goes even further by making there own semi conducters,no need for Toshiba ..that's even more confidence for buyers..

both my 120gb vertex plus R2 and 1tb ocz octane uses Indilinx controller made by company owned by ocz
but looks like agility 4 uses sandforce controllers

Icewind31 08-27-2012 05:35 AM

OCZ Agility 4 256GB SSD 129.99 after $20MIR AC 8/27
 
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OCZ Agility 4 256GB SSD.
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$40 off w/ promo code EMCYTZT2126, ends 8/2

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iviyth0s 08-27-2012 05:54 AM

Wish I could say "inb4 OCZ haters" but they're already here lol

Proud and happy OCZ user here.

Get it
Flash it
Love it

Cherub 08-27-2012 06:09 AM

Quote:

both my 120gb vertex plus R2 and 1tb ocz octane uses Indilinx controller made by company owned by ocz
but looks like agility 4 uses sandforce controllers
The Vertex Plus uses an Indilinx controller produced long before OCZ bought Indilinx. Agility 4 uses an OCZ-designed Indilinx controller with no connection to the original Indilinx drives.

sr71 08-27-2012 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by De-Cuss (Post 52766056)
Google why Samsung 830 , Plextor , sandisk extreme are far more stable than OCZ..Toggle semi conductor vs fast yet cheap unreliable Sandforce...btw you just got lucky with OCZ ,thats why they haven't failed...Don't need prayers and luck with Toggle..and Samsung goes even further by making there own semi conducters,no need for Toshiba ..that's even more confidence for buyers..

Check your facts Sandisk Extremes are reliable but use a SF controller. so OCZ failures are more a matter of bad FW and QC

wtechie 08-27-2012 07:55 AM

This might explain why quality control is so poor.

“I believe my only felony conviction was for trafficking in stolen property in exchange for marijuana,” - CEO of OCZ Ryan Petersen

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/201...ecord.html

blitzdonner 08-27-2012 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runamok81 (Post 52762804)
Until Intel fixed the firmware, most of the guys using Sandforce controllers had issues. I really wish there was some better reliability info about the Indillinx Everest 2 controller.

First of all, why Sandforce did not fix the issues themselves, or other firms working with Sandforce that fix the issues? Why does it have to be Intel fixed the firmware? That's really bothering me. It's like people playing the blame game, it's not my fault, it's not his fault, it's not her fault... I don't care whose fault it is, I'm a consumer, something is wrong, just fix it.

Second, there are other firms doing what OCZ is doing, buying flash memory, slap on a Sandforce controller, and sell it. Look, we don't have to look very far, in my previous post, I listed
- Corsair 2.93% (as against 2.9%)
- OCZ 7.03% (as against 4.2%)

I've seen Corsair's share of complaints, users on other forums complaining about Corsair not updating their firmware, etc. However, when you are confronted with some real data on returns, coupled with so much negative review on OCZ SSD in general, you can't just play the blame game, "it's not me" anymore. OCZ does seem to be different.

Also, in this thread, in this post, it was stated "Check your facts Sandisk Extremes are reliable but use a SF controller. so OCZ failures are more a matter of bad FW and QC "

Third, Agility/Vertex 4 series using Everest 2 uses Marvell silicon [anandtech.com].

In my one of my post in another thread, I said I'm willing to pay higher price for Intel/Crucial/Samsung/Plextor and followed closely with Sandisk/Mushkin/Kingston SSD. I also said OCZ will require discount price to entice me. It's simply my preference. For those who aren't concerned about potential problems of dealing with RMA, corrupt drive, etc. OCZ is a great fit, cheaper price, good performance and even on their worst return rate drive, you still have about 85% chance not having to RMA your Agility 2 drive within 1 year of purchase.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I believe this drive uses a rebranded Marvel silicon. Multiple review sites have provided information on this matter. If you look at the newegg's own IOP data and Read/Write, it's not a typical Sandforce 2281 controller result.

Support or hate OCZ is fine. I own some OCZ Ram that has been working flawlessly for many years. It saddens me to see OCZ's current SSD state. I'm stilling willing to purchase OCZ SSD, it's just after all the evidence I have seen, given the fact I can't afford to spend hours after hours of troubleshooting and frustration over a failed SSD/HDD, I can only justify purchase OCZ SSD if it has enough discount.

Again, this is just my preference, for people who are on a tight budget, who wants to jump into SSD market and who can afford the possible trouble down the road (let me remind people, it's possible, not certain, majority of OCZ drives seem to be fine), then OCZ is a pretty good choice.

Runamok81 08-27-2012 08:09 AM

2 Attachment(s)
Okay, here's the lowdown. This drive is a no go.

Here [tweaktown.com] is a recent (two weeks ago) review, from a professional review site, of Agility 4 with the newest firmware. Give it up to the boys at Tweaktown. They got 3 drives, one failed instantly. They investigated. They broke open the drives and noticed that two of the drives had flash chips made by Micron, and the other one had flash chips made by OCZ. Of the three, which one do you guys think failed? :D The problem is not Indilinx Everest 2 controller, it is the OCZ-binned flash chips. Found your problem! [imgur.com]

And to think... I almost let OCZ back into my heart. And what do we say to that OCZ salesman? Not today [quickmeme.com]!

Also, If your willing to RMA back for some Micron flavored flash, then that's your prerogative.
For those not wanting the risk.... You have been warned.

poetuan 08-27-2012 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wtechie (Post 52770254)
This might explain why quality control is so poor.

“I believe my only felony conviction was for trafficking in stolen property in exchange for marijuana,” - CEO of OCZ Ryan Petersen

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/201...ecord.html

Glycauma treatment isn't cheap..even for a CEO

sklar 08-27-2012 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucill22 (Post 52763264)
FYI when they work they are some of the fastest Drives on the Market.

They are until you fill the drive more than 50%, and it switches from performance mode to storage mode and the speed drops through the floor. Google it. Its true.

blitzdonner 08-27-2012 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runamok81 (Post 52770604)
Okay, here's the lowdown. This drive is a no go.

Here [tweaktown.com] is a recent (two weeks ago) review, from a professional review site, of Agility 4 with the newest firmware. Give it up to the boys at Tweaktown. They got 3 drives, one failed instantly. They investigated. They broke open the drives and noticed that some had flash chips made by Micron, some had flash chips made by OCZ. OCZ is now trying to slip in their own binned flash. The problem is not Indilinx Everest 2 controller, it is the OCZ-binned flash chips. Found your problem! [imgur.com]

And to think... I almost let OCZ back into my heart. And what do we say to that OCZ salesman? Not today [quickmeme.com]!

Also, If your willing to RMA back for some Micron flavored flash, then that's your prerogative.
For those not wanting the risk.... You have been warned.

Wow, that's an eye opener.

Purchase 3 drives from retail for review, 1 out of 3 failed? Instantly?

I guess if I do buy OCZ SSD, it has to be from local store, where I can go for instant exchange....even then, my god, think of all the hassles and backup your system is a must requirement, if you use an OCZ SSD :(

Someone pointed out earlier, review sites gets cherry picked sample....how true that is...

sklar 08-27-2012 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blitzdonner (Post 52770462)
First of all, why Sandforce did not fix the issues themselves, or other firms working with Sandforce that fix the issues? Why does it have to be Intel fixed the firmware? That's really bothering me. It's like people playing the blame game, it's not my fault, it's not his fault, it's not her fault... I don't care whose fault it is, I'm a consumer, something is wrong, just fix it.

Here's what happened. Sandforce released their firmware and many drive manufacturers like OCZ just slapped it on their drives and shipped it. Intel tested the product and found sata errors, performance issues, and drives eating their own data. So they acquired the firmware, tested their 520 drive on hundreds of machines in dozens of varying configurations for a year, fixed the firmware, and sandforce got back some (but perhaps not all) of the fixes and optimizations, which they then released back to other manufacturers later.

So you have one example of a very good manufacturer with low DOA rates that validation tests the product so their customers don't have to, and one that did none of that and let their customers shoulder the burden.

To be fair, samsung had some issues with the 830 and crucial with their m4 early on, but ssd's were expensive specialty items then so not many people experienced them. But at this point if you buy an ssd with a new controller and firmware (as is the case with the agility/vertex 4) you stand to have problems for the first six months until the firmware is shaken out.

As before, I advise waiting another couple of months on these drives until the twice monthly firmware updates slow down and hopefully stop. Unless you can shelve it for a while, buy something else. The prices on reliable drives aren't $50 more or 50% more as the strawmen posters claim, you can buy a nice drive with no problems for pennies more per GB and its worth it.

sklar 08-27-2012 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runamok81 (Post 52770604)
Okay, here's the lowdown. This drive is a no go.

Here [tweaktown.com] is a recent (two weeks ago) review, from a professional review site, of Agility 4 with the newest firmware. Give it up to the boys at Tweaktown. They got 3 drives, one failed instantly. They investigated. They broke open the drives and noticed that two of the drives had flash chips made by Micron, and the other one had flash chips made by OCZ. Of the three, which one do you guys think failed? :D The problem is not Indilinx Everest 2 controller, it is the OCZ-binned flash chips. Found your problem! [imgur.com]

And to think... I almost let OCZ back into my heart. And what do we say to that OCZ salesman? Not today [quickmeme.com]!

Also, If your willing to RMA back for some Micron flavored flash, then that's your prerogative.
For those not wanting the risk.... You have been warned.

Wow, just yesterday you were an ocz fanboy!

http://slickdeals.net/f/5099760-OCZ-Agility-4-128GB-54-99-AR-Free-Shipping-Amazon?p=52735610#post52735610

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runamok81 (Post 52735610)
There is ZERO evidence on any PROFESSIONAL review site stating that the Everest 2 Indilinx controller used in this product has reliability issues. None. I'm interested in blue links with hard evidence, not brand-hate induced extrapolations and conjecture from the statistics massaged out of the newegg reviews.


In fact, if there was an issues I would expect Anandtech to be all over it. Anantech.com are the guys that broke the news about OCZ to the world. They hawked over the OCZ reliability issues and took them to task for. Believe me, the if there were ANY issues the boys over at Anandtech.com would have let the world know. They are kool-aid free and hawking over OCZ.

Stop drinking the hater-aid and look at the product in question. Its been four months, do you think maybe its possible this product won't suffer the same fate as the 3 series?

So are you a troll or just a flip flopper?

Here's what tweaktown had to say, which is the same advice I gave yesterday that you poo-poo'd...

"Given what we think is going on and the Newegg data, you shouldn't buy an OCZ Agility 4 unless you are feeling lucky. If you are feeling that lucky take the money to Vegas, turn it into more money and then buy a proven SSD like the Vertex 4 or better yet a Vertex 3 that has already went through reliability issues and is now a reliable SSD. With that out of the way, we can say that the OCZ Agility 4 has a very low price point. OCZ did a really good job on the price. We've even heard from other manufacturers that OCZ is really disrupting their product releases and prices, shaving the margins to little slivers of profit. Other manufacturers are the only people who can complain about OCZ's pricing on the Agility 4.

Then there is the performance. In a single user environment where low queue depths make up the majority of the reads, this drive is, well... it's just pretty bad. The low 170MB/s limits imposed for a single read request is very low for a modern day SATA III SSD. In our testing we had the Agility 4 coming in behind an aging Vertex 2 in the real-world single user tasks. This is something that enthusiasts and power users will notice when trying to work with large files."

Hmm, unreliable and slow. Just what I want in a disk drive. :lol:

bc_boston 08-27-2012 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runamok81 (Post 52770604)
Okay, here's the lowdown. This drive is a no go.

Here [tweaktown.com] is a recent (two weeks ago) review, from a professional review site, of Agility 4 with the newest firmware. Give it up to the boys at Tweaktown. They got 3 drives, one failed instantly. They investigated. They broke open the drives and noticed that two of the drives had flash chips made by Micron, and the other one had flash chips made by OCZ. Of the three, which one do you guys think failed? :D The problem is not Indilinx Everest 2 controller, it is the OCZ-binned flash chips. Found your problem! [imgur.com]

And to think... I almost let OCZ back into my heart. And what do we say to that OCZ salesman? Not today [quickmeme.com]!

Also, If your willing to RMA back for some Micron flavored flash, then that's your prerogative.
For those not wanting the risk.... You have been warned.

Very good info. I tried an Agility once that was DOA and am very gun-shy on OCZ.

Runamok81 08-27-2012 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sklar (Post 52771616)
Wow, just yesterday you were an ocz fanboy!

Sklar, you're not happy with me when I am begging for empirical evidence OR when I find it myself. You're just plain not happy.

Your approach towards me is the same as your approach towards this product. Filled with bias, and unhelpful towards others. If you set down the hater-aid for a moment and read where you quoted me above, you will see that I stated that there is ZERO evidence against the controller. That is still true. And it's also a good example of how you are so anti-OCZ that it makes you look foolish. Are you not even the least bit ashamed of yourself? I have a long post history (just go look) searching for objective data on these drives. I wanted to be sure they weren't a timebomb, but I didn't want to hear if from some jerkoff who brough no FACTS to the table, he just burst into his threads looking like a flaming ass with no data, just his opinions. I repeatedly asked the thread for a professional review , because I wanted hard current evidence. You FAILED to provide that. When I showed any interest in questioning your data, you started calling me a "fanboi," because I wanted to make a decision based on facts. What a dick move.

I've never been an OCZ fan or h8r.I could care less about the brand. I wanted the product to stand on its own merits. I investigated the pros and cons of this product myself because I was considering buying it. Along the way, I had to put up with alot of static from both h8rs and fanbois alike. People that think like that (black or white) have more opinion than they have sense.

While your opinion may have turned out to be right (no thanks to your investigative skills) ,you are still a stupid ass. If you have anymore issues with me, keep it to a PM. We don't need anymore of your opinions.

wrapcity 08-27-2012 09:16 AM

prices are dropping a lot on SSD, going to wait it out a bit.

SaneLemming 08-27-2012 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sklar (Post 52771616)
Here's what tweaktown had to say, which is the same advice I gave yesterday that you poo-poo'd...

"Given what we think is going on and the Newegg data..."

So wait...is newegg releasing actual product sale/return data now, or are they actually calling voluntary product reviews (which can be left without actually buying the product) "data" that they're basing failure rates on? I'm not saying OCZ is the company of reliability, but using Newegg review percentages as the data source to model product reliability is one of the dumbest things I've read in a while...and I've been on the internet. Without even getting into the ability to leave reviews for the wrong product, multiple reviews, etc, you're dealing with a serious selection bias.

sklar 08-27-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SaneLemming (Post 52772580)
So wait...is newegg releasing actual product sale/return data now, or are they actually calling voluntary product reviews (which can be left without actually buying the product) "data" that they're basing failure rates on? I'm not saying OCZ is the company of reliability, but using Newegg review percentages as the data source to model product reliability is one of the dumbest things I've read in a while...and I've been on the internet. Without even getting into the ability to leave reviews for the wrong product, multiple reviews, etc, you're dealing with a serious selection bias.

I've been repped about 150 times for using this metric, but everyone has their own opinions. :lol:

I've looked at the ocz and other ssd reviews. No repeats, no wrong products, just 50-250 reviews where half of them say they had a serious problem with the product or services. Other SSD's dont have that.

So explain why some have 5-6% complaints and the ocz's stand alone with 20-55%+ bad reviews? Granted it aint scientific, but like most people I avoid products with hideous reviews and prefer ones with good reviews. While its just an indicator, it IS an indicator...and its not like we're splitting the difference between 5 and 7 percent.

Plus given the industry return info someone else posted, which has OCZ drives failing much more often, and the really specious "We bought 3 and 1 of them was bad" review also in this thread and it seems all the indicators point in the same direction.

Which is to say, you should buy something else. There are great drives selling for similar prices without rebates and other shenanigans. OCZ just puts a rebate on every product because then you can't return it to the retailer, and they want you to pay to ship their badly made product back to them for replacement with another used badly made product.

Yuck. Buy something else. If this was half the price of similar performing, much more reliable drives then maybe the really cheap people could give it a whirl and eat their mistake. But its not.:shake:


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