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Signoffandon 09-04-2012 11:00 AM

$449.99 Acer (AM3450-UR10P) Desktop PC w/ AMD FX-Series FX-8100(8-core), 6GB DDR3, 1TB HDD, Radeon HD 6450 1GB Graphics, Windows 7
 
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Acer (AM3450-UR10P) Desktop PC

AMD FX-Series FX-8100(2.8GHz)(8 Core CPU)
6GB DDR3
1TB HDD
Radeon HD 6450 1GB Graphics Card
Windows 7 Home Premium (upgradeable to Win8)
802.11b/g/n Wireless
1 VGA, 1 DVI, 1 HDMI

$449.99 + Free Shipping at Newegg.com
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Pro...83-103-411


the PSU (300W) and Graphics card is kind of weak and might need to be upgraded if you want to play the new games, but for the pirce for 8 core system, it's a good budget DT option.

wikipost 09-04-2012 11:00 AM

This post can and should be edited by users like you :)
 
Read the October 2011 Tomshardware review [tomshardware.com] of the faster FX-8150 processor and keep in mind that:
  • this FX-8100 will be about 25% slower
  • i5-2500K and i7-2600K are the previous generation Intel processors
  • most of you do NOT use the computer in a way to achieve "the very best-case scenario" the reviewer is mentioning
Quote:

So, let’s say someone puts Core i5-2500K and FX-8150 in front of you. The Core i5 costs $220 bucks, and the FX runs $245. Which one do you buy?

If it’s me, I’m going with the Core i5. I gave the -2500K a Tom’s Hardware Recommended Buy award back in January, and I stick by that recommendation almost a year later.

In the very best-case scenario, when you can throw a ton of work at the FX and fully utilize its eight integer cores, it generally falls in between Core i5-2500K and Core i7-2600K—which is where it should appear all of the time given a price tag between those two most relevant competitors. Sometimes FX manages to outperform the higher-end -2600K, but other times it’s embarrassingly bested by its predecessor in threaded workloads.

Toss a single-threaded app at the processor, though, and it underperforms Intel's three-year-old Core i7-920 running at its stock 2.66 GHz.
The above was true for a while but now the regular price for an AMD FX-8150 is $189(not the crazy $245) and the regular price for an Intel i5 2500K is $219(today it's on sale for $200 :) ). In my opinion, at their respective prices they are both priced fairly and competitively which in price/performance category makes them equal. If you remove the price point then the best CPU is easily the i5 2500K.

AMD really did themselves a disservice by overpricing this CPU at launch. At least 1/3 of the bad reviews were related to price.

thebeast1616 09-04-2012 10:12 PM

i guess this is ok... but u can get ivy bridge laptops for around 500 nowadays... just get one of those and plug in an external monitor and u get something thats just as fast with 2 screens and portability.

marcatwork 09-04-2012 10:25 PM

ivy laptops cant run games. plug in a decent graphics card and you can start playing.

C.H. 09-04-2012 10:28 PM

is it sata2 or sata3?

Nate650 09-04-2012 10:38 PM

Review [about.com]

Nate650 09-04-2012 10:41 PM

The Radeon 6450 performs close to a GeForce 9500 GT according to this [videocardbenchmark.net] chart, so don't expect to play any of the latest games with this. Here [anandtech.com] is another chart that shows the video card is on the low end. Also the power supply is only 300W.

1stwinter 09-04-2012 10:46 PM

ya, it could use stronger graphics, 6450's pretty weak. kinda lame for an FX8100 build...

xveganrox 09-04-2012 11:32 PM

Meh - GPU may as well be integrated, no SSD, useless PSU, no Blu-ray drive. Decent $120ish processor is okay but held back by lack of a GPU. Decent price, but crappy parts - the cost to replace them all keeps this from being a good deal IMO.

On a side note I can't see any justification for buying a new AMD-based system these days, *especially* if you're using a dedicated GPU. Cost/value is so much better with Intel these days. The "eight-cores" nonsense is pure marketing; FX-8xxx are really quad cores that are AMD-style hyperthreaded, and in a way that makes them significantly slower than equivalently priced i5s and at par with last-gen Phenom processors. Bulldozer is a stinker.

MeatCatalog 09-04-2012 11:58 PM

slickdeals must have some super special 10% revenue share with newegg these days for this to be front page. I mean, wtf, this is seriously terrible. CPU is great. Case works. Rest of it is next to trash. With its 1 year "ship it first and recieve it a month later" warranty, this thing is worth $250 tops, with a $75 OS.

phedoblue 09-05-2012 01:01 AM

no troll, no hate, but I suggest stay away from acer, look up squaretrade statistics, Acer and Gateway have highest failure rate.

Grab yourself a Gigabyte or Asus motherboard, a 20$ case and you'll be happy longer than these. Problem with low end desktop is that their motherboards tend to fail more than others, same CPU, RAM, HDD. The power supply might be putting out more voltage from time to time which contributes to killing some micro comoponents within your mobo ( could be resistors) that you can never inspect visually. Result is : you'll be screaming in madness and curse at the computer company when you're out of warranty.

MisterRunon 09-05-2012 01:05 AM

i rather build my own desktop and not have to upgrade anything. could probably get a nice setup for a little more than this.

phedoblue 09-05-2012 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterRunon (Post 52979838)
i rather build my own desktop and not have to upgrade anything. could probably get a nice setup for a little more than this.


lol, I can't scan your avatar, try to scan mine :P

Akarin 09-05-2012 01:13 AM

build my desktop, slim-form factor with
i7-2600s
120gb sata II ssd
1tb HDD
16gb DDR3
dvd drive + memory card reader
integrated gpu
300w PSU
----------------------
total cost $400 :P

calistyle 09-05-2012 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phedoblue (Post 52979940)
lol, I can't scan your avatar, try to scan mine :P

If you want your avatar fixed, please post here so the web developers can take a look at it for you.

deelseaker 09-05-2012 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatCatalog (Post 52979214)
slickdeals must have some super special 10% revenue share with newegg these days for this to be front page. I mean, wtf, this is seriously terrible. CPU is great. Case works. Rest of it is next to trash. With its 1 year "ship it first and recieve it a month later" warranty, this thing is worth $250 tops, with a $75 OS.

Interesting: the comments are overwhelmingly negative but the deal Thumbs Up rating is +17.

twostepopper 09-05-2012 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatCatalog (Post 52979214)
slickdeals must have some super special 10% revenue share with newegg these days for this to be front page. I mean, wtf, this is seriously terrible. CPU is great. Case works. Rest of it is next to trash. With its 1 year "ship it first and recieve it a month later" warranty, this thing is worth $250 tops, with a $75 OS.

Newegg rate is 2.5%

MisterRunon 09-05-2012 02:43 AM

imo it would be a decent deal if it came with a 24" monitor. as it is, i would pass.

BrandonL3983 09-05-2012 04:04 AM

I'm looking to buy a desktop soon. What do you guys recommend in the $500 range. Not a heavy user, but would like something to last. I was planning on going to Costco and buying one of their HP or Dells for $599 unless I find something better or cheaper.

keo7 09-05-2012 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akarin (Post 52980130)
build my desktop, slim-form factor with
i7-2600s
120gb sata II ssd
1tb HDD
16gb DDR3
dvd drive + memory card reader
integrated gpu
300w PSU
----------------------
total cost $400 :P

That is a nice build. But I am sick and tire of people listing like this. Where is the cost of OS?
Seriously tho. What is wrong with you people? >.<

geniv 09-05-2012 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keo7 (Post 52982840)
That is a nice build. But I am sick and tire of people listing like this. Where is the cost of OS?
Seriously tho. What is wrong with you people? >.<

some people have pre existing license already.

ex. I run linux in a few of my machines and I got spare Vista and win7 pro license keys already.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deelseaker (Post 52980468)
Interesting: the comments are overwhelmingly negative but the deal Thumbs Up rating is +17.

Sheeple that just look at marketing specs without thinking > educated tech knowledgeable people.

tdkyun 09-05-2012 06:19 AM

this is twice as fast as i7 quad core processors. 2 x quad = 8

TH0R 09-05-2012 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrandonL3983 (Post 52981796)
I'm looking to buy a desktop soon. What do you guys recommend in the $500 range. Not a heavy user, but would like something to last. I was planning on going to Costco and buying one of their HP or Dells for $599 unless I find something better or cheaper.

This is perfect for you, and it's a great deal. A Slickdeals front page PC is always better than a Costco PC for the same price, so in this case it's a no-brainer. Ignore the mindless AMD bashers. :nod:

I would buy this right now if my current PC was in need of upgrading... heck I still might buy it! :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by deelseaker (Post 52980468)
Interesting: the comments are overwhelmingly negative but the deal Thumbs Up rating is +17.

That's because it's a great deal. Dummies tend to be loud. :lol:

Indyboiler 09-05-2012 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdkyun (Post 52983820)
this is twice as fast as i7 quad core processors. 2 x quad = 8

Sorry that's what AMD would like you to think. But the i7 quads are faster.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

burticus 09-05-2012 06:37 AM

About $100 too high.

Indyboiler 09-05-2012 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrandonL3983 (Post 52981796)
I'm looking to buy a desktop soon. What do you guys recommend in the $500 range. Not a heavy user, but would like something to last. I was planning on going to Costco and buying one of their HP or Dells for $599 unless I find something better or cheaper.

If you are looking for a $500 desktop this is a good deal.

q2n 09-05-2012 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdkyun (Post 52983820)
this is twice as fast as i7 quad core processors. 2 x quad = 8

:lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrandonL3983 (Post 52981796)
I'm looking to buy a desktop soon. What do you guys recommend in the $500 range. Not a heavy user, but would like something to last. I was planning on going to Costco and buying one of their HP or Dells for $599 unless I find something better or cheaper.

Why not expand your horizons by building your own? It's not just for geeks anymore. Check out the mobo/processor deals at MicroCenter -- they're always good. Watch for deals on the other components and you can end up with a better system at a better price, plus it's much more satisfying.

Skip Window$ and use a flavor of linux, Ubuntu is most popular.

Caveat: Decide what you want to begin with and stay on mission. Otherwise you end up with a fancy gaming rig.

deelseaker 09-05-2012 07:00 AM

I added some stuff to the thread's Wiki. Hopefully, it will help people make an informed decision. 8 (AMD cores) does not equal 2 x 4 (Intel cores).

HeroTakesAFall 09-05-2012 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatCatalog (Post 52979214)
slickdeals must have some super special 10% revenue share with newegg these days for this to be front page. I mean, wtf, this is seriously terrible. CPU is great. Case works. Rest of it is next to trash. With its 1 year "ship it first and recieve it a month later" warranty, this thing is worth $250 tops, with a $75 OS.

What kind of planet do you nerds live on? Only worth $250? Are you serious? Not everyone that buys a computer is a hardcore gamer!

UnitCS 09-05-2012 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phedoblue (Post 52979706)
no troll, no hate, but I suggest stay away from acer, look up squaretrade statistics, Acer and Gateway have highest failure rate.

.


Maybe in computers,but I have a 23 inch Acer monitor going on 5 years now lol

pthartmann 09-05-2012 07:58 AM

So many Intel fan boys. In the interest of procuring a budget machine that's fast, I'll stir things up with my $.02;

Yes your beloved i5 2500k proves a 6719 at PassMark. [cpubenchmark.net]
$200 [newegg.com]
Where as a lowly Phenom x4 965 has a 4201 at PassMark. [cpubenchmark.net]
$90 [newegg.com]

The $110 difference pays for a SSD.

A cheap AMD CPU/APU + SSD = more performance necessary for the majority of users, many geeks included, in my opinion.

Computer performance is easily bottle-necked. If you're using a HDD with your $200+ processor, you've easily crippled your overall speed anyway. Same thing with slow RAM.

Now for this deal, if you or someone you know can build a computer - do so, stay away.

andy123h 09-05-2012 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrandonL3983 (Post 52981796)
I'm looking to buy a desktop soon. What do you guys recommend in the $500 range. Not a heavy user, but would like something to last. I was planning on going to Costco and buying one of their HP or Dells for $599 unless I find something better or cheaper.

If you're not too bothered with high compute performance and can live without latest & greatest graphics then anything with an AMD Llano processor (preferably the A8) would be a great option. Actually, they make building a bit easier, too. If you get the parts then you can put together something very easily in a couple of hours. You'll have higher quality components than an off-the-shelf purchase too, so it should fit your "something to last" requirement. AMD are about to release the next version (Trinity) of their desktop A-series processors which should offer decent performance increases over Llano, and the price will be similar, so it makes sense to hold off for a little while, if going this route appeals to you.

deelseaker 09-05-2012 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy123h (Post 52986104)
AMD are about to release the next version (Trinity) of their desktop A-series processors which should offer decent performance increases over Llano, and the price will be similar, so it makes sense to hold off for a little while, if going this route appeals to you.

Isn't Trinity already [tomshardware.com] out [tomshardware.com]?

In fact, I know a great deal on an A10-based desktop. :wink5: It's about $80 more after tax, but it makes this 8-core look "bloated": all fat and no muscle.

andy123h 09-05-2012 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deelseaker (Post 52986822)
Isn't Trinity already [tomshardware.com] out [tomshardware.com]?

In fact, I know a great deal on an A10-based desktop. :wink5: It's about $80 after tax, but it makes this 8-core look "bloated": all fat and no muscle.

I like the idea of $80 :yummy: but it shows up as $499. I'd appreciate any insight on how to get this for less. As for the Trinity-based APUs, I think HP had an inside track with AMD which may partially explain why the processor itself doesn't seem to be available for self-builders just yet [extremetech.com].

deelseaker 09-05-2012 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy123h (Post 52987578)
I like the idea of $80 :yummy: but it shows up as $499. I'd appreciate any insight on how to get this for less.[/URL].

:oops: Fixed above.

You can get it for less than "$80 more " :lol: by using a Staples coupon that someone posted in another thread the other day.

MeatCatalog 09-05-2012 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeroTakesAFall (Post 52984986)
What kind of planet do you nerds live on? Only worth $250? Are you serious? Not everyone that buys a computer is a hardcore gamer!

This is slickdeals broheim, not planetnerd. This deal was removed from front page for a good reason. It wasn't slick. I'm impressed that slickdeals made this decision and removed it. If you don't know what a good price is, please don't spout off. Obviously the front page editors agreed with me and the other "planet of nerds" lol.

YourDemize 09-06-2012 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indyboiler (Post 52984052)
Sorry that's what AMD would like you to think. But the i7 quads are faster.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

Boy, you got trolled. LOL.

dwirsz 09-06-2012 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatCatalog (Post 53004816)
This is slickdeals broheim, not planetnerd. This deal was removed from front page for a good reason. It wasn't slick. I'm impressed that slickdeals made this decision and removed it. If you don't know what a good price is, please don't spout off. Obviously the front page editors agreed with me and the other "planet of nerds" lol.

Please show me a better deal for $450. I have that as my limit and you must know of a better deal then...?

deelseaker 09-06-2012 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwirsz (Post 53026080)
Please show me a better deal for $450. I have that as my limit and you must know of a better deal then...?

Just because that's your budget, it does not mean you have to waste it on this. There is a better A10-based config at Staples, but it will break your budget by $25 (+tax maybe). Sucks to be poor.

PASystems 09-08-2012 04:53 AM

Did you forget to include the cost of the OS?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Akarin (Post 52980130)
build my desktop, slim-form factor with
i7-2600s
120gb sata II ssd
1tb HDD
16gb DDR3
dvd drive + memory card reader
integrated gpu
300w PSU
----------------------
total cost $400 :P

OK. Very nice. Stupid question coming....

How do I use my current OS disk (Windows 7 Upgrade disk) to install the OS? Did you do that or have to purchase retail version of Windows? I say earlier that it's a stupid question because I'm certain some know how to do this and think the rest of us haven't got a clue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akarin (Post 52980130)
build my desktop, slim-form factor with
i7-2600s
120gb sata II ssd
1tb HDD
16gb DDR3
dvd drive + memory card reader
integrated gpu
300w PSU
----------------------
total cost $400 :P

OK. Very nice. Stupid question coming....

How do I use my current OS disk (Windows 7 Upgrade disk) to install the OS? Did you do that or have to purchase retail version of Windows? I say earlier that it's a stupid question because I'm certain some know how to do this and think the rest of us haven't got a clue.

compguy 09-08-2012 06:02 AM

Acer used to be the OEM for Gateway, then they bought them out and started labeling everything Acer. You can change the name but it doesn't change the fact that they're still the same company and still have above average failure/problem rates vs. competition.

cpu seems like a good deal and case is probably fine. HDD and ram are kind of ok but essentially disposable. Comes with Windows which is a value. My main concern would be if these are using Acer motherboards, you'll probably end up with a lot of problems sooner than later. Seems like the case itself is ok, but you'd want to use a better motherboard and at that point OEM windows probably wouldn't like working with it if it's tied to the old one.


It's a good price for what you're getting. I'm just not sure I'd recommend it since what you're getting maybe isn't such a great overall value long term, esp. if you have to swap a lot of stuff out to make a decent/reliable pc out of it.

Holysmoke 09-08-2012 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twostepopper (Post 52981302)
Newegg rate is 2.5%


SD doesn't get credit for my clicks. I use mvps hosts file and can't click all the damn ad links on this site

mvps hosts is a must for all surfers of the nets

Akuma77 09-16-2012 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akarin (Post 52980130)
build my desktop, slim-form factor with
i7-2600s
120gb sata II ssd
1tb HDD
16gb DDR3
dvd drive + memory card reader
integrated gpu
300w PSU
----------------------
total cost $400 :P

i never understand where you desktop builders get windows 7 free

Akarin 09-16-2012 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akuma77 (Post 53255142)
i never understand where you desktop builders get windows 7 free

well actually.....I bought a pre-build i3 with win7 pro for $252
then just upgraded the components and end cost was ~$400

PASystems 09-17-2012 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akarin (Post 53255170)
well actually.....I bought a pre-build i3 with win7 pro for $252
then just upgraded the components and end cost was ~$400

The lowest price prebuilt with Win7 Pro and i3 is a Dell at over $400 from Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Pro...6883155365

Where did you get yours for $300 and when?

As most of us know, Dells are a real pain to upgrade. This one is a mini tower which no doubt makes it even more difficult to get inside and change components.

Akarin 09-17-2012 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PASystems (Post 53266414)
The lowest price prebuilt with Win7 Pro and i3 is a Dell at over $400 from Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Pro...6883155365

Where did you get yours for $300 and when?

As most of us know, Dells are a real pain to upgrade. This one is a mini tower which no doubt makes it even more difficult to get inside and change components.

Ebay, open box.
I know you want to say that it would be hard to replicate, but take a look, i3 desktop new or open box goes for under $300 all the time.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_s...&_udhi=280


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