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Krazen1211 11-21-2012 08:25 AM

Detroit is about to run out of cash.
 
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/20...n-december

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/regi...-not-found



Detroit's financial condition is rapidly deteriorating, and City Hall could run out of cash in December, an official told a state oversight board Monday.

The city must find new revenue sources, he said, blaming the worsening outlook on rising medical expenses and lower receipts from taxes and other revenue sources than the city had previously projected.





Time to Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.

zzyzzx 11-21-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Krazen1211 (Post 55042152)
The city must find new revenue sources, he said, blaming the worsening outlook on rising medical expenses and lower receipts from taxes and other revenue sources than the city had previously projected.

Should have blamed union thugs as well.


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Originally Posted by Krazen1211 (Post 55042152)
Time to Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.

:iagree:

BigBananaMess 11-21-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Krazen1211 (Post 55042152)
Time to Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.

That would be racist.

barnz008 11-21-2012 10:46 AM

Time to call Slim Shady, yo.

rrc06 11-21-2012 11:48 AM

This slow motion train wreck has been happening for years.

Deusxmachina 11-21-2012 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Krazen1211 (Post 55042152)
Detroit is about to run out of cash.

Couldn't happen to a nicer city.

Hawk2007 11-21-2012 05:34 PM

Detroit is getting the city that they voted for.

Hawk2007 11-21-2012 06:01 PM

70% of Detroit homicides go unsolved..... http://www.time.com/time/specials...92,00.html

They could probably use the money.

Basically, if you kill someone in Detroit and have a brain, odds are definitely in your favor that you can get away with it.

BigBananaMess 11-22-2012 10:27 AM

Urban Wasteland Becomes Dumping Ground For Bodies [foxnews.com]

Maybe Detroit could charge a tipping fee to shore up their budget?

rrc06 11-22-2012 06:59 PM

Since we are posting about all the things that make Detroit such a swell city, how about it's grocery chain landscape (or lack thereof [cnn.com])

zzyzzx 11-23-2012 07:33 AM

It's the result of black rule.

vaultaddict 11-23-2012 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by zzyzzx (Post 55176154)
It's the result of black rule.

Wow..

ikonoklast 11-23-2012 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by vaultaddict (Post 55182868)
Wow..

He must be thrilled over Obama winning the election.

StarNova 11-24-2012 08:08 PM

We were recently in Detroit - earlier in the year. Watching the news at the hotel, we learned that Detroit had been setting up local police hubs (more like bunkers) in the worst areas of town. When you had an emergency, you could make your way to the bunker and find a police detachment there. Due to budget constraints, Detroit police were closing all the police hubs and installing land line phones so you could call in a crisis. The remaining police stations would have regular business hours and close at 4pm.

rrc06 02-20-2013 02:59 AM

The clock is ticking....

http://mobile.reuters.com/article...0?irpc=932

HEATBaller 02-20-2013 04:17 AM

California out of Cash
Detroit out of Cash
USA out of Cash

Wall Street doing better than ever, Stock Market about to reach new record high previously set in 2007, Corporations raking in record profits. Hmmm.

wake up people its a false choice you don't run a government like you run you home finances. A clever false narrative that Americans are waking up to.

Xygonn 02-20-2013 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HEATBaller (Post 57702204)
California out of Cash
Detroit out of Cash
USA out of Cash

Wall Street doing better than ever, Stock Market about to reach new record high previously set in 2007, Corporations raking in record profits. Hmmm.

wake up people its a false choice you don't run a government like you run you home finances. A clever false narrative that Americans are waking up to.

States are certainly difference than the Federal Government. States cannot coin their own money. States cannot force the Fed to buy their bonds. So state DO need to balance their books. Otherwise they end up repudiating debt (which has happened before) and farking the whole state economy for several years.

Byebye 02-20-2013 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by HEATBaller (Post 57702204)
California out of Cash
Detroit out of Cash
USA out of Cash

Wall Street doing better than ever, Stock Market about to reach new record high previously set in 2007, Corporations raking in record profits. Hmmm.

wake up people its a false choice you don't run a government like you run you home finances. A clever false narrative that Americans are waking up to.

What does Wall Street have to do with California/Detroit?

Have we been running government like most people run their home finances? What are you proposing we change?

Krazen1211 02-20-2013 07:46 AM

The report said Detroit continues to deplete its cash reserves and faces a cash deficit of $100 million by June 30 without significant spending cuts. The city has long-term liabilities including pensions exceeding $14 billion, it said.



Wow. Does Detroit even have $14 billion in assets?

jonsmith74 02-20-2013 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HEATBaller (Post 57702204)
California out of Cash
Detroit out of Cash
USA out of Cash

Wall Street doing better than ever, Stock Market about to reach new record high previously set in 2007, Corporations raking in record profits. Hmmm.

wake up people its a false choice you don't run a government like you run you home finances. A clever false narrative that Americans are waking up to.

Quite obviously...none of the above run/operate as a business or as ordinary people manage their home finances.

jonsmith74 02-20-2013 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Krazen1211 (Post 57705368)
The report said Detroit continues to deplete its cash reserves and faces a cash deficit of $100 million by June 30 without significant spending cuts. The city has long-term liabilities including pensions exceeding $14 billion, it said.

Wow. Does Detroit even have $14 billion in assets?

Not even close. The water department is one of the best in the country, but nowhere in the vicinity of $14B.

Now, where are all those fools that believe that public pensions and benefits programs are not contributing to local and state government budget problems?

California, Illinois, Detroit, et al...same common theme...massive public sector unions, golden benefits that union-backed, Democratic officials will not touch.

Deusxmachina 02-28-2013 02:06 PM

Governor to announce EFM decision tomorrow; State takeover of Detroit possible

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/regi...z2MEZBaBi0
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Detroit Mayor Dave Bing says he spoke by phone with Michigan Governor Rick Snyder today. He says the governor will announce his decision regarding the possible appointment of an Emergency Financial Manager for the city of Detroit on Friday.

The mayor said, "Everybody's got a pretty good idea of what the announcement is going to be."
"Detroit will be just fine. I heard there is a "housing recovery" going on."

hahaha

Mike A. 02-28-2013 11:55 PM

Game over.

Bing tried. Gotta give him some credit personally at least. The City Council is a completely lost cause though. Their reaction to the news should be interesting. Not going to be pretty. lol

Mr.Ritz 03-01-2013 08:46 AM

So basically the state is going to take over and run the city finances because the mayor and the city council drove it into the ground lolol.. But the city can reject EFM and let the city burn lol I bet they will because they don't want someone coming in and slashing everything

jonsmith74 03-01-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Ritz (Post 57911898)
So basically the state is going to take over and run the city finances because the mayor and the city council drove it into the ground lolol.. But the city can reject EFM and let the city burn lol I bet they will because they don't want someone coming in and slashing everything

For those of us who lived in Detroit, we properly recognize that the fight will come down on racial lines. The city's blacks will scream that the whites are trying to take the City back.

The same carping happened when the outer-ring suburbs were proposing that the City give up control of the water system that served all of SE MI...

Mr.Ritz 03-01-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jonsmith74 (Post 57915440)
For those of us who lived in Detroit, we properly recognize that the fight will come down on racial lines. The city's blacks will scream that the whites are trying to take the City back.

The same carping happened when the outer-ring suburbs were proposing that the City give up control of the water system that served all of SE MI...

Why did the suburbs want control of the water?

rrc06 03-01-2013 12:43 PM

Michigan to take over Detroit city government [cnn.com]

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Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder announced Friday that the state will take over the operations of Detroit's city government due to its long-standing financial problems.

The takeover is short of a formal bankruptcy, but it will include appointing an emergency manager who would have many of the same powers as a bankruptcy judge. It could mean throwing out contracts with public employee unions and vendors that the city can't afford, and could lead to further cutbacks in already depleted city services.
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Detroit has 10 days to appeal Snyder's decision that there is a financial emergency in the city. Snyder said he has a "top candidate" for the manager post, but that he won't announce it until after the appeals period has passed.

Snyder, a Republican, insisted the emergency manager is the best way to deal with the problems facing the city's operations.

"The current system has not been working. We have not stopped the decline," he said.

jonsmith74 03-01-2013 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Ritz (Post 57917012)
Why did the suburbs want control of the water?

Principally, distrust. The elected officials and customers in the surrounding counties and cities didn't trust that the city was properly administering this great resource and asset. And so they wanted to share in the control of it.

And it turns out that they were right. The City's mayors and council members have all been pawns of the unions...whether AFSCME and the SEIU who represented the City workers or the ATF who represented the City's teachers.

The City is a basket case primarily because the elected Democrats ran it into the ground using both the City government and schools as jobs programs.

StarNova 03-02-2013 10:26 AM

It's a huge mess in Detroit. First the takeover and if that fails, bankruptcy. Sad state of affairs.

Slvrshot 03-02-2013 12:58 PM

It seems some of you find joy in the failings of this American city. I think its just sad.

MISHNAH 03-02-2013 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Slvrshot (Post 57940334)
It seems some of you find joy in the failings of this American city. I think its just sad.

There is no joy in failure, but there IS joy in the lessons LEARNED from failure.

If nothing else, other cities and their citizens may just possibly learn *something* from Detroit's screw ups and change their ways before they get in the same situation.

Detroit didnt kill itself off due to a natural disaster or some unforeseen circumstances, anybody with half a brain could see what was happening, just that the people in power and the citizens that kept voting them in, were almost brainless (or brilliant in figuring out ways to line their pockets at everybody else's expense).

Radeck 03-02-2013 05:07 PM

Half of Detroit property owners don't pay taxes [detroitnews.com]

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The News reviewed more than 200,000 pages of tax documents and found that 47 percent of the city's taxable parcels are delinquent on their 2011 bills.
...
Delinquency is so pervasive that 77 blocks had only one owner who paid taxes last year, The News found. Many of those who don't pay question why they should in a city that struggles to light its streets or keep police on them.

"Why pay taxes?" asked Fred Phillips, who owes more than $2,600 on his home on an east-side block where five owners paid 2011 taxes. "Why should I send them taxes when they aren't supplying services? It is sickening. … Every time I see the tax bill come, I think about the times we called and nobody came."
...
Wesley paid $810 last year for her snug home near Chalmers. She was the only resident on her 32-parcel block who paid.

"It makes me not want to pay," said Wesley, 85, who would move from her home of more than 20 years if she could afford it. "If nobody else is paying, why should I?"
coming soon to other socialist-run cities and counties near you...sooner or later those who DO pay realize they are the suckers, and decide to jump on the bandwagon...the classic example of killing the golden goose.

On a side note, funny how that 47% number keeps turning up, no?

Dr. J 03-02-2013 06:34 PM

fark 47% delinquency! no wonder they have revenue issues. On the flip side, if they actually tried to collect - what recourse do they have? foreclosure? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

jonsmith74 03-02-2013 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Slvrshot (Post 57940334)
It seems some of you find joy in the failings of this American city. I think its just sad.

It is sad. This was a preventable disaster. I worked for the City government back in the 90s. We saw the problem then with dropping property values and out-of-control union contracts.

Elmer 03-02-2013 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Slvrshot (Post 57940334)
It seems some of you find joy in the failings of this American city. I think its just sad.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MISHNAH (Post 57941268)
There is no joy in failure, but there IS joy in the lessons LEARNED from failure.

If nothing else, other cities and their citizens may just possibly learn *something* from Detroit's screw ups and change their ways before they get in the same situation.

Detroit didnt kill itself off due to a natural disaster or some unforeseen circumstances, anybody with half a brain could see what was happening, just that the people in power and the citizens that kept voting them in, were almost brainless (or brilliant in figuring out ways to line their pockets at everybody else's expense).

It's unlikely that other cities that went the way of Detroit will learn anything.

Our only hope is that those who actually do pay taxes around the country, will tire of having their money used to pay for others excesses.

Mr.Ritz 03-04-2013 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Slvrshot (Post 57940334)
It seems some of you find joy in the failings of this American city. I think its just sad.

I do :)

Mixels 03-05-2013 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Slvrshot (Post 57940334)
It seems some of you find joy in the failings of this American city. I think its just sad.

Detroit's biggest problem isn't the city. It's the people, and not just the politicians. They dug their own graves, and now their social issues are overflowing to the entire state. We're even starting to see some of these issues popping up in eastern Ohio... When a city gets a reputation as a criminal's paradise, you can't stop the influx of criminals, and that is the city's biggest problem: a prevailing notion, even among the authorities, that criminal activity is okie dokie, long as you get your kickbacks/tributes/whatever your stake in the bargain is. It is funny, too, because so much of Detroit's population is wrapped up in this that you can't help but snicker at the fact that those same people don't care. Oh, but of course, it's also sad for the few unfortunately decent folk who happen to live in Detroit that are caught in the middle. What's the option to help them, though? Subsidize a move for them?

Mike A. 03-12-2013 10:36 PM

Pretty good summary.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/12...=all&_r=1&

You know it's bad when even the NYT gives up on you. ; )

rrc06 05-13-2013 12:30 PM

City of Detroit is financially 'insolvent'
[cnn.com]

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The Detroit city government is weeks away from running out of the cash it needs to operate, according to an initial report from the emergency manager overseeing its finances.

The report from Kevyn Orr, the bankruptcy attorney appointed by the state in March, lays out a bleak financial position for the city.

"The city has effectively exhausted its ability to borrow," he writes in the report, adding that the city "is clearly insolvent." To avoid running out of cash before the end of its fiscal year on June 30, it must "defer payments on its current obligations," including more than $100 million in pension payments that are due.

"No one should underestimate the severity of the financial crisis," Orr said in a statement. "The path Detroit has followed for more than 40 years is unsustainable and only a complete restructuring of the city's finances and operations will allow Detroit to regain its footing."
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Detroit is struggling to come up with annual debt payments of about $246 million, which eat up almost 20% of the its general fund budget. Orr says the city needs relief from the money it owes, suggesting that investors holding its debt could end up taking haircuts.

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But investors won't be the only ones hit by Orr's efforts to restructure the city's finances. He is considering changes in healthcare coverage for government employees and retirees, as well as in its pension plans. He's also looking at further changes in pay rates and staffing, on top of the layoffs and 10% pay cut that have already been implemented.

mohater 05-13-2013 04:20 PM

Ironically, if you've exhausted your ability to borrow, you're well beyond insolvency.

jonsmith74 05-13-2013 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MISHNAH (Post 57941268)
There is no joy in failure, but there IS joy in the lessons LEARNED from failure.

If nothing else, other cities and their citizens may just possibly learn *something* from Detroit's screw ups and change their ways before they get in the same situation.

Detroit didnt kill itself off due to a natural disaster or some unforeseen circumstances, anybody with half a brain could see what was happening, just that the people in power and the citizens that kept voting them in, were almost brainless (or brilliant in figuring out ways to line their pockets at everybody else's expense).

Uh, many are already there, including several states. Democratic political machines + unions = fiscal disaster just as we are seeing in Detroit and in Illinois.

Mike A. 05-15-2013 09:11 AM

Bing's finally leaving the game:

"After a tumultuous four years overseeing a city long riddled with blight, corruption, crime, and historic financial issues, mayor David Bing has had enough, telling a stunned audience at the Charles H. Wright Museum of African-American History Tuesday that he’d leave when his term ends in December."

http://news.yahoo.com/detroit-may...00228.html

Deusxmachina 05-15-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike A. (Post 59468416)
Bing's finally leaving the game:

"After a tumultuous four years overseeing a city long riddled with blight, corruption, crime, and historic financial issues, mayor David Bing has had enough, telling a stunned audience at the Charles H. Wright Museum of African-American History Tuesday that he’d leave when his term ends in December."

http://news.yahoo.com/detroit-may...00228.html

"The city’s deficit, said Orr—a bankruptcy expert who represented Chrysler in its 2009 filing—could be as much as $600 million and its long-outstanding debts more than $16 billion. "

$16 billion in debt... that's for the entire state of Michigan and not just Detroit, right? ...oh.

rrc06 05-15-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Deusxmachina (Post 59469550)
"The city’s deficit, said Orr—a bankruptcy expert who represented Chrysler in its 2009 filing—could be as much as $600 million and its long-outstanding debts more than $16 billion. "

$16 billion in debt... that's for the entire state of Michigan and not just Detroit, right? ...oh.

The sky is the limit if you overpromise benefits to the public sector

SGTSlick 05-15-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rrc06 (Post 59469876)
The sky is the limit if you overpromise benefits to the public sector

I suppose a major US city would be considered "too big to fail", right?

rrc06 05-15-2013 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SGTSlick (Post 59470340)
I suppose a major US city would be considered "too big to fail", right?

It likely depends on the administration in power at the time ;)

Deusxmachina 05-15-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SGTSlick (Post 59470340)
I suppose a major US city would be considered "too big to fail", right?

Let's hope not.

I wonder how much money it would take to save Detroit anyway. The probable answer is "too much" or "money alone can't save Detroit."

Krazen1211 05-16-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mohater (Post 59431966)
Ironically, if you've exhausted your ability to borrow, you're well beyond insolvency.


Take a look at Detroit and comparably sized cities like Charlotte and how much they spend on things like police pensions.

mohater 05-16-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Krazen1211 (Post 59496774)
Take a look at Detroit and comparably sized cities like Charlotte and how much they spend on things like police pensions.

That's not even it.

Look at places that have ran itself into the ground: lots of municipalities in CA/the entire State of CA, Detroit, etc.

Spending into oblivion and then just borrowing the hella outta everything because people view gov debt as near riskless.


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