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gtamega 11-25-2012 10:31 PM

Acer Iconia W510-1674 Windows 8 intel Atom tablet 32gb $399 ( regular $499) @ Microsoft store
 
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Good price to start touching windows 8 i guess :D

http://www.microsoftstore.com/sto....258447300

luminosius 11-25-2012 11:30 PM

Acer W510 Win8 tablet (Intel-based) - 32gb - $400 at MS Store
 
You can argue that 32gb is tiny (it is), but this is as cheap as it get if you are looking for a win8 tablet that ISN'T arm-based to play with, I have been stalking forever and can't get something cheaper than this.

http://www.microsoftstore.com/sto....258447300

Note that there is microSD card slot, so you can put some files there too. (Note that win8 modern apps won't install there though.)

luminosius 11-25-2012 11:46 PM

nevermind, I see someone beat me to it. Somehow my search didn't turn it up earlier. (But...emmmmm...searching on bing did.)

Repost.

luminosius 11-25-2012 11:53 PM

Bought 1! (Actually someone failed at searching so I reposted deai to forum. Ah well.)

Been waiting forever to find a cheap intel-based win8 to play with. At $400 and have a full non-gimped OS on a tablet, sounds good to me!

thegreatfixer 11-26-2012 12:30 AM

is it FULL Windows 8 or just the watered down RT

BTW its still an Atom so only 2gb ram and it will be noticeably slow [cpubenchmark.net]

EasyGuy 11-26-2012 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegreatfixer (Post 55312278)
is it FULL Windows 8 or just the watered down RT


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think RT version only run on ARM CPU.

snail3 11-26-2012 12:35 AM

can atom playback 720p/1080p video ok?

EasyGuy 11-26-2012 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snail3 (Post 55312462)
can atom playback 720p/1080p video ok?


From this review [hothardware.com], that is not a problem.

D@xter 11-26-2012 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EasyGuy (Post 55312318)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think RT version only run on ARM CPU.

You are correct. RT is for ARM devices. This has an Atom, so runs full Win8. A full Win8 tablet for $400 is mighty tempting.

luminosius 11-26-2012 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegreatfixer (Post 55312278)

It's not RT. It's a full tablet.

Yes it'll be slower. A dual-core atom. Good enough for stuff like browsing the web, watching hulu / Netflix, watch some downloaded movies, etc. Also very long battery. I read a lot of the reviews on the Samsung equivalent on Amazon/newegg and everyone seems pleasantly surprised at the performance. (Both intel atom-based, so should be same performance here.) Just don't multitask heavily on it. If you stick to the modern windows 8 UI and don't use desktop too often, the OS should be smart enough with resource management to keep everything snappy even with 2gb ram (Win8 knows how to save-state and shutdown apps when mem is running low).

But yea, no playing battlefield 3 on this I'm afraid. ;)

EasyGuy 11-26-2012 12:57 AM

If only this thing comes with an active digitizer.

snail3 11-26-2012 12:59 AM

I wonder if keyboard dock can be purchased separably and how much, looks like you can get the keyboard with 64GB version as a bundle for $750 MSRP

luminosius 11-26-2012 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snail3 (Post 55313118)
I wonder if keyboard dock can be purchased separably and how much, looks like you can get the keyboard with 64GB version as a bundle for $750 MSRP

On newegg, 64gb w / wo keyboard is like $150 diff, so it probably means keyboard is worth more than $150 standalone. :(

I'm sure Acer will see them as accessories later on though for separate purchase.

jaytalent 11-26-2012 01:48 AM

Amazing deal. In for one.

G35Guy 11-26-2012 03:46 AM

A little more detail: http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/0...10-review/

cfishy 11-26-2012 04:14 AM

Wow that review is brutal, thanks you saved me 400 bucks to spend elsewhere

samcrac 11-26-2012 06:02 AM

I don't think that people, or the reviewers are keeping in mind a couple of things. I am using an i5 ultrabook that is really quiet BUT it does have a FAN. Also, it weighs more than 2x more than this tablet. While it has great battery life, it is NOT as good as the supposed 8-9 hrs of this tab. I know the atom was not very good when it was initially released it is obvious that they are gearing them now towards tablets, and for this to get the battery life it does for the weight it has, it is promising that we will see a ton more solid offerings utilizing the Intel Atom, with performance/efficiency getting better over time.

This is obviously a fanless tablet with OK performance. If you were to stuff an ULV i3/i5/i7 it would have to be a special design because they all run with fans. This would make it heavier, have less battery life, etc. This is pretty sweet for the price. The reviews seem to hate the dock more than the tablet!

Maverick0394 11-26-2012 09:09 AM

Not really
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cfishy (Post 55319010)
Wow that review is brutal, thanks you saved me 400 bucks to spend elsewhere

Just read review....and watched video review which gave more clarification on certan items...more nitpicking than anything else...also pre-production model, not final review. Forget keyboard for a moment, which isnt even included in this sale....as a tablet (which is what most people will be buying it for) it didnt do so bad.

Still for the money sounds lile a good deal nonetheless. Nitpicky? Yes...brutal?....no.

samcrac 11-26-2012 10:34 AM

Another interesting point is that this has the same hardware as the $649 Samsung ATIV tab with the exception of 64gb storage.

gabe3 11-26-2012 10:42 AM

this is so tempting. been looking at older samsung series 7 slates with 128gb ssd, i5, 4gb of ram used for $650, I'd put win8 on of course. i don't know which to choose. these atom tablets run metro apps well, but once you start using desktop stuff I hear it slows down.

btw, in the specs on MS store it doesn't list it having hdmi, but it does. if the W700 was on sale for $650 i'd be all over it.

luminosius 11-26-2012 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe3 (Post 55334094)
this is so tempting. been looking at older samsung series 7 slates with 128gb ssd, i5, 4gb of ram used for $650, I'd put win8 on of course. i don't know which to choose. these atom tablets run metro apps well, but once you start using desktop stuff I hear it slows down.

btw, in the specs on MS store it doesn't list it having hdmi, but it does. if the W700 was on sale for $650 i'd be all over it.

I've used the series 7 slate and it's pretty awesome, assuming you don't mind the weight (2 lbs vs 1.4 lbs), active fan, and lower battery (5 hrs vs 9 hrs I'd guess).

luminosius 11-26-2012 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfishy (Post 55319010)
Wow that review is brutal, thanks you saved me 400 bucks to spend elsewhere

The most brutal part of the review is the keyboard that isn't included. Seems like a no-frill win8 tablet at bottle-barrel price, which is exactly what I want.

johndoeabcd 11-26-2012 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luminosius (Post 55337098)
The most brutal part of the review is the keyboard that isn't included. Seems like a no-frill win8 tablet at bottle-barrel price, which is exactly what I want.

Yeah, kinda bummer that it doesn't come with the keyboard! Does anyone know if it comes with Office 13 (like the Surface)?

dmihailescu 11-26-2012 11:32 AM

Excelent deal for a Windows 8 tablet.
The performance is good and it looks better than any android tablets.

johndoeabcd 11-26-2012 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luminosius (Post 55337098)
The most brutal part of the review is the keyboard that isn't included. Seems like a no-frill win8 tablet at bottle-barrel price, which is exactly what I want.

Yeah, it's a bummer that it doesn't come with the keyboard. Does anyone know that it comes with pre-installed Office 13 like the Surface?

dmihailescu 11-26-2012 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegreatfixer (Post 55312278)

It's slow only in desktop mode. Metro style apps fly on that hardware and there are already thousands of quality apps in the store, many of them free.:bounce:

N123 11-26-2012 11:38 AM

This is a great option if you want *full Windows* (not limited RT) on a tablet with complete compatibility with all your existing windows apps plus new windows 8 metro UI apps--also it runs on Clover trail/newer intel processors which will give good power use/battery life vs other/much more expensive windows 8 tablets that run on traditional intel I5 processor/etc. May not be as powerful as these other processors, but it is great for doing light work, portable, long battery life.

thegreatfixer 11-26-2012 11:45 AM

while its a great price the Atom (and EVERY Atom) is limited to 2gb Ram
that is why if it says Atom i stay away
i could live with it being slow
but i cannot live with Win 8 and 2gb of Ram

Reikon 11-26-2012 11:55 AM

I'm still staying away from Atom until next year. The Atom in this is essentially the same in CPU performance as the first Atom released, which was unbearably slow.

wprocks 11-26-2012 11:56 AM

Acer Iconia W510-1674 Windows 8 tablet for $399.99 + FS
 
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Acer Iconia W510-1674 Windows 8 Tablet for $399 + Free Shipping.

http://www.microsoftstore.com/sto.../list.true


I searched for the thread on Slickdeals but could not find.

Gabik123 11-26-2012 11:59 AM

repost

dougpaw57 11-26-2012 11:59 AM

Repost.

http://slickdeals.net/f/5580638-Acer-Iconia-W510-1674-Windows-8-intel-Atom-tablet-32gb-399-regular-499-Microsoft-store

wprocks 11-26-2012 12:00 PM

where is the first post. If you post a link here then I will delete this. Slickdeals's search is not working properly then.

Agreed! deleting this thread.

dmihailescu 11-26-2012 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johndoeabcd (Post 55338236)
Yeah, kinda bummer that it doesn't come with the keyboard! Does anyone know if it comes with Office 13 (like the Surface)?

If looking for office 13 + keyboard than check the Assus http://www.microcenter.com/produc..._RT_TF600T Vivo tab at microcenter.
Through December they include the dock (keyboard) for free and it's only $499 ($100 more than this Iconia).
The hardware specs are similar to the Surface RT.

N123 11-26-2012 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmihailescu (Post 55342574)
If looking for office 13 + keyboard than check the Assus http://www.microcenter.com/produc..._RT_TF600T Vivo tab at microcenter.
Through December they include the dock (keyboard) for free and it's only $499 ($100 more than this Iconia).
The hardware specs are similar to the Surface RT.

This is a good option as well--however, the Vivo Tab is *Windows RT* and thus has zero compatability with legacy Windows apps other than Office. The Acer in this deal runs Full Windows 8.

megapper 11-26-2012 01:19 PM

such a fantastic price for the early-adopter of win8 tablet

but the small (32Gb) harddisk size worries me. I don't intend to install any games or huge softwares other than the normal Office and streaming music application so I don't need a full-fledged harddisk...

From other reviews of the 64Gb versions, about 20Gb is for the hidden recovery partition and left an out-of-the-box 30Gb, which means about 14Gb of Window installation. since this version does not have the recovery partition, 14Gb will be for window installation and the remaining ~18Gb is free?

Is that sufficient for all the win8 caching and other technical stuff that windows require hard disk space?

peppermint 11-26-2012 01:20 PM

thanks

gabe3 11-26-2012 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megapper (Post 55345486)
such a fantastic price for the early-adopter of win8 tablet

but the small (32Gb) harddisk size worries me. I don't intend to install any games or huge softwares other than the normal Office and streaming music application so I don't need a full-fledged harddisk...

From other reviews of the 64Gb versions, about 20Gb is for the hidden recovery partition and left an out-of-the-box 30Gb, which means about 14Gb of Window installation. since this version does not have the recovery partition, 14Gb will be for window installation and the remaining ~18Gb is free?

Is that sufficient for all the win8 caching and other technical stuff that windows require hard disk space?

should be enough, I don't think windows uses much for caching. you can get a sd card and mount it so windows see it as another hard drive.

draider 11-26-2012 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johndoeabcd (Post 55338236)
Yeah, kinda bummer that it doesn't come with the keyboard! Does anyone know if it comes with Office 13 (like the Surface)?

Nope, Microsoft only includes Office 13 with the RT version which is its main selling point.

luminosius 11-26-2012 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johndoeabcd (Post 55338236)
Yeah, kinda bummer that it doesn't come with the keyboard! Does anyone know if it comes with Office 13 (like the Surface)?

Nope, only Windows RT (i.e. ARM-based Win8 tablet) comes with Office. And that's because you aren't allowed to install any desktop apps on ARM, so they just stick it into the OS for you.

luminosius 11-26-2012 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megapper (Post 55345486)
such a fantastic price for the early-adopter of win8 tablet

but the small (32Gb) harddisk size worries me. I don't intend to install any games or huge softwares other than the normal Office and streaming music application so I don't need a full-fledged harddisk...

From other reviews of the 64Gb versions, about 20Gb is for the hidden recovery partition and left an out-of-the-box 30Gb, which means about 14Gb of Window installation. since this version does not have the recovery partition, 14Gb will be for window installation and the remaining ~18Gb is free?

Is that sufficient for all the win8 caching and other technical stuff that windows require hard disk space?

The 32-bit OS itself isn't 14gb. (I have a reasonably clean one installed right now on a desktop, and "My Programs" + Windows" folders add to 7.5 gb. Total space used on drive is ~10gb.) So my guess is there's some crapware on it. Should be able to strip it down to to ~10gb if you know how to clean install it. (And if not, can probably get a gb or so back with just plain uninstalling apps with Windows itself.) So yea, more enough enough space for those "technical stuff". :)

Remaining space on the SSD I plan to only use for Win8 apps (i.e. tablet-designed apps bought from win8 store). Since win8 apps have to store in OS drive, as far as I know. Most apps are <100 mb, so the remaining 20gb or so should be plenty realistically just for Win8 apps.

Like someone else said, I plan to get a SD card to give it some extra storage space and put movies, install desktop apps like Office, etc. onto the SD card.

johndoeabcd 11-26-2012 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luminosius (Post 55353788)
Nope, only Windows RT (i.e. ARM-based Win8 tablet) comes with Office. And that's because you aren't allowed to install any desktop apps on ARM, so they just stick it into the OS for you.

My friend has W500, he upgraded to Windows 8 Pro, installed Office 2010 (Excel, Word, Outlook, Publisher, One Note, no Access and the rest of other apps from Office 2010 Pro) and about 5 more tiny apps (less than 100MB each, I believe) and he has only 1G left! Some of the good games from their apps store is more than 500MB. So 32G is not enough for me unless all I want is just Office 2010 and barely a few small games like my friend!

luminosius 11-26-2012 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reikon (Post 55339886)
I'm still staying away from Atom until next year. The Atom in this is essentially the same in CPU performance as the first Atom released, which was unbearably slow.


Actually, not quite. 1st atom is single-core. This is essentially same atom, but dual core. So, double the speed if multi-threaded (or more than 1 app running at same time.)

And the integrated graphics is completely different from your 1st gen atom netbook. Should be much faster. (Still not good enough to play a real desktop game, but those tablet games should be fine.)

clipse2000 11-26-2012 04:11 PM

Microsoft Store screwed me over on the XPS and gave me a $50 dollar credit as an "apology". There's nothing I want on that site, so if anybody wants the code for something on their site, let me know.

luminosius 11-26-2012 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegreatfixer (Post 55339230)
while its a great price the Atom (and EVERY Atom) is limited to 2gb Ram
that is why if it says Atom i stay away
i could live with it being slow
but i cannot live with Win 8 and 2gb of Ram

Actually, regarding the 2gb of ram, if you stick to the win8 modern apps, the OS is actually redesigned to work much better than win7 even in low memory conditions. When memory's running out, the OS should be smart enough to save state and then kill idle apps for you, so that whatever you are currently doing isn't slowed down by lack of ram. The experience is still fast, though it'll take a bit longer to swap back to the previous app that got killed, since it has to basically re-open and then load state. This only applies to Win8 apps (i.e. the apps you buy on the app store.)

If you are running desktop apps, yes, still extremely easy to shoot yourself in the foot, since Win8 can't just go and kill legacy apps running on your machine.

Basically, if you stick mainly to the new win8 apps, and use the desktop sparingly as a fallback, even 2gb should be a decent experience.

quickmips 11-26-2012 04:24 PM

PM sent
 
PM sent, thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by clipse2000 (Post 55355892)
Microsoft Store screwed me over on the XPS and gave me a $50 dollar credit as an "apology". There's nothing I want on that site, so if anybody wants the code for something on their site, let me know.


luminosius 11-26-2012 04:36 PM

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luminosius 11-26-2012 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johndoeabcd (Post 55354862)
My friend has W500, he upgraded to Windows 8 Pro, installed Office 2010 (Excel, Word, Outlook, Publisher, One Note, no Access and the rest of other apps from Office 2010 Pro) and about 5 more tiny apps (less than 100MB each, I believe) and he has only 1G left! Some of the good games from their apps store is more than 500MB. So 32G is not enough for me unless all I want is just Office 2010 and barely a few small games like my friend!

Yea that sounds possible. Office is like 1-3gb. And then don't forget the e-mail folder it syncs down, which is an additional couple of gbs. My Outlook mail at work takes up 5gb already. :( So there's like a good chunk of your space down the drain.

In fact, I don't plan to install Outlook, and only use the free win8 mail app and use that to only sync like 1 month of work mail instead.

Note that you can tell Outlook to save your mail on a different drive too, e.g. the microSD card slot. If I do eventually have to install Outlook for work, that's what I'd do.

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us...12480.aspx

kudosdeals 11-26-2012 04:46 PM

wow full windows 8 on this tablet...This tablet is a steal at this price ! Thx op !

Benn00 11-26-2012 07:44 PM

Anyone know if this tablet will support USB host mode on the micro usb port so i can use one of the full size adapters? I know alot of the android tablets can, will save me from having to buy the keyboard dock.

Thanks!

k000 11-26-2012 07:52 PM

What are the apps this comes with? Any chance office ?

ddrddrddrddr 11-26-2012 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k000 (Post 55366728)
What are the apps this comes with? Any chance office ?

Considering it has the office 2010 as a popular add on, probably not.

fearl0rd 11-26-2012 09:08 PM

Acer Iconia W510-1674 Tablet - Windows 8 Intel CPU for $399.00 @Microsoft Store
 
Microsoft has the Acer Iconia W500 Windows 8 online for just $399 - that's $100 off the regular price

http://www.microsoftstore.com/sto...rs0pnrlllr

couponhunter 11-26-2012 09:25 PM

I was looking at 32GB version of Asus Transformer for ~$300. How good is this Acer Iconia W510 in comparison to that? Here is what I see:

Acer Iconia:
Dual-core processor, and dual-core GPU
IPS Screen with Gorilla Glass
microHDMI, microUSB, microSD
Windows OS

Asus TF300
Quad-core processor and GPU
IPS Screen, Somewhat fragile based on reviews
microHDMI and microSD
Android

My question is -> Is Win8 going to drag on Acer Iconia, or will it be just fine?

Benn00 11-26-2012 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by couponhunter (Post 55371532)
I was looking at 32GB version of Asus Transformer for ~$300. How good is this Acer Iconia W510 in comparison to that? Here is what I see:

Acer Iconia:
Dual-core processor, and dual-core GPU
IPS Screen with Gorilla Glass
microHDMI, microUSB, microSD
Windows OS

Asus TF300
Quad-core processor and GPU
IPS Screen, Somewhat fragile based on reviews
microHDMI and microSD
Android

My question is -> Is Win8 going to drag on Acer Iconia, or will it be just fine?

My suggestion is to go into staples if you have one by you and try out the samsung ativ they have on display. Basically the same internals as the iconia, thats how i made my decision that the atom was going to work just fine. Its the difference between having a mobile operating system or a full computer OS.

Each one is going to do certain things better because of the software specifically written for certain hardware.

megapper 11-26-2012 10:12 PM

I had the Samsung Ativ for about a week and the Atom is more than sufficient for web browsing, live stream soccer, streaming flash/DIVX movies and Netflix and word 2010. Actually that is all I need to do with this tablet and the experience is smooth and slick. And the battery seems like it just goes on and on!

However I returned it as the 11.6" and weight is a little more than comfortable for handling of the tablet while in bed. This 10" is about the perfect size for a tablet...

Benn00 11-26-2012 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megapper (Post 55373794)
I had the Samsung Ativ for about a week and the Atom is more than sufficient for web browsing, live stream soccer, streaming flash/DIVX movies and Netflix and word 2010. Actually that is all I need to do with this tablet and the experience is smooth and slick. And the battery seems like it just goes on and on!

However I returned it as the 11.6" and weight is a little more than comfortable for handling of the tablet while in bed. This 10" is about the perfect size for a tablet...

Based on your experience with the ativ, do you think it would have any trouble playing back 720p mkv files smoothly or outputting 1080p video without slowdown?

luminosius 11-26-2012 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k000 (Post 55366728)
What are the apps this comes with? Any chance office ?

Sadly no. Office's only included with ARM-based win8 tablet (Windows RT), mainly because you can't install desktop apps on it yourself so they decide to throw it in for you. Though honestly, good luck using this tiny tablet for word processing.

megapper 11-26-2012 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benn00 (Post 55374236)
Based on your experience with the ativ, do you think it would have any trouble playing back 720p mkv files smoothly or outputting 1080p video without slowdown?


Apparently you can watch 1080p mkv fine and smooth output to HDTV...

The user reviews are from here...post 325
http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/s...es-33.html

gabe3 11-26-2012 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by couponhunter (Post 55371532)
I was looking at 32GB version of Asus Transformer for ~$300. How good is this Acer Iconia W510 in comparison to that? Here is what I see:

Acer Iconia:
Dual-core processor, and dual-core GPU
IPS Screen with Gorilla Glass
microHDMI, microUSB, microSD
Windows OS

Asus TF300
Quad-core processor and GPU
IPS Screen, Somewhat fragile based on reviews
microHDMI and microSD
Android

My question is -> Is Win8 going to drag on Acer Iconia, or will it be just fine?

the acer has a better cpu than the asus. it really comes down to OS though. the asus will have more free space for storage, since android is small and windows is large. an i3 cpu will have about 3x the performance of the atom. it all depends what you plan to do with it.

luminosius 11-26-2012 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benn00 (Post 55366416)
Anyone know if this tablet will support USB host mode on the micro usb port so i can use one of the full size adapters? I know alot of the android tablets can, will save me from having to buy the keyboard dock.

Thanks!

Yea, in fact it only works as USB host mode. This thing doesn't charge via USB. If you look at the photo of the device on newegg, you can see that the charge adapter is a proprietary plug, and it comes with a micro-USB-to-USB adapter too. (At least, for the more expensive version that comes with keyboard dock, the adapter is included. You can buy your own adapter at $3 anyway on amazon.)

So yea, you can pug in your own third-party keyboard dock via USB if you have one.

luminosius 11-26-2012 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by couponhunter (Post 55371532)
I was looking at 32GB version of Asus Transformer for ~$300. How good is this Acer Iconia W510 in comparison to that? Here is what I see:

Acer Iconia:
Dual-core processor, and dual-core GPU
IPS Screen with Gorilla Glass
microHDMI, microUSB, microSD
Windows OS

Asus TF300
Quad-core processor and GPU
IPS Screen, Somewhat fragile based on reviews
microHDMI and microSD
Android

My question is -> Is Win8 going to drag on Acer Iconia, or will it be just fine?

When used as a win8 tablet (i.e. stick to those Win8 modern apps), the experience should be fine since Win8 is pretty much optimized for this type of usage.

If you go into desktop mode to run legacy desktop app though, the OS is probably going to "drag". It'd be like running win7 in a netbook. I'd use that only sparingly.

The biggest decision should be which OS do you like more if you ask me. Personally I'd pick Win8 / Ipad over android but that's just me.

Benn00 11-26-2012 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luminosius (Post 55375266)
Yea, in fact it only works as USB host mode. This thing doesn't charge via USB. If you look at the photo of the device on newegg, you can see that the charge adapter is a proprietary plug, and it comes with a micro-USB-to-USB adapter too. (At least, for the more expensive version that comes with keyboard dock, the adapter is included. You can buy your own adapter at $3 anyway on amazon.)

So yea, you can pug in your own third-party keyboard dock via USB if you have one.

You just made my night, thanks so much. I ordered one of those adapters off amazon and figured I would give it a shot when it arrived, amazing price then for the device.

luminosius 11-26-2012 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benn00 (Post 55374236)
Based on your experience with the ativ, do you think it would have any trouble playing back 720p mkv files smoothly or outputting 1080p video without slowdown?

Haven't find an article of someone trying mkv file, but here's a reviewer trying a AVCHD 1080p video and 1080p web video and both working fine.

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/In...ew/?page=4

megapper 11-26-2012 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luminosius (Post 55375612)
Haven't find an article of someone trying mkv file, but here's a reviewer trying a AVCHD 1080p video and 1080p web video and both working fine.

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/In...ew/?page=4

http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/s...es-33.html

the guy here apparently tried 1080p MKV movies with good results, as well as output to HDTV, but your linked article is an interesting read! very informative

luminosius 11-26-2012 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megapper (Post 55376004)
http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/s...es-33.html

the guy here apparently tried 1080p MKV movies with good results, as well as output to HDTV, but your linked article is an interesting read! very informative

Cool, yea I got curious and looked up Z2760's spec too. Says it can do decode 1080p video on GPU, so yea it should be fine for 1080p videos. (Depends on the actual video codec inside the mkv container of course, but assuming not something too weird.)

http://download.intel.com/newsroo...tSheet.pdf

alien4 11-27-2012 08:49 AM

cant believe i missed this. anyone know any other cheap full windows 8 tablets?

imhotep6 11-27-2012 01:59 PM

Anyone get shipping info yet?

Benn00 11-27-2012 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imhotep6 (Post 55406976)
Anyone get shipping info yet?

Just got mine, tracking number but no info yet

snail3 11-27-2012 05:12 PM

just got mine, UPS shipping out from Ontario, CA. Anyone know the return window for this device? Why there isn't any review on the performance of this Atom CPU on tablet (e.g. web browsing/flash experience)

Benn00 11-27-2012 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snail3 (Post 55415892)
just got mine, UPS shipping out from Ontario, CA. Anyone know the return window for this device? Why there isn't any review on the performance of this Atom CPU on tablet (e.g. web browsing/flash experience)

There are some reviews posted a few posts up for different tablets with exact same internals. Just ignore the parts about any stylus or screen since they will be different. Performance will be identical.

Edit: Think microsofts website says that it is 30 days, no mention of any restocking fee. Must be returned by mail even if you have a microsoft store nearby.

snail3 11-27-2012 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benn00 (Post 55417356)
There are some reviews posted a few posts up for different tablets with exact same internals. Just ignore the parts about any stylus or screen since they will be different. Performance will be identical.

Edit: Think microsofts website says that it is 30 days, no mention of any restocking fee. Must be returned by mail even if you have a microsoft store nearby.

can you please provide some example of other model you saw that has review?

Just chat with microsoft store, they said the return window is till Jan 31 for Xmas season so that's a relief. And like you said you have to go though mail for returning (cannot return to physical microsoft store) and there is no restocking fee.

Benn00 11-27-2012 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snail3 (Post 55417794)
can you please provide some example of other model you saw that has review?

Just chat with microsoft store, they said the return window is till Jan 31 for Xmas season so that's a relief. And like you said you have to go though mail for returning (cannot return to physical microsoft store) and there is no restocking fee.


http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/s...es-33.html

That particular series of posts contain the video playback abilities of the hardware. Throughout the forum they are discussing the samsung ativ tablet which is internally identical except it has a digitzier pen and a full sized usb port. Pretty much everything in that forum thread about how the tablet is working software wise will carry over to our new gem.

imhotep6 11-27-2012 06:10 PM

Just got mine as well.

Benn00 11-27-2012 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imhotep6 (Post 55418060)
Just got mine as well.

Just want to verify, did the micro usb to full size usb adapter come in the box even without the keyboard bundle? Kinda upset i ordered one from amazon and wasn't able to cancel in time.

snail3 11-27-2012 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benn00 (Post 55418156)
Just want to verify, did the micro usb to full size usb adapter come in the box even without the keyboard bundle? Kinda upset i ordered one from amazon and wasn't able to cancel in time.

what's the concern on the adaptor? micro-usb->full-usb adaptor should be very cheap to buy?

megapper 11-27-2012 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snail3 (Post 55417794)
can you please provide some example of other model you saw that has review?

Just chat with microsoft store, they said the return window is till Jan 31 for Xmas season so that's a relief. And like you said you have to go though mail for returning (cannot return to physical microsoft store) and there is no restocking fee.


From Microsoft store:

Hardware, Including Computers and Xbox (excluding RAM)

Returns and exchanges of computers, computer hardware items (including mice, keyboards, and printers), and other hardware items (including Xbox 360 consoles and controllers, Zune players, and accessories), will be honored for thirty (30) days from the date of purchase, provided the item has not been opened or altered from its original state and does not show wear or damage.

I guess we can't open and give it a test run!?

cmbezln 11-27-2012 07:55 PM

showing 499 on my end

Benn00 11-27-2012 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snail3 (Post 55421546)
what's the concern on the adaptor? micro-usb->full-usb adaptor should be very cheap to buy?

It was exceptionally cheap, only 5 bucks with 2 day shipping, just unnecessary since i think the tablet comes with one.

gabe3 11-28-2012 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmbezln (Post 55421684)
showing 499 on my end

deal was only on monday.

MikeM4881 11-28-2012 04:13 PM

Acer Claims this model comes with a keyboard
 
Check their product page for this model here:
http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/conte....L0KAA.005

Click on Datasheet and read the first paragraph. They claim this specific model comes with the keyboard, but all press coverage has claimed it does not. Given this is on ACER's site, I'm willing to argue false advertising with MS (their store says something akin to see manufacturer's web page for technical details). There is another model number that's $50 less on their site without the keyboard, but that's not the model advertised...

nomanshakir 11-28-2012 06:28 PM

Anyone know where to buy the keyboard dock from?

sxw88 11-28-2012 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeM4881 (Post 55459334)
Check their product page for this model here:
http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/conte....L0KAA.005

Click on Datasheet and read the first paragraph. They claim this specific model comes with the keyboard, but all press coverage has claimed it does not. Given this is on ACER's site, I'm willing to argue false advertising with MS (their store says something akin to see manufacturer's web page for technical details). There is another model number that's $50 less on their site without the keyboard, but that's not the model advertised...

Below in package contents:
ICONIA W510-27602G03iss Net-tablet PC
Lithium Polymer Battery
AC Adapter

Doesn't mention keyboard. Mine comes in Friday. Guess we will know for sure by then :woot:

MikeM4881 11-28-2012 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sxw88 (Post 55468536)
Below in package contents:
ICONIA W510-27602G03iss Net-tablet PC
Lithium Polymer Battery
AC Adapter

Doesn't mention keyboard. Mine comes in Friday. Guess we will know for sure by then :woot:

Mine also. I'm not sure what to expect given the W510-1666 is $50 less and the only difference on Acer's site is that it didn't claim to have a keyboard, yet every one else has estimated the keyboard to cost $150... I chatted with a MS Store agent and asked them. They initially replied no it doesn't come with the tablet, but upon explaining the differences between their site and Acer's, he told me I should expect it to contain the keyboard.

samcrac 11-29-2012 12:42 PM

No keyboard included! Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac...ature=plcp

I called Acer and they said it WOULD come with a keyboard...

Edit:

This really can't be truly confirmed by the video anyone who receives this tablet today or tomorrow from MS store PLEASE post on here whether it comes with it or not! I have to wait until next week. It seems there are 2 different models and for the $50 extra they include the keyboard dock. If it DOES come with this model this was a slicker than slick deal!!!

nomanshakir 11-29-2012 02:02 PM

I hope this comes with a keyboard as well

cocokaka 11-29-2012 02:39 PM

I GOT MINE AND it doesn't come with keyboard. I wonder anyone know where to buy one,

MINE FREEZE UP LIKE 3-4 TIMES A DAY I DON'T KNOW IF I GOT THE DEFECTIVE UNIT OR NOT.

AND IT GETS VERY HOT.

MikeM4881 11-29-2012 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trungnguyen1227 (Post 55498820)
I GOT MINE AND it doesn't come with keyboard. I wonder anyone know where to buy one,

MINE FREEZE UP LIKE 3-4 TIMES A DAY I DON'T KNOW IF I GOT THE DEFECTIVE UNIT OR NOT.

AND IT GETS VERY HOT.

Who should we take the keyboard issue up with, Microsoft or Acer? You can't simply sell a model (especially since there is a specific model for the 32gb tab without a dock on Acer's website) that the manufacturer says comes with a keyboard without one. That's like a dealer selling a V8 Mustang for $3000 less and not telling you they swapped it out for a V6.

cocokaka 11-29-2012 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeM4881 (Post 55500614)
Who should we take the keyboard issue up with, Microsoft or Acer? You can't simply sell a model (especially since there is a specific model for the 32gb tab without a dock on Acer's website) that the manufacturer says comes with a keyboard without one. That's like a dealer selling a V8 Mustang for $3000 less and not telling you they swapped it out for a V6.

i think 399 is a fair price so I will exchange my tablet to see if I got the defective unit or all of them are hot and freeze up that freequence.
I think we can purchase the dock for 110-150 probability couple month later. or i can just purchase an usd keyboard cover.

snail3 11-29-2012 03:40 PM

W510-1674 doesn't have keyboard (look at the "package contents" row towards the bottom)
http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/conte....L0KAA.005

If you check the $750 model, W51-1422 for example. the package contents row does say keyboard, E510-1674 does not have this
http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/conte....L0MAA.001

Quote:

Originally Posted by trungnguyen1227 (Post 55500816)
i think 399 is a fair price so I will exchange my tablet to see if I got the defective unit or all of them are hot and freeze up that freequence.
I think we can purchase the dock for 110-150 probability couple month later. or i can just purchase an usd keyboard cover.

how do you find the tablet speed? comparable to browsing speed in windows RT? mine doesn't come until tomorrow..

MikeM4881 11-29-2012 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snail3 (Post 55500970)
W510-1674 doesn't have keyboard (look at the "package contents" row towards the bottom)
http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/conte....L0KAA.005

If you check the $750 model, W51-1422 for example. the package contents row does say keyboard, E510-1674 does not have this
http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/conte....L0MAA.001



how do you find the tablet speed? comparable to browsing speed in windows RT? mine doesn't come until tomorrow..


Read the paragraph at the top of that page:

"Windows 8 - Intel® Atom™ Dual-Core Processor Z2760 1.5GHz with Intel® Burst technology up to 1.8GHz - 2GB DDR3 SDRAM - 32GB internal storage - 10.1" HD display (133 x 768) with integrated 5-point multitouch screen - Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator - Acer Invilink™ Nplify™ 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi - front and rear facing webcams - high-definition audio support - Bluetooth® - Micro-HDMI® - Micro-USB - 2-in-1 card reader - USB keyboard dock - 2-cell battery - 1-year limited warranty"

MikeM4881 11-29-2012 04:27 PM

So I just got off the phone with the MS Store and spoke with a nice CS rep, Nicole. She escalated the mismatch of descriptions between their site and Acer's to her supervisor, who said that I wasn't the first person to call up regarding the issue. Long story short I was told they didn't receive keyboards and thus we don't get them. I will call Acer to confirm that it should come with a dock. Given the discrepancy snail3 pointed out in the lower area of their description between the models, it could be a typo.

snail3 11-29-2012 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeM4881 (Post 55502436)
Read the paragraph at the top of that page:

"Windows 8 - Intel® Atom™ Dual-Core Processor Z2760 1.5GHz with Intel® Burst technology up to 1.8GHz - 2GB DDR3 SDRAM - 32GB internal storage - 10.1" HD display (133 x 768) with integrated 5-point multitouch screen - Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator - Acer Invilink™ Nplify™ 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi - front and rear facing webcams - high-definition audio support - Bluetooth® - Micro-HDMI® - Micro-USB - 2-in-1 card reader - USB keyboard dock - 2-cell battery - 1-year limited warranty"

I think this could be just a copy-paste error by Acer

AveSharia 11-29-2012 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snail3 (Post 55502720)
I think this could be just a copy-paste error by Acer

Well, I'm sure the resolution wasn't really 133x768. :lmao:

mZimm 11-29-2012 04:35 PM

I also purchased one of these but sadly won't be receiving it until Monday. I had no belief or reason to believe that it was going to come with the keyboard dock, but looking around on Acer's site is pretty confusing. If you use the compare tool on their website, there is 0 discernible difference between the W510-1620 and the W510-1674 (which we purchased). Then when you go to the "Datasheet" page for each tablet, the only difference is that the 1674 includes "USB keyboard dock" in the paragraph at the top, as mentioned above. The 1674 model also shows a $50 higher MSRP.

MikeM4881 11-29-2012 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mZimm (Post 55502860)
I also purchased one of these but sadly won't be receiving it until Monday. I had no belief or reason to believe that it was going to come with the keyboard dock, but looking around on Acer's site is pretty confusing. If you use the compare tool on their website, there is 0 discernible difference between the W510-1620 and the W510-1674 (which we purchased). Then when you go to the "Datasheet" page for each tablet, the only difference is that the 1674 includes "USB keyboard dock" in the paragraph at the top, as mentioned above. The 1674 model also shows a $50 higher MSRP.


Yes it was very confusing. I called Acer and discussed the issue. I was told that there can be variances *within* a model as to whether they come with the dock or not, basically making any disclaimer that it does or does not come with it useless. The only way to verify is to call their US line, ask for technical support with tablet in hand, and give them the specific serial number of the unit. From there they can tell you if it should come with a dock or not.

Also, I was told to call 800-910-2237 and that if provided with the serial number, they can tell you whether you can buy the optional dock for the tablet. Case closed in my book.

mZimm 11-29-2012 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeM4881 (Post 55503226)
Yes it was very confusing. I called Acer and discussed the issue. I was told that there can be variances *within* a model as to whether they come with the dock or not, basically making any disclaimer that it does or does not come with it useless. The only way to verify is to call their US line, ask for technical support with tablet in hand, and give them the specific serial number of the unit. From there they can tell you if it should come with a dock or not.

Also, I was told to call 800-910-2237 and that if provided with the serial number, they can tell you whether you can buy the optional dock for the tablet. Case closed in my book.

Awful marketing and organization on their part, but I agree that the case is closed. These tabs clearly were never meant to come with the dock and I think we were all aware of that when we purchased. I would like to know the price of one from Acer, however.

marriot 11-29-2012 11:12 PM

i received my order today, no keyboard, which is what i expected. I played it on and off for about 3 hours, still showing 75% battery left, so seems to have quite good battery life. Response is very good, no obvious lag. There is one thing i am trying to figure out though, it's how to connect a bluetooth device to it. i don't see any bluetooth tray icon in the taskbar, and don't see any bluetooth device in the device manager, but i am sure there is bluetooth support in this tablet. maybe acer forgot to install the bluetooth driver on the device before they ship?

------------------

update: finally figured out the bluetooth thing. Benn00 below posted the method too.

gtamega 11-29-2012 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marriot (Post 55514766)
i received my order today, no keyboard, which is what i expected. I played it on and off for about 3 hours, still showing 75% battery left, so seems to have quite good battery life. Response is very good, no obvious lag. There is one thing i am trying to figure out though, it's how to connect a bluetooth device to it. i don't see any bluetooth tray icon in the taskbar, and don't see any bluetooth device in the device manager, but i am sure there is bluetooth support in this tablet. maybe acer forgot to install the bluetooth driver on the device before they ship?


Just got mine yesterday and yes , no keyboard.It is a pretty sweet toy , not much lag and Windows 8 is a pretty fun OS. MS Store did get some try again downloading some apps but overall i am pretty stoked with this tablet so far.:hug:

Benn00 11-30-2012 02:12 AM

Love the tablet so far, anyone able to get bluetooth working? I'm assuming its a combo with the wifi card however it isn't detecting any devices unless i plug in an external bluetooth receiver, am i missing something?

Edit: Wow didn't read 2 posts up lol,,,Marriot no idea how to get bluetooth working. When i go through the config boxes for the wifi card there are a bunch of options for bluetooth all enabled but still can't get the tablet to see anything without a usb receiver plugged in

Benn00 11-30-2012 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marriot (Post 55514766)
i received my order today, no keyboard, which is what i expected. I played it on and off for about 3 hours, still showing 75% battery left, so seems to have quite good battery life. Response is very good, no obvious lag. There is one thing i am trying to figure out though, it's how to connect a bluetooth device to it. i don't see any bluetooth tray icon in the taskbar, and don't see any bluetooth device in the device manager, but i am sure there is bluetooth support in this tablet. maybe acer forgot to install the bluetooth driver on the device before they ship?

Finally figured it out accidentally.

Start at the windows home screen with the tiles.
Swipe from the right to bring up the charms. Go to settings
On the bottom go to change pc settings
Then go to wireless on the left, then enable Bluetooth

Thanks for not hiding that at all Acer.....

mZimm 11-30-2012 08:00 AM

Anyone find a good case for this thing? I'm not looking for anything too big or bulky, but I'd like somethat that provides a decent stand for when I connect a BT keyboard.

marriot 11-30-2012 09:26 AM

yes, i finally stumbled to that setting page too by accident, really hard to find :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benn00 (Post 55518978)
Finally figured it out accidentally.

Start at the windows home screen with the tiles.
Swipe from the right to bring up the charms. Go to settings
On the bottom go to change pc settings
Then go to wireless on the left, then enable Bluetooth

Thanks for not hiding that at all Acer.....


cocokaka 11-30-2012 10:01 AM

Anyone having this problem : mine works fine, smooth for basic task and surfing web in metro ui but it's lag in traditional destop mode. Also the tablet get hot and freeze up.

marriot 11-30-2012 10:35 AM

haven't experienced this, at least yet :-) will post if it happens (hopefully not!)

Quote:

Originally Posted by trungnguyen1227 (Post 55528586)
Anyone having this problem : mine works fine, smooth for basic task and surfing web in metro ui but it's lag in traditional destop mode. Also the tablet get hot and freeze up.


chinafbi 11-30-2012 11:05 AM

I guess this is a very good deal. The battery life is excellent which is a must.

snail3 11-30-2012 12:29 PM

anyone tried to contact Acer to see if keyboard dock can be purchased by itself?

sxw88 11-30-2012 04:37 PM

Wow this is really an amazing tablet. The web browsing is as fast as my desktop and I'm talking about full desktop mode non of the Android reformatted versions. It synced my Windows wallpaper and theme. It's a perfect 10 in tablet. Since I only browse internet and read PDFs on tablet, it's going to be awesome for me going forward.

bleclair 11-30-2012 08:34 PM

I was loving mine during the few hours I used it then started experiencing "freezing" as well. Then I tried plugging in a USB mouse and it keeps working. It appears the touchscreen just stops responding to touch every so often. Blech. And you have to call Microsoft to get a RMA.

EDIT: Saw Acer had a chat support option so decided to try that. You have to enter the serial from the back of the box to get to chat, and it says my serial number is not valid so I can't use their chat support. Acer, thank you for reminding me why I don't purchase your products.

Mdrivera 11-30-2012 08:52 PM

If anyone has one of these and found that they don't need/want it anymore, PM me.

max1001 11-30-2012 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luminosius (Post 55356036)
Actually, regarding the 2gb of ram, if you stick to the win8 modern apps, the OS is actually redesigned to work much better than win7 even in low memory conditions. When memory's running out, the OS should be smart enough to save state and then kill idle apps for you, so that whatever you are currently doing isn't slowed down by lack of ram. The experience is still fast, though it'll take a bit longer to swap back to the previous app that got killed, since it has to basically re-open and then load state. This only applies to Win8 apps (i.e. the apps you buy on the app store.)

If you are running desktop apps, yes, still extremely easy to shoot yourself in the foot, since Win8 can't just go and kill legacy apps running on your machine.

Basically, if you stick mainly to the new win8 apps, and use the desktop sparingly as a fallback, even 2gb should be a decent experience.

LOL. You know what's how ANY OS has been managing memory since the 80s.

Benn00 12-01-2012 05:14 AM

Anyone figure out how to create the acer restore usb? The instructions say to search or the acer recovery app but it doesn't exist

bleclair 12-01-2012 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snail3 (Post 55535604)
anyone tried to contact Acer to see if keyboard dock can be purchased by itself?

It's on backorder, but available from Acer's site to preorder.

http://store.acer.com/store/acern....259958500

I restored mine and played with it some more, and the touchscreen is definitely wonky. It works for ten minutes, then doesn't respond for a couple minutes (although you can use a mouse.) Back to Microsoft it goes!

I requested a refund as Amazon has the 64gb w/ keyboard bundle preorder for $709 right now. I like the tablet enough that I want the 32gb more and the keyboard dock, but I'm going to order the next one from somewhere where I know I can return it easy if I have further hardware issues.

To those thinking about this device, barring any issues like I've run into this tablet is amazing for the price of an iPad 2. Superfast (looks like they didn't skimp on the SSD), nice screen, responsive touchscreen, haptic feedback, decent speakers. Body has a little flex, but not bad.

stingy 12-01-2012 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe3 (Post 55334094)
this is so tempting. been looking at older samsung series 7 slates with 128gb ssd, i5, 4gb of ram used for $650, I'd put win8 on of course. i don't know which to choose. these atom tablets run metro apps well, but once you start using desktop stuff I hear it slows down.

btw, in the specs on MS store it doesn't list it having hdmi, but it does. if the W700 was on sale for $650 i'd be all over it.

Samsung series 7 slate with Win 8 works very well. We got it loaded with everything we got in the help desk and runs very smooth. If you could find this slate even at $799, grab it. Been watching a few used/refurbs and so far they're just too expensive. If you could wait a bit, Acer's W700 model should also be available. I wanted the $999 model of this series that has equivalent specs with Sam Series 7 slate.

stingy 12-01-2012 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmihailescu (Post 55338538)
It's slow only in desktop mode. Metro style apps fly on that hardware and there are already thousands of quality apps in the store, many of them free.:bounce:

True and at this price, you can't beat that. But I think others want to use their old MS software on this, too, so I think speed could be a major issue.

bleclair 12-01-2012 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stingy (Post 55562994)
Samsung series 7 slate with Win 8 works very well..

Yeah, I really liked mine except for the fact it was pretty heavy to use as a tablet and the w700 is about the same weight.

Anything over like the iPad 4 weight (1.44) moves it out of the enjoyable tablet use category for me.

megapper 12-01-2012 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bleclair (Post 55551110)
I was loving mine during the few hours I used it then started experiencing "freezing" as well. Then I tried plugging in a USB mouse and it keeps working. It appears the touchscreen just stops responding to touch every so often. Blech. And you have to call Microsoft to get a RMA.

EDIT: Saw Acer had a chat support option so decided to try that. You have to enter the serial from the back of the box to get to chat, and it says my serial number is not valid so I can't use their chat support. Acer, thank you for reminding me why I don't purchase your products.


I am also experiencing this. Happens a lot more while using internet explorer...but it just happens randomly. The only way to get out of it is restart via the power button. Kinda of bummer since I also had these problems in the Samsung Ativ 500T which I returned..

SdFat 12-01-2012 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megapper (Post 55564092)
I am also experiencing this. Happens a lot more while using internet explorer...but it just happens randomly. The only way to get out of it is restart via the power button. Kinda of bummer since I also had these problems in the Samsung Ativ 500T which I returned..

This is what I noticed on 32-bit Windows 8 on all my machines, try install the 64-bit. Seems MS no longer want you to run 32-bit, so it left lots of bugs in this version of Win8. I also found that the 32-bit version has even far more compatibility issues than the 64-bit.

This W510 seems the ideal tablet ever, but I have to confirm two things before I buy:

1) Must run 64-bit Win8 or 32-bit Win7. 32-bit Win8 is a huge "NO" to me.
2) Must do H.264 encoding with PowerDirector.

Can you please test these 2 things? Many thanks!

marriot 12-01-2012 10:44 AM

the z2760 atom in this tablet is 32bit only, and i don't think it officially supports win7. you might be able to hack win7 on top of this but your battery life will go down the drain for sure, that's part of the win8 magic here.

one thing you can try is to update your apps/windows if you haven't, and disable flash player to see if the issue still occurs.


Quote:

Originally Posted by SdFat (Post 55566276)
This is what I noticed on 32-bit Windows 8 on all my machines, try install the 64-bit. Seems MS no longer want you to run 32-bit, so it left lots of bugs in this version of Win8. I also found that the 32-bit version has even far more compatibility issues than the 64-bit.

This W510 seems the ideal tablet ever, but I have to confirm two things before I buy:

1) Must run 64-bit Win8 or 32-bit Win7. 32-bit Win8 is a huge "NO" to me.
2) Must do H.264 encoding with PowerDirector.

Can you please test these 2 things? Many thanks!


gabe3 12-01-2012 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stingy (Post 55562994)
Samsung series 7 slate with Win 8 works very well. We got it loaded with everything we got in the help desk and runs very smooth. If you could find this slate even at $799, grab it. Been watching a few used/refurbs and so far they're just too expensive. If you could wait a bit, Acer's W700 model should also be available. I wanted the $999 model of this series that has equivalent specs with Sam Series 7 slate.

thanks for the info. i think the only reason to get a refurb is if it has a warranty. if you buy a refirb on ebay I don't think the warranty would apply to you(the second owner).

heres a refirb on tiger direct, says it has 3 year warranty for $800 after rebate:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applic...nAodTSEAVQ

$800 is over my budget though. If you hunt on ebay, and refresh often, you can get the 128gb for $650 used.

travfar 12-01-2012 11:10 AM

I blew this off during the deal. Now I'm kind of pissed at myself for missing it.

MikeM4881 12-01-2012 02:56 PM

Regarding performance - I noticed while updating Acer's programs that Windows Defender was *really* grinding the machine to a halt with its real time scans. If you don't mind the additional security risk, I'd recommend disabling real time protection in windows defender and scheduling a weekly (or however often you want) task to update defender then another task to run after that to run a full scan.

Educational links for those inclined to learn how to do this:

Using Task Scheduler:
http://voices.yahoo.com/how-windo...17970.html

Running Windows Defender from the command line (what you'll feed to task manager to launch)
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-u...31918.aspx

alien4 12-01-2012 03:01 PM

if anyone wants to trade this for my barely used white Samsung Note 10.1, PM me.

Benn00 12-01-2012 04:42 PM

Hate to use this forum as the tech support but can't find anyone else talking about this tablet. Anyone that has one able to get a microsd card working? When i insert one nothing happens, in the device manager it is showing a sd card manager device with an I/O error but it only appears when the card is in. Thanks

travfar 12-01-2012 04:46 PM

If anyone wants to trade this for my brand new and sealed grey 32GB Samsung Note 10.1, PM me.

stingy 12-01-2012 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bleclair (Post 55563546)
Yeah, I really liked mine except for the fact it was pretty heavy to use as a tablet and the w700 is about the same weight.

Anything over like the iPad 4 weight (1.44) moves it out of the enjoyable tablet use category for me.

The Sammy is much better weight-wise compared to my Asus EP121. But for functionality, it really performs very well.

bleclair 12-01-2012 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benn00 (Post 55574922)
Hate to use this forum as the tech support but can't find anyone else talking about this tablet. Anyone that has one able to get a microsd card working? When i insert one nothing happens, in the device manager it is showing a sd card manager device with an I/O error but it only appears when the card is in. Thanks

My 32gb worked fine. Are you using a card bigger than that? I think someone said that might be the max.

Microsoft is taking their sweet time sending my return label so I played with mine a bit more. Tried to restore again and now the touchscreen isn't responding even in the UEFI bios. Back in the box it went! Not messing with it anymore.

Ordered the 64gb w/ keyboard from buy.com. In stock for $709 and 5% cashback with my Discover card.

Benn00 12-02-2012 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bleclair (Post 55579476)
My 32gb worked fine. Are you using a card bigger than that? I think someone said that might be the max.

Microsoft is taking their sweet time sending my return label so I played with mine a bit more. Tried to restore again and now the touchscreen isn't responding even in the UEFI bios. Back in the box it went! Not messing with it anymore.

Ordered the 64gb w/ keyboard from buy.com. In stock for $709 and 5% cashback with my Discover card.

Mannn did i F-Up my tablet lol, I deleted a system file being an idiot, couldnt boot up, recovery didn't have a restore point and they didn't include any recovery media. Acer is saying my product serial number doesn't exist so I can't get a real person on the phone. I had to install a clean version of Windows 8 i got off usenet and none of the drivers are installed. AND they arnt available for download on the website. Go me!!! lol

gtamega 12-02-2012 03:01 AM

450 shipped ,anyone? pm me
Fun toy but i can't give up on my notebook yet. :-)

ajamils 12-02-2012 03:03 AM

Any good reviews out there? I'm really tempted to try out the 64GB version that comes with the dock (to replace my Asus Infinity)

bleclair 12-02-2012 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benn00 (Post 55587424)
Mannn did i F-Up my tablet lol, I deleted a system file being an idiot, couldnt boot up, recovery didn't have a restore point and they didn't include any recovery media. Acer is saying my product serial number doesn't exist so I can't get a real person on the phone. I had to install a clean version of Windows 8 i got off usenet and none of the drivers are installed. AND they arnt available for download on the website. Go me!!! lol

Those three DVDs in the box aren't restore media, or you don't have an external drive?

luminosius 12-02-2012 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by max1001 (Post 55551804)
LOL. You know what's how ANY OS has been managing memory since the 80s.

Actually this is more drastic than just playing with swap file, which I assume is what you are thinking of. This is the OS picking and KILLING processes when under memory contention. (But giving the processes a few sec to save and finish whatever they are doing before getting slaughtered.)

No I don't think Windows 7 or other recent Windows did that. :)

luminosius 12-02-2012 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benn00 (Post 55587424)
Mannn did i F-Up my tablet lol, I deleted a system file being an idiot, couldnt boot up, recovery didn't have a restore point and they didn't include any recovery media. Acer is saying my product serial number doesn't exist so I can't get a real person on the phone. I had to install a clean version of Windows 8 i got off usenet and none of the drivers are installed. AND they arnt available for download on the website. Go me!!! lol

Mine had recovery media. Full manual on the machine tells you how to use it, provided you have an external DVD. (The full manual was installed on my machine, presumably this one online is same thing though it's taking forever to download from Acer so I haven't verified.)

http://support.acer.com/br/produc...delId=4549

luminosius 12-02-2012 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajamils (Post 55588386)
Any good reviews out there? I'm really tempted to try out the 64GB version that comes with the dock (to replace my Asus Infinity)

I'm loving mine so far, as a basic tablet with light gaming, after spending pretty much a good chunk of today with it. (Enough playing to drain out the full battery.)

Seems like there's definitely some bug with the touch screen though. I saw the touch screen stop responding once today. Doesn't bug me too much though. I just hard-resetted it. I'm not going to do mission-critical things on a tablet anyway.

I plan to post up a full impression once I get more time with it.

DealGypsy 12-02-2012 06:05 AM

Sticking with my iPad till I find something else I want!

sxw88 12-02-2012 09:09 AM

Anyone has a slight dark hue on the bottom and top of the IPS panel? It's just enough to bother me when reading on white backgrounds.

luminosius 12-02-2012 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sxw88 (Post 55592494)
Anyone has a slight dark hue on the bottom and top of the IPS panel? It's just enough to bother me when reading on white backgrounds.

Me too. Just not enough to bother me. In fact, didn't notice until you mentioned it and I go load up a book in kindle to check.....

compusascam 12-02-2012 07:06 PM

ips panel is like ipad & iphone...all gimmicky bs tailored to idiots

alien4 12-02-2012 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sxw88 (Post 55592494)
Anyone has a slight dark hue on the bottom and top of the IPS panel? It's just enough to bother me when reading on white backgrounds.

a lot of reviews also mention light bleeding on these acer models

luminosius 12-02-2012 08:03 PM

Ok, used this thing reasonably extensively throughout the weekend....here's my layman's impression of the tablet (not Win8....you can read about changes in the OS elsewhere). I'd imagine the other atom-based tablets have similar performance, etc. I've also upgraded this tablet to pro (using the build-in add feature support in Win8). So that I can get media center. This should have no impact on what I sayother than yours won't have media center on it. Pro doesn't have anything that makes the OS faster (if anything, slower from the extra features.)

Note that this machine has all windows update applied to it. I'm betting without it it'll likely crash a lot more.



Build:
Looks well-built and solid. Chassis is definitely plastic but it doesn't look plastic-y. Choice of white-matt brim on front is a bit weird if you ask me, but it isn't bad. Back is painted silver, but not the type that attracts fingerprint, which is nice. Speaker is very loud for a tablet, though not high quality. Also in a very bad location, pretty much on lower left/right side where your hand normally would muffle it if you are holding it. Note that this thing is supposedly thinner and lighter than the newest ipad, though I think the wide-screen ratio makes it feel a bit heavier if held with one hand.



Screen:
Still trying to figure out if this is gorilla glass or plastic. I read somewhere it's gorilla glass but I can't tell. Whoever said the display is matt....nope, it's very shiny. Definitely glares in the sun, but looks nice and sharp. Resolution is 1366x768. It may not be retina-display level of DPI, but at regular-viewing distance, I think ppl would be hard-pressed to say the pixels are too big.



Storage:
32gb in total, which as others have point out, OS takes up a chunk. ~10gb for OS plus some default apps excluding office. Office trial is like 2gb, which I uninstalled right away. Then there's ~2gb for virtual memory and 2gb for hibernation file, so that's around 14-15gb gone from the get go. For those that thinks the remaining 17gb isn't enough though, I tried my best to fill it with all the app that looks remotely decent in store, and I still have 3gb left. Just as a count, I installed:

- 6 productivity/connectivity apps (e.g. Lync, Skype)
- 7 video apps (e.g. Netflix, Hulu+, ABC player, youtube player.....)
- 4 music apps (e.g. iHeartRadio, Slacker, Shazam....)
- 5 shopping apps (e.g. newegg, ebay, amazon, digital folio)
- 10 drawing/photo apps (e.g. Autodesk Sketchbook, Fresh Paint, PhotoFUnia....)
- 6 cooking/food apps (e.g. Cookbook, Allrecipes, epicurious, Urbanspoon, FoodGraphic (3rd-party yelp)...)
- 28 news apps (e.g. WSJ, ABC news, NBC news, Fox news, New York Times, Stumbler, Wonderwall, engadget...)
- 7 book/reading apps (e.g.kindle, Kobo, wikipedia...)
- 19 games (just about every XBox Live game on it right now...including Fruit Ninja, Cut the Rope, Angry Birds Star Wars, Angry Birds Space, Pinball FX2, Hydro Thunder Hurricane...)
- 10 miscellaneous apps (e.g. Evernote, Skitch, a calculator, a weird app that makes spa-ish nature sounds....)

So if you don't think there's enough space for more than a handful of apps....I think you'll be surprised how much you can fit.

For some additional ideas on how big some apps are (Win8 has a handy list showing app apps you installed and how big they are):

Biggest apps on my machine (usually games):

- Reckless Racing Ultimate - 569mb
- Hydro Thunder Hurricane - 462mb
- ilomilo plus - 393mb
- 4 Elements II Special Edition - 291mb
- Mail, CLander, People, and MEssaging - 237mb

Majority of apps tend to be more like 20mb each. e.g. most news, photo apps, drawing apps, etc. Only 15 apps out of my giant list above is bigger than 100mb. So, is 32gb good enough? I'd say it's at least a usable size. Don't forget you can store your docs / videos / etc. on the microSD card (though I haven't tested it....my card is on backorder.) This is also one area where this really shines for me over an ipad....being able to save stuff to file system, and having apps be able to acess the file system. On my ipod touch, it used to drive me nuts figuring out how to get proprietary files not supported on itune to apps I want to view a document/file in, since apps don't seem to share storage space. Now I can just save the files on the file system and have various apps be able to access it.



General Performance:

As long as you stay in the win8 modern UI, everything's fast and snappy. Most apps I tried are performant enough. (More on that later.) You'd be surprised how decent a 2gb atom machine feels, mainly because OS knows to save state / kill apps for you if you are running low on memory, so that OS always feel snappy. But....as soon as you go into desktop mode, it reminds me of the old days of using a netbook. Everything's a little laggy, and it doesn't help how hard it is to click around with finger on the desktop. Will likely make you want to destroy the machine. If you want to use desktop extensively, this is not the machine for you. Works well if you only want desktop as a fallback though.



Startup Performance:

From a shutted down machine to seeing log-in screen - 10 sec. This includes the UEFI posting. (Note that this includes the win8 "cheat" that makes "cold" boot faster since it's not really cold. Some kernel stuff are safe. Just about no users will do a full cold boot anyway since you need command line. Sleep/wake is pretty much instantaneous.



Video Performance:

For those wondering about video performance, it looks like GPU-video decoding is supported. I installed shark's codec and tried a variety of 720p/1080p video and have absolutely no problem. Granted I didn't do a super-thorough check of different file types (too much effort to look into each file and use gspot to tell what bitrate everything is. If only there's a sample video pack for this type of testing somewhere out there to download.) Any case, I throw some 720p mkv file (though dunno what's the video codec inside), some 1080p h264 mov, some 1080p wtv (media center) file, some 1080p rmvb, some DVDs mounted in ISO format, some 1080p avi....so far, everything's running smoothly.

On the other hand, no luck so far getting PowerDVD to work with some BD-5 rips. The program keeps erroring out about can't read the mounted image. Strange.



Non-game App Performance:

Tried all the apps above, the only one with noticeable issue are drawing apps. In particular, those with really cool brushes like Fresh Paint that lets you blend paint on the brush stroke over each other (kinda like ArtRage) lags a lot. Other apps were all fine.



Game Performance:

Game is more of a hit-and-miss. I tested every game above for at least a level or two. Some games I'm amazed it even works, other I'm amazed it is laggy. Like, Hydro Thunder and pinball will run at a playable (but not great) framerate (15 fps I'd guess?), which is amazing for an atom / integrated chip, since they both looks 3d-intensive. On the other hand, can't understand how mah jong (the old matching tile game) and minesweeper can possibly feel slow. A few apps crashes outright (Adera, Gravity Guy, 4 Elements II. Fruit Ninja also crashes in end-round animation.) I'll assume it's the graphics driver's fault. So it seems like the graphic driver is surprisingly sufficient for casual touch games, if it doesn't crash. I think this is a good laptop if gaming is just something you'd like as an option. (i.e. if a game doesn't work you're not going to throw a tantrum.)



Stability:

Hmmm.... over the weekend of extensive usage (pretty much bring it everywhere and show to everyone I run into), 1 touch-screen hang where I have to reboot to get touch back, and 2 audio bugs where I have to reboot to get audio back. I'm assuming both driver issues.


Battery:

Very solid battery. I think it really is enough to survive a day of use without charge. Don't really feel like running a real battery test on it, but I don't think there'd be any complaints here.



Annoying bugs:

Touch screen / audio driver dying is obviously annoying. Another annoying design I haven't found a workaround for is pressing the windows key also wakes the machine up.....really? Sometimes I'd wake it by mistake when carrying it around. Now I learn to carry it upside-down to avoid touching that button.



Is it worth it:

I'd say, if you are looking for a tablet where you plan to mainly stay in modern Win8 experience, but like having a fallback to desktop if necessary (and to get all those old video codecs...my main reason for getting this). And if gaming is a nicety rather than a requirement, you really can't beat this. At $400 it's a steal. Even at $500 I might consider it. I'm happy in any case. :D

gabe3 12-02-2012 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compusascam (Post 55606848)
ips panel is like ipad & iphone...all gimmicky bs tailored to idiots

better viewing angles and color reproduction are not gimmicks.

the4aileys 12-02-2012 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luminosius (Post 55608160)
Ok, used this thing reasonably extensively throughout the weekend....here's my layman's impression of the tablet (not Win8....you can read about changes in the OS elsewhere). I'd imagine the other atom-based tablets have similar performance, etc. I've also upgraded this tablet to pro (using the build-in add feature support in Win8). So that I can get media center. This should have no impact on what I sayother than yours won't have media center on it. Pro doesn't have anything that makes the OS faster (if anything, slower from the extra features.)

Note that this machine has all windows update applied to it. I'm betting without it it'll likely crash a lot more.



Build:
Looks well-built and solid. Chassis is definitely plastic but it doesn't look plastic-y. Choice of white-matt brim on front is a bit weird if you ask me, but it isn't bad. Back is painted silver, but not the type that attracts fingerprint, which is nice. Speaker is very loud for a tablet, though not high quality. Also in a very bad location, pretty much on lower left/right side where your hand normally would muffle it if you are holding it.



Screen:
Still trying to figure out if this is gorilla glass or plastic. I read somewhere it's gorilla glass but I can't tell. Whoever said the display is matt....nope, it's very shiny. Definitely glares in the sun, but looks nice and sharp. Resolution is 1366x768. It may not be retina-display level of DPI, but at regular-viewing distance, I think ppl would be hard-pressed to say the pixels are too big.



Storage:
32gb in total, which as others have point out, OS takes up a chunk. ~10gb for OS plus some default apps excluding office. Office trial is like 2gb, which I uninstalled right away. Then there's ~2gb for virtual memory and 2gb for hibernation file, so that's around 14-15gb gone from the get go. For those that thinks the remaining 17gb isn't enough though, I tried my best to fill it with all the app that looks remotely decent in store, and I still have 3gb left. Just as a count, I installed:

- 6 productivity/connectivity apps (e.g. Lync, Skype)
- 7 video apps (e.g. Netflix, Hulu+, ABC player, youtube player.....)
- 4 music apps (e.g. iHeartRadio, Slacker, Shazam....)
- 5 shopping apps (e.g. newegg, ebay, amazon, digital folio)
- 10 drawing/photo apps (e.g. Autodesk Sketchbook, Fresh Paint, PhotoFUnia....)
- 6 cooking/food apps (e.g. Cookbook, Allrecipes, epicurious, Urbanspoon, FoodGraphic (3rd-party yelp)...)
- 28 news apps (e.g. WSJ, ABC news, NBC news, Fox news, New York Times, Stumbler, Wonderwall, engadget...)
- 7 book/reading apps (e.g.kindle, Kobo, wikipedia...)
- 19 games (just about every XBox Live game on it right now...including Fruit Ninja, Cut the Rope, Angry Birds Star Wars, Angry Birds Space, Pinball FX2, Hydro Thunder Hurricane...)
- 10 miscellaneous apps (e.g. Evernote, Skitch, a calculator, a weird app that makes spa-ish nature sounds....)

So if you don't think there's enough space for more than a handful of apps....I think you'll be surprised how much you can fit.

For some additional ideas on how big some apps are (Win8 has a handy list showing app apps you installed and how big they are):

Biggest apps on my machine (usually games):

- Reckless Racing Ultimate - 569mb
- Hydro Thunder Hurricane - 462mb
- ilomilo plus - 393mb
- 4 Elements II Special Edition - 291mb
- Mail, CLander, People, and MEssaging - 237mb

Majority of apps tend to be more like 20mb each. e.g. most news, photo apps, drawing apps, etc. Only 15 apps out of my giant list above is bigger than 100mb. So, is 32gb good enough? I'd say it's at least a usable size. Don't forget you can store your docs / videos / etc. on the microSD card (though I haven't tested it....my card is on backorder.) This is also one area where this really shines for me over an ipad....being able to save stuff to file system, and having apps be able to acess the file system. On my ipod touch, it used to drive me nuts figuring out how to get proprietary files not supported on itune to apps I want to view a document/file in, since apps don't seem to share storage space. Now I can just save the files on the file system and have various apps be able to access it.



General Performance:

As long as you stay in the win8 modern UI, everything's fast and snappy. Most apps I tried are performant enough. (More on that later.) You'd be surprised how decent a 2gb atom machine feels, mainly because OS knows to save state / kill apps for you if you are running low on memory, so that OS always feel snappy. But....as soon as you go into desktop mode, it reminds me of the old days of using a netbook. Everything's a little laggy, and it doesn't help how hard it is to click around with finger on the desktop. Will likely make you want to destroy the machine. If you want to use desktop extensively, this is not the machine for you. Works well if you only want desktop as a fallback though.



Startup Performance:

From a shutted down machine to seeing log-in screen - 10 sec. This includes the UEFI posting. (Note that this includes the win8 "cheat" that makes "cold" boot faster since it's not really cold. Some kernel stuff are safe. Just about no users will do a full cold boot anyway since you need command line. Sleep/wake is pretty much instantaneous.



Video Performance:

For those wondering about video performance, it looks like GPU-video decoding is supported. I installed shark's codec and tried a variety of 720p/1080p video and have absolutely no problem. Granted I didn't do a super-thorough check of different file types (too much effort to look into each file and use gspot to tell what bitrate everything is. If only there's a sample video pack for this type of testing somewhere out there to download.) Any case, I throw some 720p mkv file (though dunno what's the video codec inside), some 1080p h264 mov, some 1080p wtv (media center) file, some 1080p rmvb, some DVDs mounted in ISO format, some 1080p avi....so far, everything's running smoothly.

On the other hand, no luck so far getting PowerDVD to work with some BD-5 rips. The program keeps erroring out about can't read the mounted image. Strange.



Non-game App Performance:

Tried all the apps above, the only one with noticeable issue are drawing apps. In particular, those with really cool brushes like Fresh Paint that lets you blend paint on the brush stroke over each other (kinda like ArtRage) lags a lot. Other apps were all fine.



Game Performance:

Game is more of a hit-and-miss. I tested every game above for at least a level or two. Some games I'm amazed it even works, other I'm amazed it is laggy. Like, Hydro Thunder and pinball will run at a playable (but not great) framerate (15 fps I'd guess?), which is amazing for an atom / integrated chip, since they both looks 3d-intensive. On the other hand, can't understand how mah jong (the old matching tile game) and minesweeper can possibly feel slow. A few apps crashes outright (Adera, Gravity Guy, 4 Elements II. Fruit Ninja also crashes in end-round animation.) I'll assume it's the graphics driver's fault. So it seems like the graphic driver is surprisingly sufficient for casual touch games, if it doesn't crash. I think this is a good laptop if gaming is just something you'd like as an option. (i.e. if a game doesn't work you're not going to throw a tantrum.)



Stability:

Hmmm.... over the weekend of extensive usage (pretty much bring it everywhere and show to everyone I run into), 1 touch-screen hang where I have to reboot to get touch back, and 2 audio bugs where I have to reboot to get audio back. I'm assuming both driver issues.



Annoying bugs:

Touch screen / audio driver dying is obviously annoying. Another annoying design I haven't found a workaround for is pressing the windows key also wakes the machine up.....really? Sometimes I'd wake it by mistake when carrying it around. Now I learn to carry it upside-down to avoid touching that button.



Is it worth it:

I'd say, if you are looking for a tablet where you plan to mainly stay in modern Win8 experience, but like having a fallback to desktop if necessary (and to get all those old video codecs...my main reason for getting this). And if gaming is a nicety rather than a requirement, you really can't beat this. At $400 it's a steal. Even at $500 I might consider it. I'm happy in any case. :D

Thank you for the thorough review of this tablet. I have left mine in the box and waited till I hear some feedback on it before opening it but with your review I'll think I just might keep it.

superflysocal 12-02-2012 08:31 PM

One thing about (which is more generalized) Windows and atom that I remember is that when I first got my first gen netbook, I thought it was rather snappy. I don't think I was alone in this. After using it a bit for 1 month and installing lots of stuff, things started to drag including boot up, and general web use.

I don't know how this new Atom is or Win 8 is, but that alwyas concern me about Windows. First use always seems great, but after installing lots of program (and with each program adding something to boot-up or loading something in memeory, it starts to drag.

Personally I will wait to see how these fare a few months from now, don't need it right now, but glad reviews are decent for now.
Thanks Op and all the "reviews"

luminosius 12-02-2012 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the4aileys (Post 55608522)
Thank you for the thorough review of this tablet. I have left mine in the box and waited till I hear some feedback on it before opening it but with your review I'll think I just might keep it.

You're welcome. I updated the post about battery life because I just realized I forgot to mention it, but basically no complaints there either. Seems like it'll last a full day without charge easy.

MikeM4881 12-03-2012 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luminosius (Post 55608866)
You're welcome. I updated the post about battery life because I just realized I forgot to mention it, but basically no complaints there either. Seems like it'll last a full day without charge easy.

After a long weekend with the tablet I agree with your assessment. I was even able to install Virtualbox and windows xp (just to see if I could). The virtual machine actually ran quickly! I was also able to get a steady >30 fps playing Torchlight 1 in "netbook mode" (full screen, 13XX by 7XX resolution), after plugging in a keyboard and mouse.

cocokaka 12-03-2012 12:47 PM

One down side of this tablet is that It doens't run bluestack. I will post solution if I find one. About the windows 32bit or 64bit I don't think it's a problem since ddram is only 2gb so doesn't make any different if you have 32 or 64bit windows.

ClementeB 12-04-2012 08:46 AM

Wow, I got this tablet yesterday and I have to say..WOW!!! Battery life is very impressive after 23 hours of use (internet, 1080p videos, WiFi Bluetooth, reading, games etc), I still have 10 percent. Atom processor in this device is WAY AHEAD of the old Atom processor, Intel should have named it differently. I don't know what Intel and Microsoft did, but this thing is GREAT!!! Thanks for this post!!

SdFat 12-04-2012 12:17 PM

Reading all these stability problems that also happen on all my 32-bit Win8 tablets and notebooks, I wonder if they are driver issues that can be fixed by Acer, or 32-bit Win8's problems that MS will ever fix them?

luminosius 12-05-2012 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SdFat (Post 55675538)
Reading all these stability problems that also happen on all my 32-bit Win8 tablets and notebooks, I wonder if they are driver issues that can be fixed by Acer, or 32-bit Win8's problems that MS will ever fix them?

Hmmmm...my 32-bit win8 notebook and desktop works fine.....normally I blame Intel for crappy graphics driver. ;)

wowzerz711 12-11-2012 04:04 PM

got mine today. super thin, and very responsive. need to get used to windows 8 on tab but shouldnt be too hard.

only thing is sometimes virtual keyboard doesnt come up right away

link626 12-11-2012 04:10 PM

Atom netbooks used to be $199.

So what makes a touchscreen Atom worth double that, especially with Acer's crappier build quality ?

kris259 12-11-2012 04:32 PM

I think its a good deal, was tempted...but I really want to see what the surface pro has to offer in the coming new year.... Im still not sold on win8 just yet, but then again ive not used it at length on a touch based device... ill be interested in what those of you who got one have to say about it

WitnessX 12-11-2012 04:55 PM

I have the Iconia W500 with the AMD processor running at 1ghz, and it runs Win8 very well. Took a stab at the Dell ST deal - what a piece of crap! Because of the Dell ST, I'm wary of the Atom performance - haven't tried it in the store. If it's zippy as some has said here, this is a great deal. Build quality on my 500 is solid, so I'd expect the same on this.

WitnessX 12-11-2012 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kris259 (Post 55943176)
I think its a good deal, was tempted...but I really want to see what the surface pro has to offer in the coming new year.... Im still not sold on win8 just yet, but then again ive not used it at length on a touch based device... ill be interested in what those of you who got one have to say about it

I too was waiting for the Surface Pro. The RT gave me a sense of how the hardware was designed, and it's fantastic. Problem is, Surface Pro will run in excess of $900+. Way too expensive, just like the RT - should have been priced at $399. If you get this deal, I think you'll be happy with it. I bought the W500 from Microsoft Store - was on the fence about it, but they have a good return policy. I've since kept it.

stubbornboy 12-11-2012 05:02 PM

So if just wanting to use metro apps, this or the Asus vivotab for the same price?

Gabik123 12-11-2012 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stubbornboy (Post 55943956)
So if just wanting to use metro apps, this or the Asus vivotab for the same price?

vivo tab - the keyboard attachment is much better and the extended battery in that attachment rocks. The atom processor is buggy as all hell in windows due to bad drivers for video (try playing Armed! on RT vs. an Atom-based tablet and you will see what I mean...)

kris259 12-11-2012 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WitnessX (Post 55943802)
I too was waiting for the Surface Pro. The RT gave me a sense of how the hardware was designed, and it's fantastic. Problem is, Surface Pro will run in excess of $900+. Way too expensive, just like the RT - should have been priced at $399. If you get this deal, I think you'll be happy with it. I bought the W500 from Microsoft Store - was on the fence about it, but they have a good return policy. I've since kept it.

thanks for the info...thats sorta why I was waiting, wanted to see what the actual price of the S Pro would be.. Ive saved up a little extra spending cash from cash back etc, so was looking to splurge a little and getting a windows 8 top tier tablet (whatever that may be) was about all I can think of splurging on right now...LOL.. but not in a rush and so I was just waiting for the right time and deal to pull the trigger...

do they have a surface pro prototype/demo at these microsoft retail stores? My city has a MS store so I was thinking of checking it out finally...

mZimm 12-11-2012 07:58 PM

I don't regret purchasing this due to the full Win 8 experience, but if you're buying this as a companion rather than a actual notebook/laptop replacement, then I'd probably go with the Vivo Tab for $400 solely because it comes with the keyboard included. I haven't found myself ever needing to install non-metro applications, so the Vivo would have served my purposes the same and I'd have the extra use of the dock/keyboard + extra battery as well for the same price.

ClementeB 12-11-2012 08:01 PM

Still using this device and I am still VERY impressed!! Battery life is incredible! Not experiencing any slow downs as of yet and still fast. Updated the drivers from Acer website which updated the firmware too :) will post if I get any issues from the update but so far running GREAT! For 399, its a great deal. I doubt that the Surface Pro will have this kind of battery life but we will see.

WitnessX 12-12-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kris259 (Post 55949032)
do they have a surface pro prototype/demo at these microsoft retail stores? My city has a MS store so I was thinking of checking it out finally...

They will when it is released. If you haven't already checked out the RT, play with that in store as it will be essentially the same, but a little thicker. The keyboard options are nice, but the Touch Cover does need some getting used to before you can type accurately. ;)

ClementeB 01-05-2013 06:22 AM

Ok, I still love this tablet but unfortunately the right speaker died so im returning it.

elphoenix 03-19-2013 01:31 PM

does this model have a sim card slot? the review models all over the internet have sim card slots. Also the pictures on acer.com have sim card slots. Need to get confirmation from somebody!


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