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deelseaker 12-07-2012 06:37 AM

Lenovo H430-57311430 Desktop PC (Intel Core i5-3330 3GHz Ivy Bridge, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD, DVD Burner, Media Card Reader, Windows 8, 1-year warranty) $400 AC @ Staples.com and In-Store
 
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It is very hard to find an Ivy Bridge i5 in this price range.

Lenovo H430-57311430 Desktop PC [staples.com] (Item# 985090)

$499.99 - $100 coupon [staples.com] = $399.99 + tax + Free Shipping or Store Pickup
  • Intel Core i5-3330 3GHz
  • 8GB DDR3 1333MHz Memory
  • 1TB SATA Hard Drive
  • DVD Burner
  • Media Card Reader
  • Gigabit LAN
  • Windows 8
In-Store Coupon Code: 74570
Online/Phone Coupon Code: 20703

Printable Coupon [staples.com]

yuugotserved 12-07-2012 06:37 AM

Lenovo H430 Desktop: Core i5 3330 3GHz, 8GB DDR3, 1TB HDD, DVD Burner, Windows 8 $400 + Free Shipping
 
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Staples has Lenovo H430 Desktop PC for $500 - $100 off coupon code 20703 = $400 with free shipping. For in-store purchases, use this Printable Coupon. Offer valid through December 8. Thanks deelseaker

Specs
  • Intel Core i5-3330 3GHz
  • 8GB DDR3
  • 1TB Hard Drive
  • Integrated Intel HD graphics
  • DVD Burner
  • Windows 8

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dealcatcher123 12-07-2012 07:45 AM

Staples:Lenovo Desktop H430 Intel Core i5-3330 3GHz Quad-Core Desktop (8GB/1TB) $399.99 AC + tax - B & M
 
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Staples has the Lenovo H430 57311430 Intel Core i5-3330 Quad-Core Ivy Bridge Desktop Computer [staples.com] for a low $399.99 + tax after $100 off coupon for desktops and laptops over $399.

Intel Core i5-3330 3GHz Quad-Core Ivy Bridge; 8GB RAM; 1TB HDD; DVD burner; 802.11n wifi; Windows 8; HDMI; 1yr warranty;

This is not for gaming, probably after GPU upgrade, but very decent family desktop with powerful i5 and 8 GB RAM :look:

hmongsda 12-07-2012 08:12 AM

Sounds like a good deal but I still have my 6 year old Dell Core2 Quad 6600 that works great! Think I'll pass for now! But thumbs up anyways.

dadab 12-07-2012 08:21 AM

Why can't you take 20% off as well?

Edit: My bad. 20% will not work on computers.

dealcatcher123 12-07-2012 08:23 AM

20% off not valid on desktop or laptop computers.

georgekoch 12-07-2012 08:34 AM

Nice find!

Crucial seems to indicate a couple of possible limitations - they have the H430 as having 2 memory slots, only 4 gb to a slot (8gb total). That's usually more than enough for anybody - I have 8gb in my main desktop machine - but there are some scenarios where you want more.

H430 Datasheet is here (warning, PDF)
http://www.lenovo.com/products/us...asheet.pdf

georgekoch 12-07-2012 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dealcatcher123 (Post 55787546)
Intel Core i5-3330 3GHz Quad-Core Ivy Bridge; 8GB RAM; 1TB HDD; DVD burner; 802.11n wifi; Windows 8; HDMI; 1yr warranty;

This is not for gaming, probably after GPU upgrade, but very decent family desktop with powerful i5 and 8 GB RAM :look:

You probably could get a radeon 7750 or geforce 650 in there, and then you'll probably be able to play any pre-2010 game except perhaps Crysis. Otherwise, you'll need to upgrade both the GPU and PSU.

BitterBrian 12-07-2012 08:51 AM

Has anyone verified the $100 coupon works in store? A few months back I tried to redeem the $100 coupon for the $399 Lenovo i3 PC in store and got denied.

bchill 12-07-2012 09:06 AM

This looks like a very good deal.

dealcatcher123 12-07-2012 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BitterBrian (Post 55790056)
Has anyone verified the $100 coupon works in store? A few months back I tried to redeem the $100 coupon for the $399 Lenovo i3 PC in store and got denied.


I got one this morning, $100 coupon went through without any problem or manager intervention.

itschas 12-07-2012 09:39 AM

Actually bought this yesterday for $25 more and they adjusted the price down to new (w/ coupon) price no problem.

dealcatcher123 12-07-2012 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BitterBrian (Post 55790056)
Has anyone verified the $100 coupon works in store? A few months back I tried to redeem the $100 coupon for the $399 Lenovo i3 PC in store and got denied.


Can we upgrade this machine with SSD? How easy to upgrade this? Any thoughts

georgekoch 12-07-2012 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dealcatcher123 (Post 55792194)
Can we upgrade this machine with SSD? How easy to upgrade this? Any thoughts

I don't see why not - it's just another hard drive, and the motherboard should have at least two sata ports.

That being said, crucial seems to indicate that the sata ports are only sata II ports, not sata III ports.

edit: Crucial seems to indicate that the motherboard uses the H61 chipset, but the H430 line also includes sandy bridge chips as well as the ivy bridges. I am not sure if they use a different chipset when it has an ivy bridge chip in it.

itschas 12-07-2012 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dealcatcher123 (Post 55792194)
Can we upgrade this machine with SSD? How easy to upgrade this? Any thoughts

The motherboard has 4 SATA connectors, so yes, prob just need a 2.5" - 3.5" adapter, which a lot of SSD's come with nowadays.

If you want to add a dedicated video card to this machine, you'll likely need a new PSU of at least 400 watts, I think this one is 280

ChuckMiles 12-07-2012 10:08 AM

I got this during a few weeks ago at the same price. Since then, I upgraded memory to 16GB (yes, it has only two mem slots!) and video card to Radeon 6670 (not interested in changing PS). I wanted to upgrade to SSD Sata III; however, the motherboard has Sata II (four available, two taken with HD & DVD drive). I am looking to see if I can add PCI Sata III to the motherboard since I have a couple SSD Sata III in 64GB from Staples deal... And no Wifi Network card if you care.

Quote:

Originally Posted by itschas (Post 55792682)
The motherboard has 4 SATA connectors, so yes, prob just need a 2.5" - 3.5" adapter, which a lot of SSD's come with nowadays.

If you want to add a dedicated video card to this machine, you'll likely need a new PSU of at least 400 watts, I think this one is 280


sd444 12-07-2012 10:26 AM

Took a bit to finally see current Gen i5's at "okay" pricing. Bring on the <$400 i5 deals.

RonPaulFan 12-07-2012 12:13 PM

Is the Leveno preferable to this one? The i5 from what I am reading is about 15% faster than this A8-5600K but this one is $100 less and has USB 3.0 and is expandable to 32GB ram.

http://www.staples.com/HP-Pavilio...uct_990649

RonPaulFan 12-07-2012 12:21 PM

Looks like someone has a post on this already.

http://slickdeals.net/f/5658564-H...taples-B-M

deelseaker 12-07-2012 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonPaulFan (Post 55798138)
Is the Leveno preferable to this one? The i5 from what I am reading is about 15% faster than this A8-5600K but this one is $100 less and has USB 3.0 and is expandable to 32GB ram.

http://www.staples.com/HP-Pavilio...uct_990649

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonPaulFan (Post 55798468)
Looks like someone has a post on this already.

http://slickdeals.net/f/5658564-H...taples-B-M

That's actually me as well. :) Well, if you don't feel you need the faster CPU, you won't be disappointed with the AMD-based HP at that price. Plus, if you do any casual gaming at all or plan to use it as an HTPC, the powerful integrated graphics are a plus.

On the other hand, if you plan to keep the PC for a while, go with the i5. You can add a $40 graphics card down the line. Yes, it will end up being about $150 more than the AMD system, but in 3 years it may mean not having to look for a replacement because the AMD system seems sluggish. I expect the faster i5 processor to be a bit more future-proof.

STROBIST 12-07-2012 04:52 PM

I'm in for one. Not a bad price for a local purchase of an i5 Ivy Bridge. I'll throw in a Radeon 7870 (and power supply) and make my son pretty happy on Christmas morning - especially since he is thinking that he is getting my 3 year old Acer desktop!

Thanks for the post.

Rumstocker 12-07-2012 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deelseaker (Post 55798832)
That's actually me as well. :) Well, if you don't feel you need the faster CPU, you won't be disappointed with the AMD-based HP at that price. Plus, if you do any casual gaming at all or plan to use it as an HTPC, the powerful integrated graphics are a plus.

On the other hand, if you plan to keep the PC for a while, go with the i5. You can add a $40 graphics card down the line. Yes, it will end up being about $150 more than the AMD system, but in 3 years it may mean not having to look for a replacement because the AMD system seems sluggish. I expect the faster i5 processor to be a bit more future-proof.


do the amd's become sluggish? Or r u saying that the amd will just seem more sluggish down the road because its slower?

deelseaker 12-07-2012 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rumstocker (Post 55810790)
Or r u saying that the amd will just seem more sluggish down the road because its slower?

Yeah, that. You should skim the discussion there. I just posted an opinion about that CPU there. I don't want to duplicate it here.

Link to my relevant post there:
http://slickdeals.net/f/5658564-H...st55810716

mecfire 12-07-2012 08:06 PM

Staples also has the HP P7-1446s with the AMD A10-5700 and HD 7660D graphics for the same prices as this i5 lenovo. Any suggestions on which would be better for playing games on? I'm not sure if I plan to upgrade the graphics card or not. Thanks for the input!

mystic818 12-07-2012 08:32 PM

thanks - ended up ordering one online.

lou85_hf 12-07-2012 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mecfire (Post 55812272)
Staples also has the HP P7-1446s with the AMD A10-5700 and HD 7660D graphics for the same prices as this i5 lenovo. Any suggestions on which would be better for playing games on? I'm not sure if I plan to upgrade the graphics card or not. Thanks for the input!

What kind of games? casual online games or more demanding games? I'd say that the AMD A10-5700 paired with the HD 7660D is better for games, right now. But if you actually invest in a graphics card on the i5 one then that will be better, but at the same time you'd most likely have to buy a power supply with more wattage.

manatee 12-07-2012 09:41 PM

If someone already has this, can you please post the Windows experience index? I have a 4 year old computer that I'm thinking of getting rid of. It has CPU and RAM scores of 5.

Action101 12-07-2012 09:43 PM

u throw in the monitor and mouse and keyboard.....yes...

deelseaker 12-07-2012 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manatee (Post 55814348)
If someone already has this, can you please post the Windows experience index? I have a 4 year old computer that I'm thinking of getting rid of. It has CPU and RAM scores of 5.

Just do it. :D

getbigtony 12-07-2012 09:46 PM

$400 for a family browsing machine seems expensive to me these days. Rather get a laptop to bring it room to room.
Or as most that browse for parts on here do, build your own for that price.

mecfire 12-07-2012 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lou85_hf (Post 55814198)
What kind of games? casual online games or more demanding games? I'd say that the AMD A10-5700 paired with the HD 7660D is better for games, right now. But if you actually invest in a graphics card on the i5 one then that will be better, but at the same time you'd most likely have to buy a power supply with more wattage.

X-Plane 10 and COD Black Ops II most likely. I don't need a monster system, but would like something that plays well and can show a decent amount of detail.

Thanks!

lou85_hf 12-07-2012 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manatee (Post 55814348)
If someone already has this, can you please post the Windows experience index? I have a 4 year old computer that I'm thinking of getting rid of. It has CPU and RAM scores of 5.

what are planning on doing? an i5 processor is good enough for various tasks and guaranteed to give you more than 5 on that index.

manatee 12-07-2012 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lou85_hf (Post 55814980)
what are planning on doing? an i5 processor is good enough for various tasks and guaranteed to give you more than 5 on that index.

I will definitely upgrade the PS and get a better video card, something like GTX 660 Ti. I am basically sick of playing games like Chivalry at 15 FPS and Black OPs 1 (the one from 2 years ago) at 1024x768 resolution on my current desktop. I know they put pretty bad parts in these prebuilt computers (the one I have is pre-built and it has so many limitations). I was wondering if there will be some bottlenecks in playing games on high quality with that video card in this desktop.

lou85_hf 12-07-2012 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mecfire (Post 55814448)
X-Plane 10 and COD Black Ops II most likely. I don't need a monster system, but would like something that plays well and can show a decent amount of detail.

Thanks!

Playing on a 720p resolution with with medium details should be very playable with the AMD 5700 apu. Playing wit ultra settings and on 1080p might be pushing it without a dedicated card. One thing is for sure though, the Lenovo will not be able to play those games as is. You'll definitely need a discrete card.

Hrshycro 12-07-2012 10:18 PM

Hmm, best I've seen in awhile. No clients need a new desktop right now, though. And I'll be sticking with my MacBook Pro with Retina for the next few years. :D

firelikeiya 12-07-2012 10:19 PM

If anyone is wondering, Windows 8 sucks for a desktop. Its fast but definitely more suited towards a tablet environment. If you can find a Windows 7 desktop you would probably enjoy it more.

lou85_hf 12-07-2012 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manatee (Post 55815414)
I will definitely upgrade the PS and get a better video card, something like GTX 660 Ti. I am basically sick of playing games like Chivalry at 15 FPS and Black OPs 1 (the one from 2 years ago) at 1024x768 resolution on my current desktop. I know they put pretty bad parts in these prebuilt computers (the one I have is pre-built and it has so many limitations). I was wondering if there will be some bottlenecks in playing games on high quality with that video card in this desktop.

The GTX 660 Ti is solid for gaming. The processor will not be the bottleneck. It's also pretty good. Not THE recommended one out there but will allow you to play with high settings and FPS greater than 15.

needgeech 12-07-2012 10:25 PM

I'm not going to say "I could build it cheaper--my dad has the ultimate set of tools". . .

But I regularly see dell outlet xps 8500 units (with the same warranty, plus accidental included) for $499 if you look hard enough. Every couple of weeks they go 25% off, bringing it to $400+tax same as Staples. . .
But
It has a i5-3450
460w psw
hd 7750 gpu or for $20 more you can find it w/a gt 640
sat III
Can sweeten the deal with gift card bonuses.

Its not like I'm comparing a BF deal; its not on today, but is literally on every 2-3 weeks.
If you need a computer today, or have rewards $ to burn on this and this only I understand.

But if you need to upgrade the PSW to upgrade the GPU; why not look elsewhere.
If you are ok with integrated HD2500 or 2000 graphics. . .I bought a dell 2330 23" LED all in one yesterday (refurb with 1 year wrnty) with a i5-2500 3.3ghz 1tb, 6GB, etc for $295 + tax. . .$319.55 and paid for with it with a bought a $400 GC/get $75 bonus, so I paid $400 for it and still have $155 to spend at dell otherwise.

When this is at $399 and I can use a $100 coupon I will bite, maybe

localboy808 12-07-2012 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonPaulFan (Post 55798138)
Is the Leveno preferable to this one? The i5 from what I am reading is about 15% faster than this A8-5600K but this one is $100 less and has USB 3.0 and is expandable to 32GB ram.

http://www.staples.com/HP-Pavilio...uct_990649

Both processor are plenty powerful for most people's needs. I will definitely not notice the 15% processor performance difference because I won't need it, however, will notice the extra $100 in my pocket...and I like that! I'll spend the $100 on a graphics card and it will put the Leveno to shame at the same price. Go with the HP (if you can find one)...it's a no-brainner. I got 2 so far and I'm getting a third tomorrow morning.

lou85_hf 12-07-2012 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by localboy808 (Post 55815818)
Both processor are plenty powerful for most people's needs. I will definitely not notice the 15% processor performance difference because I won't need it, however, will notice the extra $100 in my pocket...and I like that! I'll spend the $100 on a graphics card and it will put the Leveno to shame at the same price. Go with the HP (if you can find one)...it's a no-brainner. I got 2 so far and I'm getting a third tomorrow morning.

I concur. If most people just surf the web, use Office, watch YouTube videos, etc, then the AMD one will do the trick.

lynnea6 12-08-2012 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by firelikeiya (Post 55815540)
If anyone is wondering, Windows 8 sucks for a desktop. It's fast but definitely more suited towards a tablet environment. If you can find a Windows 7 desktop you would probably enjoy it more.

This was giving me the most pause when looking for a new desktop for my inlaws. But it's hard to find one with Windows 7 now short of refurbs (I let some get sold out on Lenovo's outlet that I regret, although they were about equivalent to this computer, including price). I can just hear my MIL complaining now.

I think we'll be installing Classic Shell [sourceforge.net] on Christmas Day and doing everything else we can to get the computer closer to Windows 7.

sd444 12-08-2012 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deelseaker (Post 55798832)
That's actually me as well. :) Well, if you don't feel you need the faster CPU, you won't be disappointed with the AMD-based HP at that price. Plus, if you do any casual gaming at all or plan to use it as an HTPC, the powerful integrated graphics are a plus.

On the other hand, if you plan to keep the PC for a while, go with the i5. You can add a $40 graphics card down the line. Yes, it will end up being about $150 more than the AMD system, but in 3 years it may mean not having to look for a replacement because the AMD system seems sluggish. I expect the faster i5 processor to be a bit more future-proof.

Quadcore getting sluggish?

FM2 socket. You can drop in Trinity A10 or Richland A10/A12 next year. Upgrade the CPU and GPU without buying with a new PSU.

Quote:

Originally Posted by localboy808 (Post 55815818)
Both processor are plenty powerful for most people's needs. I will definitely not notice the 15% processor performance difference because I won't need it, however, will notice the extra $100 in my pocket...and I like that! I'll spend the $100 on a graphics card and it will put the Leveno to shame at the same price. Go with the HP (if you can find one)...it's a no-brainner. I got 2 so far and I'm getting a third tomorrow morning.

See above about socket FM2. Richland A10/A12's can fit this. Very easy upgrade later down the road.

sd444 12-08-2012 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mecfire (Post 55812272)
Staples also has the HP P7-1446s with the AMD A10-5700 and HD 7660D graphics for the same prices as this i5 lenovo. Any suggestions on which would be better for playing games on? I'm not sure if I plan to upgrade the graphics card or not. Thanks for the input!

A10 hands down.

Monssef 12-08-2012 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by needgeech (Post 55815672)
I'm not going to say "I could build it cheaper--my dad has the ultimate set of tools". . .

But I regularly see dell outlet xps 8500 units (with the same warranty, plus accidental included) for $499 if you look hard enough. Every couple of weeks they go 25% off, bringing it to $400+tax same as Staples. . .
But
It has a i5-3450
460w psw
hd 7750 gpu or for $20 more you can find it w/a gt 640
sat III
Can sweeten the deal with gift card bonuses.

Its not like I'm comparing a BF deal; its not on today, but is literally on every 2-3 weeks.
If you need a computer today, or have rewards $ to burn on this and this only I understand.

But if you need to upgrade the PSW to upgrade the GPU; why not look elsewhere.
If you are ok with integrated HD2500 or 2000 graphics. . .I bought a dell 2330 23" LED all in one yesterday (refurb with 1 year wrnty) with a i5-2500 3.3ghz 1tb, 6GB, etc for $295 + tax. . .$319.55 and paid for with it with a bought a $400 GC/get $75 bonus, so I paid $400 for it and still have $155 to spend at dell otherwise.

When this is at $399 and I can use a $100 coupon I will bite, maybe

Where is the xps 8500 for $499 in dell outlet? I dont see nothing there.

katraju 12-08-2012 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by needgeech (Post 55815672)
I'm not going to say "I could build it cheaper--my dad has the ultimate set of tools". . .

But I regularly see dell outlet xps 8500 units (with the same warranty, plus accidental included) for $499 if you look hard enough. Every couple of weeks they go 25% off, bringing it to $400+tax same as Staples. . .
But
It has a i5-3450
460w psw
hd 7750 gpu or for $20 more you can find it w/a gt 640
sat III
Can sweeten the deal with gift card bonuses.

Its not like I'm comparing a BF deal; its not on today, but is literally on every 2-3 weeks.
If you need a computer today, or have rewards $ to burn on this and this only I understand.

But if you need to upgrade the PSW to upgrade the GPU; why not look elsewhere.
If you are ok with integrated HD2500 or 2000 graphics. . .I bought a dell 2330 23" LED all in one yesterday (refurb with 1 year wrnty) with a i5-2500 3.3ghz 1tb, 6GB, etc for $295 + tax. . .$319.55 and paid for with it with a bought a $400 GC/get $75 bonus, so I paid $400 for it and still have $155 to spend at dell otherwise.

When this is at $399 and I can use a $100 coupon I will bite, maybe

I paidn$700 for xps 8500 with i7 over thanks.giving week. Isaw outlet that time and they were more than $1000

Greggo 12-08-2012 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by firelikeiya (Post 55815540)
If anyone is wondering, Windows 8 sucks for a desktop. Its fast but definitely more suited towards a tablet environment. If you can find a Windows 7 desktop you would probably enjoy it more.

I;m not familiar with the differences are between the two. Could you explain how it would affect desktop use?? TIA

wizwor 12-08-2012 05:53 AM

I like this desktop. I got on just before Thanksgiving. It's an i5 ivy bridge with 8g or RAM, and a 1t 7200g disk in a roomy but compact case. The case has accomodations for two additional drives -- this is becoming rate in of the shelf systems. Check the HP systems and you will find they have two bays -- both occupied. The WEI on this is 4.6 with the bottleneck being desktop graphics. Gaming graphics is 5.6. Both can be improved with a discreet video card and there is a PCIe slot for that -- plus a few more for other devices. WEI scores are calculated differently for Windows 8, so you cannot directly compare that 4.6 to whatever you are getting on your Windows 7 machine. This is ironic, of course, since it makes it hard to compare machines and poor marketing by Microsoft since the new calculation yields lower scores than the old.

The i5 with its HD4000 graphics is no slouch, and I plan to use this as for the foreseeable future, but the extra bays, PCIe slots, and i7 compatibility make this an extremely upgradable computer. I couldn't build it for the same money -- I had been shopping for parts when this came up at $400.

To the Dell Outlet fan, part of the appeal of this system is that it is sold at Staples. For those of us who redeem every $20 in Discover cash back as a $25 Staples gift card and make every possible cash purchase via ShopDiscover (I got $183 back this month which cashes in as $225 in Staples gift cards), everything at Staples is always 20% off -- almost everything, anyway, as I had $280 in Staples Rewards to apply to this purchase.

This may not be the very best deal, but it is a very good deal and people who grab one will not be disappointed.

wizwor 12-08-2012 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greggo (Post 55820772)
I;m not familiar with the differences are between the two. Could you explain how it would affect desktop use?? TIA

You should do some reading Greggo. Lots has been written about Windows 8 -- everyone has an opinion. I have two -- mine and my wife's. We got this desktop and a Lenovo laptop which included a free upgrade to Windows 8. She had been using a laptop with Vista and HATED Windows 7. I had a Vista license to install on the machine, but asked her to try 8 first. She likes it enough not to want to go back to Vista. For her, the tiles are an easy way to access the content she consumes and she stays in the metro interface all day.

I spend a lot of time in the tiles, but almost as much on the desktop. People say that Windows 8 has no start menu, but I disagree. The tiles ARE the start menu. They are just active and spilled across the desktop. To navigate through programs, you simply mouse around a scrolling desktop. The active tiles are on the left and the other program icons are off to the right. You get to the tiles by clicking the lower left corner of the screen just like the traditional start menu. You still alt-tab through open programs. Some of the startmenu items are anchored to the right side of the screen. There's a search app that brings up something that resembles a very large start menu and a search box with contexts. This is like the search at the bottom of the start menu except you can specify whether you are searching for an app, a setting, or a document. When you are in an app or document, that app or document becomes a context, so search searches mail messages when you are in mail. Also anchored to the right side is the devices menu. No matter what app you are in, this is the way to send something to a printer. There's a settings applet which is similar to the notification area except that it includes the power off button. There's a start applet which restores the tiles desktop and a share app.

Then there's the desktop which looks just kike the win 7 desktop except that clicking the button in the lower left brings you back to the tiled desktop instead of opening the start menu. I usualy start a session by right clicking the desktop and selecting personalize from the pop up menu which pops up the control panel, but there is also an ie icon and shortcuts to my installed apps -- including DOSBOX (I still play the 1989 version of Risk).

There's a learning curve, but there is no long term impact. Win8 is really just Win7 with a bigger, animated start menu. People like my wife will never leave that start menu while people like me will spend some time on the desktop.

have fun.

uat1 12-08-2012 06:22 AM

would it be possible to swap the cpu with an i7 when the cpu comes down dramatically a couple years down the road?

tallguy425 12-08-2012 06:48 AM

Ordered one. Will replace my htpc Thx OP!

TomDaSpeechFixr 12-08-2012 07:09 AM

My needs:

Dual monitor set-up running stock analysis programs (day trader)

+

I have 3 Foscam camera, 2 in-house as baby monitors and 1 as a driveway/security camera

+

I will occasionally play Flight Simulator on dual monitors (1080p)

*** I already have 2 Acer 1080p 23' monitors ready to go

What should I get, experts?

Reps for brief and succinct answers

TH0R 12-08-2012 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomDaSpeechFixr (Post 55822010)
My needs:

Dual monitor set-up running stock analysis programs (day trader)

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I have 3 Foscam camera, 2 in-house as baby monitors and 1 as a driveway/security camera

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I will occasionally play Flight Simulator on dual monitors (1080p)

*** I already have 2 Acer 1080p 23' monitors ready to go

What should I get, experts?

Reps for brief and succinct answers


23'? That's 23 FEET! Traders need a lot of screen real estate but isn't that overkill!? :lol:
You probably meant 23".

Seriously though, buy this desktop and get an AMD/ATI Radeon eyefinity graphics card such as the 7750 for less than $100 which does not require an auxiliary power input. You could also get a 7770, for about $100 or slightly more which requires a power input, but I would imagine that the power supply of this lenovo system should be able to handle it. With either card you'll be able to output to more than 2 monitors, which you should be doing anyway.

Part of my work involves a situation similar to yours and I'm actually making the move from 2 monitors to a 3 or 4 monitor setup using a Radeon 7870 graphics card.

Another option is to just buy an A10 system as others have said for the same or less, and have an all-in-one solution ready out of the box which can easily be upgraded later. You'd get slightly slower CPU performance for now but MUCH faster GPU (gaming) performance than this lenovo.

ashvash 12-08-2012 08:22 AM

hi guys, will this support 2560 x 1440 nixeus monitor, 27 inch, Dual Link DVI-D?
thanks!

firelikeiya 12-08-2012 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Greggo (Post 55820772)
I;m not familiar with the differences are between the two. Could you explain how it would affect desktop use?? TIA

You'll really have to do some searching online or go to your nearest store to get a hands on feel. There are some major changes. The Metro UI is very similar to OS systems built for tablets (i.e. Android) but with the functionality of desktop. It is designed for systems with a touch screen and smaller screen size. Most desktops nowadays are using 24" plus monitors that do not require the space saving tricks that Windows 8 employs. I find it very cumbersome for a desktop environment as it requires extra keystrokes to do basic tasks that were previously only 1 or 2 clicks away. Also. the apps that are included in Metro UI are very basic versions compared to what I am use to. I have been trying to like Windows 8 for the past week that I have been using it but with my research I have found that even Microsoft employees use 3rd party apps to bypass Metro UI and emulate the start menu from previous version of windows (look up start8 or classic shell). I definitely would not buy it for a business environment.

Oh yeah, the media player in Windows 8 no longer plays DVDs. You have to upgrade to Windows Pro ($69) to get Media Center and then pay another $10 to get the codecs for media player to play DVDs! If you plan on using this for a HTPC then plan on using 3rd party programs or paying $80 over the purchase price!

boatdude00 12-08-2012 08:42 AM

I'm looking to replace a very old dell primarily for occasional home office use and to make digital copies of a lot of DVD's so I can network those drives and watch them all over the house. No time to play games, so not really going to do that at all. Are either this or the HP AMD suitable, or do I need to look for a better processor?

wizwor 12-08-2012 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greggo (Post 55820772)
I;m not familiar with the differences are between the two. Could you explain how it would affect desktop use?? TIA

Quote:

Originally Posted by boatdude00 (Post 55823566)
I'm looking to replace a very old dell primarily for occasional home office use and to make digital copies of a lot of DVD's so I can network those drives and watch them all over the house. No time to play games, so not really going to do that at all. Are either this or the HP AMD suitable, or do I need to look for a better processor?

either would be fine. sounds like you will never open the case, so i recommend the HP.

prashp1 12-08-2012 09:20 AM

I'm looking to play Blu-Ray movies in 1080p, should I go for this Lenovo i5 or the HP AMD p6-2378?

webculb 12-08-2012 09:54 AM

Sweet deal. I'd definitely get one if I had the money.

tallguy425 12-08-2012 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Greggo (Post 55820772)
I;m not familiar with the differences are between the two. Could you explain how it would affect desktop use?? TIA


Windows8 is horrible. I'll be formatting and installing Ubuntu. It plays nice with xbmc. Perfect for a media center pc.

TomDaSpeechFixr 12-08-2012 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TH0R (Post 55823158)
23'? That's 23 FEET! Traders need a lot of screen real estate but isn't that overkill!? :lol:
You probably meant 23".

Seriously though, buy this desktop and get an AMD/ATI Radeon eyefinity graphics card such as the 7750 for less than $100 which does not require an auxiliary power input. You could also get a 7770, for about $100 or slightly more which requires a power input, but I would imagine that the power supply of this lenovo system should be able to handle it. With either card you'll be able to output to more than 2 monitors, which you should be doing anyway.

Part of my work involves a situation similar to yours and I'm actually making the move from 2 monitors to a 3 or 4 monitor setup using a Radeon 7870 graphics card.

Another option is to just buy an A10 system as others have said for the same or less, and have an all-in-one solution ready out of the box which can easily be upgraded later. You'd get slightly slower CPU performance for now but MUCH faster GPU (gaming) performance than this lenovo.

Haha that was supposed to be 23"

The monitors I have accept only DVI. I am pretty sure that doesn't matter, correct? I should be able to pick up cheap HDMI -> DVI or VGA ->DVI from monoprice.

I think I will stick with the AMD A10 rig b/c it's requires no additional money or effort. Thanks again +4

nomar116 12-08-2012 10:18 AM

I am about to pull the trigger... Altho I have not been in the market for long and I was considering building a PC. I have two questions.

I am looking for something that can outperform when doing picture and video editing. I also want want to begin integrating my home and possibly use this as the HTPC. I plan to build a networked server for storage. Would this, plus upgraded RAM, a video card, and a SSD do the trick?

deelseaker 12-08-2012 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boatdude00 (Post 55823566)
I'm looking to replace a very old dell primarily for occasional home office use and to make digital copies of a lot of DVD's so I can network those drives and watch them all over the house. No time to play games, so not really going to do that at all. Are either this or the HP AMD suitable, or do I need to look for a better processor?

Either one will be fine. The i5 has more processing power while the A8 has better graphics. As far as transcoding, the QuickSync feature in the i5 will cream anything else [anandtech.com] if used with compatible software.

nomar116 12-08-2012 11:18 AM

Is the lack of USB 3.0 a big deal?

sd444 12-08-2012 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uat1 (Post 55821232)
would it be possible to swap the cpu with an i7 when the cpu comes down dramatically a couple years down the road?

Yes, but price will only go down from "outrageous" to "ridiculous."

deelseaker 12-08-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by nomar116 (Post 55826990)
Is the lack of USB 3.0 a big deal?

Only if you often transfer gigabytes of data onto USB 3.0 thumb drives and especially large-capacity external drives. Even if you don't, the fact that it's missing is annoying as hell. Cheap b*stards. :D

dealcatcher123 12-08-2012 11:48 AM

You can add usb 3.0 and sata 3 with add on card.

GlobWarmNoGood 12-08-2012 11:51 AM

Good deal but SATAII is a dealbreaker for me.

wizwor 12-08-2012 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomar116 (Post 55825664)
I am about to pull the trigger... Altho I have not been in the market for long and I was considering building a PC. I have two questions.

I am looking for something that can outperform when doing picture and video editing. I also want want to begin integrating my home and possibly use this as the HTPC. I plan to build a networked server for storage. Would this, plus upgraded RAM, a video card, and a SSD do the trick?

This PC will do all of those things with no upgrade.

fanglekai 12-08-2012 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomar116 (Post 55825664)
I am about to pull the trigger... Altho I have not been in the market for long and I was considering building a PC. I have two questions.

I am looking for something that can outperform when doing picture and video editing. I also want want to begin integrating my home and possibly use this as the HTPC. I plan to build a networked server for storage. Would this, plus upgraded RAM, a video card, and a SSD do the trick?

This computer has plenty of RAM already. You don't need a dedicated video card for your uses, and you don't need a SSD. This computer would do what you're asking and far more out of the box.

mystery250 12-08-2012 02:02 PM

If it wasn't for the windows 8 I'd grab it.

travelking1 12-08-2012 05:05 PM

I've been hearing a lot of people do not want the Windows 8 on their computers. This hurts computers sales with Windows 8 already installed.

haOo 12-08-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by travelking1 (Post 55834956)
I've been hearing a lot of people do not want the Windows 8 on their computers. This hurts computers sales with Windows 8 already installed.

Was gonna buy but my linksy wireless adapter doesn't even support drivers for Window 7 I had to find a version made by somebody..
With that being said there's probably nothing out there yet for it and I much rather use it

SevenBizzos 12-08-2012 05:47 PM

Out of Stock

oyouno 12-08-2012 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by haOo (Post 55835694)
Was gonna buy but my linksy wireless adapter doesn't even support drivers for Window 7 I had to find a version made by somebody..
With that being said there's probably nothing out there yet for it and I much rather use it

You could always buy another wireless adapter,
I bought one recently from amazon to upgrade my +b+g linksys adapter, Think it was 14dollars shipped at the time and the speed on speedtests doubled to amazing speeds 22mb/sec down and 3mb up, almost as fast as my wired max speed of 25/4

I bought this one
http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-AE100...ss+adapter

10dollars shipped with prime right now, it is refurbished but just like mine and it was in new condition. Works great. And amazon returns/service if it dont work.

oyouno 12-08-2012 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mystery250 (Post 55830770)
If it wasn't for the windows 8 I'd grab it.

Win 8 is another stumble for microsoft imo. (like vista). still a great price for an i5 desktop though.
Win 8 may be nice for tablets/phones. But not for laptops/desktops. To bad there isn't a free downgrade to win7 option .

dclive 12-08-2012 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by oyouno (Post 55837100)
Win 8 is another stumble for microsoft imo. (like vista). still a great price for an i5 desktop though.
Win 8 may be nice for tablets/phones. But not for laptops/desktops. To bad there isn't a free downgrade to win7 option .


Why isn't Win8 good for laptops/desktops?

BigPun 12-08-2012 07:50 PM

Does this come with a mouse and a keyboard?

Pizzahut 12-09-2012 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BigPun (Post 55839028)
Does this come with a mouse and a keyboard?

yerp.

gtmatt22 12-09-2012 06:27 AM

Would this handle multiple monitors out of the box? If not then would a cheap video card fit in it?

dclive 12-09-2012 06:30 AM

coupon expired

venture6 12-14-2012 07:21 PM

Got mine yesterday.
Before powering up, pulled the hard drive and installed a small SSD (80GB).
Had to change a few BIOS settings or install of Win7 Pro hung. Note - press F1 to enter BIOS.

I did a couple things (disable factory keys, enabled and disabled secure boot) but I think the main thing that fixed the hang was to " Disable OS Optimized Defaults" on the Exit menu. Found this wise tidbit on the Lenovo support Forum.

tallguy425 12-15-2012 04:52 AM

Yeah, I had to change a lot in the bios to get it to boot Ubuntu.

ashvash 12-17-2012 12:09 AM

upgraded to gt 630 card..to get 2560x1440 resolution on my korean monitor. damn windows 8. it had too much trouble. finally wiped it off and got win 7..all good so far. u guys think the included 280w psu is good enough for the zotac 2gb gt 630 synergy edition? no hickups so far, except windows 8.

should i upgrade the psu? I also added in another hard drive, and will get a pc tuner card also. those are PCI right? should be able to drop that in, i thinK(?)

deelseaker 12-17-2012 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ashvash (Post 56137782)
upgraded to gt 630 card.

should i upgrade the psu? I also added in another hard drive, and will get a pc tuner card also. those are PCI right? should be able to drop that in, i thinK(?)

The power requirement for GT 630 [geforce.com] is 300W, so you are fine. Not sure which TV tuner you are getting, but I think they all are PCI-e now. Well, at least the ones worth getting. And if you get an HD Homerun Prime, it's a network-connected stand-alone device that does not require PC power.

ashvash 12-17-2012 04:47 PM

dealseaker, stupid question, this does have pci-e slots underneath the main graphics card slot, right?

so I would be fine getting that pci-e tv tuner card right?


Quote:

Originally Posted by deelseaker (Post 56141614)
The power requirement for GT 630 [geforce.com] is 300W, so you are fine. Not sure which TV tuner you are getting, but I think they all are PCI-e now. Well, at least the ones worth getting. And if you get an HD Homerun Prime, it's a network-connected stand-alone device that does not require PC power.


deelseaker 12-17-2012 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ashvash (Post 56162834)
dealseaker, stupid question, this does have pci-e slots underneath the main graphics card slot, right?

so I would be fine getting that pci-e tv tuner card right?

I don't actually have one of these. So, you should seek input from actual owners. If Lenovo's Hardware Replacement Guide [lenovo.com] is accurate (pages 13-14), there are
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  • PCI express X 1 adapter connectors (3)
  • PCI express X 16 adapter connector

So, you can get a TV tuner that is a PCI-e x1 card.

And to confirm, the Lenovo specs sheet for this model lists GT 630 as an option. So, the PSU should be able to handle it. Now, if you record four TV channels at the same time AND play a game at full settings. :D

sarveshvaity 12-28-2012 09:11 PM

Which PSU Should i be getting for this PC. I want to install Sapphire Radeon HD5450 1GB DDR3 GPU. It says, it need 400 W PSU. Can i buy any PSU with 400W?

deelseaker 12-28-2012 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarveshvaity (Post 56460484)
Which PSU Should i be getting for this PC. I want to install Sapphire Radeon HD5450 1GB DDR3 GPU. It says, it need 400 W PSU. Can i buy any PSU with 400W?

You don't need to replace the PSU to run the HD 5450. HD 5450 is too low end to bother. The integrated HD 2500 may even outperform it in many games/tasks.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/587...s-tested/3

sarveshvaity 12-29-2012 08:33 AM

Thanks.

gnueliafnak 02-22-2013 10:18 AM

delete

68droptop 02-22-2013 02:13 PM

Great find.

Bushdog 02-23-2013 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venture6 (Post 56072962)
Got mine yesterday.
Before powering up, pulled the hard drive and installed a small SSD (80GB).
Had to change a few BIOS settings or install of Win7 Pro hung. Note - press F1 to enter BIOS.

I did a couple things (disable factory keys, enabled and disabled secure boot) but I think the main thing that fixed the hang was to " Disable OS Optimized Defaults" on the Exit menu. Found this wise tidbit on the Lenovo support Forum.

Dumb question, if I put in an SSD and load Win7 on it, but keep this HD also, can I easily dual boot one or the other? I'm put off by all the Win8 horror stories, but I'd love to experiment with Win8, plus my 5 year old wants to play around with Win8 as well.

dealstorm 02-23-2013 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bushdog (Post 57782448)
Dumb question, if I put in an SSD and load Win7 on it, but keep this HD also, can I easily dual boot one or the other? I'm put off by all the Win8 horror stories, but I'd love to experiment with Win8, plus my 5 year old wants to play around with Win8 as well.

I guess I need to do more research on these Win8 horror stories. Most of the complaints I've seen are about the new Modern UI, along the lines of "Where's my Start button? What the hell are "Charms"? And, oh yeah, get off my lawn!"

However, it seems that it's not that difficult to change the UI, and I've heard good things about improvements in the guts of the OS itself.

Bushdog 02-23-2013 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dealstorm (Post 57783538)
I guess I need to do more research on these Win8 horror stories. Most of the complaints I've seen are about the new Modern UI, along the lines of "Where's my Start button? What the hell are "Charms"? And, oh yeah, get off my lawn!"

However, it seems that it's not that difficult to change the UI, and I've heard good things about improvements in the guts of the OS itself.

I just added the start button back. Ninite has a classic shell that I just added.

We'll see how it handles my software. If it can run what I need, I will be pleased.

2 hours in and I'm getting the hang of the new UI. I don't love it, but I'm getting the hang of it.

deelseaker 02-24-2013 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dealstorm (Post 57783538)
I guess I need to do more research on these Win8 horror stories. Most of the complaints I've seen are about the new Modern UI, along the lines of "Where's my Start button? What the hell are "Charms"? And, oh yeah, get off my lawn!"

However, it seems that it's not that difficult to change the UI, and I've heard good things about improvements in the guts of the OS itself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bushdog (Post 57786148)
I just added the start button back. Ninite has a classic shell that I just added.

We'll see how it handles my software. If it can run what I need, I will be pleased.

2 hours in and I'm getting the hang of the new UI. I don't love it, but I'm getting the hang of it.

This is an old thread that has been getting some activity in the past couple of days. I think some people are confusing this December deal with the one that just ended yesterday. The new discussion is here:

http://slickdeals.net/f/5867050-L...e-Shipping

stingy 05-14-2013 06:38 AM

Upgraded the PSU to Antec 600 but the MB won't take either of my older ATI Radeon cards. Dang, Lenovo. Spending for an additional card for this no longer is a deal. Now I'm on the dilemma, whether to upgrade the card or replace the MB. :-)


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