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chainlink13 12-13-2012 06:11 PM

Zojirushi BB-PAC20 Home Bakery Virtuoso Breadmaker $210
 
This was a lightning deal a few days ago at $214.99. Price dropped!

http://www.amazon.com/Zojirushi-B...Q2297KDOHV

DJ3xclusive 12-13-2012 06:12 PM

Zojirushi BB-PAC20 Home Bakery Virtuoso Breadmaker $210
 
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Amazon has Zojirushi BB-PAC20 Home Bakery Virtuoso Breadmaker for $209.99 with free shipping. Thanks chainlink13

Price Research: Our research indicates that Zojirushi BB-PAC20 Home Bakery Virtuoso Breadmaker is $70 lower (25% savings) than the next best available price from a reputable merchant with prices starting at $280 - DJ3

vip00 12-13-2012 08:07 PM

Been waiting for this around $200... might have to be good enough!

krivera1 12-13-2012 08:59 PM

I've had my eye on this one for a while now... Really not the best time to spend, but it will be nice to have over the Christmas break... Thanks!

sumrtym 12-13-2012 09:09 PM

Great price! Starting to wonder if a new version isn't coming out...

ghoti. 12-13-2012 09:33 PM

I want this thing so bad.

Any chance it goes on sale for $20? :(

TCSK 12-13-2012 09:36 PM

OMG I just called Amazon customer service and they credited me back the difference from 262.90 (The original cost of the bread maker before the lightning deal) and today's price of 209.99 which was $52.91 making my deal $162.08!!! Now that is a slick deal!! Thanks op for the heads up that got me this massive credit even tho it was a mistake!!

ChinaMosco 12-13-2012 09:42 PM

Why do you want to buy this when there was a Kenmore bread machine sold at Sears for only $34.99?

RobF1656 12-13-2012 10:02 PM

Why do people buy Porsches instead of Kias....

oh right.

GoldenRat 12-13-2012 10:13 PM

Not even the fanciest bread making machine will be able to bake bread like the Germans can do.

Addiaidan 12-13-2012 10:17 PM

Really want this and the Brevillle toaster oven, but too pricey. Only if I have that 10% Amazon coupon ...

tommyvelocity 12-13-2012 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRat (Post 56039154)
Not even the fanciest bread making machine will be able to bake bread like the Germans can do.

Germans can't make bread worth crap.

michi098 12-13-2012 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommyvelocity (Post 56040486)
Germans can't make bread worth crap.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about...

So I'm curious, I have a cheapo bread maker which I bought from Newegg about a year ago for under $50 on some Slickdeal. It actually works really well and I use it a lot. What is the difference between my cheapo bread maker and this one?

bigDeal44 12-13-2012 11:18 PM

height of SDism .. buying this while on Atkins :woot:

Tazmania99 12-13-2012 11:18 PM

Anyone knows how it is different from BB-CEC20 [amazon.com]? I got it for $196 plus $30 Kohls cash from Kohls. Should I return it and get the BB-PAC20 from Amazon?

WildChickenDanc 12-13-2012 11:23 PM

I am very tempted to get this as a gift.

AkumaX 12-13-2012 11:29 PM

Make your own bread with a rice cooker HERE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnWdCXaRB2g

tommyvelocity 12-13-2012 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michi098 (Post 56040542)
You obviously don't know what you are talking about...

So I'm curious, I have a cheapo bread maker which I bought from Newegg about a year ago for under $50 on some Slickdeal. It actually works really well and I use it a lot. What is the difference between my cheapo bread maker and this one?

Best bread is french. Best pastries are french. I was raised in Europe and the only good thing food-wise about Germany is their bratwurst and beer... of course there are some restaurants that are the exceptions and definitely not the norm.

I don't have a breadmaker but Zojirushi makes fine kitchen equipment and I would go as far as guessing that this thing rocks.

It's just like those people who ask for the difference between a $30 rice cooker and a $150 Zojirushi rice cooker... if you don't eat enough rice, you won't matter. However if you eat rice all the time and you like it perfect 100% of the time, then you'll know the answer and won't bother to ask.

WildChickenDanc 12-13-2012 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkumaX (Post 56040776)
Make your own bread with a rice cooker HERE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnWdCXaRB2g

that looks absolutely disgusting.

demanning 12-13-2012 11:35 PM

Nice deal!

serp07 12-13-2012 11:35 PM

I got a Seiko bread maker at a garage sale. The lady asked five bucks but didn't have the manual, so we shook hands on two bucks. Makes excellent 2lb bread, the manual was a pain to get though.

teknotronic 12-13-2012 11:45 PM

Just an FYI Best Buy also has it for the same price.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Zojir...4-1712-0-1

Will also come with a $10 savings certificate due to the following promotion;

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Appli...0600050004

Looks like you don't get the $10 certificate until Dec 24th though.

I had a Best Buy GC and some rewards certs so I went with Best Buy, good deal either way though. Thanks OP!

Leto Atreides 12-14-2012 12:03 AM

Got $5 credit from Amazon since I got it at the lightning deal price of 214.99 a few days ago.

Danzilla 12-14-2012 12:03 AM

Pricey. Have to wonder how much better it really is than say the Kenmore 2lb bread maker that only costs ~$50.

Bizill 12-14-2012 01:08 AM

Sheesh, got one.

zhopa 12-14-2012 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommyvelocity (Post 56040780)
Best bread is french. Best pastries are french. I was raised in Europe and the only good thing food-wise about Germany is their bratwurst and beer... of course there are some restaurants that are the exceptions and definitely not the norm.

Where in Europe were you raised?
I guess you haven't eaten in the largest country in Europe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobF1656 (Post 56038654)
Why do people buy Porsches instead of Kias....

oh right.

Some like to buy cheap stuff and some have midlife crisis...

goma3 12-14-2012 02:35 AM

This is the best bread maker, bar none.

The $200 is a total bargain if you hold the smell of warm, perfectly cooked bread in the morning as one of life's greatest pleasures.

I have a Zoji for several years now and there is simply no comparison with the many other bread makers I have tested over the years.

goma3 12-14-2012 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazmania99 (Post 56040606)
Anyone knows how it is different from BB-CEC20 [amazon.com]? I got it for $196 plus $30 Kohls cash from Kohls. Should I return it and get the BB-PAC20 from Amazon?


The CEC20 does not have the lid heater (which gives a more even top crust) nor the metal handles for the bread tray. Other than that they are exactly the same machine, with a couple more cycle options in the PAC20. The CEC20 is a great breadmaker that ruled above all others before the PAC20 came along, honestly can't go wrong with any of them.

eb50 12-14-2012 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goma3 (Post 56043738)
This is the best bread maker, bar none.

The $200 is a total bargain if you hold the smell of warm, perfectly cooked bread in the morning as one of life's greatest pleasures.

I have a Zoji for several years now and there is simply no comparison with the many other bread makers I have tested over the years.

What makes it better?

dj-3lusion 12-14-2012 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghoti. (Post 56037776)
I want this thing so bad.

Any chance it goes on sale for $20? :(

$20 :lmao: the cost of shipping is almost $20 :lmao:

Quote:

Originally Posted by eb50 (Post 56043896)
What makes it better?

the sticker that says made in japan

dj-3lusion 12-14-2012 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teknotronic (Post 56041020)
Just an FYI Best Buy also has it for the same price.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Zojir...4-1712-0-1

Will also come with a $10 savings certificate due to the following promotion;

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Appli...0600050004

Looks like you don't get the $10 certificate until Dec 24th though.

I had a Best Buy GC and some rewards certs so I went with Best Buy, good deal either way though. Thanks OP!

thats best buys way of catching up to amazon and saying eff you guys tax or no tax. now if there was some slick deals on best buy gc's ie 50% off :) $100 or $200+

dronek75 12-14-2012 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommyvelocity (Post 56040486)
Germans can't make bread worth crap.

...Youre soooo mistaken.

wlhong 12-14-2012 04:29 AM

It is a great bargain. Anyone who would like to eat fresh made bread should jump onto this one. Even an active baker like me should buy this one. I bought this one when it first came out last year and cost me $300. I absolutely love it. My husband always say this is the best stuff we got ourselves in so many years. You can go to Kingarthur to see reviews from bakers. Of course I highly recommend Kingarthur flour from Vermont. I always stocked up when it runs sale.

Also, It makes fresh jam. Usually any fruits that are not sweet enough for our teeth become our jam. Nothing can be compared to homemade bread and jam. Yum everyday!

badandy888 12-14-2012 04:34 AM

i dont eat a lot of bread but this thing looks cool!

anubis57 12-14-2012 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommyvelocity (Post 56040486)
Germans can't make bread worth crap.





Wow, that's about an ignorant a statement as any posted here in quite a while.

Congrats!

Chrs 12-14-2012 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRat (Post 56039154)
Not even the fanciest bread making machine will be able to bake bread like the Germans can do.

I'm genuinely curious. Do you have any examples/links?

Does Austrian bread fall under that category as well?

khs0222 12-14-2012 04:48 AM

For anyone who is on the fence....buy this. I have been making my own bread for about 3 years now. A few months ago my old machine finally bit the dust, and after much research decided this was the one. I agonized over the price, but finally decided to bite the bullet and buy it. One of the BEST purchases I have ever made. I use my own recipe, and my other machine was very inconsistent. With the Virtuoso, my bread always comes out PERFECT. It is soft on the inside and has a nice crisp crust. The extra baking element in the top makes a big difference - no more pasty white top of the bread if it rises too much! It is much sturdier than my old Bread Man, and with the two smaller kneading paddles, the bread slides out much more easily.

Hope this helps someone!

shacky4 12-14-2012 04:51 AM

Our Zojirushi Home Bakery is probably 15 years old. We mostly use it to make pizza and bread dough and don't often actually bake in it, but it does a good job on all tasks. The Zojirushi is widely regarded as the best machine. heavy duty and well designed. If you are in the market for a bread maker, this is the one to get. (IMHO)

And slightly off subject, but since people are talking about bread here. This stoneware loaf pan from Pampered Chef is by far the best thing I have ever seen for baking bread in. Yes, it really makes a difference in how your bread will turn out. http://www.pamperedchef.com/order...letSubCat=

radosti 12-14-2012 04:56 AM

I bought mine on Amazon 2 years ago for $175. LOVE IT!!!!! No issues, the bread comes out fantastic every time and the kids beg for mommy to bake bread.

ChristianM19 12-14-2012 05:19 AM

fudge breadmakers.
It takes you less time to do it by yourself and an oven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWOJovFzWfw

jingoro 12-14-2012 05:25 AM

Amazon gave me a HUGE hassle for trying to match from this new price from when I bought it in their "lighting deal". Talk about poor customer service. How did everybody else do it?

maggieluvswdw 12-14-2012 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazmania99 (Post 56040606)
Anyone knows how it is different from BB-CEC20 [amazon.com]? I got it for $196 plus $30 Kohls cash from Kohls. Should I return it and get the BB-PAC20 from Amazon?

Just FYI, if you spent the $30 Kohls Cash, they will deduct it from your return amount.

Maggie

Sirerdrick 12-14-2012 05:55 AM

I knew that I kneaded to get one of these by Christmas.
Glad to see the deal.
Trigger pulled.
Wife and daughter will be ecstatic.
My bittersweet relationship with slickdeals continues...

jkenned70 12-14-2012 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobF1656 (Post 56038654)
Why do people buy Porsches instead of Kias....

oh right.

...because they like getting attention for making purchases that cover up their insecurities?


Regardless, if it's durability and extra functions that make it worth the extra $170...over the one I picked up via SD's at Sears....then I'm not worried a bit.....because, I can buy FIVE more and still be ahead of the game....so, if it breaks...not a big deal grab a new one.

packerman8 12-14-2012 06:24 AM

Would you also recommend buying the cookbook and the fresh bread keeper thing they are recommending on Amazon if you buy the Breadmaker?

VladC 12-14-2012 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommyvelocity (Post 56040780)
It's just like those people who ask for the difference between a $30 rice cooker and a $150 Zojirushi rice cooker... if you don't eat enough rice, you won't matter. However if you eat rice all the time and you like it perfect 100% of the time, then you'll know the answer and won't bother to ask.

I cook my rice in microwave... 20 minutes, hardly any work and perfect every time.

spacenoodle 12-14-2012 06:31 AM

yeah i hate to sound like i'm just trolling the forums here but every time i watch people making bread for their restaurants on tv, it comes out of the oven, not some bread maker. so why spend all this money when you could just get one of those bread tins and do it that way? never understood bread making machines.

esranur 12-14-2012 06:37 AM

I used both zojirushi and panasonic sd yd 250, and panasonic is the winner, makes a superb bread, everytime, foolproof.

Ditch 12-14-2012 06:46 AM

Honest question: How is this better than using the oven? I assume it'll use less energy, and if you bake every day it'll pay off. Are there other benefits, tough? Would this be a good gift for someone who makes about 1 bread loaf per month?

Gosh 12-14-2012 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ditch (Post 56047426)
Honest question: How is this better than using the oven? I assume it'll use less energy, and if you bake every day it'll pay off. Are there other benefits, tough? Would this be a good gift for someone who makes about 1 bread loaf per month?

It's not better, it's just much more convenient, faster and hassle free.

drsketch 12-14-2012 07:04 AM

I would buy this but we are such lazy people when it comes to cooking that it would probably sit mostly unused. :D

Jabes 12-14-2012 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ditch (Post 56047426)
Honest question: How is this better than using the oven? I assume it'll use less energy, and if you bake every day it'll pay off. Are there other benefits, tough? Would this be a good gift for someone who makes about 1 bread loaf per month?

I don't own one (yet), but from what I understand, it takes all the work out of making bread. You don't need a mixer because the bread maker mixes it for you. You just throw the ingredients in.
For breads that need to rise, you don't need to let the dough rise in a bowl on the counter, then flatten it by hand, then let it rise again, then flatten it, etc. The bread maker does all that. So it's really a matter of convenience.
For what it's worth, most people have nothing but good things to say about this brand. Is the price justified over other bread makers? I can't answer that, but I'm seriously considering this as a Christmas present to myself.
I'm mostly interested in making gluten-free bread, which runs me about $6-7 a loaf at the local baker. I also don't have a mixer, so i feel this will work well for me.

gigalevu 12-14-2012 07:17 AM

Does this come with bread?

Foreveryours 12-14-2012 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ditch (Post 56047426)
Would this be a good gift for someone who makes about 1 bread loaf per month?

No...

Banefulhaze 12-14-2012 07:24 AM

I dont know if I could justify spending that much money on a breadmaker. I just ordered a Sunbeam 5891 from Amazon for $66.16. Got it two days ago and i've baked one loaf of bread thus far. I dont see how the bread could taste any better, it's cooked perfectly and on the first try.

Foreveryours 12-14-2012 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banefulhaze (Post 56048772)
I dont know if I could justify spending that much money on a breadmaker. I just ordered a Sunbeam 5891 from Amazon for $66.16. Got it two days ago and i've baked one loaf of bread thus far. I dont see how the bread could taste any better, it's cooked perfectly and on the first try.

Come back in a year and let us know if that's still working well.

sbc06 12-14-2012 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ditch (Post 56047426)
Honest question: How is this better than using the oven? I assume it'll use less energy, and if you bake every day it'll pay off. Are there other benefits, tough? Would this be a good gift for someone who makes about 1 bread loaf per month?

I keep a container with the ingredients ready- just dump in the liquid (water), dry ingredients, and press bake. Fresh bread after work/school. Roughly 5~ minutes of work to get the dry ingredients out, measured, and into a container so it's ready to go.

Making bread from scratch w/ an oven: Proof yeast, mix in dry ingredients, let it rise, bake-- more manual labor (Although you can use the zoji to make the dough and let it rise- then bake the dough)

Banefulhaze 12-14-2012 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foreveryours (Post 56048854)
Come back in a year and let us know if that's still working well.

If it isn't i'll just buy another one and still be under the price of this machine..and if that one breaks or starts cooking subpar bread, i'll buy another one...

Foreveryours 12-14-2012 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banefulhaze (Post 56048990)
If it isn't i'll just buy another one and still be under the price of this machine..and if that one breaks or starts cooking subpar bread, i'll buy another one...

So come back in five years and let us know how you're doing.

virtuoso88 12-14-2012 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foreveryours (Post 56048854)
Come back in a year and let us know if that's still working well.

And if it's broken, he can just buy another cheap but updated bread maker for 60. Could do that 2x and still be up. Not a bad gamble and there's no guarantee the virtuoso will be around in a year.

I did buy the zoji one though :)

LadyChemist 12-14-2012 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michi098 (Post 56040542)
What is the difference between my cheapo bread maker and this one?

you're not giving enough info in your post to answer your question, no one knows what make or model your cheapo maker is or what its' specs are

Foreveryours 12-14-2012 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virtuoso88 (Post 56049104)
Not a bad gamble and there's no guarantee the virtuoso will be around in a year.

I did buy the zoji one though :)

Some of us appreciate well made products. None of my 9 Zojis ever broke and are still in use; some of them are over 15 years old.

LadyChemist 12-14-2012 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhopa (Post 56042402)
I guess you haven't eaten in the largest country in Europe.
.

Russia? Russian bread?

and what does "zhopa" mean?

Banefulhaze 12-14-2012 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foreveryours (Post 56049202)
Some of us appreciate well made products. None of my 9 Zojis ever broke and are still in use; some of them are over 15 years old.


9? Sounds like you are either eating too much bread or are reproducing too often.

Foreveryours 12-14-2012 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banefulhaze (Post 56049342)
9? Sounds like you are either eating too much bread or are reproducing too often.

Reading comprehension is not your forte, no? I have nine Zoji appliances, not nine breadmakers.

chainlink13 12-14-2012 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by packerman8 (Post 56046812)
Would you also recommend buying the cookbook and the fresh bread keeper thing they are recommending on Amazon if you buy the Breadmaker?

I've received both as gifts when I got my Sunbeam breadmaker. The recipe book is fantastic. I'm sure if you scour the internet, you can find all sorts of recipes for free and what not, but it's nice to have this recipe book if you like to try a lot of recipes tested by the author.

The fresh bread keeper is decent. The only problem with the Sunbeam is that it produced tall loaves, so the 2 lb loaves are a struggle to keep in there. I'm wondering if this breadmaker's horizontal loaves are shaped better to fit. It's handy to store bread in..but I can't really attest if it increases the shelf life.

Banefulhaze 12-14-2012 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foreveryours (Post 56049458)
Reading comprehension is not your forte, no? I have nine Zoji appliances, not nine breadmakers.

I guess it was the fact that we've been talking about breadmakers in the Zoji Breadmaker thread. Clarification is not your forte, no? :wave:

virtuoso88 12-14-2012 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foreveryours (Post 56049202)
Some of us appreciate well made products. None of my 9 Zojis ever broke and are still in use; some of them are over 15 years old.

I'm one of those but not everyone is like that and I can understand where they are coming from.

And a product made 15 years ago isn't like they're made today so I wouldn't be on the virtuoso being functioning 15 years from now. At least if washers/dryers/dishwashers/ovens are anything to go by.

I do love my zoji rice cooker! HOpefully I'll love the virtuoso too even though I try to be anti bread.

tommyvelocity 12-14-2012 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michi098 (Post 56041536)
Wow, you are just full of worthless information. If you want to play the "who has been longer in Europe" game, I'll probably win. I am sitting on a little island in the north sea as I type... To say Germans don't know how to make bread is just ignorant. If you prefer the taste of french bread fine, but your statement is plain wrong.
Also thanks for no help on letting me know what the difference between the breadmakers is - but rather making time to belittle me. You are a real asset on these forums here!

Didn't mean to offend you nor belittle you. Any and all of this about bread preferences is all a matter of personal taste and opinion (and my earlier quote meant to say, if you don't eat enough then it won't really matter - as in no value in buying an expensive product that isn't being utilized). I'll retract that statement and insert this "I never cared for German bread as they are just blah (disclaimer: personal opinion).'

Again please accept my apologies if it felt like I was belittling you but I was not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhopa (Post 56042402)
Where in Europe were you raised?
I guess you haven't eaten in the largest country in Europe.

Belgium, far from the largest country in Europe :look:

Quote:

Originally Posted by dronek75 (Post 56044288)
...Youre soooo mistaken.

Matter of opinion. Thanks. :bounce:

Quote:

Originally Posted by anubis57 (Post 56044696)
Wow, that's about an ignorant a statement as any posted here in quite a while.

Congrats!

Thank you! Again a matter of opinion.:bounce:

Quote:

Originally Posted by VladC (Post 56046924)
I cook my rice in microwave... 20 minutes, hardly any work and perfect every time.

It may be perfect for you but I hardly see the billion of Asians jumping over to your method and giving up their rice cookers or pots.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ditch (Post 56047426)
Honest question: How is this better than using the oven? I assume it'll use less energy, and if you bake every day it'll pay off. Are there other benefits, tough? Would this be a good gift for someone who makes about 1 bread loaf per month?

Definitely not. Whether a rice cooker or a bread maker, if you don't use it often enough then it's waste of money. I have a friend who makes wide variety of bread using a dutch oven and oven and the bread she produces are excellent. However, it does take time to prepare the dough and she does use a kitchenaid mixer. At 1 loaf per month, 12 per year, it's much more convenient to buy bread locally at a bakery than spending $200 on a bread maker.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jabes (Post 56048422)
I don't own one (yet), but from what I understand, it takes all the work out of making bread. You don't need a mixer because the bread maker mixes it for you. You just throw the ingredients in.
For breads that need to rise, you don't need to let the dough rise in a bowl on the counter, then flatten it by hand, then let it rise again, then flatten it, etc. The bread maker does all that. So it's really a matter of convenience.
For what it's worth, most people have nothing but good things to say about this brand. Is the price justified over other bread makers? I can't answer that, but I'm seriously considering this as a Christmas present to myself.
I'm mostly interested in making gluten-free bread, which runs me about $6-7 a loaf at the local baker. I also don't have a mixer, so i feel this will work well for me.

Great informative post.

tornadog 12-14-2012 08:10 AM

And people wonder why we are in an economic crisis. Go to India or China and see how much people spend to make rice and bread. A 200 dollar breadmaker, a 300 dollar rice cooker. Whats next a 500 dollar water boiler?

hitechjunkie 12-14-2012 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirerdrick (Post 56046040)
I knew that I kneaded to get one of these by Christmas.
Glad to see the deal.
Trigger pulled.
Wife and daughter will be ecstatic.
My bittersweet relationship with slickdeals continues...

You knew you kneaded to get one so you spent the dough

:woot:

tommyvelocity 12-14-2012 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virtuoso88 (Post 56050204)
I'm one of those but not everyone is like that and I can understand where they are coming from.

And a product made 15 years ago isn't like they're made today so I wouldn't be on the virtuoso being functioning 15 years from now. At least if washers/dryers/dishwashers/ovens are anything to go by.

I do love my zoji rice cooker! HOpefully I'll love the virtuoso too even though I try to be anti bread.

My newer Zoji rice cooker is going 4 years strong, *crossing fingers*.

If Zoji made oven, I'd probably be one of the first one to try it out.

Foreveryours 12-14-2012 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banefulhaze (Post 56049678)
I guess it was the fact that we've been talking about breadmakers in the Zoji Breadmaker thread. Clarification is not your forte, no? :wave:

Clarification? Why would anyone buy nine breadmakers for home? I was speaking about the quality of Zoji products. I guess common sense and logic are a foreign concept, si?

sdkat2 12-14-2012 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tornadog (Post 56050398)
And people wonder why we are in an economic crisis. Go to India or China and see how much people spend to make rice and bread. A 200 dollar breadmaker, a 300 dollar rice cooker. Whats next a 500 dollar water boiler?

No, I only paid $80 for my cuisinart electric kettle, not 500. :rolleyes:

Foreveryours 12-14-2012 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tornadog (Post 56050398)
And people wonder why we are in an economic crisis.

I don't think you realize how economic crisis works. We don't have enough people buying products, not the other way around.

LadyChemist 12-14-2012 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foreveryours (Post 56052200)
I don't think you realize how economic crisis works. We don't have enough people buying products, not the other way around.

I thought it was because folks spend what they dont have and can't pay back (i.e. credit, loans)

ChinaMosco 12-14-2012 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobF1656 (Post 56038654)
Why do people buy Porsches instead of Kias....

oh right.

You like to see people looking at your car, admire you as successful, wealthy man. Are you going use this $200 bread machine outside your walkway?

I am willing to listen if you can tell me more details how this $200 machine make a bread 6 times better the Kenmore 2lb bread machine one.

Foreveryours 12-14-2012 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyChemist (Post 56052556)
I thought it was because folks spend what they dont have and can't pay back (i.e. credit, loans)

Normal folks defaulting on their obligations are the least of our worries.

Banefulhaze 12-14-2012 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Foreveryours (Post 56049202)
Some of us appreciate well made products. None of my 9 Zojis ever broke and are still in use; some of them are over 15 years old.

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Originally Posted by ChinaMosco (Post 56052596)
I am willing to listen if you can tell me more details how this $200 machine make a bread 6 times better the Kenmore 2lb bread machine one.

Ask Foreveryours, he has 9 of them.

Spongebob68 12-14-2012 10:03 AM

Does anyone recommend a "must have" cookbook for this machine? There are lots of choices on Amazon. I'm looking for one that can be used with this Breadmaker vs the oven, if it matters.

oxyi 12-14-2012 10:26 AM

Amazon failed.

I thought they used to refund you the price difference, but just called, they said no.

THEY rather me to ship back, which they going to issue me a prepaid postage and ship them the item, and I order at the current price now..

WOW..

Ditch 12-14-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jabes (Post 56048422)
I don't own one (yet), but from what I understand, it takes all the work out of making bread. You don't need a mixer because the bread maker mixes it for you. You just throw the ingredients in.
For breads that need to rise, you don't need to let the dough rise in a bowl on the counter, then flatten it by hand, then let it rise again, then flatten it, etc. The bread maker does all that. So it's really a matter of convenience.
For what it's worth, most people have nothing but good things to say about this brand. Is the price justified over other bread makers? I can't answer that, but I'm seriously considering this as a Christmas present to myself.
I'm mostly interested in making gluten-free bread, which runs me about $6-7 a loaf at the local baker. I also don't have a mixer, so i feel this will work well for me.

Damn, that sounds like something I might want. We also make pizza once in a while and would probably make more bread instead of buying it if it were that easy. Would this make redundant the shiny new mixer I just bought as a Xmas present? Decisions, decisions...

dj-3lusion 12-14-2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by oxyi (Post 56055580)
Amazon failed.

I thought they used to refund you the price difference, but just called, they said no.

THEY rather me to ship back, which they going to issue me a prepaid postage and ship them the item, and I order at the current price now..

WOW..

are you the one posting you was getting a $156 credit? nevermind this guy did amazon isnt that stupid. However Tigerdirect im hoping is as they accidently put I purchased 2 softwares when i purchased one. total refund $200 money spent $70 :D $130 back with no rebates or bullshit to fill makes me a happy slickdealer

dubojr1 12-14-2012 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by oxyi (Post 56055580)
Amazon failed.

I thought they used to refund you the price difference, but just called, they said no.

THEY rather me to ship back, which they going to issue me a prepaid postage and ship them the item, and I order at the current price now..

WOW..

They told me the same thing. Don't do it however. The will reduce your refund on the 1st one to cover return shipping. You can start the return process online and you'll see the return cost just before the labels are printed. My return cost is $24.12. :eek:

WildChickenDanc 12-14-2012 11:37 AM

Deal dead

teknotronic 12-14-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WildChickenDanc (Post 56058326)
Deal dead

Still available at Best Buy through today. Same price plus $10 certificate sent on the 24th.

ORRRR not. Seems I can't even find it on their site anymore lol.

mrtasan 12-14-2012 12:14 PM

i've been waiting for this model!!!! this is the BEST breadmaker on the market right now.

hopefully it'll drop under 200 and then i'll bite...not in a hurry to make bread now anyways

VladC 12-14-2012 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tornadog (Post 56050398)
And people wonder why we are in an economic crisis. Go to India or China and see how much people spend to make rice and bread. A 200 dollar breadmaker, a 300 dollar rice cooker. Whats next a 500 dollar water boiler?

And that $500 were borrowed from Chinese!

oxyi 12-14-2012 05:21 PM

I actually just want them to refund me the difference, which is about 5 bux..

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Originally Posted by dj-3lusion (Post 56056134)
are you the one posting you was getting a $156 credit? nevermind this guy did amazon isnt that stupid. However Tigerdirect im hoping is as they accidently put I purchased 2 softwares when i purchased one. total refund $200 money spent $70 :D $130 back with no rebates or bullshit to fill makes me a happy slickdealer

nah.. I really just want the difference back.. like couple dollars..

dj-3lusion 12-14-2012 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by oxyi (Post 56069974)
I actually just want them to refund me the difference, which is about 5 bux..


nah.. I really just want the difference back.. like couple dollars..

yeah for 5 bucks they dont budge you gotta ship and rebuy the item.. stupid but w/e amazon wants to eat shipping costs by all means

packerman8 12-17-2012 12:10 PM

I just bought one myself from Amazon last week on Friday, and I received the unit on Saturday. On Saturday afternoon, I made my first loaf of bread which was plain White Bread. It was absolutely amazing (Perfect everyway possible). I even skipped the dried milk, and it was awesome. Yesterday, I attempted to make Chocolate Bread, and it was terrible (I threw it away). I am making another loaf of white bread today for my parents as I write this email. Each white loaf of bread takes about 3 hours and 30 minutes in the maker and makes my house smell really good. It is very easy to use and clean up is super simple. It is one of my best purchases yet.

Thanks!

Crabba 12-17-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrs (Post 56044728)
I'm genuinely curious. Do you have any examples/links?

Does Austrian bread fall under that category as well?

Oh yes! In fact you haven't lived until you eat fresh Kaiser Semmel [wikipedia.org] :drool: Note do NOT confuse with the Kaiser Rolls you get here in the U.S., there's simply no comparison!!
Also you can't beat any fresh made typical Austrian dark loaf bread, where you actually need to use your teeth to chew it, Oooh so good!!

We go to Austria for vacation every few years, and with all the clear water lakes & mountains eating the fresh bread there is one of the things we always look forward to most! Man, now I'm getting all hungry :D:drool:

Crabba 12-17-2012 12:59 PM

About the deal, does anyone know what makes this one better than my current West Bend 41300, which I can definitely recommend to someone looking for a much cheaper alternative (currently just $49 on Amazon [amazon.com]), I should note that it was $89.97 when we got it 2 years ago, so this sounds like quite a deal. It seems to have most of the features of the Zojirushi like settings, dual blade etc, except for the additional heater lid, with some of the same downsides like non-stick coating. We've used the WestBend now for almost two years and it's still going great.

We're not looking for an upgrade, but am a bit curious to what more you're getting for the higher pricetag...

Foreveryours 12-17-2012 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Crabba (Post 56155886)
We're not looking for an upgrade, but am a bit curious to what more you're getting for the higher pricetag...

You're buying a piece of mind when you buy any brand-name. Did you know your breadmaker would have performed as well as it did? I have many Zoji appliances around my house: electric skillet, griddle, and grills; water boiler; rice cooker; food jars; and a breadmaker. All of them work well and is still working after many many years of service.


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