Sandy Hook Question
 

I watched a video on Sandy Hook, and I expected to see a discussion about it on here. I searched for several terms, and I came up empty. Is talk regarding the Sandy Hook shooting banned on here?

What are you wanting to discuss about Sandy Hook?

The 30 minute video claiming it was a hoax.

You're not talking about that conspiracy theory, are you?

Yes, the one that got Anderson Cooper's panties in a wad.

This will be closed like the others

Okay, that answers my question. By the way, your post seems a bit creepy, especially if you say it in a monotone voice with your eyes wide open.

What is there to discuss about it?

It's a bunch of BS just like the purported "hoaxes" of the moon landing and 9/11.

There are a few things that make you scratch your head. I don't buy into the whole "They aren't acting like parents that just lost a child", because a reaction to a tragic lost doesn't have a blueprint. But there are things like that picture of the little girl with Obama. WTF? Is that real? It sure is convincing on the video, and I haven't seen anything to dispute it. And what about the websites that were created the day before? Is there an explanation for that? (I know there are a ton of tech gurus on here that would be able to explain it if there is, in fact, an explanation.)

Here's a start OP:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gu...own.asp#uw

Here's another:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=249587

i would like to discuss why you are fixated on anderson cooper's panties. any theories there? :lmao:

:lmao:

Oh gee.

Another one.

Vomit.

Yes we should all bury our heads in the sand and keep our earbuds plugged in to network news. :annoyed:

There is nothing wrong with questioning what you see/hear. In fact many times it is BETTER for YOU to come up with your own answers.

FTFY.

The sick assholes propagating this nonsense are as deranged as the shooters, living in their own fragile, fabricated realities.

Vault must work for the gummerment. He always has the answers. And if you disagree, obviously wear a tin foil hat and bark at the full moon. Thanks for stopping, have a great day now. :wave:

They are possibly out of touch, but by figuring out the answers to their "questions", you can inform yourself and stand on your own when anyone brings it up.

Hope the families sue the creator of that video.

Have you seen the long form?

Link?

No, no, no! The government should BAN that video. Think of the children!

That snopes piece is unimpressive,

According to the Newtown Bee, a "reliable local law enforcement source" told them that a man with a gun who was spotted in the woods near the school on the day of the incident was an "off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town."

Oh, so the "second shooter" was just some SWAT team member from another town (DC perhaps?) who happened to be hanging around in the woods with a gun. Now I'm not the least bit suspicious. That happens all the time :rolleyes:

I'm not saying I believe anything either way. I'm simply saying the video makes you think. Anyone who believes it was real simply because the news reported it to be so should Google Manti Te'o.

OP probably missed this....

I haven't looked at the video and chances are that I would not in the future either. But could you tell me what the most compelling evidence that the killing did not occur is? Or...please summarize the claim. Thanks.

There is a huge gulf between a hoax about a dead girlfriend and a theory about a staged school shooting wherein dozens of children died. The Sandy Hook Hoax Conspiracy goes right up there with staged moon landing for absurdity. There's no farking way something like that could be staged on such a scale. Anyone who believes that (or the 9/11 hoax for that matter) has severely overestimated the ability of the federal government to cover up a lie.

Also, what the video makes me think is "Wow, people are really stupid and will believe anything they read on the internet"

:lmao:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bufTna0WArc

I agree. Huge difference. The similarity would be that everyone believed it simply because it was on the news. I'm not comparing the loss of twenty children to the loss of Te'o's imaginary friend. I'm really not a conspiracy theorist either. I just find these things interesting.

But I disagree with your opinion that this couldn't be staged. Again, not saying it was; but it could have been.

Any event which results in the government grabbing more power should be viewed with skepticism and suspicion.

Whatever you do, don't read the links supplied that debunk this.

As should any event that results in any powerful organization like the NRA grabbing more power.....

The snopes piece is really unimpressive IMHO and literally debunks almost nothing. It looks like it was written by a bunch of middle school kids based on how thoroughly they discussed the claims.

Exactly.

True.

But there's plenty of dishonesty going around in discussions about the event, that doesn't require one to wear Reynold's headgear to discuss.

too many questions on 911 to just be swept under.. many civilians, firefighters, cops at the scene had different accts... the issue with the asbestos cleanup and insurance policy was suspect...the fact the owner said, "pull it" was suspect....the fact that GW refused to answer the 911 Commission alone and under oath was highly suspect...the videos removed from the pentagon "plane" crash and never shown was suspect....a few guys w/box cutters taking out 4 planes was very questionable ...several engineers/scientists questioned several of the occurrences and also found it suspect....the list goes on... I don't have the answers but I'd say the people deserve an independent commission to investigate the issue.... you can downplay what happened and question those who want answers, but I find it odd that you would just believe everything the gov't tells you when its well documented that gov't has lied to us many times before...

Sandy Hook affidavits remain sealed
http://www.ctpost.com/policerepor...150259.php
:dontknow:

Far as I know, still no videos or even screengrabs of the security video of the guy walking into the school or anything.

hit, just look at bengazi, an in your face lie follwed by "why does it matter now"? unbelievable.

so any time people question something and would like answers based on questionable facts, then you and others throw it in there with the moon landing conspiracy? clever tactic but expected....

so you don't believe Oswald was the lone JFK gunman? oh yea, you're like the ones that believe the moon is made of cheese... sounds similar eh? nice try bro..

Could you rewrite this so that it's intelligible?

The reason that there are conspiracy theories is due to the massive amount of misinformation provided by the media. We were given tons of wrong information. We were given specific details as facts, when they were very wrong. It's difficult to believe what is true and what isn't.

That said, we know many more of the details today. I am absolutely certain that there was no conspiracy.

my bad... I think I was still buzzing..... anyways.... what a lot of people do is bundle situations that merit question, with situations that may not merit question..

so for Ex., you or others might say, "so you don't believe Oswald was the lone JFK gunman? yea, you're just like the ones that believe the moon is made of cheese" ...so what you do is put in something legitimate with something thats not legitimate to discredit or mock both the same.. its basically whaf O'Reilly and alot of the MSM pundits do...

Ah, "poisoning the well". Truthfully the notion (that it was staged) is so absurd to me that I couldn't possibly poison a well that's ... well.. .. already full of poison.

I don't have all the info to say it was staged, but if there are questions about people being chased and handcuffed and put in the back of a cop car, I think its normal to ask who it was and why they were accosted... someone earlier mentioned no video of Lanza onsite was shown... just several questions is all I'm saying... then you get some people, "poisoning the well, as you a say, and then its all a huge alien conspiracy that dilutes the legitimate questions...

oh, and similar disinformation tactics such as cognitive infiltration in which shills go into chatrooms and forums for the purpose of diluting theories regarding negative views on government....
http://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-I...roduct_top are you familiar with cognitive infiltration? I've actually pointed it out a few times regarding tactics some on here use , as well as some that have multiple accts here on the same IP...they know who they are ... I guess you and others find it looney/tinfoilish/absurd/etc but I think questioning incidents that evoke political change, government power, and loss of rights is not only valid, but necessary...

The video proves to me that some people are stupid enough to believe anything.

Obama being re-elected established the same thing for me.

The fact that government (in it's current state) still exists, establishes it for me.

The GOP's inability to field a sensible candidate convinced me.

Crap... I cannot argue against that.

In response to your siggy, we are a nation of fatasses because of frickin corn. I blame that punk ass Jimmy Carter.

To be fair, the democrats came up with such crappy candidates that GWB was not just elected, but re-elected. I'm sensing some pot and kettle action here.

In fact, not only are we a nation filled with such idiots as to elect GWB twice and the DNC offering no one better... We now have the flipside of another power hungry idiot, but differing ideology... With two cycles of being elected quite a bit due to the other side not having a viable candidate does show one thing. Both parties are filled with dumbasses that are screwing up the country. That we keep re-electing, because we accept the dumbasses they give us to choose from to be our leadership.

To quote Obi-Wan Kenobi... "Who is the greater fool; The fool, or the fool who follows him?"

Lots of people voted for Obama but voted Republican for the congress and their local officials. They don't trust Obama to control budgets. Incumbent presidents average a 5 point advantage and that is what Obama got. so it was a dead heat with an a incomubent advantage

No, that's not what happened. The Republicans very successfully gerry-mandered Congressional districts in a number of key states. When they do this, an area with a democrat majority is set up so that it's 85% democrats -- they concentrate the democrats together like that -- and then they spread out the republican voters so they have 5% margins in their districts.

If you don't believe me, Google "Pennsylvania Congressional District Map" and see for yourself. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/PA

since 90% of presidential electors come from the district apportionment if that was true then Romney would have won electoral college.
Please go back to election law 101. you failed the first time

he democrats germander WAY more than republicans, that is a stone cold fact.
Obama got a higher proportion of electoral college voted than his popular vote. Why? because of democratic gerrymandering

Dems got more votes in congressional races than did Repubs.

If we redid the 2012 election calculation but instead awarded delegates based on congressional districts, whom so you think would have won, Romney or Obama?

and? do you understand how electoral college works?

it is designed to reduce regionalism. Otherwise you would have presidential candidates only bother with the biggest cities and biggest states.

The US doesn't work on aggregate votes, but aggregations of areas. this is by design to reduce fracturous populism and regionalism. And the point stands to accuse s=republicans of gerrymandering when the dems do it just as much is absurd.

don't you think the fact that dems got more votes but repuns got more house seats is an indication that there was more gerrymandering in favor of repubs?

You are incorrect. 48 states award all of their presidential electors to the presidential candidate who wins a majority in the election state-wide. Only Nebraska and Maine split their electors.

Huh huh huh. You and your silly "facts." :-)

Sad but true.

the thing is usally you have to puppets, as we usually have, vying for the same position...they recieve a ton of corporation money and lobby money from different sects ...so when someone comes along that is honest, genuine and noble, they have to depend on the people for their support and dollars which is just too much for the little guy, and they're demolished by both the rich and powerful governmental and non-governmental groups...and that also happens in state and local elections more than we think... its hard to be the honest little guy that fights for the people, because they don't fit the status quo mold...

Amen. We are doomed until we take out or at least severely limit the influence of money in/on our elections.

Sandy Hook was a hoax... Green screen was used by the media... Crisis actors... All of it... It is now being called Sandy Hoax...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM...ploademail

I can see the green screen around the boarders...

SANDY HOOK ACTOR Gene Rosen EXPOSED: Practice Interview vs. Later Interview [VIDEO] [secretsofthefed.com]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...65484038_n.jpg

SANDY HOOK ACTOR Gene Rosen EXPOSED: Practice Interview vs. Later Interview [VIDEO]

Gene Rosen EXPOSED: Practice Interview vs. Later In [youtube.com]

A youtube video inside a youtube video, is that like Inception?

Actually, Yeah... Sandy Hoax is like Inception...

Sandy Hoax No Indignant Parents - Morris [youtube.com]

Why are there no parents screaming and shouting "How dare you say my child didn't die!"?

Because someone sick enough to believe a child massacre is a hoax is just as disconnected from reality and scary as the Sandy Hook shooter.

Actually, more like the media ran out of crisis actors...

It makes me sick to my stomach to think of those poor parents who have to grieve over the loss of their first grade children, while sick individuals claim that the whole thing never happened. It frightens me to realize that people so detached from reality are living freely amongst us.

Where are those parents?... Oh yeah... crisis actors are auditioning now...

They're right here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/n...-1.1239915
You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...e15n-4-web.jpg

I didn't see real grieving parents of a children on an interview that I can think of....even the thought of talking about their slain CHILD months after should bring REAL tears, emotion, and facial reactions .. I saw a few vids of some of the parents days and weeks after, and I don't remember seeing anything that would lead me to believe they lost a child, look for yourself and please find me one with real tears and emotion... I'm not saying nothing happened.. and I don't have a problem with people questioning what happened..... and the fact that both of supposed killers of this and the theatre shooting both had mental issues, and both their fathers had somewhat linked to the LIBOR scandal is suspect.... I just happen to question things when events like this, 9/11 and others open doors for gov't to grow in power and people to lose rights... but you don't seem to question anything, and everything is automatically a looney conspiracy to you.... and I question people like you when everything is always hunky dory and question nothing...

if is proven then link the proof, and don't use secretsoftheilluminati.org, or prisonplanet.com and the like

I have rarely heard such ignorance.

It's mind blowing isn't it?

its a fact, that there are Crisis Actors but are you saying there is proof that the Sandy Hook people were Crisis Actors as well, or is this just a theory. I'm not saying either, or , but I'd like to see some evidence if that is your claim.

It sure is...

Sandy Hook father smiling laughing then goes on tv fake crying [youtube.com]

Alligator Tears "Iv got SOLID PROOF Emily Is Alive, Sandy Hoax is FAKE!! Solid Proof!! New Evidence" [youtube.com]

http://www.youtube.com/results?se...S6REk_uDoo

Sandy Hook Crisis Actors [youtube.com]

seen those, and I agree they all seem COMPLETELY phony, but still waiting for evidence they are crisis actors... do you have any?

That's all the evidence you need... Try contacting their agent... You'll get CIA... That agency...

Holy shit that's your proof?!

Here's what the guy who uploaded the video had to say about it in the comments...

Yea, he sounds like a real sane guy...

You should be banned from this forum.

Motion seconded...

A government shill...
Guys get temp banned all the time when they troll me... Tell me exactly why I should be banned...

No, if I was to go into the reason why I believe you should be banned, I would likely get a temp ban myself.
I'm not one to mince words...

Funny how the guys who troll me have been temp banned... Yet I've never been banned once... :D

That's because they generally don't consider what you're doing, as trolling...

Exactly... There you have it...

:lol:

Well, you know....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bufTna0WArc


Just like the ever classic response here, "If you don't believe me, google it."

LMFAO


These Sandy Hooky conspiracy theorists should really be ashamed of themselves.

Motion thirded, and it's a mystery that this thread hasn't been closed

Agreed. all the other ones were.

True (funny) story. After being on the list and heavily contributing for several months, I once bragged that I had not gotten even a single warning. Within days, if not hours, I got my first waning. (And it was all downhill from there. :() Needless to say I learned my lesson. :)

But more seriously......and I admit I do not know and I do not want to know the exact nature of the claims that SH has been a hoax, mostly like the other poster it makes me sick to my stomach even thinking about this. But stipulating that this is a hoax, given that the claim is 20 kids and a couple adults are dead, I say there are dozens others that have witnessed the carnage. Also, the (real) school has hundreds of children who have not been killed. (Or is the claim that no such school ever existed kinda like the claim that Qaddafi is still alive and in control?) Have any of those parents come forward saying their child was in the same class and they did not see anything? Just how many people do you need to be on this "hoax" in order for it to stand to scrutiny.

And then there are all these hungry young fearless journalists who would love to make a big name for themselves.......how about Faux News, how about the NRA, how about good old (and senile) Wayne Lapierre? (Note I did not mention Ted Nugent because frankly I do not give a rat's ass what he says.)

Lastly, there is a clear line between simply posing the question (as to whether or not SH is a hoax) or asking other questions AND come right out and declare with absolute certainty that one believes, nay, knows that SH is a hoax. Kinda similar to the clear line between saying that one believes Ron Paul would win or should win and declare that one knows that Ron Paul will be inaugurated in 2013. BTW how did that prediction come along? :lmao:

And the Moderators should be ashamed of themselves, and we should be ashamed of ourselves for having anything to do with a board that promotes such hateful speech.

and why should Sandy Hook threads be closed with all the evidence of the hoax out there...

That's a good point.
Why the hell wouldn't someone blow this story wide open, if there is so much evidence to support that it was all just a hoax created by our goverment.
That would be the story of the century!

Let's see what excuse NM comes up with for this...

Yes, there I have it...

These are the same mods that you have accuses of being part of the cover up in the past, when they closed your Ron Paul threads.
And if you really believe that to be the case, why wouldn't they just have banned you a long time ago?

He'll probably point to more "evidence" found on youtube and google.

:lmao:

Ummm... Let's see... because the Corporations, the CIA and the Govt. runs mainstream media... Yeah, that's it...

so you believe the internet is infallible?

:lol:

Uuhh, bonjour....

Hate speech = any speech Rebound doesn't like.

SD isn't "promoting" something just because that something is allowed to be mentioned.
The moderators should be applauded for allowing discussion of controversial subjects.
If you want an easy way to push a conspiracy theory, forbid people from talking about the theory.

It'd be nice if NM wouldn't multi-quote so many people and paragraphs all the time just to add one sentence, though.

>all the evidence of the hoax
>all the evidence
>evidence

http://www.gifcrap.com/g2data/albums...to%20laugh.gif

The internet is the last form of communication that hasn't been totally compromised to the establishment... yet...

I consider every post/thread deletion as vindication... :D

:lmao:

The goverment runs all mainstream media?
There's not a single one who would blow this story wide open if they could?

Excellent.

Not unless they want to lose their job or get suicided... Wasn't it Lou Dobbs who got his house shot at?... What about Breitbart?...

:eek: :confused: :eek: :rolleyes: :eek:

Soooooooo... youtube will pull down ANYTHING that rubs the RIAA, MPAA, ASCAP, the FBI or anyone with enough power (ie the Government) the wrong way - but... allows these "proof" of Sandy Hook Hoax videos to continue to be viewed? Suuuuuuurre.

What would you think if your first grade son was murdered, and a bunch of hayseeds call you a liar?

I don't see how there is anything political about this. Those children really are dead, and it's awful.

A lot of Sandy Hoax videos were pulled by YouTube... and accounts closed etc...

Bull. There are dozens of " Sandy Hook Hoax" videos on YouTube. They obviously aren't systematically deleting these videos.

I don't know one way or the other with certainty. Truthfully, no one that does not live in that area has a clue what has occurred aside from what the media chooses to tell us. We are given information that will sell, and conforms to whatever the prevailing government agency at the moment chooses to announce.

First Adam Lanza left the AR15 in the trunk... Then it was the weapon used to kill everyone. Then we have the father of a child that was allegedly killed laughing and joking, and transforming his facial expression to play to the camera.

All of this stuff comes up rather conveniently after the election, right after Obama fumbled Bengazi... And Obama has had a history of wanting to remove civilian firearms. It has also been on the leftist check off list for a very long time. Then suddenly we have two mass shootings in succession.

I'm not going to sit here and say it is a conspiracy definitively, because I don't have enough information to justify that. Just as no one here has enough information to say without a doubt that it was legit. It does look fishy, though... And the government does have motive. Both with the alleged Libor testimony connection between the fathers of James Holmes and Adam Lanza.

It's worth exploring the possibility, and discussing... But to claim with absolute certainty to know the exact chain of events with either of those two shootings or claim to know why they occurred and how they could be prevented is pretty absurd.

Those that would suggest that these two events are legit and then suggest that they could be prevented by banning certain types of weapons that are very rarely used in crimes in comparison to their distribution have no room to talk trash about those that question the legitimacy of these events. I don't have a problem with those that wish to explore options on how such tragedies could be prevented...

But, it is just as ludicrous to claim with certainty that these sorts of crimes would stop if we just took away a civil liberty (which alone should raise flags as to whether such events are legit, when the first thing suggested involves removing said liberties), deserves no less or more ridicule than those that claim to know with certainty that either of the shootings were either legit or not.

The fact is, we are at the mercy of the media that is the professional wrestling of providing information to the masses. Just as professional wrestling is not really a legitimate sport, the news services should have to refer to themselves as "news entertainment". They're no more news than a "juice drink" is juice. Yeah, the "juice drink" has some juice, and our information providers have some actual useful information there... They really are confirmation bias factories that sell us what conforms to the views they expect us to have, based on the demographic that watches them, so we will sit there and drool at the screen and sell airtime for their sponsors.

and if the MSM gives you different accts of what happened, and excludes information of things that did happen, then you believe it and don't question it, great logic.. you should be ashamed always taking everything you hear as fact...

yes, you should be ashamed, but for something else...

so now if you question incidents that deem question, its hateful speech... I guess you're oblivious to any propaganda this or other gov'ts have put out in the past, or is that a conspiracy theory???? again, I"m not saying the gov't is involved, but we should have some questions answer as to what happpened, ESPECIALLY since this event has brought so much attention to removing some weapons of protection per the 2nd amendment....

good question, why isnt the MSM questioning the accts of what happend as Jack Handey below commmented on....why is there no information of the 2 people accosted and handcuffed at the scene...do you doubt there were to others arrested? you don't have to say it was gov't, or a conspiracy, but its your duty to question when something doesn't add up or info is withheld or changed


I would say the gov't along with corporations run the mediea...I believe there are 6 that own all the media and they have a hand in what goes on or not... I'm guessing you will doubt that as well?


mostly this, except I don't agree that its a leftist agenda necessarily although its seems like its coming from the leftist side...I know that won't make sense, but if you look at the Naplitano video in my sig, you'll see how he talks about both sides being the same... its just a method used to get create issues/arguments and have people choose a side... when both still do the same thing at the end of the day...someone please prove me wrong ...and someone prove to me that most of our poliiticians are making a ton of money from the lobby sector, and special interest groups... is that a conspiracy too?

Choosing which side of the aisle one sits on is merely choosing one's path to hell, and trying to find the most palatable journey to an unpleasant end. Agreed that they both trod upon civil rights, and in the end the only difference between the two is which they trod upon.

However, taking guns away is something traditionally a leftist agenda thing, just as taking away abortion is typically a right wing thing. The left will tell you what you can eat or if you can smoke... or tax the hell out of you, should you not comply... The right will tell people who and when they can screw, with the penalty of withdrawing access to social benefits given to people that comply. The left supports freedom of speech more, but would deny people the right to bear arms, should the government turn a deaf ear to the people. The right supports gun ownership, but expects the people to hold their tongue more often.

So yes, pick your poison and choose the form of damnation one will face. A shame not enough people are willing to just abandon both major parties and move elsewhere with their votes.

:confused:

but... but... The media never lies... Do they?...

Knowledge fixes ignorance, but you can't fix stupid.

well, knowledge youself :lmao: :woot:

MSM showed footage of the rifle in the trunk..tthen there were confirmed claims of a shotgun used....

then there were accounts by witnesses of a person chased and handcuffed in the woods...and one hancuffed in the school....witnesses said they saw this...what mention of these and/or questioning of these accts have you heard in the news?

so what the fark are you confused about????? or do you just decide to go along with everything you hear....damn..you should at least ask, yea, what about that? or if you have an answer to those questions please let me know, because I haven't heard anything on that

edit..sorry to get frustrated, but I can't tell if you're just acting clueless or if you're sincerely clueless....

Judge Napolitano on Obama's Recent executive order regarding cyber attacks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfOcv9hQ_U

Confused how you came up with that from that post.

You bunch of clueless people should get off your computers, and take a trip down there- quit making assumptions and spewing drivel. Then you will get some real answers, not just "evidence" you found on the internet.

still confused?...well, you act like EVERYTHING on the internet is false and you mock those who use it for information. But then you take everything the MSM puts out as fact, and even when their stories are different, or change, or exclude or don't report on specific events in the case, you don't question them or turn cheek...still confused/clueless? did the MSM go in depth about the fact that 2 other people were accosted and handcuffed? yes or no? are you not curious why???? then the media showed an officer taking a rifle out of the back of the car, and there were statements made on site and confirmed that a shotgun was being used, but all the MSM talks about now is the AR-15...is that a lie or something conjured up from the internet is that fact? do you care? probably not...

That is quite an assumption.

true, so strike that...but you sure don't seem to queston much on the topic... and if you would, what about answering the other points I made...

Actually one might argue that stupid people must be fixed.

HarHarHar

look at the MSM- they cover what is popular (at the moment), not so much important. (i.e. Rubio drinking water)

the events of that day were so chaotic, every news outlet was repeating things they were being told without verifying them first. of course there were numerous errors in several reports, but people want information immediately these days. the internet/social media has created an expectation of instant gratification and total disregard for common decency.

So is there a fine line between common decency and wanting to know the truth?...

Could the murder of twenty first graders be faked in your town? Could there be a conspiracy like that which closes an entire school, and involves schoolteachers, children, the police chief, parents, the superintendent and a whole police force?

You do admit that there really is a town called Sandy Hook, or is it an imaginary town, and all the mapmakers have been in on it for a few hundred years? Or did the government replace all the maps in all the libraries and everybody's homes and the Internet? And all the people in the nearby towns never drove there? Or is the whole state of Connecticut a hoax? Is our reality a hoax?

So if there is a Sandy Hook, surely people live there. And if they live there, surely they know if they have an elementary school, and in fact, since its a small town, most people know someone with a kid in elementary school... so now explain how a real elementary school with real teachers and students in a real town acts together to pretend that twenty children were murdered? Walk us through that...

We are...

No. You have not provided a single fact indicating that it's a hoax. You have links to videos, that's all you have. And those videos contain no proof.

Video shows green screen being used by the media... as well as crisis actors... Footage of a totally different school parking lot... multiple shooters arrested at the scene of the shooting then released... all telltale signs of a false flag...

No, the video does not show a green screen. It shows the edge of a building, which the conspiracy theorist called a green screen.

I didn't see footage of the parking lot of another school... but how would that prove the shooting is a hoax? I don't know who was arrested at the scene, but multiple arrests after such an incident are not uncommon. That's how Timothy McVeigh was caught; the police were extra-vigilant, so they arrested him for driving without a plate.

Green screen... a different school parking lot... and all the rest... McVeigh was arrested days later for speeding... That's how he was caught... but Oklahoma City is a different false flag altogether...

Because you know for a fact every aspect of that youtube video is 100% accurate? Damn, they need to hire that guy since he was able to compile such irrefutable evidence just sitting at his computer. He has revolutionized the investigative process.

:lol:


UuHh......bonjour?!

there's no video proof of 1 other person being chased, accosted, and arrested? there's no video proof of 2 witnesses saying that they saw someone handcuffed, 2 different people hancuffed, one in the school, and 1 in the woods??? there's no video proof of the cop taking the rifle out of the trunk of a car? there's no audio proof of the police scanner saying there's a confirmed shotgun being used? show me video evidence of parents that look like they're in actual mourning after being interviewed days later, please, because there is a lot of video evidence of fake tears, and a lot of smiling from different parents.... there's more, but y'all refuse to bring it up or question.. MSM says what happened, different stories, different accounts, no school video whatsoever shown, no pictures of the supposedly so many windows blown out, no reports whatsoever of the 2 men handcuffed, but here some of you are mocking and taking everything you'd heard by the media as what happened... ??? do you have any answers? please fill me in

and everything that happened is trying to take some of our weapons away, and still nothing from y'alls end....just go with the flow? and we should be ashamed???? I hope some of y'all don't have kids because you should be ashamed, and I don't know how some look at your kids and tell them you love them because the action and loss of rights that take place is much greater than a few of us wanting reasonable questions to be answered....

I didn't see the green screen either...and some may use that term that some of the questions are "poisoning the well," but the questions I brought up I think are valid...there are others I didn't point out, but those were just a few....

At 1:47 of the video...
SANDY HOOK ACTOR Gene Rosen EXPOSED: Practice Interview vs. Later Interview [youtube.com]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...65484038_n.jpg

Wag the Dog kids...

Just like when Al-Jazeera uses that movie set of theirs in Qatar...

See.....here is the real problem with national debt. Gov is too broke to hire good crisis actors. These actors cannot even fake mourning.

Ok, let's take one of those. So say they arrested another person at the scene. So what? How having arrested a second (or third) person means that Sandy Hook was a hoax? Please explain.

You just said it yourself in your own post... :lol:

when did I EVER say Sandy Hook was a hoax??? thread is about sandy hook questions.... if someone wants to say there are green screens or the illuminati did it that is one thing, but don't throw others in the well when they are asking "Sandy Questions".. my feeling is to question legitimate things when something as monumental as the 2nd amendment might be infringed upon...its on the news everyday and this even was a huge mark on the gun issue... there are legitimate questions and we should know facts....do you agree or disagree with the fact the gov't and media has lied, edited, or withheld facts in the past? has go't been questioned before in regards to manipulating media??

You forgot crisis actors...

Ok, so what do you thinking posing such question implies? What are we to think/conclude when you pose such a question? What lie has been told wrt to the additional arrests?

I see what you're doing, but don't..:shake:

The proof is front of their eyes... I am witnessing severe suspension of disbelief here...

I don't know but why would such important actions/events not be questioned?...

same as I don't know why JFK was killed... what do you think posing such questions as to who all really killed him....what to conclude/think when we pose questions? some will say its a strawman, but I'm just ing giving an example.....

I've feel I've posed valid questions, we don't have the answers, but we should have answers if the 2nd amendment is being attacked because of it.... my question is, why aren't you or others questions something so monumental... how about the other questons I posed, about gov't and media lieing, editing, misinforming in the past, do you agree or disagree that has happened before?

Fine.

What lies do you claim have been told about the additional arrests?

I am all for asking questions.

jeezus ... read my comments, where did I say they lied about the additional arrests, or are you just trying to dissect and nitpick comments?

"there's no video proof of 1 other person being chased, accosted, and arrested? there's no video proof of 2 witnesses saying that they saw someone handcuffed, 2 different people hancuffed, one in the school, and 1 in the woods??? there's no video proof of the cop taking the rifle out of the trunk of a car? there's no audio proof of the police scanner saying there's a confirmed shotgun being used? show me video evidence of parents that look like they're in actual mourning after being interviewed days later, please, because there is a lot of video evidence of fake tears, and a lot of smiling from different parents.... there's more, but y'all refuse to bring it up or question.. MSM says what happened, different stories, different accounts, no school video whatsoever shown, no pictures of the supposedly so many windows blown out, no reports whatsoever of the 2 men handcuffed, ..."

i know how some of y'all take turns trying to mock or nitpick, but I still haven't heard anyone talk answer any of the above....

You won't get an answer to this.

They can't answer it. It will ruin the entire silly game.

Ok, let's take case of a rifle in the trunk. Let's stipulate that there is a video showing that. So what? I am not mocking you. I am trying to see if there is anything there.

WTH are you talking about? answer what? thats what we're looking for..ANSWERS...jeezus... is Cass Sunstein helping you out?

there is a video of that LEO's removing a rifle from the trunk of Lanzo's car...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_NllT1iDo

so anyone here mocking...am I making anything up?

there is audio of a cop stating there is a confirmed shotgun being used
then there is media info of AR-15 being used...

there was a someone running from cops, and arrested in the woods...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feat...uBNA#t=61s

am I making this up? is this fake? and what was the information on this person arrested...

here is a witness from the scene saying a man was arrested and taken from the woods.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovspEgeMXb4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feat...n8xQ#t=59s

is this some imaginary person the man saw?.... but you haven't heard anything else from the media. about it...

and then the police scanner audio that states "be advised, we have multiple weapons, including one rifle and one shot gun..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feat...6VE#t=285s

is this also fake footage???


then there is one of the kids that saw a man pinned down and handcuffed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feat...lsJI#t=35s

is this fake too?

so whats the story, and why can't anyone get the info straight, and why is none of it being questioned...

Uh, Kids... the whole thing is a psyop... similar arrests and inconsistencies occurred after the events of 9/11...

I was concentrating on one of your questions. Please tell us the significance of the rifle in the trunk and identify the lie, if any, that the gov has told re the said rifle. Thanks.

the significance is that the rifle is said to have been used in the mass murder of children, and now the gov't is making a push to have those guns removed from the people therefore infringing on the 2nd amendment which is there in case our or future generations ever see's more rights lost and feels the need to stand up to a tyrannical gov't as is mentioned in the 2nd amendment...

another significance is that is there wasn't an AR-15 rifle used, then there shouldn't be a push to get those rifles out of our hands...

not sure why you asked that, couldn't you have come up with that on your own? its not really rocket science

Well, I was hoping you would identify an explicit lie that I could then investigate it. So I assume you are claiming that if an assault weapon was recovered from a car, then the killer could have not have used an assault weapon in his killings. So a couple questions:

1. Is there a cite that definitively identifies the car from whose trunk a rifle was recovered belonging to the killer?

2. How do we eliminate the possibility that the killer had two assault weapons?

There have been countless incidents of shootings and mass shootings with the AR15. Surely they can't all be made up.

who said they're all made up??

.. countless incidents and mass shootings with the AR-15's?? Does that include cops/military using them, or is this some mass shootings that are never reported or what?? I guess you're somewhat right as far as countless though, since I haven't been able to find a statistic on AR-15's being used in crime...


maybe the cops checked Alex Jones' trunk, and the media flew over his house and decided to film that ? not sure TRNT,...if it wasn't Lanza's car, then fine, but we should of at least heard something that the guns found in the trunk weren't Lanza's, his mother, nor was it his car, and that it happened to be a car with an AR-15 in it, regardless, we should have heard something, do you agree?

not sure, we've been misinformed by cops and media, what are we to believe, thats why I think its important to question the findings.... AR-15 is the huge culprit, but how many handguns were found to have been used, and what about the shotgun the cop confirmed was being used.../?

Why don't you guys youtube/google for answers??

you have gotten such concrete evidence there for your questions......



If your serious, take a trip over there. talk to some real people.

Why should my AR15 be taken away because somebody else misused his?

:scratchh: uhhh...cuz there are no answer from youtube/google/media/cops...get it? just a lot of fear mongering in order for semi's to be taken from the people...

so you DO understand what you are what you are doing....


:lol:

UuhhUhh...bonjour?!?!

uhhh...asking questions to unanswered findings...

but whats your response?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAXSje6ipD4

findings youtube showed you....



:lmao:

UuhhUhh...bonjour?!?!

are your parents related, or did you not see ANY of this on the news? so are you saying its all fake?

now you trust them??

apparently you are..


take a trip down there. find something out for yourself instead regurgitating what you heard on the internet.


mamadas....

apparently, I am... .......... ............. :lol: mmmmkay...guy on the internet

make sure to tell your mom-aunt....

looked again, couldn't see it....its just doesn't sound like something media would do...I can see misinformation through editing context or keeping pertinent info to themselves, but blue screen? do you have any evidence this has even been done before? or it this something new they're doing...

the rifle in the trunk was live helicopter footage..some others were local footage...its all a big cluster... NEWSFLASH, NEWSFLASH, the MSM/Gov't says the moon is made of cheese...

empiretc: well yeah... BONJOUR!! :lol: :lmao:

Do you have the video of the police removing the "rifle" from the trunk? The only video I have seen is them with the shotgun.

If your statement was pure sarcasm then please disregard this post.

Third time posting... Proof of green screen used at 1:47 of the video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM...ploademail
You can take a trip to Sandy Hook yourself... try talking to real people... Ask the kids who attended the school... they'll say there was a drill that day... You'll find no witnesses to any shooting...

Sandy Hook Hoax_Ring Around the Rosie [youtube.com]

Wag the dog kids... Wag the dog...

see first video below...and not sure if it was an AR-15 or AR-15 style ...

Um, that's a shotgun they recovered. Saiga-12 I believe.

Ahh, I see. So one of your complaints was people who would dismiss those who would ask questions by insinuating that they are way out there. And what do you do here by invoking Alex Jones' trunk? Tsk, tsk.

Look, I recall hearing many, including I believe President Obama, referring to a Bushmaster having been used by the killer. Is it your claim that the gun shown in the video to have been recovered from the killer's trunk to be a Bushmaster? Got any credible claims that the weapon recovered from the trunk was a Bushmaster?

You referred to lies told by the gov wrt to this incident. You even innocently acknowledged the existence of crisis actors. However, I have asked several times to identify one such lie, say wrt to the weapons found in the trunk and none has come forward from you. Existence of questions and lack of answers to these questions are not the same as lies.

But I give up on that front. Happy "questioning"!

Well perhaps one of those innocent questions is answered. The weapon recovered from the trunk was a Saiga while the weapon used in the killings was a Bushmaster.

Ah, what a relief!

Have you? That is, have you taken that trip and talking to real people?

I'll ask you... Who do you know in Sandy Hook?...

I'll get to your points, but for now, you should do what you're always doing..and go back to sleep...here , this may help...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G_EHEuzmU0...p-1024x768.jpg

ok, that makes sense by the way the cop was cocking it...

why are you so distraught with people asking questions??? especially when there has been so much misinformation about what happpened?? questions questions questions...they're ok...

and again, I never said it was a hoax....but to have different stories..then the video I posted says there were 4 guns used... so I question that...so what is your problem in me posting a question question? ? ?

you on the other hand from what I've seen haven't mentioned anything regarding possibly losing 2nd amendment rights? but I'm not surprised .. sorry, did I wake you?

I looked at the vid again...and I don't believe it was a Saiga..do you remember your source? I could be wrong, but wanted to see where you saw that

If I were distraught, I would be attacking posters constantly. For example, I would be asking them if their parent were related.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/...index.html
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/new...31071.html

And I'm going to assume your previous reply was sarcastic. I suggest you look up some information on the Saiga-12. It is not your traditional shotgun.

because in my opinion your question was stupid...you asked something about if that was Lanza's car in the video or something like that.... Hell, I'm guessing it was Lanza's car... why else would they have a bunch of cops around it with a friggin helicopter video taping it during a Sandy Hook massacre and say it was his car....I mean, really? you had to ask that?

there is some new information from a couple of federal officials and state officials, they say now that there were actually FOUR handguns...NOT just two like initially told, FOUR handguns, and apparently only handguns, that were taken into the school....also had a ...AR-15 style taken to the school....BUT we've been told by SEVERAL OFFICIALS that he LEFT THAT IN THE CAR...." where the fark am I wrong for questioning anything?? you receive different accounts, are fine with us losing guns, (not to mention all the other things you're ok with), I never hear you make issue with just about anything that has to do with loss of liberties, you just take it all in , and question nothing, ever ... I'm beginning to think more and more you have a specific agenda....and its becomming more and more apparent....

and, IN MY OPINION, yes, there are lies being distributed by either the media or the cops..one or the other...because I think even you could get your story straight...yes, you....well, ok, maybe not you.... but anyways, you have PROFESSIONAL reporters, correct...there is supposedly a massacre... you ask the authorities questions and you get answers....are they getting answers from a hobo whos friend has a cousin, who's sister knew someone from Sandy Hook? NO, they are getting their information from the authorities...now, the authorities says, there was 1 had gun used, and an AR-15 used...so now being a professional, you would think they would confirm what the info they rec'd correct...but no, so then somehow a and/or reporters confuse that information for 4 handguns, and no rifles, and reports that the rifle was found in the trunk.... HELL NO...I'm not buying the mistakes or misinformation excuse any more....

and yes, happy "questioning," as this is a Sandy Hook questions thread...welcome and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAXSje6ipD4

no, just thought the person was acting retarded, thats why I asked that.. sorry if it bothered you that I asked the "question"...I know how you don't like those...

yea, so I was thinking something completely different...so from what you guys know, is Saiga-12 the same thing as a Izhmash Canta-12?

the source I provided stated the AR-15 was in the trunk...looks like the little piece of vid apparently shows a shotgun...but I didn't see anything before or after that piece..
also because Barrack Hussein Obama referred to a Bushmaster having been used by the killer, I would take that with a grain of salt, we all know he's not very credible when it comes to honesty...I think I'd believe Sean Hannity over Barack H

are you claiming there is no such things as Crisis Actors?????? really?

well, first of all, I NEVER implied they were used here, and 2nd of all, look it up and see if the exist or not, then come back and let us know what you found...

Probably safe to say that you didn't really look closely into any of the claims being made then, isn't it?

and per that NBC link, could you tell what the other long gun they pulled out from the trunk, I couldn't tell...

no,its not safe to say...I'm not as knowledgeable on guns as others...they pointed out that it was a shotgun, and I was thinking something else...but nice try....

Just admit you haven't bothered to test the veracity of any of the multitude of junk claims being made.

It's really rather obvious.

Yes, there are. I think we can agree on this. However, they have denied any involvement in the Sandy Hook massacre. Crisis Actors do not engage in real-world crisis events.

Crisis actors proven... still no response... :shake:
Crisis actors... and green screen... Proven...
Crisis actors... proven...

Just hush.

You've never proven a single solitary thing.

Ever.

So what are crisis actors used for?... Gene Rosen for example?...

You mean when there's no response?... I'll take that as point proven... :DGene Rosen EXPOSED: Practice Interview vs. Later In [youtube.com]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...65484038_n.jpg

so the solution the mods give for NM 156's ramblings is to just put him on ignore, and hopefully if noone replies to him, he'll go away.
Since insanity apparently is not against the rules :whee:

When the truth hurts... Just troll... When all else fails... Put on ignore... :doh:

Personally, I think the mods are trying to find a balance. If they outright permaban him, that only feeds into the "They're silencing the truth!!" tinfoil-hattery. So they let him be & he consistently demonstrates his inability to actually engage in substantive debate.

Yes, it's frustrating. But you don't have to put a neon sign proclaiming "dog shit!" over a pile of turds for everyone else to recognize that it is, in fact, dog shit. ;)