PC Digital Download Games: Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition $16, Dead Island $4, Dead Island Game of the Year Edition $5.50, Downloadable Content $3 & More
 

PC Digital Download Games: Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition $16, Dead Island $4, Dead Island Game of the Year Edition $5.50, Downloadable Content $3 & More
 

Green Man Gaming has a few PC Digital Download Games on sale. Save an extra 20% off with voucher code GMG20-PJFEW-Y16HK. Thanks DJ3xclusive

Prices after discount

• Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition $16
• Dead Island Games
  • Dead Island $4
  • Dead Island: Game of the Year $5.50
  • Dead Island: Bloodbath DLC $2.70
  • Dead Island: Ryder White DLC $2.70
  • Dead Island Upgrade Pack $2.70
• Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed(pre-order) $21.50 + $2 GMG Credit or $1 Cash Back

Cheapest Dark Souls for PC has been without an editor's choice coupon. Nice!

Don't think I can bite on Sonic Racing until it's 15 or less, though. Looks really fun but the only characters/levels I would recognize are out of Sonic, Wreck-it Ralph, the TF2 chars, and.... that's it. Needs Bayonetta.

Don't waste your money on dark souls unless you love horrible console ports. Bought it yesterday and immediately requested a refund. EVERYTHING in the game is still console based, the beginning tutorials still tell you to press xbox buttons etc. Normally I can deal with a little bit of this, but in this case it makes the game completely unplayable. Also, if you have multi displays forget about it. This game does not constrain the mouse to the game window, so you're constantly clicking out of the game window while attempting to look around. The game might be alright on the console, but that's where it should have stayed.

Most people serious about their gaming on a PC use a 360 controller anyway. So what's the big deal? Who honestly attempts to play most of these games with a keyboard and mouse? :lmao:

From the IGN review:

"The mouse and keyboard controls in the Prepare to Die edition are a war crime. Losing the gentle acceleration of analog movement would have been bad enough, but the mouse doesn't control the camera so much as wrestle it around on a rubber leash. Meanwhile, the GUI's adaption to the keyboard is just awkward. All told, you could be playing on an emulator. If you don't own a pad but somehow end up with Dark Souls running on your PC, remove the power cable from the back with a barge pole.

But if you do own a pad, and quickly grab this 80Kb fan hotpix, which unlocks the game's resolution from 1024x720, you'll be able to enjoy the definitive edition of Dark Souls..."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/...ion-review

Quitwcher bitchin', and get a gamepad.

if I wanted to use a gamepad I'd buy a console, but that's not the point here.. the point is this is a sub par product for pc

The Steam store page for this game strongly recommends a gamepad. It's a shoddy port if you don't have a gamepad, though some people apparently have played through with mouse and keyboard successfully.

It takes some real effort to play with the keyboard and mouse but it can be done. I played most of the game with them until I could get MotionJoy to work correctly with the game so I could use my PS3 controller.

I don't know if I could have possibly taken some of the harder fights with the keyboard though.

That's a ridiculous argument. Graphical fidelity is the reason we play PC games, as is the cost of said games. I LOVE playing a lot of PC games with a gamepad. 3rd person games are absolutely horrible with a keyboard and mouse. Just accept that some games are just better than a controller.

e.g. Far Cry 3, while better to run around and shoot with a keyboard and mouse, has awful driving with a keyboard and mouse, and a controller is 1000000x better for those segments.

It's not fair to call the controls shoddy when quite simply a keyboard is not an effective way to play Dark Souls. Next you'll be telling me you play racing games with a keyboard, too. lol.

Do your research before you start complaining ;)

So basically, if you have a console, just buy a used copy of this for 1/2 the price?

From what you all said, I see no reason to ever buy this on PC, unless you don't own a 360/ps3.

I don't mind playing with a controller on PC if it is better. Kind of like how I wish I could play some games on console with a legitimate keyboard/mouse :)

There's additional content on the PC version, and better graphics once the resolution fix is applied. But the coop/invasion games are going to be more lively and reliable on the 360/PS3.

Best deals for sure is Dark Souls and Dead Island GOTY (DLC are there for those who are interested)

So wrong. http://blog.metaclassofnil.com/?tag=dsfix
By far the best version of Dark Souls when you are playing at 1080P, full AA and ambient occlusion and unlocked framerate that never drops below 60. Plus the PC version includes all the paid DLC the console versions don't come with.

Yeah it sucks you need a fan patch to fix it (the fact this guy fixed the port the day it came out shows it is quite a lazy port), but even so it makes it worth it.

Also any PC gamer should have an Xbox 360 controller anyway. A ton of games are better off with it, and it is a necessity for Dark Souls.

Use PS3 gamepad + motioninjoy program , but need to set it as a Xbox360 gamepad. Work perfect . Then use DSfix 2.0 mod for better graphic . You should give it a try first.

Get Dark Souls now! One of the best games IMO. But yes you do need a gamepad and you will need to mod the game to have HD resolution, but it's worth it!

I used to get all my games on console and then I got tired of over priced DLC and games not going really low.

I can wait awhile and get a game+all dlc for less than 20 on PC, but on xbox the game will typically be 20+ and each DLC will never go under 5 or 7.50 if you're lucky to catch it on sale.

Will be grabbing Dark Souls on Amazon for 12.50 but great prices without coupons.

From was harassed about making a PC port even though they had no experience with computer games. They were 100% honest about this from day one and the community told them they didn't care and wanted it anyway. There are some pretty aggravating cases of consolitis, but Dark Souls isn't one that has bothered me. This is purely a case of people asking for something, being told pretty clearly how it was going to be, then throwing a fit when it came out.

You will have to get a controller though, because the controls are still atrocious, that just tends to happen with this sort of game on a computer.

I'm not going to sit here and argue keyboard vs controller all night. That's not the point I'm trying to make. The point I'm trying to make is that this is a horribly sub par console port. I don't think it's unrealistic to expect a pc game to be 100% playable straight out of the box. This game isn't. I'm simply trying to warn those thinking about buying this that there are huge concerns if you expect to play with a standard mouse and keyboard. I've never seen such a lazily done console port.

Dead Island worth it? Heard the game has tons of issues.

Just a note to people interested in Dead Island: it looks like the GOTY edition ($5.44) contains all the DLC, which would be cheaper than if you bought the base edition and DLCs separately.

EDIT: It's important to note that a lot of people have had motion-sickness issues with Dead Island, most likely due to the very low FOV, motion blur, and mouse acceleration. I found this config tool [steampowered.com] on the Steam forums that easily lets you modify these settings.

In for Sonic Racing. $21.60 with a $2 credit towards a future purchase = my first GMG purchase. I really liked the last one but my son loved it. Thanks OP!

The makers of Dark Souls never wanted to do a pc port and said it would be horrible because they are console dev's and have no idea how to develop for pc. They got enough of a fan request that they decided to do one and it was much less horrible than they promised. It does work straight out of the box but is better with the fan made patch.

Just scooped up this dark souls deal. Been waiting on something to come up for it. Although its not the best vanilla port just use the texture mod that was made by a player (nearly on release i think) and a xbox controller and its good enough for me! can't wait for a challenging game that keeps me on my toes and makes me actually scared to die. Great deal, lowest price i've seen dark souls for PC

I don't care what anybody says Dead Island is awesome, I beat it 3 times and I like never do that with a game, usually beat once and done 4 life. I loved it and had no trouble with it, that's a steal!

For anyone arguing that a gampad shouldnt be required - think about racing games. Are you REALLY going to play that with a M/KB? REALLY?! And if not a M/KB are you going to buy a racing wheel for $100+? No, intelligent PC gamers buy a controller to enhance their experience with certain games. You get the games for cheaper and get a better experience than you get on consoles nearly every damn time. Its also worth noting that a 360 Controller basically just goes when plugged into a Windows 7 PC and dont even start with any Windows XP bullshit...get with the times or get out.

All that said...Im hoping to pay a little less because of the whole porting problem. lol not to be a hypocrite. I want to get the game and appreciate that I can fix it but the fact that I need to fix it myself also means they dont deserve more than $15. If that modder did it day one in one day...they could have taken an extra month and released the game with proper features and increased stability. Theres no excuse for BS quality even if the PC community asked for it. They have a rep to uphold and that isnt a good way to honor it.

I made a nice post similar to yours over at the Steam forums and my god you would've thought I was talking about people's mothers the way that they lashed out at me. I mentioned the graphics being a bit dated (and yes the fix helps a little, but they still seem very consolely), the sound being terrible (the wind blowing leaves in the trees sounds like white noise as well as many other sounds just having a poor sample rate), the controls being very unresponsive and clunky (why make the run, roll, and jump the same button?), and the leveling up system is one of the most unrewarding ones that I've ever seen (there's times where you only level up in 1% increments). I was completely underwhelmed by a newer title. I like a challenge, but they made this game much too hard in many spots and impossible to figure out without referencing wikipedia a bunch. And this game is completely devoid of any storyline, I mean I beat all the bosses (as far as I can tell). What now? Is the game over or what? I like having a non-linear game, but this lacks any kind of direction making the game feel like it was loosely thrown together.

It's not all bad, for instance the online interaction is pretty neat but I find that there's more negatives than positives. After playing through it a bunch, I really don't understand all the praise that this game got. I mean there's much better ways to waste your time than this game like Skyrim. Hell, the other game on sale here, Dead Island is one thousand times better in every way. I had fun playing that and that's the way a good indie game should be, not a PITA and full of stress.

Dunno if this was covered in another post, but you might want to add

Hard Reset $4 (AC) http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/u...ard-reset/

which is also activates on steam.

Risen is also a decent game, for ~$4 but no steam key for that one.

Cash grab ports
 

I agree, all PC gamers should have a controller of some sort. The 360 one is the best IMO because it's the most compatible with modern Windows games. Hell, I've always had some sort of gamepad or joystick going way back to commodore 64 days. I don't know what you're trying to say about 360 controllers not working right with xp. It's a mircosoft product man. Sure, the driver for it isn't there natively but as soon as you plug it in it's recognized and downloaded from microsoft straight away.

I feel you on the shoddy port thing. There's too many publishers/developers that don't put any time or effort into console ports and the worst part is that they just leave them "as is". A good example of a game that I played lately was Prototype 2 (great game BTW) and not only did it not have any PC optimizations (I can live with that), but was plagued by performance issues causing loss of performance after a while and frequent crashes. Sonic & Sega Racing All-Stars is another game that remains unpatched (has major issues with newer AMD cards) which is why I wont buy the second one on sale here until I can find out if all is well with it (can't expect patches from Sega). I do know the circumstances regarding the Dark Souls port (as mentioned earlier it wasn't even supposed to come to PC), but they still did it and I'm sure they made a bit of $ off of it. Why didn't they use that $ to patch it some? At any event I didn't find this title too enjoyable, so there's not much point in going on about how bad of a port it is (I'm sure I would've disliked the console version just as much). Anyone who is interested in it, just make sure you know what you're getting into.

Remember guys to download the dsfix mod to change the resolution (game looks great a 1080p+), add ssao/ fxaa, unlock fps so it can go above 30+, skip the logos when starting the game, and much more!!


http://blog.metaclassofnil.com/?tag=dsfix

Repped, I checked out the demo for Hard Reset a couple of years ago and it seemed like it would be a blast. I had almost forgot about it, thanks.

Can anyone comment on Dead Island GOTY as a single player game? I've read a few reviews and many mention that the game is much easier in co-op mode. I already have Dark Souls for when I want a challenge, was mainly looking at Dead Island as a quick game when I have some spare time like Borderlands.

I only just started the game, but so far single player has been fairly quick. Playing with a friend might make it easier since there's two people wacking zombies.

The game has multiplayer mode on by default, meaning anyone at your progress in the game can join you instantly and help out (or you can join theirs too), in case you need help, and progress is saved. You can also turn that off and just play by yourself, which I think is still okay, just probably more challenging.

I agree with xdbx, the game is utter crap of a port. If a game gets released to PC, I expect it to be playable with a PC keyboard/mouse. Also the fact that you have to go and download hacks to increase the resolution for this game and make it somewhat barely playable is absurd. Steam should not even accept a garbage game like this. What a disgrace excuse of a port. They should have kept that crap console only. I just took a loss on this one. Save yourself time and aggrevation and stay away from it.

You sir, are an idiot.

I want Dark Souls, but I really don't want to support Namco anymore (ni no kuni fiasco). Pretty good deal though. Maybe when it's $5 I'll have a smaller backlog and will get it.

SO when it says PC does it really mean just PC? cuz i have a MAC and i really want Dead Isand :(

Borderlands 2 Season Pass for $24 with coupon, good deal?

An original Internet user! Who'd have thought?

Thanks for contributing to this thread, sir.

You're probably going to find it rather boring at first by yourself (I know I did). It gets much more interesting once you make it to the city and the zombies come running at you from all directions (that's where you're going to wish that you had a buddy with you and it's also a lot more fun). It's not terribly hard by yourself though. It's nice to play by yourself so you can explore a bit more. I played it all the way through once on my own without dying too much (at least not to the extent of Dark Souls) but make no mistake, this is no casual game. It's a somewhat open world, survival horror game with some RPG elements. It will keep you on your toes.

Anytime :wave:

Was actually $14.99 on Amazon from Dec 23 to Dec 25.

http://slickdeals.net/f/5721100-A...y-purchase

If anyone else uses 3D Vision, Dark Souls is by far the best 3D game I have ever seen (with Helix's patch of course). Visuals do improve as well with the simple DSfix.

It's always fun to hear everyone call Dark Souls the worst port ever, due to frame cap, mouse control, and tutorial confusion. Meanwhile I'm playing DmC3 which is also unplayable without a gamepad but also doesn't support current gamepads. They bound the 'esc' key to be "accept", press escape enough and it will start a new game for you, because they set quit to 'alt'-'f4' which means it doesn't work during cutscenes so the only way to quit sometimes is killing the program manually. It has no option for full screen so its window for you unless you force it with alt enter, and the framerate is dependent on the music. Makes loading up Dark Souls a dream by comparison.

Great post, appreciate it.

So in other words you're a glutton for punishment. Seriously though, everyone has their own expectations and opinions about games. After all, games are a source of entertainment like movies or music (albeit somewhat interactive, some more than others). Everyone is going to have different tastes. Some might be able to overlook shortcomings of an unfinished/unpolished game, but that doesn't seem like something to expect from a highly rated game. Even once I got past the unpleasant shell of this game (which it seems everyone here is getting hung up on), I still did not like the actual gameplay nor progression very much. To each his own.

You just killed and ate a baby in front of everyone.

I don't know if you did it because you believe that or because you're trolling for shock value. But I hope it was worth the eternal damnation of your soul.

You're really going to buy a console just to use the gamepad? Why not save yourself a few hundred bucks and just buy a $20 wired controller and play the exact same games on your PC for a cheaper price at a higher resolution?

Your statement makes absolutely no sense.

Dark Souls is a fantastic RPG if you are into this type of hardcore old school gaming. If you get over a silly tutorial and can man up to download 1 to 2 mods, you know.. since pc gaming is all about modding, this is a fantastic game. Also if you can get over your "feelings" of self-entitlement and you can allow yourself to enjoy "sub-par" ports, you are in for a great treat because the gameplay is actually good! :D

While the mouse/keyboard fix is fine, I would highly recommend using a controller unless you are the type who has no problem playing games like Assassin's Creed with a controller, then you may not need one.

Just wanted to present another view point of Dark Souls.

Link: http://darksouls.nexusmods.com/ Nexus already has many dark souls mods out. :woot:

I hope the troll posts on the first page don't scare people off Dark Souls. It's a brilliant game in every way except that you need a gamepad. Not the worst thing in the world, since if you play a lot of platformers/racing games you probably have one already. If not, just drop the $10 and get one.

Dark Souls is viciously difficult, yes, but only at first. Once you get a feel for its combat and tactics, then it's just a damn good action RPG. Has tons of items, weapons, and magic, and you have ultimate freedom in how to play your character. The starting "classes" are just combinations of gear, and you can turn your "Pyromancer" into a heavy armor wearing, hammer-wielding beefcake. The graphics are actually quite stellar (get DSfix to unlock 1080p, SSAO, and AA), and the multi-player system is one of the more ingenious game elements I've ever seen.

All in all this was a strong buy at $25. At $16 you have almost enough savings to buy that controller you need.

One of the Main Reasons I moved to PC gaming. Tired of paying too much for very old games with no discount on DLC

Finally pulled the trigger on Dead Island GOTY.
Thanks!

The only reason not to buy Dark Souls on PC would be if you're interested in PVP. The graphics fix (DSFix) actually makes it look better and perform better than on the consoles. I have it for both the PC and the PS3 and I play exclusively on the PC with an xbox controller. There are areas in the game that suffer from severe slowdown. Not so on the PC with the fix.

Totally agree.

The biggest things I've seen people complain about Dark Souls is either the shotty PC port (which FromSoft didn't want to do, but the community begged and begged and begged for it, and then whined and whined and whined about. All this complaining will teach a gaming company what happens when they listen to the community.) The game was meant for and designed using a controller. Get over it. Do two minutes of research and you will see the the KB/M controls just don't work as well as the controller, which is maybe why FromSoft made if for CONSOLE ONLY. If you only play your PC with KB/M, then don't get this epic game. KB/M controls just don't do it justice.

The other complaint about "lack of story" or "no direction" or "too hard" are simply complaints about the game, not the port. Dark Souls isn't for everyone. It doesn't tell you what to do, where to go, or how to win. There's no map, there's no mercy, but there are also no "cheap" kills. If you die, you died because of something YOU did. For many people, it's too hard or confusing or whatever, but for those of us that spent the time in game and out of game (epicnamebro's Lore videos), Dark Souls is something that hasn't been done in gaming since NES. The first time you beat a boss that has mopped the floor with you for an hour is just incredible, and it is a feeling that most games today do not provide. Dark Souls is a hell of a challenge, but the depth of the lore, the awesome control, and the brutal difficulty make one of my top 3 games of all time.

tl;dr Prepare to Die.

This. If you're trying to play Dark Souls with KB+M, you're doing it wrong. I've been a PC exclusive gamer for so long. Some games are just better with a controller. Stop being elitists. Dark Souls DOES play just fine out of the box. I beat the game unmodded. It's just very ugly out of the box. I don't care about graphics as much as gameplay. I was too into the game to do the graphics fix (though it's incredibly easy). When I beat it, I did the gfx fix, and beat the game all over again in glorious 1080p. I must say, the fix works wonders and makes it indeed better than the console version. Playing with a 360 controller, it's the exact same game, except better looking. How is that a bad port???? (assuming everyone does the gfx fix).

To those complaining about the game itself, it's actually understandable (clunky, boring, lack of story, etc.). But at least play it how it's meant to be played before hating on it. You can't call it a bad game for having bad KB+M controls, because that's just the nature of the genre.

As for me, I like to compare it to the original Legend of Zelda. Completely open world, brutally difficult, no guidance, glitchy, and full of hidden treasures. That's the way I like like it. Go grab a strategy guide and enjoy (or use the various Dark Souls wikis)

Unless you have to use a mouse and keyboard then the game is fantastic on the PC. I have it on the PC and the PS3. I much prefer it on the PC. You do have to run a simple mod (DSFix), but that's it.

Loved Dark Souls on PS3, and even though I'd love to get it for PC for the new content (seems cheaper to get the PC version with the new content than just buy the new content as DLC...), my backlog won't permit.

On the other hand, it's about time I gave Dead Island a try. I'm sure I can get $5.50 worth of enjoyment out of it. Thanks!

dead island, thanks

Let me give you one example.

I own both consoles, I plated the game when it first came out. But when during Thanksgiving there was a huge discount for the Dark Souls:PTD edition for PC i grabbed it immediately. Simply because it is cheap, and I don't have to pay for almost the same amount of money for the DLC on my PS3. on MotionJoy, simple to setup, and why not?

Does it activate on steam?

Just buy a stick to play games on your PC that's better with a stick, and no problems. I bought a wired XBox 360 and use it to play Super Meat Boy, Skyrim, and a couple others. It's fun to be able to switch back and forth between M/KB and a stick, anyways. And for games that were obviously meant for consoles, then you won't have this problem.

Yes, you are given a steam key at checkout.

Cool i got Dead Island, Can't wait to play it

agreed.

If you game a lot or even a little, the 360 controller (or just buy the USB pc adapter from Microsoft though it's only bundled with new controllers now) is a great way to enjoy emulators and many PC games in a console like experience.

I don't have a PS3 or 360, but I can play several of the Triple A titles released for the consoles on my HTPC using an xbox controller. Plus, Steam supports 360 controllers and it'll only get better with big picture mode.

Says invalid code for me

Ah rep whores and self advertising. My, my.

Seems like code is dead but the games are still on sale.

Erg... for some reason, my CC payment nor PayPal will go through... :(
Anyone else have payment issues?

Code still worked for me w/ Dead Island Upgrade Pack. Activated and downloading on Steam now. Kudos for GMG for selling this pack. If you want the extra DLC Steam forces you to buy the GOTY even if you already own the base game.

Code not working for Dark Souls? D:

I just purchased the GOTY and I only got the base game. I just sent a support email to see if they can send me a key for the upgrade pack.

It doesn't say GOTY for me in my library, but the DLC is there. Check your DLC tab in the game properties.

If you have the Blueprint for "The Ripper" weapon, you got the GOTY.

Lolwat? Anyone who is serious about PC gaming uses a gamepad? That's news to me - a PC game developer.

Well then you may want to go back to the drawing board. Absolutely there are some exceptions to this: FPSs, RTSs, and other "strategy" games out there work better with a mouse and keyboard.

The majority of games, though, work 1,000 times better with a controller. Let's look at some of the more popular games of the last year:

Assassin's Creed III
Batman Arkham City
Sleeping Dogs
Deadlight
Mark of the Ninja
The Walking Dead (an absolute nightmare with the keyboard and stabbing keys isn't fun)
Any racing game
And of course, - Dark Souls!

For anyone to argue that gaming is better with a keyboard and mouse as a RULE is simply talking nonsense.

I have to agree with the other guy; if you're a PC game developer and feel that way, then you better get with the times. More and more people are connecting their PCs to their home theater setups.

Firstly, I found that xdbx's post is really informative. I was about to grab DS because I been wanting to try it for a long time but it seems that I probably should just wait for a cheap console copy because of the porting issues. Furthermore, I hate that a poster like you would be so offensive just because you think your opinions are better.

Secondly, majority of games? RTS, MMORPG, MOBA, and FPS genres are quite a big portion of the entire game genre. While any console controller can always be replaced by a keyboard and mouse, games like Starcraft or League of Legend or various MMORPG CAN'T be played with a console controller. Why? Noticed that they are all multiplayer game genre? Noticed that they all have a pretty big e-sports scene? The controller have too little action per minute to enable any proficiency for anything competitive. The controller is good for single player games where low APM, versatility, and accuracy can be accommodated with exception of FTG. These games are like usually Hack and Slash or the usual RPG. In addition, other creative games such as Magicka would not have been possible with a controller system. While it is subjective to say which type of input system is better, it is a fact that a keyboard can do anything that a controller can. To me, that makes keyboard and mouse much better. Gaming for me is not entirely sitting alone and playing with yourself in these single player games, I enjoy playing with other people. Sure you can argue that your controller is better for many pages because the "majority" of games works better with it and I might agree. You might also think it is just simply feel better to have that motion sensor and analog stick but do realize that such an argument won't go anywhere.

Why are there a lot of games that work well with a controller? Well it is because games are often designed to have console in mind before the PC aspect. Why? DRM and piracy, popularity of console gaming, cost of a PC gaming system, etc. Developers can avoid PC ports but they usually never want to avoid a console port if they can. I don't intend this to lead to a console vs PC gaming discussion but consoles are more casual and popular.

Of course people would feel angry if you just assert your opinion that the keyboard and mouse being useless/inferior as fact. There a variety of creative games that would not be possible without the keyboard and mouse and people respect these designs. It is narrow minded and dogmatic to continually insist that one type of input system is better than the other when they all have pros and cons.

To be honest, he is probably a troll. PC Gaming doesn't include a gamepad. If you need a gamepad why not just go for the console version? While you might find his argument making no sense, if you look at it rationally enough then you can see the sly face of a troll who is here to stir up a console vs pc gaming argument. After realizing that, then it all makes sense.

Yes, if someone disagrees with you, he's a troll. Always. I already said keyboard/mouse have their place. You didn't address my game list, - some huge titles which are nigh unplayable without a controller.

It makes me laugh: if a game sucks with the keyboard/mouse, it's the game's fault, right? Ridiculous argument.

I just get tired of people complaining about game controls. Get a gamepad. End of story.

coupon is dead...move along..

If someone tries to assert that his opinions are facts to incite anger then clearly he is a troll. The nature of your initial statement which you insisted was to gather attention was more than enough support for it. It is becoming meta that every time someone insist that another poster is a troll then that poster refutes using that archetypal statement you used. An simple acid test to see if you are really a troll would be just to see what the reaction people had to your post. If it is filled with explosive and cyclic content then it would imply how flammable your own post was. It is obvious that the nature of your post are aimed to be offensive when you attacked on a constructive post made by xdbx which saved a bunch of people a lot of trouble since they probably already have a console system and probably would be opt to play on that system if there was a necessity to patch and obtain extra hardware. Of course even a troll has a point to made, so getting back at the discussion...

@Your list: I would not say that they are impossible to play with a keyboard and mouse, however, I do not disagree with that the the experience would be better with a console controller because these are console games designed with a console controller in mind. I never asserted any input system is innately better than another as opposed to what is implied by you. You seem to make the argument that since games are often designed with the console controller in mind that it should be a requirement for any PC gamer to buy a console controller. You also implied because of this trend, console controllers provides for a better gaming experience and that game designer should always design with a console controller setting in mind unless the gaming genre specified. These couple points are absurd.

Back to something constructive.
It is the game's fault. If it is a PC port then you should be able to play it with the normalized PC set up. If you expect the customer to also buy a controller then you are doing it wrong. If you are so incompetent as a programmer that you can't even port the controls into a PC control setting then don't make a PC port. You don't deserve our money. If I buy something and the cover did not have a big label saying "BUY A GAMEPAD NOW" and I found that it has a horrible control system then I deserve to complain. If the product sucks and did not live up to its expectation then I have a right to complain. If you are sick of my complains then skip over them, not attack them. As a programmer myself, I am conformed to the hardware. It is not the hardware that conforms to me. If you engineered something that doesn't work well with the expected hardware then that is poor design. A game console controller should not be part of what is defined as a "expected hardware" for a PC gaming system. This is probably the core to your whole argument, which is immensely absurd in sense of designing principles.
As to the other statement, refer to the initial post I made.

I am also sick of meta-ranting. Ranting about other people ranting is surely productive. //Recursion - Stack overflows// My biggest problem is that you made an nonconstructive post attacking a constructive post by saying how nonconstructive everyone was being. He basically told us that we need a gamepad to play this game which the developer never made an effort to do. The rest of your points about design principle I can swallow but the irony is just ridiculous.

Oh come on. My initial statement was off the wall/cuff. It is NOT the game's fault if YOU can't play it with a keyboard/mouse. It's that simple. How is it the game's fault if there are too many keys etc to do something? Should the game have simply not been released? Is that what you're saying? Does every flight sim suck because playing with a keyboard/mouse is hard?

Now, I'm not saying you don't have the right to complain, in the same way that I have the right to tell you to buy a gamepad. Next you'll be telling me that you can play iRacing or GTR with a keyboard and mouse since it does support them, and that every PC game should be playable with a keyboard/mouse.

We live in a console world, even on the PC. It IS absolute fact that you need a gamepad to ENJOY a lot of games properly. Every major reviewer has said that about many games. Dark Souls PC is excellent with a gamepad, and bloody awful with a kb/mouse. It's time to get used to it.

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League of Legends, DoTa, WoW, FPS, RTS. Far exceeds any and all 3rd-person, racing, fighting games.

I think you'll find that console games outsell PC games. It's a console world. WoW memberships drop each month etc etc. Not to say that PC games have no place, but it is in fact a console world out there.

If your only perspective of the world is the US and parts of Europe.

nice price for Dark Souls! Got mine and placed on Steam, thanks for the find

Battlefield 3 is also cheap but it's on DICE/ORIGIN, bunch of junk! OH well!