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J4TUN 02-15-2013 11:12 AM

Seagate Backup Plus 4TB Black Desktop Hard Drive (STCA4000100) $161.49 AC + Free Shipping
 
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$189.99 - 15% off w/ promo code EMCXVWR98 (ends 2/18) = $161.49

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Pro...6822178111

yuugotserved 02-15-2013 11:12 AM

4TB Seagate Backup Plus USB 3.0 Desktop External Hard Drive (STCA4000100) $161 + Free Shipping
 
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Newegg has 4TB Seagate Backup Plus USB 3.0 Desktop External Hard Drive (STCA4000100) for $189.99 - 15% off with promo code EMCXVWR98 = $161.49. Shipping is free. Thanks J4TUN

Amazon also has it for $161.49 with free shipping.

Price Research: Our research indicates that 4TB Seagate Backup Plus USB 3.0 Desktop External Hard Drive (STCA4000100) is $20 lower (11% savings) than the next best available price from a reputable merchant with prices ranging from $181 to $217. - yuugotserved

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illtww 02-15-2013 11:32 AM

Not bad. I posted the Hitachi 4gb a few months back at 169.99

z2895 02-15-2013 12:44 PM

I bought the Hitachi and its great. Nearly silent, speeds are 80-120MB/s over USB 3, it will be a LONG time before its filled up (only use it for backups). Used it to replace a Synology NAS that was running low on space (2TBx2 RAID0)

pilot757 02-15-2013 02:16 PM

Finally a decent deal on a 4TB with a 2 year warranty.

waveofdestiny 02-15-2013 02:21 PM

Not bad, does anyone know what internal drive this is? I'd like to gut four of these for the drives.

Edit: From other threads, looks like it is the ST4000DX000.

darkpope 02-15-2013 02:28 PM

just buy it with a credit card that gives 1 year extra warranty and you're good for 3 years total.

waveofdestiny 02-15-2013 02:29 PM

Be sure to report to Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Bac...TCA4000100

to try to get them to lower the price on this drive as well.

sunnybebo 02-15-2013 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waveofdestiny (Post 57607764)
Be sure to report to Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Bac...TCA4000100

to try to get them to lower the price on this drive as well.

Wow, that was fast. Amazon is now the same price.

Decided to get the Newegg one since I could get free shipping and 2-day ship from Shoprunner.

waveofdestiny 02-15-2013 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunnybebo (Post 57610180)
Wow, that was fast. Amazon is now the same price.

Decided to get the Newegg one since I could get free shipping and 2-day ship from Shoprunner.

Thanks for posting, was out getting pizza. Love Newegg but had some Amazon credits I need to use. Thanks brother!

antlp89 02-15-2013 05:01 PM

I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.

zhopa 02-15-2013 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antlp89 (Post 57610990)
I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.

Porn.

bsdc 02-15-2013 05:04 PM

This is a good deal for those without Costco membership: http://slickdeals.net/f/5821556-Costco-Jan-31-Feb-24-2013-Seagate-4tb-Backup-Plus-159-99


If you have Costco, I'd buy through them, as I did, as their return policy is > *


I returned a clicking, slow reading four year old hard drive a few months ago with no questions asked, full money back.


Thumbs up.

thinkert 02-15-2013 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antlp89 (Post 57610990)
I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.

Family of 4+ x (music + movies + 1080p home videos + backups + etc...). It can add up quickly.

faizamaze 02-15-2013 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkert (Post 57611098)
Family of 4+ x (music + movies + 1080p home videos + backups + etc...). It can add up quickly.

Cheaper here http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/pro...sktop.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by faizamaze (Post 57611200)

My bad thats a 3tb

teaberry 02-15-2013 05:13 PM

I have a 24MP camera that I shoot in raw+jpg and I also shoot 28Mbps 1080@60p HD videos. I also have a 16MP point-n-shoot and a GoPro HD Hero3 that can shoot up to 4K resolution videos and lots of 5MP time-lapse pics. Incoclusion, I filled up my 2TB drive so I now have a 4TB to backup that 2TB and considering another 4TB to also back that up :P
Quote:

Originally Posted by antlp89 (Post 57610990)
I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.


stevez32 02-15-2013 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antlp89 (Post 57610990)
I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.

Who aims to be average?

danpi 02-15-2013 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J4TUN (Post 57602640)
$189.99 - 15% off w/ promo code EMCXVWR98 (ends 2/18) = $161.49

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Pro...6822178111

Costco has it for a buck less ($160).

radioactive21 02-15-2013 05:17 PM

Amazon has price matched!

koven 02-15-2013 05:18 PM

the 3tb is only $119 at amazon, not bad

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Bac...B00829THQE

radioactive21 02-15-2013 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koven (Post 57611354)
the 3tb is only $119 at amazon, not bad

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Bac...B00829THQE


LOL there is a $1 difference between 2TB and 3TB.

Thunderpants 02-15-2013 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antlp89 (Post 57610990)
I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.

Blu-ray rips uncompressed. You could be talking 40GB files or bigger.

aznshrek88 02-15-2013 05:37 PM

Can I buy this and wipe it to use as an internal drive?

Thunderpants 02-15-2013 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznshrek88 (Post 57611716)
Can I buy this and wipe it to use as an internal drive?

Yes. I was able to do that with the 3TB version of this. As an external the 3TB tends to get hot. Put it in my Coolermaster HAF and the temps dropped a lot. In short the external casing sucks.

waveofdestiny 02-15-2013 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antlp89 (Post 57610990)
I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.

I have all of my movies backed up to my media center now. I'm steadily converting to 1080p (right now most of mine are still DVD rips) and I use over 4TB. After I'm done converting everything I'll be at about 12TB.

SkyyPunk 02-15-2013 05:55 PM

just popped in a fresh 3tb, otherwise I would have grabbed this. Thanks!

Elpee 02-15-2013 06:01 PM

What is the drive inside (5400 or 7200rpm)? Can I use it as an internal drive for my home desktop?

bjsguess 02-15-2013 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antlp89 (Post 57610990)
I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.

I have 12TB's.

Ripped BR's take anywhere from 25-50GB's each. When you convert 400-500 movies it fills up real fast. The kids have a virtual Blockbuster now. Any halfway decent PG-13 movie or below is available with just a few clicks of a remote.

Hawk2007 02-15-2013 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teaberry (Post 57611244)
I have a 24MP camera that I shoot in raw+jpg and I also shoot 28Mbps 1080@60p HD videos. I also have a 16MP point-n-shoot and a GoPro HD Hero3 that can shoot up to 4K resolution videos and lots of 5MP time-lapse pics. Incoclusion, I filled up my 2TB drive so I now have a 4TB to backup that 2TB and considering another 4TB to also back that up :P


I could see you needing multiple 4tb drives for that.

Thought, doesn't the 4k go pro only do like 15 fps? I thought I read that in an article about shooting 4k on the cheap

PeteyTheStriker 02-15-2013 06:26 PM

Anyone else think that all these drives should have a minimum of a 3 year warranty. Spending a lot of money and having a drive like this go bad after 2 years kind of sucks to think about.

qbking77 02-15-2013 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antlp89 (Post 57610990)
I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.

I backup all my YouTube vids

teaberry 02-15-2013 06:33 PM

Yeah it only does 4K in 15fps. I know that seems pretty low fps these days. I mostly shoot the time-lapse stuff every .5 or 1 sec 5MP pics. When I go on trips, I am usually dumping about 80-100GB of media.

I do admit I have ripped music and blu-ray HD movies on it too.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk2007 (Post 57612490)
I could see you needing multiple 4tb drives for that.

Thought, doesn't the 4k go pro only do like 15 fps? I thought I read that in an article about shooting 4k on the cheap


Hawk2007 02-15-2013 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antlp89 (Post 57610990)
I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.


Collecting private information on Americans takes up a lot of data nowadays.

zhopa 02-15-2013 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teaberry (Post 57611244)
I have a 24MP camera that I shoot in raw+jpg and I also shoot 28Mbps 1080@60p HD videos. I also have a 16MP point-n-shoot and a GoPro HD Hero3 that can shoot up to 4K resolution videos and lots of 5MP time-lapse pics. Incoclusion, I filled up my 2TB drive so I now have a 4TB to backup that 2TB and considering another 4TB to also back that up :P

What is it that you shoot that requires such resolution?

NewtonFine 02-15-2013 06:44 PM

quoting...

Price Research: Our research indicates that 4TB Seagate Backup Plus USB 3.0 Desktop External Hard Drive (STCA4000100) is $20 lower (11% savings) than the next best available price from a reputable merchant with prices ranging from $181 to $217. - yuugotserved

How so, when Costco has this same model for $159.99?
Quote:

Originally Posted by bsdc (Post 57611070)
This is a good deal for those without Costco membership: http://slickdeals.net/f/5821556-Costco-Jan-31-Feb-24-2013-Seagate-4tb-Backup-Plus-159-99


If you have Costco, I'd buy through them, as I did, as their return policy is > *


I returned a clicking, slow reading four year old hard drive a few months ago with no questions asked, full money back.


Thumbs up.

I'd rather save an extra $25 by PMing Costco.com to Staples.com. :cool:

bc_boston 02-15-2013 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewtonFine (Post 57612822)
quoting...

Price Research: Our research indicates that 4TB Seagate Backup Plus USB 3.0 Desktop External Hard Drive (STCA4000100) is $20 lower (11% savings) than the next best available price from a reputable merchant with prices ranging from $181 to $217. - yuugotserved

How so, when Costco has this same model for $159.99?

I'd rather save an extra $25 by PMing Costco.com to Staples.com. :cool:

Thanks - you beat me to posting that. I picked up 5 at Costco a couple weeks ago for $159.99 each and I believe there is at least another week of the sale price at Costco.

GTiceman 02-15-2013 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antlp89 (Post 57610990)
I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.

I have 18TB and need to expand again. I keep all my photos, documents, and music on my server. I also don't believe in optical media and use an array for my BD movie collection at full uncompressed ISO. I think I am around 600 movies at this point. It is so much easier being able to click a button and have them load instantly than searching through folders of disks or having a large unsightly shelf of discs.

MingoDynasty 02-15-2013 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waveofdestiny (Post 57607554)
Not bad, does anyone know what internal drive this is? I'd like to gut four of these for the drives.

Edit: From other threads, looks like it is the ST4000DX000.

I'm in the same boat as you in that I need some internal drive storage, but for my NAS.

But if we gut external drives, wouldn't that void the warranty?

nitemare 02-15-2013 07:02 PM

Bad deal. 4tb are still way overpriced and a poor buy. 3tb is the sweet spot for $90. Spending almost double for 1 extra TB is wasting money.

SolnzeUSB 02-15-2013 07:03 PM

$160 at costco (+tax though)

KMan 02-15-2013 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waveofdestiny (Post 57611908)
I have all of my movies backed up to my media center now. I'm steadily converting to 1080p (right now most of mine are still DVD rips) and I use over 4TB. After I'm done converting everything I'll be at about 12TB.

Like most here ripped DVDs + TV recordings are what I use my large HDs for. I'm curious, though, do you view your movies on a TV that's not your computer monitor, and if so what device do you use for this? E.g. WD Live, XBox, Ceton Echo, etc. Also, what format do you save your movies to, and does it support DVD menus?

I've got a bunch of DVDs ripped to VOBs that I currently watch on my 24" PC monitor using Windows Media Center, and it's like watching the original DVD, with menus, special features, audio settings, etc. But for the life of me I can't figure out how to watch these movies on a separate TV using one of these devices, networked to my HTPC, such that I can watch them as I do on my HTPC, with menus, etc.

Any recommendations? I know that you can play individual VOB files on the WD Live, but w/o menus, making it a pain to jump ahead, skip chapters, etc.

NewtonFine 02-15-2013 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bc_boston (Post 57613018)
Thanks - you beat me to posting that. I picked up 5 at Costco a couple weeks ago for $159.99 each and I believe there is at least another week of the sale price at Costco.

Yeah, I guess Costco is not considered a "reputable merchant". :rolleyes: It looks like the price on these are trending downward. I wouldn't be surprised if these end up being sold for something like $99-$129 for BF2013. :bounce:
Quote:

Originally Posted by GTiceman (Post 57613042)
I have 18TB and need to expand again. I keep all my photos, documents, and music on my server. I also don't believe in optical media and use an array for my BD movie collection at full uncompressed ISO. I think I am around 600 movies at this point. It is so much easier being able to click a button and have them load instantly than searching through folders of disks or having a large unsightly shelf of discs.

Nice! We should get a few peeps together from these HDD threads and have a warez meet? That'll fill 'em 4sure. :D

KMan 02-15-2013 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitemare (Post 57613114)
Bad deal. 4tb are still way overpriced and a poor buy. 3tb is the sweet spot for $90. Spending almost double for 1 extra TB is wasting money.

I've never seen a 3TB for this little. Any links?

In any case, some people might need the extra TB to keep all their files on one drive. Myself, I have one very large collection of TV recordings I've made over the years that has now exceeded 3TB, and can definitely use one of these drives. I'm going to wait till they get down to the $120 level though, probably later this year.

g725s 02-15-2013 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antlp89 (Post 57610990)
I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.

Your DVD and Bluray collection ripped to your drive, and recorded TV.

WeLikeIke 02-15-2013 07:20 PM

thanx for sharing!

NewtonFine 02-15-2013 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitemare (Post 57613114)
Bad deal. 4tb are still way overpriced and a poor buy. 3tb is the sweet spot for $90. Spending almost double for 1 extra TB is wasting money.

$159.99 - $25 off $100 coupon (@Staples) = $134.99 (plus tax). I'll pay the extra $15 (over the $30/TB avg) to have a contiguous 4TB slab inside my media center. Could sell the Ext HDD case for that much eventually (after the warranty expires).

KMan 02-15-2013 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk2007 (Post 57612728)
Collecting private information on Americans takes up a lot of data nowadays.

Shh, the NSA probably monitors this site and now knows that we're onto their little secret.

I can't even begin to imagine the amount of storage they use, especially since they probably have massive redundancy to avoid loss, how much space it requires, and how much power it uses, to power the drives and servers, as well as the cooling system, probably the world's biggest (bigger even than Google, I'm sure, since it probably contains all of Google's data as a subset). The budget for this, undisclosed of course, must be staggering, even at today's low drive prices.

Hawk2007 02-15-2013 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMan (Post 57613404)
Shh, the NSA probably monitors this site and now knows that we're onto their little secret.

I can't even begin to imagine the amount of storage they use, especially since they probably have massive redundancy to avoid loss, how much space it requires, and how much power it uses, to power the drives and servers, as well as the cooling system, probably the world's biggest (bigger even than Google, I'm sure, since it probably contains all of Google's data as a subset). The budget for this, undisclosed of course, must be staggering, even at today's low drive prices.


I agree.

From a pure had drive standpoint, I'd love to see their arrays. I can't imagine how many tens of thousands of drives they have running.

g725s 02-15-2013 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitemare (Post 57613114)
Bad deal. 4tb are still way overpriced and a poor buy. 3tb is the sweet spot for $90. Spending almost double for 1 extra TB is wasting money.

Agreed. But where is the $90 deal on a good quality 3tb drive? Hard drive manufactures seem to be in agreement to fix the current prices on 3tb drives well above $90. You have to go back to Black Friday to see that $90 price, and that was only one day. Around $119 seems to be the current standard for 3tb drives.

atlantiswasreal 02-15-2013 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitemare (Post 57613114)
Bad deal. 4tb are still way overpriced and a poor buy. 3tb is the sweet spot for $90. Spending almost double for 1 extra TB is wasting money.

link please

snowcrash 02-15-2013 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitemare (Post 57613114)
Bad deal. 4tb are still way overpriced and a poor buy. 3tb is the sweet spot for $90. Spending almost double for 1 extra TB is wasting money.

Your 3TB for $90 is still a bad deal. 2TB HD were going for $50. It is the sweet spot to go for. Spending double for 1TB gain is a waste of money.

It is unfortunate and obvious that money is a very dominating part of your life. However, there are also many of us here that can see the benefits of 4TB drives that we are willing to pay more for it and have the means to do so. But of course, you are entitled to your opinion.

CBdelta 02-15-2013 07:35 PM

The Answer, XMBC
 
Almost any PC with HDMI and XBMC...

CBdelta 02-15-2013 07:37 PM

KMan Answer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KMan (Post 57613266)
Like most here ripped DVDs + TV recordings are what I use my large HDs for. I'm curious, though, do you view your movies on a TV that's not your computer monitor, and if so what device do you use for this? E.g. WD Live, XBox, Ceton Echo, etc. Also, what format do you save your movies to, and does it support DVD menus?

I've got a bunch of DVDs ripped to VOBs that I currently watch on my 24" PC monitor using Windows Media Center, and it's like watching the original DVD, with menus, special features, audio settings, etc. But for the life of me I can't figure out how to watch these movies on a separate TV using one of these devices, networked to my HTPC, such that I can watch them as I do on my HTPC, with menus, etc.

Any recommendations? I know that you can play individual VOB files on the WD Live, but w/o menus, making it a pain to jump ahead, skip chapters, etc.

- Almost any PC with HDMI and XBMC (free software package) can play VOB or ISO dvd rips. The new version 12 Eden works great for TV shows as well

dzALLday 02-15-2013 07:57 PM

for anyone asking for the 90 dollar 3tb links,

http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/84000

YES I KNOW it's internal and not external AND YES i know it won't be as fast as usb 3.0 speed if you were to buy a external enclosure for about 10 dollars totaling $100 dollars but YOU ALL ASKED FOR A 90 DOLLAR PRICE LINK WELL HERE IT IS!

dzALLday 02-15-2013 07:59 PM

crap double post

lostboytexas 02-15-2013 08:01 PM

Anyone know if this is compatible with WDTV?

cyberkost 02-15-2013 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzALLday (Post 57613980)
for anyone asking for the 90 dollar 3tb links,

http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/84000

YES I KNOW it's internal and not external AND YES i know it won't be as fast as usb 3.0 speed if you were to buy a external enclosure for about 10 dollars totaling $100 dollars but YOU ALL ASKED FOR A 90 DOLLAR PRICE LINK WELL HERE IT IS!

It requires a time machine to get this deal. And a time machines are VERY expensive (even to rent, let alone to own). Sorry, your deal does not qualify as 3TB HDD for $90.

blueiedgod 02-15-2013 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antlp89 (Post 57610990)
I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.

Recorded TV. An hour of HDTV takes up about 10 Gb...

PassiveX 02-15-2013 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewtonFine (Post 57613396)
$159.99 - $25 off $100 coupon (@Staples) = $134.99 (plus tax). I'll pay the extra $15 (over the $30/TB avg) to have a contiguous 4TB slab inside my media center. Could sell the Ext HDD case for that much eventually (after the warranty expires).

How? $189.99 at staples now. PM then apply coupon?

dzALLday 02-15-2013 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberkost (Post 57614076)
It requires a time machine to get this deal. And a time machines are VERY expensive (even to rent, let alone to own). Sorry, your deal does not qualify as 3TB HDD for $90.

it's called if you wait long enough, this deal will come again.

waveofdestiny 02-15-2013 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzALLday (Post 57614176)
it's called if you wait long enough, this deal will come again.

And if you wait long enough, you'll be able to get a core i7 ivy bridge for $20. Your point?

dougmc 02-15-2013 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzALLday (Post 57614176)
it's called if you wait long enough, this deal will come again.

Yes, that was a Black Friday deal. So we only have to wait nine more months!

jarrettbraun 02-15-2013 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antlp89 (Post 57610990)
I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.

HD movies/shows and music. More so the former.

tim1dogg 02-15-2013 08:40 PM

Worst thing about this is when the 4GB drive dies with all your data on it.......now what? :(
I learned my lesson when I bought a 1GB and just finished backing up my data and deleting it from my laptop to free up space.

Drive died and data could not be recovered. Next time I may have to buy two to have a backup of a backup lol.

zhopa 02-15-2013 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waveofdestiny (Post 57614336)
And if you wait long enough, you'll be able to get a core i7 ivy bridge for $20.

I doubt it.

old_english_d 02-15-2013 08:50 PM

my seagate 3tb backup plus from last august has been causing me issues lately. very slow in response and i have to disconnect/reconnect multiple times in order to regain functionality. i'd think twice before pulling the trigger solely based on size or price.

waveofdestiny 02-15-2013 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhopa (Post 57614666)
I doubt it.

It was an exaggeration. Point is, tech is always going down. If.. IF.. you're willing to wait.

MingoDynasty 02-15-2013 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim1dogg (Post 57614630)
Worst thing about this is when the 4GB drive dies with all your data on it.......now what? :(
I learned my lesson when I bought a 1GB and just finished backing up my data and deleting it from my laptop to free up space.

Drive died and data could not be recovered. Next time I may have to buy two to have a backup of a backup lol.

4GB and 1GB drives? Wtf is this, 1998?

faizoff 02-15-2013 08:51 PM

Are these 4 TB drives tried and tested yet? This seems like a good deal for sure, just unsure about the reliability of 4 TB drives.

MingoDynasty 02-15-2013 08:52 PM

Hey waveofdestiny, so does gutting out the drive from an external (such as this deal) void the warranty? My question on the previous page wasn't answered.

omghahalol 02-15-2013 09:03 PM

What's the drive inside? Or does WD only make one 4TB drive?

echz 02-15-2013 09:05 PM

I'm just not so sure that I'd trust putting 4TB worth of "eggs" in one basket. Especially a basket that's made by Seagate... Seems like too much data to trust on one drive with no redundancy to me! But, for the cost (and those of you with enough balls to trust Seagate with that much info!) it seems like a good deal.

krazyshopper 02-15-2013 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radioactive21 (Post 57611332)
Amazon has price matched!

Amazon must be driving companies crazy with their whatever software that gives them the ability to instantly price match any hood deals...

crazp878 02-15-2013 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MingoDynasty (Post 57614788)
Hey waveofdestiny, so does gutting out the drive from an external (such as this deal) void the warranty? My question on the previous page wasn't answered.

Yes ,,

Elpee 02-15-2013 09:08 PM

Can remove the enclosure and put the 4TB drive to my desktop?

krazyshopper 02-15-2013 09:11 PM

I always get these things and back up my computer on them and then they break and then my computer breaks and i lose everything

goofydad 02-15-2013 09:11 PM

Will this work on 2.0?

Sent from Slickdeals App for iPhone & iPod Touch.

pilot757 02-15-2013 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzALLday (Post 57613980)
for anyone asking for the 90 dollar 3tb links,

http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/84000

YES I KNOW it's internal and not external AND YES i know it won't be as fast as usb 3.0 speed if you were to buy a external enclosure for about 10 dollars totaling $100 dollars but YOU ALL ASKED FOR A 90 DOLLAR PRICE LINK WELL HERE IT IS!

What a newb.

g725s 02-15-2013 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewtonFine (Post 57613396)
$159.99 - $25 off $100 coupon (@Staples) = $134.99 (plus tax). I'll pay the extra $15 (over the $30/TB avg) to have a contiguous 4TB slab inside my media center. Could sell the Ext HDD case for that much eventually (after the warranty expires).

Quote:

Originally Posted by PassiveX (Post 57614158)
How? $189.99 at staples now. PM then apply coupon?

Yeah I'd buy a couple of these from Stapes if I could get them there for $135. How are you doing this?

KnitKnots 02-15-2013 09:20 PM

This is a noob question, but lately I've been curious on how long it would take for external SSD to reach 4TB and be around this price. Would anyone have an approx. timeline or will SSD always be more pricey?

diamondjoker5 02-15-2013 09:25 PM

got the same drive in 3tb flavor for $99 black friday week.

Hawk2007 02-15-2013 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krazyshopper (Post 57614972)
Amazon must be driving companies crazy with their whatever software that gives them the ability to instantly price match any hood deals...

It wouldn't be unreasonable for amazon to have somebody in their pricing department on call or monitoring these types of things.

It wouldn't be too hard to have a feed of active PMes and if a certain threshold is hit, then to effectively stream it to a pricing manager for review and seeing Amazon's cost and whether they'd still make a profit or if they just want the sale.

pilot757 02-15-2013 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim1dogg (Post 57614630)
Worst thing about this is when the 4GB drive dies with all your data on it.......now what? :(
I learned my lesson when I bought a 1GB and just finished backing up my data and deleting it from my laptop to free up space.

Drive died and data could not be recovered. Next time I may have to buy two to have a backup of a backup lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by echz (Post 57614954)
I'm just not so sure that I'd trust putting 4TB worth of "eggs" in one basket. Especially a basket that's made by Seagate... Seems like too much data to trust on one drive with no redundancy to me! But, for the cost (and those of you with enough balls to trust Seagate with that much info!) it seems like a good deal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by krazyshopper (Post 57615054)
I always get these things and back up my computer on them and then they break and then my computer breaks and i lose everything

Are people really thinking about only buying one of these? If you don't use these in a RAID you deserve to lose all your data when the drive fails. It might happen a week after you buy it. It might happen 5 years after you buy it, but make no mistake, it will fail. Every hard drive fails eventually. There is no way to avoid it so you sure as sh*t better be ready for it. Seagate has been a good company to me. I had a Seagate fail almost a year out of warranty and they still replaced it for me for free. The packaging (external case) the drive comes in should be removed before you use the drive anyway. It gets really hot in there and heat is bad for your drive.

samisacat 02-15-2013 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MingoDynasty (Post 57614788)
Hey waveofdestiny, so does gutting out the drive from an external (such as this deal) void the warranty? My question on the previous page wasn't answered.

Not wave but it probably will void. I know western digital drives u can do warranty for even if u rip them from the case. No clue on seagate but I would assume it voids till proven otherwise

pilot757 02-15-2013 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnitKnots (Post 57615208)
This is a noob question, but lately I've been curious on how long it would take for external SSD to reach 4TB and be around this price. Would anyone have an approx. timeline or will SSD always be more pricey?

SSD will always be more expensive then mechanical hard drives. A 1TB SSD is going to cost you $2,499 and that's only 1/4 of the space you are looking for.

gshock05 02-15-2013 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhopa (Post 57611036)
Porn.

GoPro videos @1080p, 60fps and Protune on

waveofdestiny 02-15-2013 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goofydad (Post 57615056)
Will this work on 2.0?

Sent from Slickdeals App for iPhone & iPod Touch.

Yes, this will work with USB 2.0.

zhopa 02-15-2013 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gshock05 (Post 57615600)
GoPro videos @1080p, 60fps and Protune on

Didn't know that porn industry with switching to GoPro... :woot:

Quote:

Originally Posted by waveofdestiny (Post 57614758)
It was an exaggeration. Point is, tech is always going down. If.. IF.. you're willing to wait.

I know. I was teasing. :)

drunkhumping 02-15-2013 09:57 PM

I have 13TB of DOS Games that I need to have backed up at all times.

Yes, I legally own all of them.

I was going to make up some elitist excuse not involving porn, but everybody has pretty much beat me to it.

eversavage 02-15-2013 10:08 PM

I went with go with costco.. i bought four.. and one already died out... but i was able to make the exchange on the fly........ i'd be wary of these drive...

there are hoarders and i'm a digital hoarder...
i don't seem to delete anything.. seems easier to copy the entire "user" folder on windows versus sorting out all the files out each time i work on someone's computer/ laptop (fyi~ i do compress the data and password protect the data)

l'm surprise at how many people come back in a few yrs asking for the backup data due to theft of their devices or just human error.

KMan 02-15-2013 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBdelta (Post 57613668)
- Almost any PC with HDMI and XBMC (free software package) can play VOB or ISO dvd rips. The new version 12 Eden works great for TV shows as well

Thanks, but I meant a set top box sort of device, not a full PC. I already use my laptop as a makeshift network HTPC, but was looking for something small, cheap (~$100), dedicated, versatile and easy to use.

I had been hoping to get an Echo, but it's had lots of problems and doesn't play DVDs out of the box. Plus it can't yet stream internet video, and is a bit pricey. The WD Live seems like the ticket, but I don't know if it plays VOBs like regular DVDs, with menus and such.

Ideally, I'd like a device that does all of the following (and would be willing to pay more for one):
  • Play VOBs like regular DVDs
  • Watch, record and playback TV (using Ceton InfiniTV on the host HTPC)
  • Play other video formats
  • Stream internet content (e.g. Netflix, Hulu)

An HTPC will do all of this, but won't be able to play back protected content recorded on the host HTPC. The Echo can, but won't play DVDs. A media player can't watch, record or play TV. There doesn't seem to be one universal device that allows you to do all the things you'd want to do on such a device.

SweetestDeals 02-15-2013 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danpi (Post 57611292)
Costco has it for a buck less ($160).

Quote:

Originally Posted by SolnzeUSB (Post 57613140)
$160 at costco (+tax though)

Doesn't seem like anyone else has noticed (or at least mentioned) that Costco charges $10 S&H, making it more expensive than the others.

jason4207 02-15-2013 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilot757 (Post 57615334)
Are people really thinking about only buying one of these? If you don't use these in a RAID you deserve to lose all your data when the drive fails. It might happen a week after you buy it. It might happen 5 years after you buy it, but make no mistake, it will fail. Every hard drive fails eventually. There is no way to avoid it so you sure as sh*t better be ready for it. Seagate has been a good company to me. I had a Seagate fail almost a year out of warranty and they still replaced it for me for free. The packaging (external case) the drive comes in should be removed before you use the drive anyway. It gets really hot in there and heat is bad for your drive.

Traditional RAID is a time bomb just waiting to happen especially with these large capacity drives. Traditional RAID is for enterprise where you have multiple redundant copies in different locations and teams of folks monitoring things and getting paid for it. For the average user having data stripped in RAID 5 or even RAID6 where 1 or 2+ HDD failures will wipe out everything is no good IMO. With drives this large the time it takes for a rebuild it is so long that an error during the process that takes out your whole array is more and more likely. unRAID, FlexRAID, or similar is where you need to be for long term data storage in the consumer sphere. With these solutions, that are designed for large consumer data arrays, you can lose as many drives as you want and the entire array will not be lost. Only the drives that fail are lost in the worst case and since the data isn't stripped you can at least attempt to get data off drives that drop from the array.

20TB in my unRAID array. Started in '08 w/ (4) 640GB HDDs, and have been solid ever since w/ incremental upgrades as I find good deals. Much easier to add capacity using these non-stripped RAID-like arrays than it is in a traditional RAID5/6 environment.

For those that wonder why I need this much storage...I'm trying to backup the entire Internet. :lmao:

NewtonFine 02-15-2013 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PassiveX (Post 57614158)
How? $189.99 at staples now. PM then apply coupon?

Yes, exactly. Best method would be to login to your favorite cashback website, portal over to staples.com, add HDD to cart, click livechat, ask CSR for a PM to costco.com, then have him/her apply your $25 off coupon.

I got the Seagate 3TB for $64.99 plus tax (free S&H, so ~$70 total) by PMing to Amazon on this deal HERE a couple of days b4 BF2012 after doing the above via phone order. (I forgot about cashback...) Now with this deal, I think I might bump the internal capacity of my media center to 4TB (if it can handle it).

fsrkewd 02-15-2013 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewtonFine (Post 57616376)
Yes, exactly. Best method would be to login to your favorite cashback website, portal over to staples.com, add HDD to cart, click livechat, ask CSR for a PM to costco.com, then have him/her apply your $25 off coupon.

I got the Seagate 3TB for $64.99 plus tax (free S&H, so ~$70 total) by PMing to Amazon on this deal HERE a couple of days b4 BF2012 after doing the above via phone order. (I forgot about cashback...) Now with this deal, I think I might bump the internal capacity of my media center to 4TB (if it can handle it).

Where do you get one of those 25 off 100 coupon from staples after they shutdown those coupon site?

mikelou26 02-15-2013 10:45 PM

is this a good deal? have not been in the hd price shopping for a while

bc_boston 02-15-2013 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SweetestDeals (Post 57616194)
Doesn't seem like anyone else has noticed (or at least mentioned) that Costco charges $10 S&H, making it more expensive than the others.

I live right next to one in NH so it's shipping and tax free :)

thenorthernline 02-15-2013 10:53 PM

Good price. Got two...thx

dealboy12 02-15-2013 10:55 PM

How fast is USB 3.0 compared to connecting it directly with a SATA cable?

Hawk2007 02-15-2013 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dealboy12 (Post 57616608)
How fast is USB 3.0 compared to connecting it directly with a SATA cable?


sata iii is 6 gbit/s and usb 3 is 5 gbit/s

should be equal performance though.

snitzle_iii 02-15-2013 11:24 PM

i own the 3 terra of this. havnt had any issues so far (been 3-4 months i think)
one issue is the temps. kinda hot imo. i dont know how this temp compares to other externals
42C vs 31 (internal)
ambient in room 19c
computer ambient-33
ive included crystal speed test to give you an idea
F-seagate 3 tera
E-raid 0 seagate 1tera
C-wd black


http://i50.tinypic.com/29e3jwl.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/29e3jwl.jpg

waveofdestiny 02-15-2013 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelou26 (Post 57616510)
is this a good deal? have not been in the hd price shopping for a while

For a 4TB, yes. For the record the cheapest I've ever gotten a 4TB for was a Western Digital 4TB drive from Beach Camera for $159 shipped but that was with a v.me (Visa) Promo code. This is the cheapest I've been able to find them without any hassle so got four for my new HD media center (well they are for the NAS but whatev lol).

There is a good chance these will drop later this year to around $150 when the 5TB externals come out but if you want/need the storage *now* this is a good deal.

Lord2Fight 02-15-2013 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzALLday (Post 57613980)
for anyone asking for the 90 dollar 3tb links,

http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/84000

YES I KNOW it's internal and not external AND YES i know it won't be as fast as usb 3.0 speed if you were to buy a external enclosure for about 10 dollars totaling $100 dollars but YOU ALL ASKED FOR A 90 DOLLAR PRICE LINK WELL HERE IT IS!

What a useless post, this is from NOVEMBER

mikelou26 02-15-2013 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waveofdestiny (Post 57616992)
For a 4TB, yes. For the record the cheapest I've ever gotten a 4TB for was a Western Digital 4TB drive from Beach Camera for $159 shipped but that was with a v.me (Visa) Promo code. This is the cheapest I've been able to find them without any hassle so got four for my new HD media center (well they are for the NAS but whatev lol).

There is a good chance these will drop later this year to around $150 when the 5TB externals come out but if you want/need the storage *now* this is a good deal.

thanks
hows quality/ reliability of segates these days vs. western digital?

waveofdestiny 02-15-2013 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelou26 (Post 57617188)
thanks
hows quality/ reliability of segates these days vs. western digital?

I honestly believe it depends on the batch of drives (and rarely a particular drive like the deathstars of old). They seem to have very similar failure rates these days. From my own personal experiences I'd rather go with WD based on my past experiences with them, but now days I really don't think it matters much.

What does is the warranty - a bit disappointed that both WD and Seagate are gutting the warranties to 2 years from 3-5 years.

diablofreak 02-15-2013 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhopa (Post 57611036)
Porn.

not your average porn though:lol:

NewtonFine 02-15-2013 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by echz (Post 57614954)
I'm just not so sure that I'd trust putting 4TB worth of "eggs" in one basket. Especially a basket that's made by Seagate... Seems like too much data to trust on one drive with no redundancy to me! But, for the cost (and those of you with enough balls to trust Seagate with that much info!) it seems like a good deal.

I trust Seagate about as much as I trust any other major HDD manufacturer; not much at all NOT to have your data backed up at least twice. All computer components, especially those with moving parts can and WILL fail on you eventually. While every other part of your computer may outlive its usefulness (before/after its MTBF), your storage device never truly will if you are still USING it when it comes time for it to DIE. :lol: (The only brand I will not touch, on principal, is IBM/Hitachi..ever since the "Deathstar" fiasco. Shame on a company for knowingly putting out a defective HDD. Since then, it seems like they've committed the same unforgivable act/crime over and over again....) :mad:
Quote:

Originally Posted by krazyshopper (Post 57615054)
I always get these things and back up my computer on them and then they break and then my computer breaks and i lose everything

Read above comment and figure what your doing wrong. (HINT: How many backups do you have of your data?)
Quote:

Originally Posted by g725s (Post 57615186)
Yeah I'd buy a couple of these from Stapes if I could get them there for $135. How are you doing this?

See my answer in post #94
Quote:

Originally Posted by pilot757 (Post 57615334)
Are people really thinking about only buying one of these? If you don't use these in a RAID you deserve to lose all your data when the drive fails. It might happen a week after you buy it. It might happen 5 years after you buy it, but make no mistake, it will fail. Every hard drive fails eventually. There is no way to avoid it so you sure as sh*t better be ready for it. Seagate has been a good company to me. I had a Seagate fail almost a year out of warranty and they still replaced it for me for free. The packaging (external case) the drive comes in should be removed before you use the drive anyway. It gets really hot in there and heat is bad for your drive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason4207 (Post 57616286)
Traditional RAID is a time bomb just waiting to happen especially with these large capacity drives. Traditional RAID is for enterprise where you have multiple redundant copies in different locations and teams of folks monitoring things and getting paid for it. For the average user having data stripped in RAID 5 or even RAID6 where 1 or 2+ HDD failures will wipe out everything is no good IMO. With drives this large the time it takes for a rebuild it is so long that an error during the process that takes out your whole array is more and more likely. unRAID, FlexRAID, or similar is where you need to be for long term data storage in the consumer sphere. With these solutions, that are designed for large consumer data arrays, you can lose as many drives as you want and the entire array will not be lost. Only the drives that fail are lost in the worst case and since the data isn't stripped you can at least attempt to get data off drives that drop from the array.


20TB in my unRAID array. Started in '08 w/ (4) 640GB HDDs, and have been solid ever since w/ incremental upgrades as I find good deals. Much easier to add capacity using these non-stripped RAID-like arrays than it is in a traditional RAID5/6 environment.

I agree wholeheartedly w/jason4207; the only RAID levels I put any kind of "FAITH" into are Level 1 and Level 10...AND that is if I KNOW I can put my FAITH in the RAID hardware to work "as advertised". Not some cheap crap like the $30 AR offer from Newegg that was posted to SD a few days ago. (Yes, I TD'd this!) :P Read the reviews. LOL. Oh, and SW RAID = Never again!)

Sidenotes:

(1) These Seagate Ext HDDs run relatively cool. The 1st gen models did run hot b/c of a badly designed case, which has since been corrected from 2nd gen on...this model is 3rd gen FYI.
(2) I always buy at least TWO of any/every drive I use for work/play. That way, not only can I (better) clone one straight onto the other, but should I have one suffer a component failure such as a dead controller PCB, I have a quick replacement at-the-ready. Nothing beats being able to break out a T6 driver and swap a dead PCB in minutes when rescuing one's data. Especially when you do so while your client watches you save his @$$! :D
Quote:

Originally Posted by fsrkewd (Post 57616484)
Where do you get one of those 25 off 100 coupon from staples after they shutdown those coupon site?

Ughh, Staples sends them to me in the mail and/or places them in my coupon wallet on my Rewards account. Right now I am sitting on a $25 off $75 and a $25 off $100 ATM. ;):cool:

mikelou26 02-15-2013 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waveofdestiny (Post 57617230)
I honestly believe it depends on the batch of drives (and rarely a particular drive like the deathstars of old). They seem to have very similar failure rates these days. From my own personal experiences I'd rather go with WD based on my past experiences with them, but now days I really don't think it matters much.

What does is the warranty - a bit disappointed that both WD and Seagate are gutting the warranties to 2 years from 3-5 years.

thanks!

waveofdestiny 02-15-2013 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelou26 (Post 57617286)
thanks!

No problem brother - if you can try to buy with a card that gives you a free year extended warranty, that way you should be covered fairly well at that point.

deallainomore 02-15-2013 11:56 PM

I have this drive a week ago from Costco.
open the case to put the drive on my DNS-323, and running ALT-F.
No problem

and the funny thing is I use the case to attached my old 1.5 TB. worktable

mikelou26 02-15-2013 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waveofdestiny (Post 57617306)
No problem brother - if you can try to buy with a card that gives you a free year extended warranty, that way you should be covered fairly well at that point.

how do I check if my credit card covers the extra free year? or is it some sort of amex/ mastercard thing?

waveofdestiny 02-16-2013 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelou26 (Post 57617324)
how do I check if my credit card covers the extra free year? or is it some sort of amex/ mastercard thing?

I honeslty don't know an easy way to check - you may want to call customer service on the back of the card and ask a representative. I know my Discover card offers 1-year free warranty extention as well as my Chase Freedom visa card.

Braxus 02-16-2013 12:00 AM

One thing to keep in mind is that the newer stock of these drives are 5900RPM. Older stock will be 7200RPM. Easy way to tell supposedly is if it has a Windows 7 (7200) or Windows 8 (5900) logo on the box.

mikelou26 02-16-2013 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waveofdestiny (Post 57617344)
I honeslty don't know an easy way to check - you may want to call customer service on the back of the card and ask a representative. I know my Discover card offers 1-year free warranty extention as well as my Chase Freedom visa card.

^ I have chase I did not know about the free 1 year free warranty?

waveofdestiny 02-16-2013 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelou26 (Post 57617354)
^ I have chase I did not know about the free 1 year free warranty?

Haha, they periodically send out literature on your card telling you about features about your card. You probably threw it away like I did =P I saw it once mentioned here at slickdeals about free extended warranties with your card and looked up at google and saw Chase Freedom was mentioned. Called up the rep one day and they told me that they offer one year extended warranty on most purchases (I didn't go into it past there). Since then I try to read stuff that comes in beyond the bill >_<

Here is that slickdeals page I found some info at: http://slickdeals.net/f/2160946-Extended-Warranty-on-CC-Purchases

NewtonFine 02-16-2013 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bc_boston (Post 57616538)
I live right next to one in NH so it's shipping and tax free :)

Still cheaper at Staples 4u, if you have a coupon. :P
Quote:

Originally Posted by dealboy12 (Post 57616608)
How fast is USB 3.0 compared to connecting it directly with a SATA cable?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk2007 (Post 57616828)
sata iii is 6 gbit/s and usb 3 is 5 gbit/s

should be equal performance though.

Yep, what he said as those are "theoretical" limits aka "pie-in-the-sky".

heiNey 02-16-2013 12:11 AM

anyone buying this and removing the enclosure willing to sell me the circuit board/sata/usb connector, please pm me.

mikelou26 02-16-2013 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waveofdestiny (Post 57617396)
Haha, they periodically send out literature on your card telling you about features about your card. You probably threw it away like I did =P I saw it once mentioned here at slickdeals about free extended warranties with your card and looked up at google and saw Chase Freedom was mentioned. Called up the rep one day and they told me that they offer one year extended warranty on most purchases (I didn't go into it past there). Since then I try to read stuff that comes in beyond the bill >_<

Here is that slickdeals page I found some info at: http://slickdeals.net/f/2160946-Extended-Warranty-on-CC-Purchases

^ rep'ed you yo :worship:

waveofdestiny 02-16-2013 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelou26 (Post 57617472)
^ rep'ed you yo :worship:

Thanks buddy!

g725s 02-16-2013 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason4207 (Post 57616286)
Traditional RAID is a time bomb just waiting to happen especially with these large capacity drives. Traditional RAID is for enterprise where you have multiple redundant copies in different locations and teams of folks monitoring things and getting paid for it. For the average user having data stripped in RAID 5 or even RAID6 where 1 or 2+ HDD failures will wipe out everything is no good IMO. With drives this large the time it takes for a rebuild it is so long that an error during the process that takes out your whole array is more and more likely. unRAID, FlexRAID, or similar is where you need to be for long term data storage in the consumer sphere. With these solutions, that are designed for large consumer data arrays, you can lose as many drives as you want and the entire array will not be lost. Only the drives that fail are lost in the worst case and since the data isn't stripped you can at least attempt to get data off drives that drop from the array.

20TB in my unRAID array. Started in '08 w/ (4) 640GB HDDs, and have been solid ever since w/ incremental upgrades as I find good deals. Much easier to add capacity using these non-stripped RAID-like arrays than it is in a traditional RAID5/6 environment.

For those that wonder why I need this much storage...I'm trying to backup the entire Internet. :lmao:

Yes but also, with UnRAID and FlexRAID you can get data off the other drives but also with the parity you can recover from a failed drive and rebuild the data back with your parity.

NewtonFine 02-16-2013 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMan (Post 57615998)
Thanks, but I meant a set top box sort of device, not a full PC. I already use my laptop as a makeshift network HTPC, but was looking for something small, cheap (~$100), dedicated, versatile and easy to use.

I had been hoping to get an Echo, but it's had lots of problems and doesn't play DVDs out of the box. Plus it can't yet stream internet video, and is a bit pricey. The WD Live seems like the ticket, but I don't know if it plays VOBs like regular DVDs, with menus and such.

Ideally, I'd like a device that does all of the following (and would be willing to pay more for one):
  • Play VOBs like regular DVDs
  • Watch, record and playback TV (using Ceton InfiniTV on the host HTPC)
  • Play other video formats
  • Stream internet content (e.g. Netflix, Hulu)

An HTPC will do all of this, but won't be able to play back protected content recorded on the host HTPC. The Echo can, but won't play DVDs. A media player can't watch, record or play TV. There doesn't seem to be one universal device that allows you to do all the things you'd want to do on such a device.

I have both the Uebo M400 and Pivos AIOS media centers, which supposedly support up to a 3TB 3.5 inch HDD internally. (Not sure about 4TB...) Both media centers can play DVDs/BDs that are ripped as ISOs with simple menu support. They both play beautifully, but their interfaces are buggy as hell when it comes to fully supporting their boasted feature sets. Definitely not for the faint-of-heart and definitely NOT on par with the user experience you'd enjoy using, say, an AppleTV. :D

Both of the above players sport a Realtek 1185 chipset, etc. The latest gen chipset from Realtek is now the 1186, which support FULL 3D BD rips at 4k rez. My models support 3D as well, but only support 3D rips at up to 1920x1080 so your average 3D rip will have to be scaled down to half rez one way or the other to still enjoy 3D playback.

The hot thing to do lately seems to either get yourself a jailbroken AppleTV and install XBMC, etc. on it, or go with any other media center that is XBMC compatible (such as the Pivos XIOS and company...) I am still looking for an XBMC capable unit that can host an internal 3.5 inch HDD. Just yesterday, while researching for this solution, I found a pretty well-stocked website HERE [iboum.com]. In Europe, but still a good site to check for researching available products, as their inventory of media players is VAST. I do not even think Amazon has all the units they have specs for on their site.

If I can't find a suitable XBMC unit that can house a 3.5, I will most likely end up getting a refurb'd Mac Mini (~$300) and going with a (NewerTech?) matching Ext HDD case
(probably ~$100 just b/c it matches!) :P That is, assuming the case has USB 3.0 as well as Firewire 800 connectors. Dunno yet what they offer. Either that or build a custom microHTPC, etc. Then sell my Uebo and AIOS MCs. Not sure if you can tell but I'm so stressed with all of this, as I can't seem to find a product that has all of the features I need/want in a HTMC setup w/o going w/a full-blown HTPC solution. :eek:

danpi 02-16-2013 12:55 AM

Nice try
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SweetestDeals (Post 57616194)
Doesn't seem like anyone else has noticed (or at least mentioned) that Costco charges $10 S&H, making it more expensive than the others.

No SH if you move your body to the store and get it fellow. May I say "lame"?

jason4207 02-16-2013 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason4207 (Post 57616286)
Traditional RAID is a time bomb just waiting to happen especially with these large capacity drives. Traditional RAID is for enterprise where you have multiple redundant copies in different locations and teams of folks monitoring things and getting paid for it. For the average user having data stripped in RAID 5 or even RAID6 where 1 or 2+ HDD failures will wipe out everything is no good IMO. With drives this large the time it takes for a rebuild it is so long that an error during the process that takes out your whole array is more and more likely. unRAID, FlexRAID, or similar is where you need to be for long term data storage in the consumer sphere. With these solutions, that are designed for large consumer data arrays, you can lose as many drives as you want and the entire array will not be lost. Only the drives that fail are lost in the worst case and since the data isn't stripped you can at least attempt to get data off drives that drop from the array.

20TB in my unRAID array. Started in '08 w/ (4) 640GB HDDs, and have been solid ever since w/ incremental upgrades as I find good deals. Much easier to add capacity using these non-stripped RAID-like arrays than it is in a traditional RAID5/6 environment.

For those that wonder why I need this much storage...I'm trying to backup the entire Internet. :lmao:

Quote:

Originally Posted by g725s (Post 57617758)
Yes you can get data off the other drives but also with the parity you can recover from a failed drive and rebuild the data back with your parity.

What do you mean? You aren't getting any data off the failed RAID5/6 array rebuild unless you pay in the thousands to a data recovery company.

unRAID and FlexRAID and others like them have parity protection as well as the ability to lose drives beyond the breaking point w/o losing the entire array. And since the data isn't stripped you can easily scan drives that fall out of the array and typically recover 99+% of your data. In typical RAID everything is gone, no way to recover anything. Thing is drives can give errors that will cause an array to fail well before the drive fails completely. Chance of this happening during a rebuild grows as drive sizes increase. ;)

NewtonFine 02-16-2013 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g725s (Post 57617758)
Yes you can get data off the other drives but also with the parity you can recover from a failed drive and rebuild the data back with your parity.

Who has time for that with storage being this cheap? I would rather RESTORE than REBUILD. It is way faster and often more reliable to do so.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, IMO you place too much FAITH in RAID tech. It was great to have when storage prices were sky high and (if/when) IT WORKED out okay for you in the end, but often RAIDs fail in unpredictable ways. Jason here sounds like he knows this (perhaps 1st-hand, like myself) how you thought you had yourself covered until you, boom-thud, realized you didn't/weren't b/c your RAID was junk for X, Y, Z reason(s) and now your data may be gone for good. :eek:

P.S. - Also, Jason qualified his remarks in mentioning that traditional RAID is (fine) for "enterprise where you have multiple redundant copies" etc, etc...which I agree w/as being the only way to implement it properly as something beneficial (speed, parity, etc.) and not as he put it so well, "a time bomb waiting to happen". You can choose to heed the advice from experienced IT folk like myself (and I assume, Jason) or learn the hard way one day (hopefully not at a loss of more than just your time).

SweetestDeals 02-16-2013 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danpi (Post 57617846)
No SH if you move your body to the store and get it fellow. May I say "lame"?

But is it really worth all that effort just to save $1.50? :teehee:
I mean, sure this is SlickDeals, but at what point does it actually "cost" more--especially when you figure the price of gas?

logic54 02-16-2013 02:15 AM

Newegg's been blowin nemore lately tho. Has anyone else noticed Amazons a bit cheaper?

Hrshycro 02-16-2013 05:04 AM

Cheaper at Costco right now... If you have a membership, which, if you live within 25 miles of a Costco, why don't you have a membership, get it there.

picrthis 02-16-2013 06:23 AM

The Deal is gone now on Amazon.....but Newegg still has it until the 18th.

Dranon 02-16-2013 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antlp89 (Post 57610990)
I am sincerely curious to what the average person would need 4TB of storage for.

Family of 8. Extensive Music TV movie and music collection on PLEX AND I have a large DIGITAL Comic book collection comics alone are 915GB! My 3 terab drive is 3/4 full. ALL my DVD movies and TV shows are digitized onto the hard drive now. Much easier to select and watch! As for the other guys comment about porn. My guess would be that MOST people stream their porn now but I could be wrong.

dzALLday 02-16-2013 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord2Fight (Post 57617118)
What a useless post, this is from NOVEMBER

no sh*t i know it's from november. the whole point was someone POSTED saying a 3TB deal was ON SALE FOR 90 DOLLARS before and another someone ELSE wanted LINKS. i was merely handing it out and showing the deal.

NOWHERE DID I SAY THAT IT'S STILL ACTIVE AND IT IS ABLE TO BE BOUGHT FROM THE SITE.

wobly 02-16-2013 07:47 AM

For those wanting to back up their data using the built in Windows features, you may want to test your backup solutions before trusting it. Backup and restore before you believe it works.

I bought two of these a couple weeks ago from Costco to back up my Windows Home Server. I plugged them in and the computer recognized them in Windows Explorer with no issue. I added them to the Backup pool in the WHS Dashboard and they errored out on every backup attempt. After doing some research, it turns out that the built in backup solutions for WHS v1, WHS 2011, (all versions of servers) and Windows 7 won't backup to a hard drive that has 4096b sectors, but they will to one that has 512b sectors. WD has a tool available to format your drive to 512 sectors, but from what I can see, Seagate does not. You can use exFAT to format the drive, but then you can't create a functional system image to restore the boot info.

However, not all is lost. It has been reported that Windows 8 doesn't have the same problem with the built in backup program as previous versions. I haven't been able to test that yet. Also, the software that Seagate includes is actually a stripped down version of Acronis that works very well...although you can't schedule backups...so that can eliminate the need to use the built in software. Also, if you are just dragging and dropping info to save it, these work very well.

The above info is NOT a slam on Seagate. They produce the drive and they make them work with the widest array of systems out there. Microsoft, on the other hand, could have come up with solutions to make the different OS's work with the ever increasing drive sizes, but didn't. There is a KB out there that very few people have reported success with.

tsikwa 02-16-2013 08:10 AM

If you want to reliably give protection to these very large drives and are afraid of the RAID cliff - I suggest you look at building your own storage array using ZFS. It's the same technology as NETAPP - the fast rising Enterprise Storage and Oracles Storage Appliance (and Nexenta too).

Get a very good Motherboard
Get a Lower Power quad or dual core CPU
lots of RAM you can buy
UPS

Use Solaris 11 or CenTOS or even Nexenta.


My planned build will be as follows:

Core i7-3770 or 3770S (35 to 77W)
Motherboard that supports Intel VT-D (for passing PCIe Cards to Virtual Machine)
16GB RAM
oVirt or ESXi 5 Hypervisor

On this rig - I will have the Folloiwing Virtual Machines:
VM1: ZFS FileServer
(Solaris 11, Nexenta or Linux)
Simply import my existing 6x3TB ZFS Pool (12 TB Capacity)
Add 2x4TB new ZFS Poo for VM Storage


VM2: Windows 7 Media Center
Ceton Quad Tuner PCie passed to VM via VT-d
HD4000 (of i7) passed to WIndows MCE to meet DRM / HDCP reqs of MCE
Storage off of VM1

VM3: VDI
WIndows 7 Pro - for Secure Surfing, Work VPN, etc.

Hyopervisor and VM's OS Images will be on Mirrored 240GB SSDs.

avatar13 02-16-2013 08:23 AM

Wait so you can't use windows 7 backup due to sector size limitation in OS and the built in seagate application doesn't support scheduled backups?

MingoDynasty 02-16-2013 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason4207 (Post 57617936)
unRAID and FlexRAID and others like them

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewtonFine (Post 57617956)
IMO you place too much FAITH in RAID tech

Sorry for being noob, but I'm not 100% sure exactly how unRAID works, but I couldn't find definitive information on Google.

1. If you lose the parity drive, then you just simply lose the redundancy?
2. If you lose the parity drive and any data drive, then the data on that drive is gone?
3. If you lose any data drive, then you can restore it as long as the parity drive is okay?
4. If you lose more than one data drive, then what happens?

Also, how does unRAID compare to ZFS raid, as tsikwa brought up?

I have a bunch of storage, somewhere along the lines of 16TB, and I'm looking to get some proper redundancy on them to tolerate drive failures. Mostly 2TB drives, but soon it'll include higher capacity drives (whenever another internal 3TB or 4TB deal comes up). What is the best way to accomplish this?
Quote:

Originally Posted by tsikwa (Post 57620246)
If you want to reliably give protection to these very large drives and are afraid of the RAID cliff - I suggest you look at building your own storage array using ZFS.

Wouldn't ZFS raid (or RAIDZ) simply be the same as RAID 5/6?

smartdeals 02-16-2013 08:43 AM

i use rsync for backup...

g725s 02-16-2013 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewtonFine (Post 57616376)
Yes, exactly. Best method would be to login to your favorite cashback website, portal over to staples.com, add HDD to cart, click livechat, ask CSR for a PM to costco.com, then have him/her apply your $25 off coupon.

I got the Seagate 3TB for $64.99 plus tax (free S&H, so ~$70 total) by PMing to Amazon on this deal HERE a couple of days b4 BF2012 after doing the above via phone order. (I forgot about cashback...) Now with this deal, I think I might bump the internal capacity of my media center to 4TB (if it can handle it).


I'm not familiar with cashback websites. Anyone able to go into more detail or PM me on how to get this drive for $135.

Hawk2007 02-16-2013 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g725s (Post 57620862)
I'm not familiar with cashback websites. Anyone able to go into more detail or PM me on how to get this drive for $135.


they pricematched to staples and then used a $25 off coupon for staples.

g725s 02-16-2013 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason4207 (Post 57617936)
What do you mean? You aren't getting any data off the failed RAID5/6 array rebuild unless you pay in the thousands to a data recovery company.

unRAID and FlexRAID and others like them have parity protection as well as the ability to lose drives beyond the breaking point w/o losing the entire array. And since the data isn't stripped you can easily scan drives that fall out of the array and typically recover 99+% of your data. In typical RAID everything is gone, no way to recover anything. Thing is drives can give errors that will cause an array to fail well before the drive fails completely. Chance of this happening during a rebuild grows as drive sizes increase. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewtonFine (Post 57617956)
Who has time for that with storage being this cheap? I would rather RESTORE than REBUILD. It is way faster and often more reliable to do so.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, IMO you place too much FAITH in RAID tech. It was great to have when storage prices were sky high and (if/when) IT WORKED out okay for you in the end, but often RAIDs fail in unpredictable ways. Jason here sounds like he knows this (perhaps 1st-hand, like myself) how you thought you had yourself covered until you, boom-thud, realized you didn't/weren't b/c your RAID was junk for X, Y, Z reason(s) and now your data may be gone for good. :eek:

P.S. - Also, Jason qualified his remarks in mentioning that traditional RAID is (fine) for "enterprise where you have multiple redundant copies" etc, etc...which I agree w/as being the only way to implement it properly as something beneficial (speed, parity, etc.) and not as he put it so well, "a time bomb waiting to happen". You can choose to heed the advice from experienced IT folk like myself (and I assume, Jason) or learn the hard way one day (hopefully not at a loss of more than just your time).

I was talking about UnRAID and FlexRAID, sorry I should have been more specific in my response. Can you not recover from a one drive failure and get back what you had on that failed drive? Not just the data on the other drives that did not fail, but yes that is also a great feature of these software RAIDs. But I was talking about restoring and rebuilding from a typical one drive failure.

thcomb 02-16-2013 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by echz (Post 57614954)
I'm just not so sure that I'd trust putting 4TB worth of "eggs" in one basket. Especially a basket that's made by Seagate... Seems like too much data to trust on one drive with no redundancy to me! But, for the cost (and those of you with enough balls to trust Seagate with that much info!) it seems like a good deal.


I have 10TB worth of Seagate spinning storage in my desktop and I haven't had a problem. In fact, I wish I could justify replacing all of my non-SSDs with these 4TB drives, but the cost is too high. (I got my 3TB x 3 for $90 each, plus a 1TB for $35... All but one 3TB were pulled out of external enclosures too.)

Granted, I've dedicated 6TB as a backup drive in RAID0 for the entire system.

wobly 02-16-2013 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avatar13 (Post 57620430)
Wait so you can't use windows 7 backup due to sector size limitation in OS and the built in seagate application doesn't support scheduled backups?

I guess I wasn't very clear...The software that comes on the drive (Seagate Dashboard) DOES have scheduling capability to back up your files. The DiscWizard software that you can download from Seagate, does not. However, from what I have been able to find, neither of those programs have the capability to create a system image. They can back up your files, but I can't find where they will let you do a bare-metal restore. (ie, your PC hard drive dies and you want to do a restore to a new drive with all your settings and files put right back where they were on the new hard drive) If there is another (free!) software solution that others know of, please share the info!

More info...
Q: Does the Dashboard back up my applications and settings on my computer?
A: No, the Dashboard will not back up applications and settings. It only backs up data files and folders from your Mac or PC.
http://knowledge.seagate.com/arti...Q/004442en


Here are a couple of quick takes on the 4K vs. 512 sector issue with the built in backup tools...

http://www.amazon.com/review/R220...ZZABLBBLQ1

http://forums.seagate.com/t5/GoFl...m-p/188745

HetfieldJ 02-16-2013 10:30 AM

I like it but am wondering how can I possibly utilize 4TB?

jayareu 02-16-2013 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk2007 (Post 57620944)
they pricematched to staples and then used a $25 off coupon for staples.

Thanks! Did the same, Staples price matched Amazon price, then applied $25 coupon I received from Staples.

bennynihon 02-16-2013 11:30 AM

Does anyone know if these drives support Error Recovery Control (ERC)? Western DIgital refers to this as TLER (Time Limited Error Recovery). Basically it limits the drive from spending too much time trying to repair an error. This is essential when using a drive with a RAID controller, because if the drive spends too much time fixing errors, the drive will appear offline and it will be dropped from the RAID array.

NewtonFine 02-16-2013 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hrshycro (Post 57618680)
Cheaper at Costco right now... If you have a membership, which, if you live within 25 miles of a Costco, why don't you have a membership, get it there.

I haven't had a membership at Costco ever since I had the epiphany that I was absolutely mad/stupid (duh!?!) for paying to shop at an establishment where waiting in their long lines at checkout (b/c every customer has a cart overflowing w/merchandise) was commonplace (YMMV; my Costco was the only one in all of Brooklyn, NY - aka "4th largest city in the world"), and after watching my sister get ready to rumble with another "soccer mom" over the last available rotisserie chicken! :eek:

Besides, back then I was single and after being a member of Costco for 2 years I realized that I mostly used my membership on Tide laundry detergent and bulk Kirkland toilet paper purchases. :D Simply put, either I didn't like the merchandise selection, the portions were too big (for little ol' me), or I just didn't find their prices slick enough...especially after you factor in the $$$ you kick up-front just to get through the freakin' door. :omg:

Flash to present day, and about 2-3 times/year I get an offer for a free 2 month membership in the mail to shop at BJ's. So why 'buy-in' (unless you have a B&M business and need supplies on 'the regular')? I think that says a lot about the continuing "success" of warehouse shopping clubs in general. :nod:

P.S. - Also, I remember that back 'in-the-day' (not sure about now) Costco only accepted AmEx. I had cancelled both my personal/business accounts sometime earlier after my attempted 1st-use and asked them for a refund of my two membership fees. Supposedly the cards have "no limit", they tell you, but mine both balked at a $3200 HDD purchase (told you drives used 2b crazy expensive!) I was trying to place for a friend. I was told I had to build up a history/usage-pattern first. Please, not when they have access to my credit reports, etc.. AmEx; another stupid contraption for which I realized I was mad/stupid for paying to have the "privilege" of using/being-a-member. :mad:

73ChargerFan 02-16-2013 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by picrthis (Post 57619032)
The Deal is gone now on Amazon.....but Newegg still has it until the 18th.

It was there for me 5 minutes ago.

davidbix 02-16-2013 04:14 PM

What drive is inside these, the 4TB Constellation or a Barracuda model that isn't being sold as internal yet?

Also, for those who open these up to use the drives internally: I know that usually the Seagate warranty checker works fine with the serial number on the internal drive. Will they do a warranty replacement based just on the serial warranty or do they need a receipt and thus you need to keep the external case undamaged?

Bethgzus 02-16-2013 04:23 PM

Still works, and I just got one! Thanks OP! =)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HetfieldJ (Post 57622528)
I like it but am wondering how can I possibly utilize 4gigs?

4 gigs is easy to use, 4TB isn't though. ;)

Nigeria_Scammer 02-16-2013 06:09 PM

Good god that's a lot of space.. I bought a 2TB drive years ago, and have backed up my computer, downloaded every application, movie, tv show, and mp3 that I thought would be decent, never deleted anything; yet, I still have over a TB left. I suppose you could probably fill it after a long time if you download everything in 1080p though (and have a fast enough internet connection that downloading 20-100 gigs at a time don't take too long).

jason4207 02-16-2013 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MingoDynasty (Post 57620608)
Sorry for being noob, but I'm not 100% sure exactly how unRAID works, but I couldn't find definitive information on Google.

1. If you lose the parity drive, then you just simply lose the redundancy?
Yes, all the data is intact, but not protected. The files are on individual physical HDDs and not stripped across them. Install a replacement HDD and recalculate parity.

2. If you lose the parity drive and any data drive, then the data on that drive is gone?
Not necessarily. The drive drops from the array. You can attempt to read the files off the "dropped" HDD as a single drive in another PC. Typically, HDDs die a semi-slow death unless you do physical damage.

3. If you lose any data drive, then you can restore it as long as the parity drive is okay?
Yes.

4. If you lose more than one data drive, then what happens?
Whatever drives remain in the array will be readable. If you remove the bad drives, you can recalculate parity with the remaining drives. You can then attempt to read the "bad drives in another PC. Or if it's just a loose cable or something you can get it connected right and it will just rejoin the array. You could start up the array with 3 drives disconnected. You'll be able to get to all your files except the ones on those drives that are disconnected. Reboot with the drives reconnected and your right back where you need to be in a parity protected state.

Also, how does unRAID compare to ZFS raid, as tsikwa brought up?
I haven't used ZFS, but have heard great things about it. I'm not sure if it will let you add drives as freely as unRAID, but I could be wrong. unRAID has a great forum if you have any problems.

I have a bunch of storage, somewhere along the lines of 16TB, and I'm looking to get some proper redundancy on them to tolerate drive failures. Mostly 2TB drives, but soon it'll include higher capacity drives (whenever another internal 3TB or 4TB deal comes up). What is the best way to accomplish this?
Build a server. Cheap mobo w/ as many sata ports as possible. Also look for PCIe slots. You can add 2 port sata PCIeX1 cards for $15. Go cheap...use an old PC if you already have it. unRAID and FlexRAID both have free trials. FlexRAID may be better if your drives are pretty full.

Wouldn't ZFS raid (or RAIDZ) simply be the same as RAID 5/6?

Answers in red above ^


Quote:

Originally Posted by g725s (Post 57621212)
I was talking about UnRAID and FlexRAID, sorry I should have been more specific in my response. Can you not recover from a one drive failure and get back what you had on that failed drive? Not just the data on the other drives that did not fail, but yes that is also a great feature of these software RAIDs. But I was talking about restoring and rebuilding from a typical one drive failure.

1 drive failure restore is easy. All RAID except RAID0 will do that. It's what these non-stripped parity protection algorithms do when there is more than 1 drive failure that is the differentiator. FlexRAID even allows RAIDn parity protection, so you can use as many parity drives as you want.

ZacharyA 02-16-2013 10:43 PM

Seagate Backup Plus 4 TB USB 3.0 Desktop External Hard Drive for $161.49 @ Amazon
 
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Seagate Backup Plus 4 TB USB 3.0 Desktop External Hard Drive STCA4000100 [amazon.com]


Product Features
Size: 4 TB
  • Keep copies of your precious digital files, in case disaster strikes
  • Impressive 4 TB storage capacity
  • Save feature enables user-generated content to be backed up from your favorite social network
  • Share feature allows multiple files to be uploaded to social networks at once from your computer
  • Install the pre-loaded NTFS driver for Mac and use the drive interchangeably between PC and Mac computers without reformatting
  • Features USB 3.0 for quick data transfer rates; upgrade to Thunderbolt technology or FireWire 800 with the available additional adapter

calistyle 02-16-2013 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZacharyA (Post 57633066)
Seagate Backup Plus 4 TB USB 3.0 Desktop External Hard Drive STCA4000100 [amazon.com]


Product Features
Size: 4 TB
  • Keep copies of your precious digital files, in case disaster strikes
  • Impressive 4 TB storage capacity
  • Save feature enables user-generated content to be backed up from your favorite social network
  • Share feature allows multiple files to be uploaded to social networks at once from your computer
  • Install the pre-loaded NTFS driver for Mac and use the drive interchangeably between PC and Mac computers without reformatting
  • Features USB 3.0 for quick data transfer rates; upgrade to Thunderbolt technology or FireWire 800 with the available additional adapter

Thanks, but it's already on the FP.

Steve R 02-16-2013 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuugotserved (Post 57612532)
Newegg has 4TB Seagate Backup Plus USB 3.0 Desktop External Hard Drive (STCA4000100) for $189.99 - 15% off with promo code EMCXVWR98 = $161.49. Shipping is free. Thanks J4TUN

Amazon also has it for $161.49 with free shipping.

Price Research: Our research indicates that 4TB Seagate Backup Plus USB 3.0 Desktop External Hard Drive (STCA4000100) is $20 lower (11% savings) than the next best available price from a reputable merchant with prices ranging from $181 to $217. - yuugotserved

Can we also stack the 2% Fat Wallet cashback at Newegg to sweeten the deal even more?

parasmoney 02-17-2013 11:08 AM

For those who have Costco membership, this is on sale for $160 until 2/24/13.

http://www.costco.com/Seagate-Bac...22923.html

javacafe 02-17-2013 12:34 PM

In for one.

Now that Amazon charges sales tax in my state, Newegg is a pretty good place to get this from, especially with ShopRunner. (Costco will charge ST as well.)

I intend to put this along my office desk computer, and use Crashplan to back up my home computer on to this (home and office are in separate locations). Anyone tried this backup scheme yet?

dankim1987 02-17-2013 06:24 PM

Has anybody checked, does Costco have this in stock in-store or is it online only? I'd rather pick it up than order online.

wobly 02-17-2013 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dankim1987 (Post 57647724)
Has anybody checked, does Costco have this in stock in-store or is it online only? I'd rather pick it up than order online.

I picked up the two I got at Costco B&M.

hiperco 02-17-2013 09:44 PM

Staples has it too, $159.99 or even less with coupon..

tim1dogg 02-17-2013 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MingoDynasty (Post 57614762)
4GB and 1GB drives? Wtf is this, 1998?

I meant to say 4TB and 1 TB sorry lol. If it were 4GB it wouldnt hurt as much or be such a pain to backup in multiple places.

RyanL 02-18-2013 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewtonFine (Post 57617254)
Ughh, Staples sends them to me in the mail and/or places them in my coupon wallet on my Rewards account. Right now I am sitting on a $25 off $75 and a $25 off $100 ATM. ;):cool:

He probably meant how are you getting these $25 coupons. Most people don't mention coupons like that unless it's a coupon code or you have a link to one. You're response is like saying that you got your money from your pocket. I'm guessing either you do a lot of business with staples and/or have a business account with them. Most of us have to buy them from ebay these days for almost $10 (ever since ejunkie stopped selling them). The Staples deal is not so hot for me; by the time I add taxes to the sale price (I have to pay taxes at Staples) and the cost of the coupon, I might as well get it from Amazon. If you know of any multi-use Staples coupons, feel free to post them up.

sdtdl 02-18-2013 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilot757 (Post 57615334)
Are people really thinking about only buying one of these? If you don't use these in a RAID you deserve to lose all your data when the drive fails. It might happen a week after you buy it. It might happen 5 years after you buy it, but make no mistake, it will fail. Every hard drive fails eventually. There is no way to avoid it so you sure as sh*t better be ready for it. Seagate has been a good company to me. I had a Seagate fail almost a year out of warranty and they still replaced it for me for free. The packaging (external case) the drive comes in should be removed before you use the drive anyway. It gets really hot in there and heat is bad for your drive.


Sorry noob question, so it's not a good idea to buy this to put all my movies in because one day it will fail and all my movies will be no more?

avatar13 02-18-2013 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wobly (Post 57648818)
I picked up the two I got at Costco B&M.

Are yours the 7200 DX model or the 5900 RPM model? Can you confirm if the packaging showed Windows 7 or Windows 8? My costco has both but I want to make sure the Windows 7 packages are the 7200 RPM models. There was an earliest post stating the windows 7 package had the 7200 RPM drives but the boxes I saw didn't match the part number listed. At my Costco both win 7/8 boxes had the same part number in the back.

SiXiam 02-18-2013 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdtdl (Post 57658314)
Sorry noob question, so it's not a good idea to buy this to put all my movies in because one day it will fail and all my movies will be no more?

Short of buying two drives you can use my method. Just keep a text file with the names of everything on the drive. Be sure to keep this on a separate drive. That way in the event of drive failure you at least know what you lost. Obviously you should only do this with movies and tv shows that can be easily replaced.

MingoDynasty 02-18-2013 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiXiam (Post 57660642)
Short of buying two drives you can use my method. Just keep a text file with the names of everything on the drive. Be sure to keep this on a separate drive. That way in the event of drive failure you at least know what you lost. Obviously you should only do this with movies and tv shows that can be easily replaced.

An easier way is to simply use a drive indexer to generate that list for you.

pilot757 02-18-2013 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdtdl (Post 57658314)
Sorry noob question, so it's not a good idea to buy this to put all my movies in because one day it will fail and all my movies will be no more?

Exactly. Always have a backup. It's ok to buy it and put all your movies on it. Just make sure you have them backed up so when your hard drive fails you won't lose everything. Before I had a RAID I used the buddy system. I gave a copy of all my movies and music to my buddy and he gave a copy of all his music and movies to me. When one of his drives failed he bought a new one and I filled it up with what he lost.

SiXiam 02-18-2013 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MingoDynasty (Post 57660696)
An easier way is to simply use a drive indexer to generate that list for you.

I like putting my own notes detailing the source or other info.

NewtonFine 02-18-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanL (Post 57653058)
He probably meant how are you getting these $25 coupons. Most people don't mention coupons like that unless it's a coupon code or you have a link to one. You're response is like saying that you got your money from your pocket. I'm guessing either you do a lot of business with staples and/or have a business account with them. Most of us have to buy them from ebay these days for almost $10 (ever since ejunkie stopped selling them). The Staples deal is not so hot for me; by the time I add taxes to the sale price (I have to pay taxes at Staples) and the cost of the coupon, I might as well get it from Amazon. If you know of any multi-use Staples coupons, feel free to post them up.

I haven't done anything special to get them. All I did was sign up for a Staples Rewards account back in March 2012. Since then, about once a quarter, they send me a "25 off" coupon. Just a couple of weeks ago, I received a 2nd coupon just prior to the expiration of the last one. So, ATM, I have two. I always try to find something to use them on, which perhaps is why they keep sending them. I dunno. Other than that, I am not a big customer (at Staples) nor am I a "Premier Rewards" member.

RyanL 02-18-2013 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NewtonFine (Post 57667926)
I haven't done anything special to get them. All I did was sign up for a Staples Rewards account back in March 2012. Since then, about once a quarter, they send me a "25 off" coupon. Just a couple of weeks ago, I received a 2nd coupon just prior to the expiration of the last one. So, ATM, I have two. I always try to find something to use them on, which perhaps is why they keep sending them. I dunno. Other than that, I am not a big customer (at Staples) nor am I a "Premier Rewards" member.

Now that makes me even more mad because I joined the rewards program a little over a year ago, order from them fairly often (I probably spend about $100/month), and have yet to get one of those damn coupons. They come as a postcard from what I hear, maybe they steal them at the post office or something. Postal workers are getting rich on ebay.

NewtonFine 02-18-2013 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanL (Post 57668330)
Now that makes me even more mad because I joined the rewards program a little over a year ago, order from them fairly often (I probably spend about $100/month), and have yet to get one of those damn coupons. They come as a postcard from what I hear, maybe they steal them at the post office or something. Postal workers are getting rich on ebay.

That could be; heard (confirmed) reports of that happening in some parts. I do remember that after signing up, I was a bit impatient about not yet receiving one and I called their 800# to inquire. The CSR told me that they (Staples) should be sending them out soon and to look for them in the mail and thru email. I don't know if he did something but surely enough, a little over a week later I received a plastic postcard from Staples with my 1st "25 off". It was online/phone only and also appeared as a code in my Rewards coupon wallet. The rest is history....

faltoos 02-18-2013 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanL (Post 57668330)
Now that makes me even more mad because I joined the rewards program a little over a year ago, order from them fairly often (I probably spend about $100/month), and have yet to get one of those damn coupons. They come as a postcard from what I hear, maybe they steal them at the post office or something. Postal workers are getting rich on ebay.

I joined Staples Rewards program 8 years ago, have had premier status until last year. I haven't received a single $25 off coupon. I want to burn Staples down :mad::mad:

RyanL 02-18-2013 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by faltoos (Post 57668792)
I joined Staples Rewards program 8 years ago, have had premier status until last year. I haven't received a single $25 off coupon. I want to burn Staples down :mad::mad:

I'll come help! I don't know how they select who gets them and who doesn't (kind of like some of the Newegg promotions that I never get either). Maybe it's like a secret society that you have to belong to. Like that other guy was saying, I'll call and bitch to see if they do something about it.

NewtonFine 02-18-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by faltoos (Post 57668792)
I joined Staples Rewards program 8 years ago, have had premier status until last year. I haven't received a single $25 off coupon. I want to burn Staples down :mad::mad:

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Originally Posted by RyanL (Post 57669380)
I'll come help! I don't know how they select who gets them and who doesn't (kind of like some of the Newegg promotions that I never get either). Maybe it's like a secret society that you have to belong to. Like that other guy was saying, I'll call and bitch to see if they do something about it.

Maybe it was the call to Staples CS. You definitely should give that a try if your not getting the "25 off" coupons. Hell, I'd raise hell now if I didn't get one within the next 1-2 months now that I've gotten so accustomed to getting them regularly. :D
As for Newegg, I've had an account on Egghead (R.I.P.) and now on Newegg since their inception. I have never received a promo coupon from them. And I am signed up for their newsletters, promos, etc. Now that we're "on the topic", I think I'll give them a call as well to ask them why. :) If anything happens, I'll let you know.

P.S. - I dislike how companies like Newegg offers discounts for "new" customers (aka email signups) and offer no incentives nor rewards to customers like myself who've done thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of $$$ in business with them. Now, especially after how they've tarnished their good reputation shipping HDDs in "overnight-type" envelopes to several customers who received them DOA, :mad: I just get on their site to read reviews and conduct research on pending purchases. I'm not looking to set myself up to have a stressful day/week/month (ie; the time it could possibly take to figure out the shipped HDD is failing on you...) dealing with a (possible) return b/c a company as big as Newegg wants to save themselves $0.50 to $1.00 on proper packing materials. :wave:

Ostracus 02-19-2013 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tsikwa (Post 57620246)
If you want to reliably give protection to these very large drives and are afraid of the RAID cliff - I suggest you look at building your own storage array using ZFS. It's the same technology as NETAPP - the fast rising Enterprise Storage and Oracles Storage Appliance (and Nexenta too).

Get a very good Motherboard
Get a Lower Power quad or dual core CPU
lots of RAM you can buy
UPS

Use Solaris 11 or CenTOS or even Nexenta.


My planned build will be as follows:

Core i7-3770 or 3770S (35 to 77W)
Motherboard that supports Intel VT-D (for passing PCIe Cards to Virtual Machine)
16GB RAM
oVirt or ESXi 5 Hypervisor

On this rig - I will have the Folloiwing Virtual Machines:
VM1: ZFS FileServer
(Solaris 11, Nexenta or Linux)
Simply import my existing 6x3TB ZFS Pool (12 TB Capacity)
Add 2x4TB new ZFS Poo for VM Storage


VM2: Windows 7 Media Center
Ceton Quad Tuner PCie passed to VM via VT-d
HD4000 (of i7) passed to WIndows MCE to meet DRM / HDCP reqs of MCE
Storage off of VM1

VM3: VDI
WIndows 7 Pro - for Secure Surfing, Work VPN, etc.

Hyopervisor and VM's OS Images will be on Mirrored 240GB SSDs.

Notice you left out ECC. Don't want to have any weak links.;)

lancorp 02-19-2013 05:30 AM

I received two that I ordered from Amazon, and both of the boxes have the Windows 8 logo, not Windows 7 logo.

I cannot tell, otherwise, what is inside. Is there a way to tell without opening the drive enclosure? Speed test or something? When I was copying mkv files to the new drive, I was sustaining about 70MB/s over USB 3.0.

tsikwa 02-19-2013 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ostracus (Post 57675816)
Notice you left out ECC. Don't want to have any weak links.;)

I have a Proliant N40L, running for close to 2 years now -- non-ECC Memory never had any problems.
Also had self build ASUS mATX, AMD low power (45 watt) quad core AMD 906e cpu I think - also had non-ECC Memory and I never had issues.

But you're right for Business/Office Use Self Built RAID Builds -- ECC is an insurance worth investing on.

handyguy 02-19-2013 10:28 AM

Last year it was 3T, this year 4T, so next year 5T.

sdtdl 02-19-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SiXiam (Post 57660642)
Short of buying two drives you can use my method. Just keep a text file with the names of everything on the drive. Be sure to keep this on a separate drive. That way in the event of drive failure you at least know what you lost. Obviously you should only do this with movies and tv shows that can be easily replaced.


But in the end it will still be lost unless I back it up again with another drive.. sounds 'spensive.....

Twinsfan 02-19-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KMan (Post 57613266)
Like most here ripped DVDs + TV recordings are what I use my large HDs for. I'm curious, though, do you view your movies on a TV that's not your computer monitor, and if so what device do you use for this? E.g. WD Live, XBox, Ceton Echo, etc. Also, what format do you save your movies to, and does it support DVD menus?

I've got a bunch of DVDs ripped to VOBs that I currently watch on my 24" PC monitor using Windows Media Center, and it's like watching the original DVD, with menus, special features, audio settings, etc. But for the life of me I can't figure out how to watch these movies on a separate TV using one of these devices, networked to my HTPC, such that I can watch them as I do on my HTPC, with menus, etc.

Any recommendations? I know that you can play individual VOB files on the WD Live, but w/o menus, making it a pain to jump ahead, skip chapters, etc.

I use an Asus O'Play. For the model I have (I think there are half a dozen or more) which is admittedly a few years old, it will play .VOB files with full menus (which is the file format I use). For Bluray rips, it doesn't recognize the menu, so you have to rip the movie separately (which sucks if you want the special features, etc.). I use M2TS for those.

It also recognizes an array of different video types, though I have discovered that .FLV files are iffy at best.

The one I have does not support Netflix, by the way, though I know other (more expensive) models do.

There are probably better devices out there, but I've gotten a lot of use out of mine for the price point.

Behave 02-19-2013 07:10 PM

I did a staples price match with costco and they charged me 9.99 for shipping. Anybody else?

iq100 02-20-2013 06:14 AM

4TB box mentoning Windows 8 can still be 7200 rpm
 
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Originally Posted by Behave (Post 57696280)
I did a staples price match with costco and they charged me 9.99 for shipping. Anybody else?

Same here. Ordered last Friday. But Staples dropped their price by about $10 Monday, so Staple refunded the $10.

My STCA4000100 arrived Tuesday. IS IT 7200 RPM? Box mentions Windows 8, which someone said mean NOT 7200. Sticker on enclosure mentions DX which does mean 7200.

Here is the info from sticker on the black ventilated enclosure:
MODEL SRD0SD0
PN: 1DXAP4-500 4TB
SN: NA5Jxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I called Seagate. First told they do not know!. Then one guy said his manager looked up in some 'special database' and said it is 7200, and that all newer STCA4000100 have 7200 rpm. So that contradicts what I have seen written that newer units have 5900 or 5400 rpm? I evenr had the Seagate agent email me 7200 rpm in writing, but do not have any confidence without actually opening the enclosure, lookin at disk, and testing.

Here is a redacted copy of email from Seagate:
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Dear XXX:

Thank you for contacting Seagate Support.

This is to confirm that I told you that the RPM of our new drives are 7200 and will however run at the speed of the fastest device of your computer.

Your drive Serial number is :NA5Jxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

For additional assistance, feel free to contact us at: http://www.seagate.com/about/cont...l-support/

Regards,

Leslie
Seagate Support

ref: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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If true, this would CONTRADICT the statement that "boxes referencing Windows 8 is NOT 7200 rpm". Can anyone confirm whether PN: 1DXAP4-500 4TB, Model SRD0SD0 is 7200?
Will Seagate downloadable software, or any other software confirm, 7200? I don't want to crack the enclosure just to test, in case I want to return it.

In today's world you would think spending over a $100 on a product entitles you to a material specification like rpm. It should be stamped right on the enclosure's label !!

buvwon 02-21-2013 11:37 AM

In the same boat as iq100. Same specs in my unit except PN.

Is there a benchmark that would make it clear if it was 7200RPM or 5900RPM?

I may crack it open. Is there a non-destructive way to open these?

If I open, I'll post what I find.

iq100 02-21-2013 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by buvwon (Post 57735946)
In the same boat as iq100. Same specs in my unit except PN.

Is there a benchmark that would make it clear if it was 7200RPM or 5900RPM?

I may crack it open. Is there a non-destructive way to open these?

If I open, I'll post what I find.

What is the PN on the enclosure?

buvwon 02-21-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by iq100 (Post 57736386)
What is the PN on the enclosure?

Same as yours. I was looking on the box and that is different.

buvwon 02-21-2013 03:07 PM

So I went ahead and opened one up [youtube.com].

Barracuda XT - ST4000DX000

I think the easiest and fastest way to check is to follow the video above only until the plastic strip is off. So stop at about 2:30 in the video.

You can then view the SN of the internal drive on the sticker that's underneath where the vent holds in that strip were.

Then check the warranty [seagate.com] using either ST4000DX000 or ST4000DM000 in the model/part number field. It will show unknown for one and a warranty expiration for the other. If the ST4000DX000 works, I think that should be confirmation that it's a 7200rpm.

This method should pose virtually no risk of damage as the strip comes off easily. I damaged quite a few of the tabs and little plastic pieces fully opening the case. But then again, I'm in the 96th percentile for Neanderthal DNA [23andme.com] so perhaps your motor skills are more refined.

xyjup 02-21-2013 03:33 PM

So...I was about to buy the 4TB Western Digital My Book Live "http://www.amazon.com/Personal-Cloud-Storage-Share-Photos/dp/B0064XAIZY/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1361484959&sr=8-6&keywords=my+book+live" configured as RAID (1) to simply have a redundant backup of my data. (The NAS features are not important to me).

There was some discussion of other RAID configurations earlier in the discussion but does anyone know if the Seagate can be used for RAID1? I just want to have a duplicate backup and the seagate is half the price of the WD. (Or if anyone wants to suggest a better backup strategy at a similar price point that is not cloud storage, I'm all ears)

Thanks

Behave 02-24-2013 12:32 AM

Is the "Seagate Dashboard" software worth using?

mike1899 03-01-2013 06:41 AM

has anyone experienced the hard drive running extremely hot?! 63c all the time, and when I use Ashampoo HDD to check out the drive, it says health issue is not very good at 81%. Seek errors and read errors are my main concern and they both rated at 61% to 44%. I think this happens to all Seagate drives, but i want a second opinion.


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