Schneider Level 2 EV Charger, $699 at Home Depot
 

Probably not many EV'ers here but I thought I would post anyway.

I have been checking prices on one for inside my garage. I didn't want to spend $1000 for a GE or AE and I wanted more then the 18amps on the voltec for my Miata conversion. Anyway and noticed the prices have dropped on these. I checked and reviews look good so far, they are made in the USA and Schneider is a very reputable company. I wish it had more then the 18' chord but it will work fine for my garage.

With Schneider Electric's sleek EVlink indoor electric vehicle (EV) charging station, homeowners enjoy faster charging than with a standard (110 Volt) home outlet, a simple, easy-to-use interface with one-touch operation, as well as safety and durability-all from the company that brings you Square D products "The electrical contractor’s brand of choice". Call for your FREE in-home consultation: 1-800-466-3337 enter code 267. Installation services provided by The Home Depot authorized independent professionals.


Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) J1772 compatible and fully tested and interoperable with Chevy Volt, Nissan LEAF, Ford Focus Electric, Toyota Plug-in Prius. For other vehicle interoperability, please consider the EVlink “Enhanced” model
Charges 2-4 times faster than plugging into a standard (110 Volt) home outlet
Sleek, minimalist design works well in any home
Output current: 30 Amp continuous, Input voltage: 240 Volt AC
Auto restart feature ensures your car will continue to charge after a power outage or fault Automatic shut-off at 100% charge
User-friendly, segmented LED display shows if the vehicle is charging and for how long it has charged
Stop button and indicator lights identify if the charger is ready to use or requires attention
Delay button and indicator lights display if charging has been programmed for a later time and length of the delay
Delayed charging allows you to schedule charging for a set period of time to help reduce energy costs and environmental impact by charging during off-peak demand hours
Enclosure 's clean, modern design easily mounts on stud, drywall or masonry wall
18 ft. cable and connecter plugs into any electric vehicle entering the market today
Simple, independently mounted holder provides convenient install flexibility to better organize the cable
Standards Compliance - SAEJ1772, NEC 625, UL 2594, UL 2231-1, UL 2231-2, UL 991, UL 1998, and UL 2251
Charging Access: unrestricted
MFG Brand Name : Schneider Electric
MFG Model # : EV2430WS
MFG Part # : EV2430WS

Homedepot has them now for $699

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5...d=EV2430WS

If you don't want to do Home Depot you can always price match at Lowes or Best Buy.

Kerry

The links don't seem to be working. Also, doing a search for Schneider Electric level 2 doesn't come up with them at that price.

Now, just need a SD on a Tesla... :)

Links not working on ebay check and correct please .

Tell me more about your Miata conversion!

Now you just need to be foolish enough to buy an electric car.

it be worth if if you're commmuting 50 miles a day and if you could get in a Leaf lease deal like from 10/12

Eh, the economics actually can work out. If you drive 30 miles to and from work, which is not unheard of where I'm at in SE Michigan, it would take about 10 years for the cost of gas to offset the cost of the car + charging. Assuming: Electric Focus, $0.08/kwh off peak charging compared to Gas Focus, 30 mpg with $4/gal gas and 15,000 miles a year of driving on both. That's not too unreasonable, especially when you consider all of the gas you didn't consume.

This charger won't even work on a Tesla... they had to go all Apple and make their own charger.

Don't buy the Electric Vehicle charger from Schneider Electric. Buy from an American company.

Buy it from Eaton Corp, that's where I work. If you can afford an electric vehicle then you should be able to afford to buy one of these chargers made by an American company instead of one from Germany.

Sorry, but I don't think you've made a very good case for your company- and I go out of my way to buy American. Is your product better, why is it worth $500 more?

If a German company can produce a $600 product that a US company, Eaton, sells for $1100, Eaton must be doing something wrong. Germany has extremely high costs of doing business in terms of taxes and employee compensation. If they can sell the same product for less after shipping from Europe and import duties, they must really be very efficient and well managed.

I suggest you email company management this deal so that they know how far behind Eaton is in terms of global competitiveness.

Is Eaton a unionised company, by chance? ;)

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You are right, I would hate for those sheiks not to be able to afford another gold Mercedes....

I always buy american made (which I confirmed this one is before I bought it) where ever possible. But double the cost for something that is an "american' company as opposed to a German one is a real stretch, especially on slick deals.

anyone really think the batteries will last 10 years?

I do

source: Ford HEV engineer

edit: Here's some data. [greencarreports.com] According to that data the Electric Focus should be around 80% capacity what it's at today, still enough for that 60 mile commute.

You guys should also check your local electric energy provider for any possible deals. My local provider will actually install you a separately metered level 2 charging station for free and they give you different rates based on the fact that you're charging an electric vehicle.

I tried them a different way, should work now.

As an engineer who builds and test batteries, yes. LiFePO4 cells will last 3000, 5000+ cycles depending on DOD. Add to that the EPA makes them warranty them for 8yrs,100k...

I tried a 62 mile trip to simulate a commute in a Leaf last year when it was 20F outside. I got 60 out of it and a tow back to the dealer. I might try this again since the 2013 Leaf has a slightly extended range and I found a level 2 charger 2 miles from work where I could top off if need be.
This just shows that an electric may not be right for you now, but sometime in the future it could be.

I wonder if the batteries lose efficiency at all like my iPod. When an iPod battery is new, it lasts much longer than it does after 2 years. Does the same degradation occur with car batteries?

edit: never mind, guy above posted that they lose about 80% of their capacity.

They will lose about 20%* of their capacity, making their Max Charge Level 80% of what it is today.

Exactly why I would not buy an EV right now. They are strictly suburban/city vehicles and if that's all you do, OK. I like to take trips and the availability of a charging station is too thin. Not to mention, the wait time for the charging process. Now a hybrid vehicle makes alot more sense. And alot cheaper, too.

I work for Schneider, you realize that there are hundreds of thousands of Schneider employees in North America?
Schneider has bought up dozens of small-medium companies in the past decade and has a massive product line, most of them being 100% American made/serviced products.

This product probably came from old Square D. All American.
Just saying.

Its not the cost of the charger, its the cost of the installation that will kill ya. Cost me $1100 to install a "free" Blink Level 2 charger for my Leaf.

You think the German company isn't?

When it comes to Europe, it isn't unions that separate the US from them. Far stronger probability Eaton is competing with a bigger subsidy.

Wow 10 yr payback! let me run out and buy one now......:lol:

You're probably right about the German unions. However, it turns out both products are made in the USA, so I wonder what the reason is for the price differential?

Must be unions after all

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I don't see where this product is made in the USA. Schneider might have a bike chain company in the USA or air conditioner supplier for cars. Nobody claimed this charger was made in the USA just that it might have come from the USA.

Also, most locales prohibit the home owner from getting a permit for installing one of these so you can't really install it yourself.

Ok, you might be a troll, but in case you aren't, and just didn't know the real facts, let me rant a little.
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It's not just about payback. It's about not having other countries control our economy, it's about not having our soldiers die for nothing, it's about less pollution, preserving this precious planet for our kids, grandkids, etc. (I'm not a tree hugger, but it's a fact that we are really ruining it for future generations)

Where I live, 50% of electricity is generated by a nuclear plant, 30% from hydro, so it really is good for the environment. Heck even Electric Vehicles using electricity generated by a coal plant is much cleaner!

Having a gas station in your garage is also nice!

Do you think flying was cheap when the first commercial flights were available? It has to start somewhere.

Currently, EV owners are usually EV owners because they care about the environment, or they like tech, or like to be early adopters, I can think of many good reasons.

These same people who are spending a fortune on a car like this are the early adopters, the same people who are responsible for the continuous drop in price.

Last but not least, did you know that you will be able to get a 2013 Nissan Leaf in the low 20's if you live in CA (or mid-high 20's anywhere else)?

So, 'lol' as much as you want, but please give this some thought, do some research before making statements like that.
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Don't consider this a personal attack, but an attempt to help share the knowledge about what could be the most important technology for the next several years.

Before you play the nationality card to diss your competition, perhaps wouldn't lose credibility if you had your facts right .. or at least do a little easy research first. Schneider Electric is a global company with plants all over the world. (Like most big companies today). They are NOT headquartered in Germany as your post implies. They have manufacturing plants worldwide, and 25% percent of their employees are in North America. I would tell you where they are headquartered, but I don't want to do the research for you (hint, next to Germany).... Google it at least if you don't know, before publishing bad information that creates a chain of irrelevant conversation. Big companies today are global, American car companies preaching "Buy American" are global. I watched them put the American machine tool companies out of business buying from Germany and Japan because the dollar was at disadvantage. "Buy American" as they moved assembly plants to Mexico, while the Asian automakers built plants is the US. Big companies are global today.. that's the way it is to survive globally. I don't want to hear how the profits come back to the US, because of US tax law.... it don't. My next company car provided to me will be American , a Ford Fusion.... built in Mexico.... probably with parts supplied by Eaton.... in Mexico.

Said it much nicer than I would have but yes totally correct.

Show me the payback on any BMW over an infiniti...or payback of an SUV over a minivan..oh wait minivan has more room, more practical, cheaper per cubic foot..hmmm makes you winder why people buy SUVs 10 to 1 doesn't it?

I want an electric car but range needs to be about 220 miles quoted and at least 150 with heat etc. I drive long distances for work and need that 150 miles ,in. Once I can get that reasonably I'll be electric. Then my tax write off can be 55 cents per mile while it costs me 2-4 cents on electric. Government will pay me even more than the 8 cents per mile that Prius roughly costs.

Also my electric is solar right now from my panels. So mine would effectively be 50% clean..the rest I'd prob have to buy from electric company since I don't think I could generate enough. Hoping that once the central ac goes I'll self install a geothermal heat and ac pump making me completely self reliant...wishful thinking..but I'm hoping.

Ugh great now I have to go get me an electric vehicle. Thx a lot SD. -___-

Ford warranties their all EV batteries for 10 years. If a full plug in doesn't do it for you (It won't for most. Even salesmen will tell you that, the range just isn't there yet) a plug-in hybrid may be prudent if you do lots of in the city driving. A plug in hybrid plus highway miles does not make up for the price difference, and you should stick with just a hybrid.

You can buy a similar Leviton for 100 dollars more, and if I was told correctly by our Ford EV rep, it just uses a 240 volt plug similar to what an electric range would use. It shouldn't cost THAT much for installation. It may be a better way to do it if this is required to be hardwired. If something goes wrong and its out of warranty, its a new charger and a visit from the electrician, where if you use a 240 plug, you can just remove the old charger and then plug the new one in. As someone who has worked in appliances I can tell you, the more futureproof and prepped for failure you can be at the start, the more it saves you in the end.

FWIW, Schneider Electric is a French company.

Dang. This is such a good deal that I'm temped but my Leaf does just fine with an overnight 120V charge.

I work for Schneider too, the last time I checked it was a French company.

My panel is in the garage, and I had a blank in my panel. 6' wire run. $285 for permit, parts, and labor, and it passed inspection with compliments..
Sounds like you needed a new panel and an extensive run of wire.



Oops, was responding to the $1100 comment.

But think of all the Warm Fuzzies you'll get from the not burning the gasoline.:lol: Ecology Religion, gotta love it.
Don't get me wrong I'd take a free EV, but I can't spend that kind of dough on a car that can't pull a boat.

Welll said!!! I agree completely!! It's important to reduce our dependency on foreign oil!

This appears to be a simple 30a 240v box.

Why not install a 30a 240v circuit like for any other large appliance and then make your own cord? The only thing you'd need is to find the proprietary plug to make the connection to the vehicle.

If you do it yourself, cost should be under $100

I'm not the one who first said the EV charger was from Germany. But since its French and not German, that changes everything.

I live in America and I work for Schneider...

Yes a dedicated electric vehicle is best for urban/suburban dwellers - but there are a lot of those including myself. An estimated 80% of my family driving is within the daily milage of a vehicle such as the Leaf. And like many famlies, we already have a gasoline vehicle. So where a dedicated electric works best in my opinion, is in combination with a gasoline vehicle. We would use the electric for the majority of driving, and the gasoline vehicle on occasions where a longer trip is needed.

Also for people that are put-off about owning an electric only vehicle because it will not do well on a vacation - consider renting a car for the vacation. I do that anyway because our gasoline vehicles aren't in the greatest shape. So we rent a car and put loads of milage on it with no worries.

I also think straight up electric will be better than hybrid in terms of cost of ownership. You get rid of many systems and areas of maintanance/failure when you get rid of the hybrid internal combustion engine and ansillaries. An all electric vehicle would totally work right now for the majority of my family driving needs - I am just waiting a few years until they come further down in price.

SE has about 130,000 employees many of which are Americans and work here. Pick on value as large companies don't make everything in one country anymore.

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I'd rather take the $500 that I could save buying the German product (which provides jobs to Americans, when you think about how the product arrives at your house) and spend it on other things that give Americans jobs. You could take that $500 and go to a nice dinner. This supports a small business, server, busboy, and chef. With the rest of the $350, I could buy a used kayak, made in the US. That just provided more jobs in the factory and from the shipping company that shipped it to me.

I don't think electric is really as green as everyone thinks.
Where do you guys think electricity comes from?

If you live in certain states you get a free charger
 

http://www.theevproject.com/overview.php

Sorry - Michigan is not included

Please keep the conversation about the deal. Thanks :)

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They own Square D and APC. (Which speaks of the quality of the item).

Nothing wrong with Schneider Electric, and that's a decent price. question I have is if you can get the Tax writeoff on this?


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Agree. Me was 400 for putting in a outlet 1 foot from electrical box

For the record SE is a French company (not German).

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Yes this would qualify for a tax write off.

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Is there something inside the box or this is just an expensive extension cord.
Also the installation shouldn't cost you more than having an electric dry installed.

Was wandering the same thing is there any brain inside the box or power filter conditioner.
I'm surprise that Monster Cable is not in this business.

These things convert hight levels of AC to high levels of DC, so yes there is plenty in the box.

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Check with your local permit office first. Mine refuses to issue permits for 30a 240v circuits to home owners. :shake: :(

this is misleading - while most communities will not let an unlicensed contractor work on your home, some will exempt this prohibition when a homeowner is doing their own work.

they want to protect you from unlicensed (unqualified) contractors, but they don't want necessarily to protect you from yourself.

Check with your local building department before assuming anything.

well, that was certainly a well articulated argument...

natural gas, wind, hydro, and yes, coal, and yes, nuclear.

But, i think the point is equally about making us less dependent our energy sources coming from sources in regions that we must declare war on to keep the product flowing.

It's not just a plug/cable, there is a computer involved, which communicates with the car in order to supply the right amount of electricity, while also making this a safe experience. Search for the SAE J1772 standard if you want to know more, or google 'OpenEVSE' to see what the open-source version looks like.

BTW, the charger is actually in the car, officially, this is called an 'EVSE' or Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment'.

I stand almost correct over priced for 2 fuse a small circuit board and 1 plug.
almost sure this cost less than $ 100 to produce ( apple logo is missing).
They( electrician installer and charger vendor) base their pricing on the fact that if you can afford an EV car you car pay overpriced hardware and installation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVTXocm8tMA

Actually, there is a shortage of certain components (such as the J1772 connector/cable), which inflated the prices significantly :/

Basic rules apply when dealing with electricians. Get the price beforehand and negotiate.

Also, if you are capable and DIY inclined, it is possible to install it yourself. Check first if you will get a permit. Keep in mind that electrical work can be dangerous, so not worth trying if you are not handy with these sorts of projects.

Interesting.

I have to ask why you'd even bother getting a permit. This is am internal modification that will never be seen.

If you sell the place, the inspector won't know what was originally there and what was added. As long as it's not a huge change.

Oh, it helps that my brother is a licensed electrician. :bounce:

If the charger is in the car then the first part of your statement doesn't make sense. A device that plugs into a 30a circuit that only draws 5a will still draw 5a and not be damaged.

I'll have to look into the communication standard further. Initial impression doesn't make sense

Good point.

The people at my local permit office are not very nice. The last time I had electrical work inspected the guy was extremely rude. I suspect they are ex-electricians who are generally displeased when home owners take away business from the "brotherhood". I could be mistaken though. They might actually be genuinely concerned about my safety... NOT.

Get a hybrid! Keep the power plant in the car. The power you get from your electric company is only about 30% efficient. So no, that's not green. Their power is lost all along the way from generation itself to distribution over the lines until it reaches your batteries. When you're generating the electricity right in the car, from the small engine and braking actions, there is very little lost as the power goes straight into your batteries. Plus with hybrids, you don't have to worry about being stranded.

There are also a lot of parking garages around my way that will provide free charging and/or cheaper or free parking for electric vehicles which definitely helps the ROI argument

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It costs us $5-10 more per month to get all of our power from wind and solar and transmission is not the a large loss. Gas refining and distribution requires a lot of energy that people neglect when they say gasoline is more efficient then power from the outlet. In some cases it actually takes more energy doing the refining and distribution then you get from the gallon of gasoline. For our Volt we put 60-80 miles a day on domestically produced electricity and only use 9 gallons every month or two where our Prius required a 9 gallon fill up every week. If America is going to stop importing oil from the rest of the world then plug-ins have to be part of the picture.

Electric cars are, unfortunately, still a joke. The only affordable one is $21000, only has a 60 mile range and a sparse interior.

If you really want to go alternative, natural gas cars are available. And I believe the Civic NG model gets like 450 miles per fill.

Plugins are kind of silly other than a couple going in the 50-60K range. Then, you get something pretty nice. But not 60K nice.

With great hybrids like the Camry, there is just no point. You never get stranded and you get 40-50 MPG in a large comfortable car for about 25-30K. Or you can buy an econo box that burns much less gas and use it until the electric cars become more practical.

If you are convinced it will save the environment,

Charging an EV is a pretty complex process (at least in commercial solutions, not the DIY kits). Companies such as Toyota, Ford, etc, have to make this system fool-proof, so that stupid mistakes (such as driving away with the car plugged in, or screwing with the plug while it's raining cats & dogs) don't get anyone hurt.

The EVSE supplies/regulates the power flowing to the charger, and there is a lot of data exchanging going on as part of this process. The Schneider Level 2 EV 'charger' is really just an EVSE. It's not a bad deal, just make sure you look up the specs of the charger built into the car before going with this unit.

If you have any basic electronics skills, you can build an EVSE yourself for around $450 or so, using the open-evse platform [google.com], but don't be surprised at the price of the Leviton J1772 connector+cable kit [leviton.com].


Unfortunately, your statement is a joke. Do you think the first planes flew thousands of miles and could carry 100's of people? It has to start somewhere. That said, I do 42 miles a day with my Prius Plug-in, and average 100mpg during fall season temps (can't wait to see summer temps), 75mpg when dealing with 120" of snow and cold weather. The Chevy Volt is another plug-in hybrid where many owners only gas up every 1,000 miles or so, only because it's required to keep the gas in the tank from going stale. You have the right to your opinion, but personally, am tired of seeing this nonsense. I can't figure out why you bother wasting your time posting in threads like these, unless you have shares in an oil company.

How about you contribute instead, and share your experience/knowledge about this charger or EV charging in general, but I am guessing that experience is 0.

The batteries will last forever, just with less capacity. My LEAF should have 70% left which will still be plenty after 10 years.

I could no longer function without our EV. Once you make the switch you know... The only joke is on you POS draining the country's resources and sending everything abroad. Fukkk Russia, Exxon, Arabs, and even Canadians. I run on domestic coal and nuke energy, and pretty soon on solar. Our Sienna gets fired up once every six months.

i'll believe it after 10 years of empirical evidence

riiiight...and who's making all that electricity charging your car? I doubt you've gone 100% solar.

Then you need to fine-tune your basic Google skills, since the Toyota Prius has been on the market since 1997, which is more than 10 years. Many people who currently drive a Prius older than 2003 are still on their original battery, and still get the same MPG numbers. Do some research on how car companies are managing these batteries (it's truly impressive if you are interested in technology), and don't forget the long warranties car companies are offering on these batteries.

50% nuclear, 30% hydro in my area, and even if it is coal, it is STILL cleaner/better/more efficient than a regular ICE.

You have 0 experience with electric vehicles, you have 0 experience with charging electric vehicles, and 0 experience with the product in question. I'm more than willing to help answer any questions you might have about the context of this thread (electric vehicle charging in case you missed it), but otherwise, let's focus on the deal in question.

Old tech batteries lasted 10+ years in the Prii. That's good evidence. Lithiums don't just die, they lose capacity. It may be more or less but they don't die. What's in the Nissan gets killed by high temperatures (think Arizona) but there are 2-3 year old LEAFs out there right now that have zero capacity loss (including a Japanese dude with 110K miles on it)

Is this at a prorate or a replacement? Does the EPA say at what point they have to be replaced IE, if they're 80% of new, 50% of new, etc?

Unless there are some specifics in there, I can see dealers / manufactures fighting any kind of warranty claim on the batteries. In some cases, the cells are 25% of the cost of the vehicle.


What was the breakdown on the install? As someone in the electrical field, that seems ridiculous, unless they had to pull a TON of wire through walls, but even then, that seems outrageous.


Again, like above, what is the breakdown on this? Even at retail, an "expensive" Square-D 2P30A breaker is $15, 3' of 12-2 MC is ~$1.50. Less than $20 in parts at retail prices. Electricians will run $50-80\hour depending on what kind of truck they drive. To mount that charger 1ft away, that should be done in less than half an hour if you are an actual electrician. Most electricians charge a minimum of 1 hour, so;

$20 parts + $80 labor = $100. Where is the other $300 coming from?


Incorrect. The only chargers that are actual outboard, AC to DC converting chargers are Type 4's and as of right now, those cost more than the EV cars themselves. Type 1, 2 and 3 chargers send straight 120v or 240v AC to the car and the car's onboard charger handles the charging.

That said, they L2 chargers are a little more sophisticated than just sending straight voltage to the car. There are control circuits in place to start and stop the charger, as well shut off the supply when the onboard charger tells it to.


No, not forever. There will be a point when the battery simply will no longer hold any charge, or when it becomes to a point when the capacity becomes such that it just isn't feasible to drive the car, at which point the cells will have to be replaced. Your driving conditions will determine the battery life. On a car that is good for 100 miles, if you only drive it 15 miles before charging again, your cells will last longer than someone who drives it 100 miles before charging. The further you discharge, the shorter the life cycle. This goes for pretty much every rechargeable battery chemistry.

i didn't read any of your lame posts...just responded to your reply to my comment.
PLEASE don't get your PANTIES in a bunch. :lol:

anyway, your house is probably full of junk from China, so get off your (imported) high horse

Don't forget to add in the price of the charger and installation to your calculation and remember that if you move within 10 years, you either have to get another charger (and installation) or have this charger removed and re-installed at your next house (assuming it still works).

I was going to go with a plug in EVSE instead of the Schneider so that I can just have an electrician wire up a 15-50R for me instead of installing everything.

This also lets me take the EVSE on the go if I ever needed to. Does this sound about right? Or is the cost of installing this EVSE and the cost of adding a 15-50R around the same?

Unfortunately my circuit breaker is on the opposite side of the house from where the garage is, so seems like it will be a pricey installation.

The sun, wind, water, nuclear, gas, coal. But even with coal, you simply put technology behind and it will be much for efficient and less pollutant than any car (otherwise, why don't you just buy a smaller generator and generate your own electricity?). Also, as usage of electricity increase, economy of scale will make renewable source cheaper while increasing profitability.

Without getting into the flame wars - these were built in North Carolina.

Showing sold out online....do they sell these in-store? Just brought home a new Leaf and was hoping to find a deal on an EVSE.