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Rebound 02-16-2013 10:25 AM

Elizabeth Warren Stumps all the Federal Bank Supervisors
 
Elizabeth Wareen took the Federal bank regulators to task with a simple question that none of them could answer: "Can you give me an example of an enforcement action against a major bank that went to trial?"

She then scolded them, saying that federal prosecutors and DA's file cases against ordinary Americans every day, and Too Big to Fail has become Too Big to Prosecute.

Pretty good for her first month on the job!
http://www.upworthy.com/elizabeth...ch-of-bank

124nic8 02-16-2013 10:49 AM

A case might be made that getting the economy back on track was more important than striking fear into the hearts of bankers when the economy was on the ropes.

But years later, when all they have is what appears to be selective prosecution against S&P, they make it look like it's hands off due to political consideration$.

amazon-jim 02-16-2013 11:56 AM

I am no fan of EW.

However, she is dead on in this situation. Bank officials have NEVER paid for their lies and fraud.

StarNova 02-16-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by amazon-jim (Post 57624920)
I am no fan of EW.

However, she is dead on in this situation. Bank officials have NEVER paid for their lies and fraud.

Agreed. But then it's one thing to point your finger and give them a good talking too....vs. actual prosecution for crimes. When there are more white collar criminals in jail, EW gets my respect. For now, she's just talking and finger waving.

smegalicious 02-16-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by StarNova (Post 57625282)
Agreed. But then it's one thing to point your finger and give them a good talking too....vs. actual prosecution for crimes. When there are more white collar criminals in jail, EW gets my respect. For now, she's just talking and finger waving.

In this particular context, however, what else can she or any other member of Congress do? While she is a lawyer, she's not currently a prosecutor with the power to bring such criminal charges.

TRNT 02-16-2013 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebound (Post 57623448)
Elizabeth Wareen took the Federal bank regulators to task with a simple question that none of them could answer: "Can you give me an example of an enforcement action against a major bank that went to trial?"

She then scolded them, saying that federal prosecutors and DA's file cases against ordinary Americans every day, and Too Big to Fail has become Too Big to Prosecute.

Pretty good for her first month on the job!
http://www.upworthy.com/elizabeth...ch-of-bank

She is just faaaaaaaaantastic! I hope she stays pure.

StarNova 02-16-2013 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by smegalicious (Post 57625402)
In this particular context, however, what else can she or any other member of Congress do? While she is a lawyer, she's not currently a prosecutor with the power to bring such criminal charges.

Exactly, she's pretty much powerless. Unless the president gives her power with executive order, she can bring bankers before her to testify but there are no real changes. No prosecutions. It's Lehman brothers vs. Goldman. Whose got the political favor in Washington? Right now, nobody touches the bankers and probably won't in the future. She's putting on a show that won't have any real impact in the financial sector.

Congress can enact laws that would have a serious impact but they choose to turn a blind eye

Halfspin 02-16-2013 12:53 PM

Powerless? I'd hardly describe her as powerless. Why hasn't she introduced legislation that actually creates regulations? Or maybe hold the president's feet to the fire? She's all talk and no action. When she actually tries to do something I'll be impressed. Until then, this is smoke and mirrors.

124nic8 02-16-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfspin (Post 57625606)
Powerless? I'd hardly describe her as powerless. Why hasn't she introduced legislation that actually creates regulations? Or maybe hold the president's feet to the fire? She's all talk and no action. When she actually tries to do something I'll be impressed. Until then, this is smoke and mirrors.

Holding hearings is a common way to build support, both public and Congressional, for action.

She can't just mandate changes by herself.

Rebound 02-16-2013 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfspin (Post 57625606)
Powerless? I'd hardly describe her as powerless. Why hasn't she introduced legislation that actually creates regulations? Or maybe hold the president's feet to the fire? She's all talk and no action. When she actually tries to do something I'll be impressed. Until then, this is smoke and mirrors.

She's holding their feet to the fire, and put them and the banking industry on notice. It's likely that there will be prosecutions now.

paradoxum 02-16-2013 03:56 PM

I'm happy to see this. The question is will she cave to the leadership in her own party who tell her to stand down? If she doesn't try to bite anybody it's all just barking, which makes people feel warm and fuzzy but gets nowhere. You think she'll put old Barney up on the stand?

jaaxxn 02-16-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebound (Post 57623448)
Elizabeth Wareen took the Federal bank regulators to task with a simple question that none of them could answer: "Can you give me an example of an enforcement action against a major bank that went to trial?"

She then scolded them, saying that federal prosecutors and DA's file cases against ordinary Americans every day, and Too Big to Fail has become Too Big to Prosecute.

Pretty good for her first month on the job!
http://www.upworthy.com/elizabeth...ch-of-bank

Great work Elizabeth. She had those Federal bank regulators squirming just like a republican worried about running against a tea party hack.

OhNoItsDEVO 02-16-2013 04:04 PM

Go get em tiger.

Halfspin 02-16-2013 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 124nic8 (Post 57625992)
Holding hearings is a common way to build support, both public and Congressional, for action.

She can't just mandate changes by herself.

Sure, but how can one tell the difference between posturing and building support? I believe the only way is by following up with action. In her position that action looks like sponsoring a bill or twisting Obama's arm.

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Originally Posted by Rebound (Post 57626018)
She's holding their feet to the fire, and put them and the banking industry on notice. It's likely that there will be prosecutions now.

Besides getting Roger Clemens to commit perjury, do congressional hearings really 'accomplish' anything? Keep in mind that I really wish they did.

124nic8 02-16-2013 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfspin (Post 57631290)
Sure, but how can one tell the difference between posturing and building support? I believe the only way is by following up with action. In her position that action looks like sponsoring a bill or twisting Obama's arm.

Sure, but she has build support for it first.

Why do you think she won't follow through?

Halfspin 02-17-2013 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 124nic8 (Post 57632194)
Sure, but she has build support for it first.
Why do you think she won't follow through?

Because I was responding to the OP that seems ecstatic that she flayed them with words.
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Originally Posted by Rebound (Post 57623448)
She then scolded them, ...
Pretty good for her first month on the job!

The majority of this type of hearing is posturing and never amounts to anything. I have no reason to think that Elizabeth Warren is any different so I'm withholding judgement until she follows it up. Until then she's just another politician.

andyfico 02-17-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfspin (Post 57636280)
Because I was responding to the OP that seems ecstatic that she flayed them with words.

The majority of this type of hearing is posturing and never amounts to anything. I have no reason to think that Elizabeth Warren is any different so I'm withholding judgement until she follows it up. Until then she's just another politician.

Exactly. It's best not to get your hopes up with politicians. Look at Obama. People thought he was going to change the world (and Washington). Then he turned out to be just another politician.

vaultaddict 02-17-2013 10:49 AM

Best of luck to her.

Xygonn 02-17-2013 12:33 PM

"I've been chewed out before."

-Lt. Aldo Raine

Danman114 02-18-2013 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by andyfico (Post 57640450)
Exactly. It's best not to get your hopes up with politicians. Look at Obama. People thought he was going to change the world (and Washington). Then he turned out to be just another politician.

For those wondering, she is currently not a co-sponsor of Rand Paul's Audit the Fed 2013 bill [loc.gov].

While she's talked tough against big banks, when it comes to the biggest, she's remarkably timid.

andyfico 02-18-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Danman114 (Post 57655714)
For those wondering, she is currently not a co-sponsor of Rand Paul's Audit the Fed 2013 bill [loc.gov].

While she's talked tough against big banks, when it comes to the biggest, she's remarkably timid.

Disappointing but now exactly surprising.

msummers80 02-18-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Danman114 (Post 57655714)
For those wondering, she is currently not a co-sponsor of Rand Paul's Audit the Fed 2013 bill [loc.gov].

While she's talked tough against big banks, when it comes to the biggest, she's remarkably timid.

That's what I've been wondering. Ron and now Rand have been chasing these crooks for a while. There is a lot more to be done pertaining to these Fed governors than stumping them over the behavior of private banks. Hopefully she will continue down this rabbit hole.

barnz008 02-18-2013 10:01 AM

If one goes, they all go. Can you imagine what just Cozine has on all of these of the farkers; Ben, Timmy, Barry, Jamie, etc?

*Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world.*

What I find hilarious is that they've managed to spin the Plutocracy and fraud to "Wall Street" as though it's some stock brokers or financial firms that are to blame.

124nic8 02-18-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by barnz008 (Post 57659838)
If one goes, they all go. Can you imagine what just Cozine has on all of these of the farkers; Ben, Timmy, Barry, Jamie, etc?

*Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world.*

What I find hilarious is that they've managed to spin the Plutocracy and fraud to "Wall Street" as though it's some stock brokers or financial firms that are to blame.

Ever heard of CDOs? They are in bed together.

barnz008 02-18-2013 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 124nic8 (Post 57660688)
Ever heard of CDOs? They are in bed together.

No doubt. But it's not "Wall Street" that is at the epicenter of the klepotocracy, it's like 5 hours south in DC. And it's not the lack of "regulation," either. It's a fundamental break down in the Rule of Law. TBTF? No, Too Big To Save.

124nic8 02-18-2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by barnz008 (Post 57664068)
No doubt. But it's not "Wall Street" that is at the epicenter of the klepotocracy, it's like 5 hours south in DC.

I don't know what this ^ means.

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And it's not the lack of "regulation," either.
Regulation could have prevented naked CDS.

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It's a fundamental break down in the Rule of Law. TBTF? No, Too Big To Save.
Maybe now, but when the economy was collapsing, that's not the time to destroy all the banks.

paperboy05 02-18-2013 01:23 PM

:lol: Elizabeth Warren...

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013...magoguery/
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The issue is whether regulators achieve regulatory goals, not whether there is a show trial. Lost in the hurrahs for Warren was the reasonableness of the regulators’ answers (via HuffPo):

“We do not have to bring people to trial,” Thomas Curry, head of the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, assured Warren, declaring that his agency had secured a large number of “consent orders,” or settlements.

“I appreciate that you say you don’t have to bring them to trial. My question is, when did you bring them to trial?” she responded.

“We have not had to do it as a practical matter to achieve our supervisory goals,” Curry offered.

:whistlin:
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But again, what would be the purpose of taking to trial an investment bank or brokerage firm as an entity which already consented to relief the government deemed sufficient to achieve the regulatory purpose?

When it comes to criminal charges, there is a reason the government focuses on individuals rather than entities. The mere bringing of criminal charges against an entity often is enough to put the entity out of business. Are our regulators there to strengthen the system, or obtain a headline which ends up damaging the system?

Elizabeth Warren understands all this. Whatever she is, she’s no dummy.

But she saw an opportunity to score a cheap demagogic point by asking an irrelevant question to witnesses who did not anticipate the question because the question is of importance only to politicians seeking headlines, not to people truly interested in financial reform and enforcement.
Warren busted out a great red herring talking point and her followers ate it up.
http://www.politico.com/morningmoney/
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One top exec emailed: “While Senator Warren had every right to ask pointed questions at today’s Senate Banking Committee hearing, her claim that ‘nobody believes’ that bank books are honest is just plain wrong. As Federal Reserve Governor Tarullo explained in response to her question, the low valuations are more likely due to continued economic uncertainty and concerns on the part of investors regarding the impact on banks' profitability due to the hundreds of new regulations, higher levels of required capital, and significant activity restrictions.

“It is for these very important reasons that the financial services industry has urged regulators to get implementation right — that is, to carry out the instructions and intentions of Congress in a manner that produces a safe and sound, competitive and innovative industry. That's what today's hearing was supposed to be about — not some shameless grandstanding. Perhaps someone ought to remind the Senator that the campaign is over and she should act accordingly if she wants to be taken seriously.”

barnz008 02-18-2013 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 124nic8 (Post 57664224)
I don't know what this ^ means.

Meaning it's the morons in DC and the power structure that will not, by any means, prosecute the banks because that would show the emporor has no clothes.

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Regulation could have prevented naked CDS.
You cannot be serious.

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Maybe now, but when the economy was collapsing, that's not the time to destroy all the banks.
Right, because the best time to destroy all the banks is when? If you say never, then I think you're onto something because that would me one thing: the government would have to give up power. Ain't gonna happen.

124nic8 02-18-2013 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by barnz008 (Post 57666314)
Meaning it's the morons in DC and the power structure that will not, by any means, prosecute the banks because that would show the emporor has no clothes.

You mean cause they don't have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that laws were broken?

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You cannot be serious.
You know that is was CFTMA2000 which permitted naked CDS, right?

Otherwise they would have been regulated as the insurance that they were.

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Right, because the best time to destroy all the banks is when?
Now that the economy is not teetering on the brink.

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If you say never, then I think you're onto something because that would me one thing: the government would have to give up power. Ain't gonna happen.
No, the government would have to take back power from their paymasters.

andyfico 02-19-2013 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by paperboy05 (Post 57665022)
:lol: Elizabeth Warren...

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013...magoguery/


:whistlin:


Warren busted out a great red herring talking point and her followers ate it up.
http://www.politico.com/morningmoney/

Supporters of this high cheek bone woman probably feel quite silly right about now.

burninator 02-19-2013 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 124nic8 (Post 57664224)
I don't know what this ^ means.



Regulation could have prevented naked CDS.



Maybe now, but when the economy was collapsing, that's not the time to destroy all the banks.

I couldn't agree with this more.

However, what we actually did was to tie our economy and the broader society even more closely to the banks. We doubled down on the original problem.

barnz008 02-19-2013 08:31 PM

Y'all are insane. There were something like seven agencies overseeing the CDO writing and what did that do? Let's make sure we regulate the fraud so the fraud is good enough for the government.

No need to destroy the banks. They're perfectly capable of doing that themselves. Destroy Fascism? Sure, Obama can go back to being a corrupt, chain-smoking Chicago thug and his wife can attend funerals all day long.

124nic8 02-19-2013 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by burninator (Post 57695658)
I couldn't agree with this more.

However, what we actually did was to tie our economy and the broader society even more closely to the banks. We doubled down on the original problem.

Well, there is Dodd-Frank, but that was gutted by Republicans (and some NY Dems).

124nic8 02-19-2013 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by barnz008 (Post 57698734)
There were something like seven agencies overseeing the CDO writing and what did that do?

Really? Which ones monitored the ratings agencies that enabled the banks to sell AAA rated crap?

And none were regulating CDS cause CFTMA2000 made them off limits.

burninator 02-20-2013 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 124nic8 (Post 57698794)
Well, there is Dodd-Frank, but that was gutted by Republicans (and some NY Dems).

Some would say Dodd-Frank never really had any teeth to begin with. And let's keep some perspective, it was gutted by some, yes. The rest never intended for it to be enforced to begin with.

highfloydelity 02-20-2013 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Danman114 (Post 57655714)
For those wondering, she is currently not a co-sponsor of Rand Paul's Audit the Fed 2013 bill [loc.gov].

While she's talked tough against big banks, when it comes to the biggest, she's remarkably timid.

The link is busted.

Danman114 02-20-2013 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by highfloydelity (Post 57702910)
The link is busted.

Looks like they items you search for are only valid for 30 minutes as links.

If you search for "Federal Reserve Transparency Act" you should find the bill and its co-sponsors.

highfloydelity 02-20-2013 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Danman114 (Post 57703546)
Looks like they items you search for are only valid for 30 minutes as links.

If you search for "Federal Reserve Transparency Act" you should find the bill and its co-sponsors.

Thanks. Here's a Wiki link if anybody wants it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fede...arency_Act. I didn't realize it was almost 4 years old already.

124nic8 02-20-2013 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by burninator (Post 57701866)
Some would say Dodd-Frank never really had any teeth to begin with. And let's keep some perspective, it was gutted by some, yes. The rest never intended for it to be enforced to begin with.

Everyone else? You got evidence for that?

Danman114 02-20-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by highfloydelity (Post 57707822)
Thanks. Here's a Wiki link if anybody wants it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fede...arency_Act. I didn't realize it was almost 4 years old already.

It gets reintroduced each year. That's probably the original, and it also looks like it's mostly the House version.

The one I had linked was for the recent 2013 version, co-sponsored by about 20 other Senators with Rand Paul as the primary. I'm not sure if there is anything similar in the House now the the good doctor is gone.

jonsmith74 02-20-2013 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TRNT (Post 57625494)
She is just faaaaaaaaantastic! I hope she stays pure.

Stays pure? Uh, she's already sullied herself, you know, with the whole advocating for an insurance company to gain immunity from asbestos-related lawsuits. But, hey, she's pure as snow. :sleepy:


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