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iconian 02-21-2013 01:26 PM

24" Dell U2410 UltraSharp IPS 1920x1200 LCD Monitor + 3-Year Advanced Replacement Warranty $380 + Free Shipping
 
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Specs
  • Resolution: 1920x1200
  • Panel Type: IPS
  • Response Time 6ms
  • Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
  • Viewing Angles: 178 H & 178 V
  • Inputs:
    • 1x DisplayPort
    • 1x DVI
    • 1x HDMI
    • 1x VGA
    • 1x Component
    • 4x USB
    • 3-Year Warranty

SP33DFR34K 02-21-2013 01:27 PM

24" Dell U2410 UltraSharp IPS 1920x1200 LCD Monitor + 3-Year Advanced Replacement Warranty $380 + Free Shipping
 
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Dell Home has 24" Dell U2410 UltraSharp IPS 1920x1200 LCD Monitor + 3-Year Advanced Replacement Warranty for $549 - $169.01 off with coupon code MNXN0MQWV?WW2L = $379.99. Shipping is free. Thanks iconian

Specs
  • Resolution: 1920x1200
  • Panel Type: IPS
  • Response Time 6ms
  • Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
  • Viewing Angles: 178 H & 178 V
  • Inputs:
    • 1x DisplayPort
    • 1x DVI
    • 1x HDMI
    • 1x VGA
    • 1x Component
    • 4x USB
    • 3-Year Warranty

cwise73 02-21-2013 02:14 PM

Nice Deal! Thanks!!

mattspalace 02-21-2013 02:22 PM

Great monitor. Very happy with mine.

rdubbs 02-21-2013 02:23 PM

Mine's bigger ;)

cak165 02-21-2013 02:25 PM

Has anyone needed to use the warranty on this monitor?

cohplacebo 02-21-2013 02:26 PM

Can anyone comment on the anti-glare coating and glow issues when directly facing the monitor? I am a video / photo editor and am concerned with eye strain. Also a gamer, any ghosting issues?

krazyatom 02-21-2013 02:30 PM

i wish i can buy 3 of these for eyefinity... just my dream list lol

mattspalace 02-21-2013 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cohplacebo (Post 57741762)
Can anyone comment on the anti-glare coating and glow issues when directly facing the monitor? I am a video / photo editor and am concerned with eye strain. Also a gamer, any ghosting issues?

I've played 400+ hours of Borderlands 2 on this monitor and have never experienced any ghosting or eye strain. Might be a bit of sparkle effect on the anti-glare coating, but you would really have to be looking for it to see it.

avatar13 02-21-2013 02:35 PM

Wow this is one of the lowest i've seen for this model, been on the fence between this, the U2412 and the 27" Auria at Microcenter. Decisions decisions...

Johnp 02-21-2013 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avatar13 (Post 57741948)
Wow this is one of the lowest i've seen for this model, been on the fence between this, the U2412 and the 27" Auria at Microcenter. Decisions decisions...

The Auria looked like crap to me. I bought it and returned it within a week. The black performance was just terrible compared to my Dell U2311H.

djryval 02-21-2013 02:37 PM

I went ahead and bought one. Been using a 10 year old VS that takes an hour to turn on any more, this will be a nice change.

avatar13 02-21-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnp (Post 57741986)
The Auria looked like crap to me. I bought it and returned it within a week. The black performance was just terrible compared to my Dell U2311H.

Oh really? I'm surprised I have heard nothing but good things. The quality overall seems something to be desired so the understanding was we were buying it for the panel. I've messed with it at my MC, the buttons are squishy feeling and the stand sucks but the display looked good though I'd have to see it calibrated. I may just forgo the extra 3 inches and buy the Dell since you get the panel, ergonomics, and 3 year support.

MrFrogger 02-21-2013 02:47 PM

How does the HP 2511x Compare? (its 189 currently at frys)

mryanbrown 02-21-2013 02:47 PM

Wow, expensive 24" What's so special about this besides a nice stand?

gigalevu 02-21-2013 02:49 PM

Get one of the Korean 27" with better resolution for less. Most have free return if defective. Ebay.

sumthin_gud 02-21-2013 02:51 PM

120hz ips 1080P thats all i want. that's it! THAT'S ALL WHY IS IT SO HARD

Quote:

Originally Posted by gigalevu (Post 57742328)
Get one of the Korean 27" with better resolution for less. Most have free return if defective. Ebay.

what are the chances i get one from north korea?:lol:

Follywood 02-21-2013 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdubbs (Post 57741704)
Mine's bigger ;)

That's not what she said.

wuss 02-21-2013 03:01 PM

The Ultrasharp U-series are ( i believe ) all rated at 97-98% of adobe RGB color gamut. Basically, these are the type of monitors you have to have if you work in graphic design or photogrpahy/video. If you don't know that is, you don't need it.

Bad_CRC 02-21-2013 03:07 PM

I'm posting this from 1 of 3 U2410's that I own. I've got them setup on an ATI Infinity setup. I've spent hours on it doing work, playing PC games, and have my Xbox 360 setup on it for BLOPS2. I've had zero complaints about ghosting, input lag, backlight issues, or color. Originally had a 20" NEC IPS display which was great, but had a glossy screen. Personally, I much prefer the anti-glare coating to the glossy screen. In fact, I only notice the anti-glare coating (barely) when the screen is bright white and if make an effort to focus on it.

I'd easily buy another if I had a need for it and have considered getting a U2711 or U3011, but just can't justify the $$$ since the U2410 does it all just as well, except on a smaller panel.

superstition 02-21-2013 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wuss (Post 57742596)
The Ultrasharp U-series are ( i believe ) all rated at 97-98% of adobe RGB color gamut. Basically, these are the type of monitors you have to have if you work in graphic design or photogrpahy/video. If you don't know that is, you don't need it.

That's debatable. We aren't still using EGA or VGA monitors. We aren't still using CRT.

The small sRGB space is likely going to be replaced by AdobeRGB in the future, especially since GB-LED backlights have been developed that support it.

The human eye can see a lot more than even AdobeRGB, so it's really time for content makers (like game studios) to move on. Besides, the other thing that was standing in the way of wide-gamut display adoption has been removed. That was poor support for sRGB. Recent panels have effective sRGB emulation modes.

G25L 02-21-2013 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cak165 (Post 57741738)
Has anyone needed to use the warranty on this monitor?

Yea, mine developed some sorta water puddle looking smudge on right side of the monitor after about 2.5 years of use. I called them in the afternoon to report it and the next morning already had a replacement monitor sitting on my porch.

superstition 02-21-2013 03:11 PM

The one drawback of this panel is that it doesn't offer a great contrast ratio. If black level is your highest priority, then you will want A-MVA. IPS doesn't really compete in black level, although some recent panels have managed to get around 1000:1.

A-MVA panels are currently limited to sRGB and 1080p, however. Dell offers one in 24", but it has a high-gloss glass surface.

Halewafa 02-21-2013 03:17 PM

Hmmm... been wanting to get this monitor for some time now. I have a 24" Westinghouse 1920x1200 that I've been using for the past 6 years, but it's starting to act funny. After taxes and fees to california, total comes out to $418, might wait to see if I can find it somewhere that doesn't charge tax

lobsang 02-21-2013 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cak165 (Post 57741738)
Has anyone needed to use the warranty on this monitor?

I've had to use warranty on my similar, but non-ultrasharp (TN, not IPS) monitor. Let me tell you, there's a reason they coined the term "Dell Hell". I logged everything I did when talking to them. All in all, I spoke with over 20 different people at Dell and spent (adding all the time) over 24 hours on the phone with them. Three monitors later (one broken, another two the wrong model) I managed to fix my problem, but what a pain it was...

-- Lob

osideplayer 02-21-2013 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lobsang (Post 57743182)
I've had to use warranty on my similar, but non-ultrasharp (TN, not IPS) monitor. Let me tell you, there's a reason they coined the term "Dell Hell". I logged everything I did when talking to them. All in all, I spoke with over 20 different people at Dell and spent (adding all the time) over 24 hours on the phone with them. Three monitors later (one broken, another two the wrong model) I managed to fix my problem, but what a pain it was...

-- Lob

I agree dell sucks when it comes to warranty

nsfw 02-21-2013 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gigalevu (Post 57742328)
Get one of the Korean 27" with better resolution for less. Most have free return if defective. Ebay.


have you priced sending a 27" monitor to Korea? what happens is they will offer you $50 to keep the dead pixel display. They will raise the refund to more until you say yes. Oh, they will want pictures too.
of course if the whole thing is dead then thats another issue.

koven 02-21-2013 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osideplayer (Post 57743340)
I agree dell sucks when it comes to warranty

i bought a U2710 a few months ago which arrived with a dead pixel, i asked for a replacement unit which they shipped out immediately. they sent me a return label for the original but i never got around to sending it back and have not heard from dell since, so now i have 2x U2710 for $750.

i love dell warranty

Wooty 02-21-2013 03:58 PM

http://www.frys.com/product/6406652

apple cinema's aren't too much more: $699

zerorhythm 02-21-2013 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koven (Post 57743594)
i bought a U2710 a few months ago which arrived with a dead pixel, i asked for a replacement unit which they shipped out immediately. they sent me a return label for the original but i never got around to sending it back and have not heard from dell since, so now i have 2x U2710 for $750.

i love dell warranty


I think they will bill you if you don't return the defective unit within a time frame. That's how it mostly work.

CheapBastardX10 02-21-2013 04:05 PM

Heard new models are coming out to replace these? Wonder if it is better to wait for that one.

panini 02-21-2013 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G25L (Post 57742744)
Yea, mine developed some sorta water puddle looking smudge on right side of the monitor after about 2.5 years of use. I called them in the afternoon to report it and the next morning already had a replacement monitor sitting on my porch.

Wow! that's impressive of Dell. Did they ask you to send the bad one? I mean, did you pay for returning shipping?

Nickerz 02-21-2013 04:15 PM

As the owner of a Korean 27 (crossover 27Q) LOL at this deal. Don't be a farking idiot!

sloepoke 02-21-2013 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooty (Post 57743694)
apple cinema's aren't too much more: $699

How in the heck is $699 "not too much more" than $380? It's close to double the Dell's price. It may be worth the difference, but it's in a different class.

zeth006 02-21-2013 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickerz (Post 57743988)
As the owner of a Korean 27 (crossover 27Q) LOL at this deal. Don't be a farking idiot!

Quote:

Originally Posted by sloepoke (Post 57744074)
How in the heck is $699 "not too much more" than $380? It's close to double the Dell's price. It may be worth the difference, but it's in a different class.


I'm guessing you missed the memo. $319 is nothing for Apple people. If you're not willing to pay the difference, that means you're a dirty peasant who has no business getting his grimy hands on their sacred brand.

big-m 02-21-2013 04:26 PM

Which of the Korean monitors has the BEST reviews - Crossover, Yamasaki, etc.??? Anyone with some personal experience?

G25L 02-21-2013 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panini (Post 57743932)
Wow! that's impressive of Dell. Did they ask you to send the bad one? I mean, did you pay for returning shipping?

Yea you just put the bad one in the replacement box they send you. You don't pay for anything.
You can drop it off at fedex store but I think they also have option for fedex to pick up at your house if you are too lazy to leave the house.:lol:

thomaslw 02-21-2013 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big-m (Post 57744242)
Which of the Korean monitors has the BEST reviews - Crossover, Yamasaki, etc.??? Anyone with some personal experience?

i have both a dell 27 (got it during that awesome $450 offer with amex) and a yamasaki for another comp. the yamasaki is about on par with catleap and the other korean brands, which is to say they are pretty solid but often have some defect if you go hunting for it, like i found 3 dead pixels on the yamasaki. the dell of course was perfect. aside from that the dell is technically better but i don't game on the yamasaki so it's not a huge difference in my eyes. i obviously like the dell more though.

OverDose 02-21-2013 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G25L (Post 57742744)
Yea, mine developed some sorta water puddle looking smudge on right side of the monitor after about 2.5 years of use. I called them in the afternoon to report it and the next morning already had a replacement monitor sitting on my porch.

I had the exact same problem. It was like the effect you get when you press an LCD panel with your finger (not good to do that by the way). The defect was noticeable early on and got worse over time. I put up with it for a couple years before I finally returned it.

Hopefully they have that problem corrected with the later revisions. My original was a revision 2 and it was replaced with a refurbished revision 8. The replacement panel is so much sharper with text than the original one was and I am very happy with it.

As other posters pointed out, Dell overnights a replacement and then you send the defective one back in the same carton with a prepaid label.

m715 02-21-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krazyatom (Post 57741832)
i wish i can buy 3 of these for eyefinity... just my dream list lol

That would be fun...until then I have to live with my cheap 24" dells from staples deals :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerorhythm (Post 57743738)
I think they will bill you if you don't return the defective unit within a time frame. That's how it mostly work.

Yep, I'd agree that's how its always worked for me, sometimes even with stupidly small parts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by osideplayer (Post 57743340)
I agree dell sucks when it comes to warranty

You have to be polite, firm and very persistent. In all cases I eventually got my problems resolved but it did take some work...

_A2 02-21-2013 04:49 PM

So uh... $380 is a Slick Deal?? I paid $289 for this on NewEgg on 16-Aug-2012...

Bought it for my new job. LOVE it...

Still... $380 doesn't seem like a great deal relative to $290...

bigballs 02-21-2013 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lobsang (Post 57743182)
I've had to use warranty on my similar, but non-ultrasharp (TN, not IPS) monitor. Let me tell you, there's a reason they coined the term "Dell Hell". I logged everything I did when talking to them. All in all, I spoke with over 20 different people at Dell and spent (adding all the time) over 24 hours on the phone with them. Three monitors later (one broken, another two the wrong model) I managed to fix my problem, but what a pain it was...

-- Lob

That is for the regular monitor. The warranty service on this thing is luxury. You call, they will have new monitor to you 2 days.

Quote:

Originally Posted by _A2 (Post 57744616)
So uh... $380 is a Slick Deal?? I paid $289 for this on NewEgg on 16-Aug-2012...

Bought it for my new job. LOVE it...

Still... $380 doesn't seem like a great deal relative to $290...

Are you sure you have the exact same model? Check the model #. There is a similar model to this one for that price that is e-ISP panel or something like that.

panini 02-21-2013 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _A2 (Post 57744616)
So uh... $380 is a Slick Deal?? I paid $289 for this on NewEgg on 16-Aug-2012...

Bought it for my new job. LOVE it...

Still... $380 doesn't seem like a great deal relative to $290...

slickdeals get a nice kickback when they drive traffic to dell and people end up purschasing from dell after clicking the links in slickdeals... so its slickdeal's slick...

gokartsrus 02-21-2013 05:04 PM

staples has the hp 23xi ips right now for 169. If you don't need vesa mount its a pretty nice screen.

bigballs 02-21-2013 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panini (Post 57744804)
slickdeals get a nice kickback when they drive traffic to dell and people end up purschasing from dell after clicking the links in slickdeals... so its slickdeal's slick...

I'm sure he got the u2412m and not this one. I don't ever recall seeing the price hit below 300 for this.

zhopa 02-21-2013 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halewafa (Post 57742912)
After taxes and fees to california, total comes out to $418, might wait to see if I can find it somewhere that doesn't charge tax

Yeah, that's a little too much for a 24''... even for a good one.

zhopa 02-21-2013 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooty (Post 57743694)
http://www.frys.com/product/6406652

apple cinema's aren't too much more: $699

Quote:

Originally Posted by sloepoke (Post 57744074)
How in the heck is $699 "not too much more" than $380? It's close to double the Dell's price. It may be worth the difference, but it's in a different class.

Wooty is apparently no better at grammar as he is at math. It's "cinemas", not "cinema's".

TXPearl 02-21-2013 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhopa (Post 57745024)
Wooty is apparently no better at grammar as he is at math. It's "cinemas", not "cinema's".

Oh, the irony of this post. :lol:

panini 02-21-2013 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhopa (Post 57745024)
Wooty is apparently no better at grammar as he is at math. It's "cinemas", not "cinema's".

grammar nazziz....

dragon042 02-21-2013 05:30 PM

I have 3 of these and I love them! Probably the best monitors I've ever used.

nakdaddy1 02-21-2013 05:30 PM

Does this ever come on sale at this price from an online retailer that doesn't charge tax? (in South Carolina)

osideplayer 02-21-2013 05:45 PM

Is everyone just ok with being tax'd? I could get this at B and H for less

whozee 02-21-2013 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigballs (Post 57744882)
I'm sure he got the u2412m and not this one. I don't ever recall seeing the price hit below 300 for this.

Same here, although I have seen the U2412M hit $269 with free shipping. I'm waiting for a deal like that again.

milko 02-21-2013 05:49 PM

Wasn't there an ultrasharp deal for $180ish refurb not too long ago (deal of the century that I missed)?

_A2 02-21-2013 05:52 PM

LoL Nice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigballs (Post 57744882)
I'm sure he got the u2412m and not this one. I don't ever recall seeing the price hit below 300 for this.


Ah ha!! You are correct sir.


I have the 2412M...

2412 is a little brighter, has a larger/wider color gamut, 2ms faster response rate...


Good catch.


Honestly, for a work monitor (that I bought myself, the 2412M for $290 is great for me :-)). However I suppose for gamers or people who do a lot of photo editing the 2412 might be better suited.

Honestly, I love my 2x Samsung 2343 at home the most, because they have 2048x1152 resolution at 23"... Wish there were reasonably priced, good monitors with that resolution these days... but 1920x1200 is not too bad either, certainly better than 1920x1080 at 24" I love it for work, coupled with a work-supplied HP 22" secondary monitor.

Thanks for the observation/correction!! :-)

koven 02-21-2013 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerorhythm (Post 57743738)
I think they will bill you if you don't return the defective unit within a time frame. That's how it mostly work.

that's what i thought but it's been 2 months already... guess i slipped through the crack

riznick 02-21-2013 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G25L (Post 57742744)
Yea, mine developed some sorta water puddle looking smudge on right side of the monitor after about 2.5 years of use. I called them in the afternoon to report it and the next morning already had a replacement monitor sitting on my porch.

2 of my 24" ultrasharps have that. I also have a 20" ultrasharp with that effect. unfortunately I didn't pay attention until too late per the 24" ultrasharps...

91011 02-21-2013 06:02 PM

Has anyone needed to use the warranty on this monitor?

Backlight went out after running 16hrs/day for 18 months. Twenty-one hours after only one phone call to Dell, the replacement arrived. Great monitor.

itsallaboutgary 02-21-2013 06:05 PM

Love this monitor! Anyone who is considering this monitor should not hesitate to buy it. I mainly use it for Photography and color reproduction (after being color corrected) has always been on point. Wouldn't mind upgrading to the 3011 though :)

Bought in April 2010 and haven't experienced any ghosting, dead pixels or having to deal with warranty issues!

ysap 02-21-2013 06:07 PM

This monitor is the most bang for the buck - ever!

unagimiyagi 02-21-2013 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avatar13 (Post 57742128)
Oh really? I'm surprised I have heard nothing but good things. The quality overall seems something to be desired so the understanding was we were buying it for the panel. I've messed with it at my MC, the buttons are squishy feeling and the stand sucks but the display looked good though I'd have to see it calibrated. I may just forgo the extra 3 inches and buy the Dell since you get the panel, ergonomics, and 3 year support.

I've got the Auria. It's the same panel as the thunderbolt display. It really is.
I don't like the glossy coating, but it's better than glass for sure. It does seem to be fairly glossy as far as glossy coatings go. That is, my macbook air has a glossy coating, but it is not as reflective as the Auria.
I've found these panels to be just fine. Everything else about the display, though, is economy-class--frame, ergonomics, etc. But the 27" of real estate is a noticeable step up from 24".
The ability to buy locally and return immediately is worth alot more than most people realize. I would dread dealing with ebay and shipping of such a large item. The time cost and mental anguish risked in order to save a few bucks is not worth it if you're going to buy one of those Korean monitors.

Of course if I had the money I'd buy a Dell 27" b/c of the antiglare coating and better frame.

zhopa 02-21-2013 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panini (Post 57745294)
grammar nazziz....

You make it sound like a bad thing.

bigballs 02-21-2013 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _A2 (Post 57745784)
Ah ha!! You are correct sir.


I have the 2412M...

2412 is a little brighter, has a larger/wider color gamut, 2ms faster response rate...


Good catch.


Honestly, for a work monitor (that I bought myself, the 2412M for $290 is great for me :-)). However I suppose for gamers or people who do a lot of photo editing the 2412 might be better suited.

Honestly, I love my 2x Samsung 2343 at home the most, because they have 2048x1152 resolution at 23"... Wish there were reasonably priced, good monitors with that resolution these days... but 1920x1200 is not too bad either, certainly better than 1920x1080 at 24" I love it for work, coupled with a work-supplied HP 22" secondary monitor.

Thanks for the observation/correction!! :-)

I have the same monitor and I love it. My last game system was Colecovision so this one suits me fine.

sy8936 02-21-2013 06:21 PM

Amazon.com sells it only $383, plus $17 shipping, but no tax, I think it is cheaper than this deal. ($380 plus tax, except New Hampshire)

http://www.amazon.com/Dell-UltraS...B00302DNZ4

Pyro754 02-21-2013 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osideplayer (Post 57743340)
I agree dell sucks when it comes to warranty

I kind of agree, but also not. I had an M6500 at work that gave me problems recently. After three tries with the service techs, Dell gave up and sent me an almost fully specced up M6700 in lieu of an apology card. :D The thing absolutely flies! I also have two U2410s, and they've been great screens. I wish I had money of my own to burn on some, but sadly, I don't.

(The caveat, of course, is that our company is kind of large (10k people) so we do quite a bit of business with Dell and we're not the kind of account you want to lose...)

alchi 02-21-2013 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avatar13 (Post 57742128)
Oh really? I'm surprised I have heard nothing but good things. The quality overall seems something to be desired so the understanding was we were buying it for the panel. I've messed with it at my MC, the buttons are squishy feeling and the stand sucks but the display looked good though I'd have to see it calibrated. I may just forgo the extra 3 inches and buy the Dell since you get the panel, ergonomics, and 3 year support.

The factory calibration on the dell monitors isn't too bad either so if you don't have a spyder or want to pay someone to calibrate you can save some money there.

bdy0003 02-21-2013 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigballs (Post 57744882)
I'm sure he got the u2412m and not this one. I don't ever recall seeing the price hit below 300 for this.

Its doable. I paid around 298 for mine between BF/CM. Price was lowered already, tacked on a couple of 5% coupons and stacked a $300gc with a $75gc that was apart of a promo. All in all, I paid 298 with taxes, recycling fees, etc... And yes, I am very happy with my monitor.

nilkilla 02-21-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gokartsrus (Post 57744864)
staples has the hp 23xi ips right now for 169. If you don't need vesa mount its a pretty nice screen.

And you are willing to sacrifice 16:10. I"m not, in for the Dell.

camackerman 02-21-2013 07:14 PM

$315+tax, Refurbished at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-li...efurbished
30-day return, Unknown warranty period.

guglefan 02-21-2013 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camackerman (Post 57747384)
$315+tax, Refurbished at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-li...efurbished
30-day return, Unknown warranty period.

$299+tax, Refurbished at Dell: http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnli...=ALL&s=dfh
30-day return, 90 day warranty.

Gentoo 02-21-2013 07:41 PM

Expect the price on these to stay this price or drop lower. The new models were just announced and the specs are drool-worthy

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/1...#continued

99% aRGB coverage and 100% sRGB coverage, pre-calibarated from the factory. I'll still use my spyder, but hot damm... thats farking amazing.

minfrey 02-21-2013 08:03 PM

how is this a slick deal? I am looking at the dell catalog they sent to my home and the U2410 is listed at $399.99.
and not only that, during this deal:

http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/87926/dell-home-office-dell-xps-8500-desktop-core-i7-3770-3.40ghz-12gb-ddr3-2tb-hdd-bluray-rom-geforce-gt-640-win-8-24-dell-u2410-ips-1920x1200-lcd-monitor

that ran about a month ago, the U2410 was listed on the website as being 399.99 as well. it seems they have recently increased the price again.

i would know since i jumped on the xps8500 bundle (including U2410 monitor). they sent me the U2412m ($369.99) instead so i asked them to price match the u2410 (listed at $399.99). they agreed and the $30 refund is currently being processed. i might call them again to price match since the price of the u2410 has changed to $449.99 on their site now.

Tarbo 02-21-2013 08:07 PM

Isn't this monitor pointless to buy unless you are primarily doing print media or actually need a wide gamut for professional work? From what I hear, it's better to just buy the U2412M for almost $100 cheaper that's better in most ways than the U2410.

vnt87 02-21-2013 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koven (Post 57745854)
that's what i thought but it's been 2 months already... guess i slipped through the crack

But you'll have to live with the guilt! zomg

tbroo 02-21-2013 08:20 PM

Feeling greedy as I am...anybody have experience with trying to place multiple orders so that the coupon applies if I want to order multiple monitors?

I don't have the limitations text from the coupon so I don't know if it specifies the "one per customer per household" or "one per transaction" or how they limit it.

fatbaldandhappy 02-21-2013 08:34 PM

Wooty- woot woot
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zhopa (Post 57745024)
Wooty is apparently no better at grammar as he is at math. It's "cinemas", not "cinema's".

The apple display is a 27" at 2560X1440 and is a beautiful display speaking from experience. At $699 it is price and quality competitive if you are trying to decide between the 24 and 27" ultrasharp. I'm no Apple fan boy and if there's a near equal alternative I will choose the alternative; but I can certainly appreciate a quality product at a reasonable price; and I definitely appreciate when someone takes the time to bring one to my attention. Why rip the guy for trying to help those in the market for a quality display?

zhopa 02-21-2013 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatbaldandhappy (Post 57748756)
Why rip the guy for trying to help those in the market for a quality display?

Because this thread is not about that.
Read the OP.

Larron 02-21-2013 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarbo (Post 57748348)
Isn't this monitor pointless to buy unless you are primarily doing print media or actually need a wide gamut for professional work? From what I hear, it's better to just buy the U2412M for almost $100 cheaper that's better in most ways than the U2410.

Yup.

You're right. This monitor is only worth the extra money for those that actually use the small handful of applications able to take advantage of the wide color gamut. I'm only aware of a few image editing apps that can even make use of this monitors gamut. Even then, you mostly have to be a pro to make proper use of the feature.

The 2412 is a far better monitor for most folks. While the 2412 doesn't have the wide color gaumt of the 2410, the 2412's LED backlight is far more reliable, runs a lot cooler and uses a lot less electricity. CCFL backlights like those in the 2410 fail a lot more often than LED backlights.

And as has been pointed out above, the 2410's successor has just been announced. Expect the 2410 to be discontinued shortly, possibly with even greater price breaks in the near term.

Would I buy one of these if they reached the $269 I paid for my 2412's? Sure, but I am an imaging professional and could actually make use of the extra color gamut. I'd equally buy another 2412 today if I could get it for the price I paid for my first two.

WildChickenDanc 02-21-2013 08:47 PM

Anyone want to just give me the dell deal with monitor and desktop?

fatbaldandhappy 02-21-2013 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhopa (Post 57748876)
Because this thread is not about that.
Read the OP.

This post isn't for people interested in a high end, high quality monitor?

superstition 02-22-2013 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larron (Post 57748954)
The 2412 is a far better monitor for most folks. While the 2412 doesn't have the wide color gaumt of the 2410, the 2412's LED backlight is far more reliable, runs a lot cooler and uses a lot less electricity. CCFL backlights like those in the 2410 fail a lot more often than LED backlights.

Power usage is a minor issue unless you're running a large business/university. People hype the power reduction of LED but there are much more important factors to a monitor.

For one thing, the 2412 is e-IPS which means it only has 6-bit color plus dithering. Its LED backlight also uses PWM and the instant on and off flicker can cause eyestrain. A CCFL backlight goes on and off more gently, due to afterglow and such. Edge-lit LED backlighting tends to have more uniformity problems than higher-end CCFL panels.

tftcentral found that the 2412 has mediocre uniformity (at least their sample).

e-IPS doesn't offer viewing angles as wide as an H-IPS monitor like this one.

Other than the resolution, which offers the extra 120 vertical pixels, I don't see why anyone would want a 2412 over an A-MVA panel if they're shopping for standard gamut. Now that A-MVA's response times are greatly improved the real contrast of those panels makes them better than the 2412. Dell does offer an A-MVA 24", although it is high-gloss. Matte screens are available from BenQ.

e-IPS was a good solution before A-MVA managed to get its pixel response speed up. Now, graphics pros should stick with higher-grade IPS but for most regular people A-MVA is a better option. However, it is unfortunate that they are limited to 1080p resolution, though.

We don't use CRTs anymore. We don't use EGA or VGA monitors. I hope the small sRGB color space is going to go away soon since GB-LED backlighting has come out and should come down in price with volume scaling.

ilikemoneys 02-22-2013 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatbaldandhappy (Post 57748756)
The apple display is a 27" at 2560X1440 and is a beautiful display speaking from experience. At $699 it is price and quality competitive if you are trying to decide between the 24 and 27" ultrasharp. I'm no Apple fan boy and if there's a near equal alternative I will choose the alternative; but I can certainly appreciate a quality product at a reasonable price; and I definitely appreciate when someone takes the time to bring one to my attention. Why rip the guy for trying to help those in the market for a quality display?

The Asus PB278Q is constantly $650, the Dell $2713HM is often $650. Both have been even less. The Auria at MC is $400. All of those options are better than the Apple Cenima.

5thElement 02-22-2013 03:26 AM

Stay away from this monitor people, it uses PWM dimming. Say good by to your eye balls and nervous system if you buy this!! Its NO joke!

I love how people think LEDs are superior over CCFL, they are NOT.

Hxx 02-22-2013 03:49 AM

Please correct me if I'm wrong but there's a dell 27 inch ips display at $309 on dell.com. I believe the resolution is 1080p so slightly inferior but wouldnt it be a better deal for those using a monitor for movies /games...entertainment stuff ?http://accessories.us.dell.com/sn...u=225-3894

HetfieldJ 02-22-2013 04:11 AM

Just saw the display of the chromebook pixel.
Damn! I want a similar display.

5thElement 02-22-2013 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hxx (Post 57752374)
Please correct me if I'm wrong but there's a dell 27 inch ips display at $309 on dell.com. I believe the resolution is 1080p so slightly inferior but wouldnt it be a better deal for those using a monitor for movies /games...entertainment stuff ?http://accessories.us.dell.com/sn...u=225-3894

Thats not a bad display if you dont mind the massive about of overdrive artifacts it produces.

fyu 02-22-2013 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superstition (Post 57751706)
Power usage is a minor issue unless you're running a large business/university. People hype the power reduction of LED but there are much more important factors to a monitor.

For one thing, the 2412 is e-IPS which means it only has 6-bit color plus dithering. Its LED backlight also uses PWM and the instant on and off flicker can cause eyestrain. A CCFL backlight goes on and off more gently, due to afterglow and such. Edge-lit LED backlighting tends to have more uniformity problems than higher-end CCFL panels.

tftcentral found that the 2412 has mediocre uniformity (at least their sample).

e-IPS doesn't offer viewing angles as wide as an H-IPS monitor like this one.

Other than the resolution, which offers the extra 120 vertical pixels, I don't see why anyone would want a 2412 over an A-MVA panel if they're shopping for standard gamut. Now that A-MVA's response times are greatly improved the real contrast of those panels makes them better than the 2412. Dell does offer an A-MVA 24", although it is high-gloss. Matte screens are available from BenQ.

e-IPS was a good solution before A-MVA managed to get its pixel response speed up. Now, graphics pros should stick with higher-grade IPS but for most regular people A-MVA is a better option. However, it is unfortunate that they are limited to 1080p resolution, though.

We don't use CRTs anymore. We don't use EGA or VGA monitors. I hope the small sRGB color space is going to go away soon since GB-LED backlighting has come out and should come down in price with volume scaling.

I have both. I can't tell a difference. Only after calibration and working in wide gamut is there a small difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5thElement (Post 57752280)
Stay away from this monitor people, it uses PWM dimming. Say good by to your eye balls and nervous system if you buy this!! Its NO joke!

I love how people think LEDs are superior over CCFL, they are NOT.

eh? are you saying this is a LED backlit monitor?

_A2 02-22-2013 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigballs (Post 57746246)
I have the same monitor and I love it. My last game system was Colecovision so this one suits me fine.


LoL what a moron...


First of all I referenced 3 monitors, so your comment is vague/ambiguous at best.


Second... Good for you, have fun playing on your Z80 Colecovision, like we care.


Third, the three monitors I mentioned are excellent monitors with high resolutions that are perfectly suited to the tasks I mentioned in my original post.


Oh and, we're all forever indebted to your useful contribution to the thread LoL!!


:hug::hug::hug::hug:

Parken 02-22-2013 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G25L (Post 57742744)
Yea, mine developed some sorta water puddle looking smudge on right side of the monitor after about 2.5 years of use. I called them in the afternoon to report it and the next morning already had a replacement monitor sitting on my porch.

What? Did they parachute in the mother****? Do you live next to Dell plant?

fyu 02-22-2013 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parken (Post 57753200)
What? Did they parachute in the mother****? Do you live next to Dell plant?

it's 2 day shipping for replacements so he was probably very close to the shipper.

leahzero 02-22-2013 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OverDose (Post 57744454)
I had the exact same problem. It was like the effect you get when you press an LCD panel with your finger (not good to do that by the way). The defect was noticeable early on and got worse over time. I put up with it for a couple years before I finally returned it.

Hopefully they have that problem corrected with the later revisions. My original was a revision 2 and it was replaced with a refurbished revision 8. The replacement panel is so much sharper with text than the original one was and I am very happy with it.

As other posters pointed out, Dell overnights a replacement and then you send the defective one back in the same carton with a prepaid label.

Interesting. I had the exact same problem with my 30" Dell, model 3007WFP-HC. It looked like a line of water creeping in from the side.

Since mine was refurbished and just out of warranty when the problem started, they wouldn't replace it. It later developed a solid one-pixel line of cyan running vertically through the screen. Fun.

I replaced it with a U2410 I picked off eBay for $375. No issues so far, but now I'm wondering if the panels have a native defect or something. This one's getting returned the second I notice any weirdness.

redsrule2500 02-22-2013 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5thElement (Post 57752280)
Stay away from this monitor people, it uses PWM dimming. Say good by to your eye balls and nervous system if you buy this!! Its NO joke!

I love how people think LEDs are superior over CCFL, they are NOT.

They are superior in energy efficiency and size

lekhtuz 02-22-2013 06:30 AM

Does the warranty cover accidental damage?

ryk1998 02-22-2013 06:32 AM

I have a u2312 ...comments how to calibrate?

Layd Dly 02-22-2013 07:08 AM

Love mine, originally wanted 3 but now I am holding out for a 30" to pair with my 2 Dell FP2007 for PLP setup.

xDigx 02-22-2013 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cohplacebo (Post 57741762)
Can anyone comment on the anti-glare coating and glow issues when directly facing the monitor? I am a video / photo editor and am concerned with eye strain. Also a gamer, any ghosting issues?

I own the u2412m and the anti-glare coating is noticeable, at first. If your into video/photo editing, and have a decent eye, then I suspect you will notice the anti-glare coating pretty quickly. Here's the deal, my eyes have adjusted to it. After using the monitor for only a short amount of time I don't even notice the coating anymore. I think by adjusting some of the settings you can make the coating more or less pronounced, but again, it's really not that noticeable. I have my monitor on a right angle in comparison to my window, so the light directly comes and and hits my monitor, and I see no glare or reflection, (except for the dell logo that's a reflective silver).

I can see how it anoys some people, but I wouldn't let it discourage you from getting the monitor. Maybe you can try and find one at a store that has the coating so you can take a first hand look at it before purchasing. Good luck brother.

Hilltopper03 02-22-2013 08:44 AM

For anyone on the fence, I've had this monitor for 2+yrs and love it. I use it for gaming and multimedia work and its been an awesome investment for my older eyes.

Going to pick up a 2nd one, thx OP. Repped

AGpennypacker 02-22-2013 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5thElement (Post 57752280)
Stay away from this monitor people, it uses PWM dimming. Say good by to your eye balls and nervous system if you buy this!! Its NO joke!

I love how people think LEDs are superior over CCFL, they are NOT.

This is ccfl backlit.

fyu 02-22-2013 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lekhtuz (Post 57754182)
Does the warranty cover accidental damage?

nope.

velani 02-22-2013 10:29 AM

Link please
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickerz (Post 57743988)
As the owner of a Korean 27 (crossover 27Q) LOL at this deal. Don't be a farking idiot!


Hi,

Would you be kind enough to send me a link to the monitor you bought? I would sincerely appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.

G25L 02-22-2013 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parken (Post 57753200)
What? Did they parachute in the mother****? Do you live next to Dell plant?

I live in California. I think the replacement monitor was shipped from Tennessee or Ohio. Don't remember exactly.

LikeG6 02-22-2013 11:34 AM

Being a noob, what is the advantage of IPS vs non-IPS. As a gamer/movie watcher, how much of a difference will I notice? (I have a non-IPS 27 LCD 1080 monitor now)

Thanks in advice!

fyu 02-22-2013 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LikeG6 (Post 57762050)
Being a noob, what is the advantage of IPS vs non-IPS. As a gamer/movie watcher, how much of a difference will I notice? (I have a non-IPS 27 LCD 1080 monitor now)

Thanks in advice!

better colors and better viewing angles.

if you don't compare the two types side by side you may never know the difference. but once you do, you'll never go back to non-ips.

Larron 02-22-2013 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superstition (Post 57751706)
Power usage is a minor issue unless you're running a large business/university. People hype the power reduction of LED but there are much more important factors to a monitor.

For one thing, the 2412 is e-IPS which means it only has 6-bit color plus dithering. Its LED backlight also uses PWM and the instant on and off flicker can cause eyestrain. A CCFL backlight goes on and off more gently, due to afterglow and such. Edge-lit LED backlighting tends to have more uniformity problems than higher-end CCFL panels.

tftcentral found that the 2412 has mediocre uniformity (at least their sample).

e-IPS doesn't offer viewing angles as wide as an H-IPS monitor like this one.

Other than the resolution, which offers the extra 120 vertical pixels, I don't see why anyone would want a 2412 over an A-MVA panel if they're shopping for standard gamut. Now that A-MVA's response times are greatly improved the real contrast of those panels makes them better than the 2412. Dell does offer an A-MVA 24", although it is high-gloss. Matte screens are available from BenQ.

e-IPS was a good solution before A-MVA managed to get its pixel response speed up. Now, graphics pros should stick with higher-grade IPS but for most regular people A-MVA is a better option. However, it is unfortunate that they are limited to 1080p resolution, though.

We don't use CRTs anymore. We don't use EGA or VGA monitors. I hope the small sRGB color space is going to go away soon since GB-LED backlighting has come out and should come down in price with volume scaling.

I strongly disagree.

A 16 by 10 aspect ratio is a tremendously important feature. You completely dismiss the extra 120 pixels of the 2412. Here's the thing, multiply that 120 pixels by the full width of the monitor and it quickly adds up to a huge amount of screen real estate. These 16:10 Dell monitors display more pixels that most 27" monitors on the market.

16 by 9 aspect ratios were not designed for productivity, they were designed for televisions, for viewing TV and movies. 16 by 10 is more productive for most uses, for most users. Yes, that extra increment makes a big difference in day to day work.

CCFL's not only use a lot more power, they create a lot more heat. Put a few, large CCFL monitors in a room and the difference is noticeable. Especially in warmer climates, it is not a beneficial feature.

PWM? I use professional grade CRT monitors, CCFL backlit monitors, and LED backlit monitors. PWM eye strain from PWM on LED is a complete non issue. (Why CRT? They still offer very accurate color.)

You're complaining about e-IPS dithering? Were you given a "blind test", it's incredibly unlikely that you'd be able to tell the difference. Yes, the difference between an 8 and 10 bit panel is discernible, but ONLY when using specific software applications specifically designed to take advantage of the extra gamut. Lets be clear, 30 BPP screens are so rare that the number of software applications written to take advantage of them is vanishingly small.

Viewing angles? The viewing angles of the 2412 are fantastic, amazing. At least as good as the 30 bit IPS monitors we have.

As for A-MVA, many MVA panels also use dithering, not that you'd probably notice, but since you've mentioned dithering is a showstopper, just thought I'd point out that MVA is not free of that particular "scourge".

The real problem with MVA is aspect ratios. When a manufacturer starts making them in aspect ratios designed for work instead of play, I'll take notice. As you point out, all the A-MVA monitors are made using TV aspect ratios. Until a manufacturer releases one with a professional aspect ratio, it's not a professional solution. It's not even better for average users. Average users are better off with a reliable, long-lasting LED backlight. Average users are better off with a 16:10 aspect screen. Right now, MVA isn't even in the game.

uio77 02-22-2013 12:09 PM

So tempted. But I will wait for the American express, Dell gift cards combo and get me the u2713hm for $450 or less. Hopefully by BF... Patience little grass hoppers...

Progression 02-22-2013 12:27 PM

Great deal, but how does this crappy company sell $25 monitors for such a massive mark-up?

Good thing with Dell is their monitors, the higher rez ones at least, have remained consistent while I cannot say many of their other products are doing more than going downhill.

LikeG6 02-22-2013 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fyu (Post 57762280)
better colors and better viewing angles.

if you don't compare the two types side by side you may never know the difference. but once you do, you'll never go back to non-ips.

Thanks!

How about IPS vs 120Hz, which would I benefit more from? (gaming/movies)

fyu 02-22-2013 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LikeG6 (Post 57767522)
Thanks!

How about IPS vs 120Hz, which would I benefit more from? (gaming/movies)

never used a 120hz monitor for gaming. but I'd guess the 120hz if you're a hardcore gamer.

if not, I doubt you'd tell the difference.

in any case, this particular monitor is not for you. it's pricey. just look for deals on any 24" ips screen.

n3rdftw 02-22-2013 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Progression (Post 57763484)
Great deal, but how does this crappy company sell $25 monitors for such a massive mark-up?

Good thing with Dell is their monitors, the higher rez ones at least, have remained consistent while I cannot say many of their other products are doing more than going downhill.

cause no one is providing competition... for large IPS monitors.. there are crappy korean monitors, dell, hp, and apple... no one is providing pressure to reduce prices

if it was so easy to do, you should open a monitor company....:lmao:

PDSway 02-22-2013 06:12 PM

Until I see a comprehensive view of the new U2413, I think there's a chance this monitor (U2410) will be a "classic" and highly sought after even when out of production.

No doubt someone will claim "ccfl" is the best, blah blah.

kamiraa 02-22-2013 06:16 PM

great IPS monitor, I have a few

Larron 02-22-2013 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PDSway (Post 57770422)
Until I see a comprehensive view of the new U2413, I think there's a chance this monitor (U2410) will be a "classic" and highly sought after even when out of production.

No doubt someone will claim "ccfl" is the best, blah blah.

You're right, they probably will. They'll also probably be wrong. These new Dell monitors will very likely be superior in any way that matters. Those that claim otherwise probably couldn't differentiate in a blind test. Most of those that complain about PWM and dithering in these high-end monitors have really lost the plot. CCFL is not necessarily superior. In some ways they are incredibly inferior. Most CCFL's have less than 15% of the rated life of an LED backlight. When a backlight dies outside warranty, the monitor may as well be thrown away.

If the monitor nerds were really 'all about quality', they'd have a CRT. A high end (now aging) CRT can have much better color and massively superior off-angle viewing than nearly every LCD monitor on the market.

Of course, large CRT's have real downsides. They're massive, hot, power hungry, hot, heavy, hot, can't easily be mounted anywhere but a sturdy desk, hot. Yet they still do some things better than most LCD's.

I guess the monitor nerds don't talk about them because CRT's are now so completely uncool. That, and no one has made quality models in half a decade.

superstition 02-22-2013 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larron (Post 57762960)
I strongly disagree. A 16 by 10 aspect ratio is a tremendously important feature. You completely dismiss the extra 120 pixels of the 2412.

Read what I posted:
Quote:

Originally Posted by superstition
Other than the resolution, which offers the extra 120 vertical pixels, I don't see why anyone would want a 2412 over an A-MVA panel if they're shopping for standard gamut.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larron (Post 57762960)
16 by 9 aspect ratios were not designed for productivity, they were designed for televisions, for viewing TV and movies. 16 by 10 is more productive for most uses, for most users. Yes, that extra increment makes a big difference in day to day work.

Yadda yadda. That wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about the user who doesn't feel they need the extra resolution. There are many people who are fine just 1080p. The extra resolution is important to you, I get that.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larron (Post 57762960)
CCFL's not only use a lot more power, they create a lot more heat. Put a few, large CCFL monitors in a room and the difference is noticeable. Especially in warmer climates, it is not a beneficial feature.

In cooler climates wouldn't it help to warm the room? Goodness gracious...
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larron (Post 57762960)
PWM eye strain from PWM on LED is a complete non issue.

That's your opinion, one that isn't shared by everyone.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larron (Post 57762960)
You're complaining about e-IPS dithering? Were you given a "blind test", it's incredibly unlikely that you'd be able to tell the difference.

:rolleyes:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larron (Post 57762960)
Yes, the difference between an 8 and 10 bit panel is discernible, but ONLY when using specific software applications specifically designed to take advantage of the extra gamut.

I wasn't talking about 8-bit versus 10-bit. I was talking about 6-bit, which is what e-IPS panels provide, with 2 bits of dithering. The expert review sites agree that, for most people, a 10-bit workflow is not necessary.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larron (Post 57762960)
As for A-MVA, many MVA panels also use dithering, not that you'd probably notice, but since you've mentioned dithering is a showstopper, just thought I'd point out that MVA is not free of that particular "scourge".

The manufacturer, AUO, claims that they use 8-bit processing without FRC dithering. The review sites have said the same thing.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larron (Post 57762960)
The real problem with MVA is aspect ratios. When a manufacturer starts making them in aspect ratios designed for work instead of play, I'll take notice. As you point out, all the A-MVA monitors are made using TV aspect ratios. Until a manufacturer releases one with a professional aspect ratio, it's not a professional solution. It's not even better for average users. Average users are better off with a reliable, long-lasting LED backlight. Average users are better off with a 16:10 aspect screen. Right now, MVA isn't even in the game.

Dell makes an A-MVA monitor and it fits well with the needs of some users. Other users will find that matte or semi-gloss panels are better for them. Your particular needs and preferences are not universal.

superstition 02-22-2013 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larron (Post 57770698)
Most of those that complain about PWM and dithering in these high-end monitors have really lost the plot.

Be glad that you don't get headaches or eyestrain from LED flashing, but some do. The good news ("the plot") is that Dell and others are producing quite a few panels now that don't use PWM.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larron (Post 57770698)
CCFL is not necessarily superior. In some ways they are incredibly inferior. Most CCFL's have less than 15% of the rated life of an LED backlight. When a backlight dies outside warranty, the monitor may as well be thrown away.

I have never had a CCFL backlight die, and I have run two large computer labs for decades. I have also worked as tech support for several fairly large departments. We have had a zero failure rate for CCFL backlights. The only thing that has happened is that some of the panels have developed dead pixel lines. I happen to have a 15" monitor that has been around for over a decade now and its backlight still works, too.

The LED hype is only starting to become more credible now that GB-LED can produce wide-gamut with lower cost than RGB-LED and that PWM-free options are mainstream.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larron (Post 57770698)
If the monitor nerds were really 'all about quality', they'd have a CRT. A high end (now aging) CRT can have much better color and massively superior off-angle viewing than nearly every LCD monitor on the market. Of course, large CRT's have real downsides. They're massive, hot, power hungry, hot, heavy, hot, can't easily be mounted anywhere but a sturdy desk, hot. Yet they still do some things better than most LCD's.

Some things, like play FPS games. For just about everything else, they're inferior. You also forgot about the major uniformity and gun drift problems.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larron (Post 57770698)
I guess the monitor nerds don't talk about them because CRT's are now so completely uncool. That, and no one has made quality models in half a decade.

It's fascinating that you lambast CCFL backlighting for its power usage and lifespan and then talk up CRTs.

superstition 02-23-2013 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fyu (Post 57762280)
better colors and better viewing angles.

if you don't compare the two types side by side you may never know the difference. but once you do, you'll never go back to non-ips.

IPS doesn't offer the real contrast (black level) that A-MVA offers.

The colors are "better" in terms of off-angle accuracy and resistance to head-on crush, but not in terms of contrast.

The best IPS screens had polarizers to reduce IPS glow. Unfortunately, no one has making those anymore.

Some people dislike the strong "crystalline" matte coating of some IPS panels, so for them the colors are not better on such screens:

http://www.overclockers.ru/images...ct_big.jpg

Others dislike the effect of glare on glossy or semi-gloss panels, so for them the colors are not better on such screens.

fyu 02-23-2013 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superstition (Post 57774536)
IPS doesn't offer the real contrast (black level) that A-MVA offers.

The colors are "better" in terms of off-angle accuracy and resistance to head-on crush, but not in terms of contrast.

The best IPS screens had polarizers to reduce IPS glow. Unfortunately, no one has making those anymore.

Some people dislike the strong "crystalline" matte coating of some IPS panels, so for them the colors are not better on such screens:

http://www.overclockers.ru/images...ct_big.jpg

Others dislike the effect of glare on glossy or semi-gloss panels, so for them the colors are not better on such screens.

nobody mentioned a-mva. people assume TN.

mtgredline 02-23-2013 09:36 AM

Thanks! Ordered one. Been on the fence of switching to IPS for a long time, watched and read a lot of comparison between the TN(what I'm using now) and IPS. I know I will not be disappointed.

dphawk 02-23-2013 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cohplacebo (Post 57741762)
Can anyone comment on the anti-glare coating and glow issues when directly facing the monitor? I am a video / photo editor and am concerned with eye strain. Also a gamer, any ghosting issues?

I love it for gaming.

Don't do any video work, so I cannot speak to it from that POV, but the anti-glare does not bother me at all.

jbrown7815 02-23-2013 04:37 PM

orderd one, thanks. Makes my setup complete, 2 U2410's :D

jbrown7815 02-23-2013 04:40 PM

:mad: Paid for 2 day shipping and it says it wont get here till March 4th :ugh:

superstition 02-23-2013 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fyu (Post 57776082)
nobody mentioned a-mva.

I did, more than once.

fyu 02-23-2013 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by superstition (Post 57786068)
I did, more than once.

and I quoted you?

Sammich 02-23-2013 07:43 PM

I recently purchased the Dell U2713HM 27" but noticed the blacks arent very crisp. Ill have half a white screen and half black and the white bleeds into the black area making it look almost grey or very washed out black.

Can anyone tell me if this is something related to ALL Dell displays? Or just the model I purchased? I am considering returning that display for this one instead to save a few hundred bucks as the extra few inches doesnt seem that big of a deal to me.

But if this display is as washed out as the other I might as well not bother. Id appreciate opinions on this.

Larron 02-23-2013 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sammich (Post 57786564)
I recently purchased the Dell U2713HM 27" but noticed the blacks arent very crisp. Ill have half a white screen and half black and the white bleeds into the black area making it look almost grey or very washed out black.

Can anyone tell me if this is something related to ALL Dell displays? Or just the model I purchased? I am considering returning that display for this one instead to save a few hundred bucks as the extra few inches doesnt seem that big of a deal to me.

But if this display is as washed out as the other I might as well not bother. Id appreciate opinions on this.

No, that is not typical at all.

First try all the adjustments, starting with a reset to factory defaults.

You may want to try a different cable. You're using DVI or Displayport? If you're using HDMI, that may be your problem. Most video cards can't drive the native resolution of this monitor through HDMI. If you're using VGA, well, you need a new computer.

If none of that works, get a warranty replacement.

Sammich 02-23-2013 08:15 PM

[QUOTE]You're using DVI or Displayport?/QUOTE]

Ive tried both without a noticeable affect. Ill try factory reset although its brand new so Im not sure what it would change, Ill give it a go. Thank you for the info and sorry to thread jack.

mitul2288 02-23-2013 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by zhopa (Post 57745024)
Wooty is apparently no better at grammar as he is at math. It's "cinemas", not "cinema's".

You have to forgive him, he is too good to care about math, grammar or money. Buying Apple allows you a free pass on those.

Larron 02-23-2013 08:33 PM

[QUOTE=Sammich;57787024]
Quote:


Ive tried both without a noticeable affect. Ill try factory reset although its brand new so Im not sure what it would change, Ill give it a go. Thank you for the info and sorry to thread jack.
If you have a different computer, try that.

Definitely take a look through the Dell forums. They have a section for monitors. The experts hang out there may be familiar with your issue.

superstition 02-24-2013 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by fyu (Post 57786110)
and I quoted you?

:rolleyes:


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