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yuugotserved 02-22-2013 10:17 AM

Canon EOS 6D 20.2MP DSLR Camera with 24-105mm f/4L IS USM Lens + 40mm f/2.8 Pancake Lens + 70-300mm Lens $2637 + Free Shipping
 
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Canon EOS 6D 20.2 DSLR Camera with 24-105mm f/4L IS USM Lens + 40mm f/2.8 Pancake Lens + 70-300mm Lens
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  3. Scroll down and click on the bullet for 40mm + 70-300mm Lens
  4. Add to cart
  5. Total should be $2637 with free shipping

brisar 02-22-2013 10:17 AM

Canon EOS 6D 20.2MP DSLR Camera with 24-105mm f/4L IS USM Lens + 40mm f/2.8 Pancake Lens + 70-300mm Lens $2637 + Free Shipping
 
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Adorama.com has Canon EOS 6D 20.2MP DSLR Camera with 24-105mm f/4L IS USM Lens + 40mm f/2.8 Pancake Lens + 70-300mm Lens for $2637 with free shipping. Thanks yuugotserved
  1. Click here
  2. Click on the "Buy Together and Save - Save up to $230 with bundle" link
  3. Scroll down and click on the bullet for 40mm + 70-300mm Lens
  4. Add to cart
  5. Total should be $2637 with free shipping
Hands on Review from Engadget

jdramirez 02-22-2013 10:33 AM

nicepackage, goodvalue.

SIR_of_Cricket 02-22-2013 10:34 AM

the is a good price considering no CA tax..... pretty good overall package (some CB and 2% rewards)

Approx. resale value in my area

70-300 - 350
40 mm - 140
24-105 - 750 (i'd keep this)

575rider 02-22-2013 10:38 AM

Muy bien.

iwc5002 02-22-2013 10:44 AM

why is there NO free shipping for 70-300mm lens????

intence01 02-22-2013 10:51 AM

VERY GOOD Deal!

I'd agree on keeping the 24-105mm F4L. Even the 40mm f2.8 is quite sharp. Let's say you sold ALL the lenses, using what I feel is conservative pricing:

$2637 minus
$750 - 24-105mm
$300 - 70-300mm
$100 - 40mm

That puts the body around $1487, UNDER $1500!!!!

yuugotserved 02-22-2013 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iwc5002 (Post 57760800)
why is there NO free shipping for 70-300mm lens????


shipping is free for the bundle. are you trying to purchase the 70-300mm alone?

SIR_of_Cricket 02-22-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by yuugotserved (Post 57761146)
shipping is free for the bundle. are you trying to purchase the 70-300mm alone?

fixed...:D thanks

yuugotserved 02-22-2013 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolblues (Post 57761226)
OP it's not.. there's a 4.79 shipping charge


Thanks, i'll look into it. :)

andriykoua 02-22-2013 11:18 AM

I wonder if BuyDIg will match this price.

Dacoycoy 02-22-2013 11:20 AM

shipping at 6.95 for me. good deal !

deal-steal 02-22-2013 11:21 AM

i feel that this is THE deal for my 6D

notaxstate 02-22-2013 11:21 AM

Sometimes I feel letting my 5D Mark III body go in favor of 6D for size, but I know deep inside of me that is not a good decision.

If I hadn't jumped gun last year in crazy Amazon 5D Mark III thanksgiving sale, I'd have opted for 6D.

andriykoua 02-22-2013 11:21 AM

guys, adorama charges sales tax only to NY?

sdealer114 02-22-2013 11:22 AM

Been watching for this for a while. How is 70-300 zoom lens IQ ?

SinceCCF 02-22-2013 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andriykoua (Post 57761686)
guys, adorama charges sales tax only to ny?

nj/ny

zc8 02-22-2013 11:23 AM

very good deal. One question, what is a good replacement for the 24-105 lens?
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Originally Posted by coolblues (Post 57760514)
the is a good price considering no CA tax..... pretty good overall package (some CB and 2% rewards)

Approx. resale value in my area

70-300 - 350
40 mm - 140
24-105 - 750 (i'd keep this)


Amaylin 02-22-2013 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zc8 (Post 57761734)
very good deal. One question, what is a good replacement for the 24-105 lens?

24-70mm

reevo 02-22-2013 11:31 AM

any cashback deals... to make it sweet

yuugotserved 02-22-2013 11:43 AM

Shipping is now free. thanks brisar

andriykoua 02-22-2013 11:53 AM

f tax kills the deal

WhitePhantom 02-22-2013 11:54 AM

+ Get 2% reward from adorama.com
You can get a decent bag with that

BeLiEvE0101 02-22-2013 11:54 AM

THOU SHALT NOT TEMPT ME, FF CAMERAS.

My 7D is getting a bit long in the tooth in terms of high ISO perf....wow, this deal is so tempting.

mchan77 02-22-2013 12:09 PM

yay! i've been waiting for a deal like this. I bit. Hopefully I can get decent prices for the extra lenses.

solarwind 02-22-2013 12:10 PM

Does this have an oil leaking problem on the sensor like the Nikon D600 full-frame camera?* Thanks.

* = One of the reasons why I'm sticking with a non-full framed crop sensor camera.

preppyak 02-22-2013 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdealer114 (Post 57761710)
Been watching for this for a while. How is 70-300 zoom lens IQ ?

On full-frame, not that great. Sell it and get the 70-200 f/4 non-IS instead.

http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos...ff?start=1

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Originally Posted by solarwind (Post 57763018)
Does this have an oil leaking problem on the sensor like the Nikon D600 full-frame camera?* Thanks.

* = One of the reasons why I'm sticking with a non-full framed crop sensor camera.

No, not that I've seen. And, that's not an issue specific to full-frame cameras; it's just a bad design flaw

spurs 02-22-2013 12:14 PM

why people not recommend this camera over 5D?

BigCTM 02-22-2013 12:22 PM

Get a free extra year warranty too if you are a member of their VIP program.

gqvisionz 02-22-2013 12:35 PM

this deal is tempting me to switch over..

GoatSaver 02-22-2013 12:36 PM

Achtung! I can't decide. Good deal for sure, can't see myself selling any of the lenses, maybe the pancake...

vagabond79 02-22-2013 12:44 PM

In for 3.

impsteven 02-22-2013 12:53 PM

Tempting..

tigerbalm 02-22-2013 12:56 PM

Great deal! Too bad I already switched from Canon to Nikon when the D600 Adorama deal came out. If I still had my 5DM2 I'd be all over this.

rustum 02-22-2013 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intence01 (Post 57760994)
VERY GOOD Deal!

I'd agree on keeping the 24-105mm F4L. Even the 40mm f2.8 is quite sharp. Let's say you sold ALL the lenses, using what I feel is conservative pricing:

$2637 minus
$750 - 24-105mm
$300 - 70-300mm
$100 - 40mm

That puts the body around $1487, UNDER $1500!!!!

FF for $1500 is very tempting. I just invested in t3i, kit lens and sigma 30mm. May be it is true early to get rid of them and move to FF. I need to learn about raw shooting first.

MSP 02-22-2013 01:04 PM

This might be the best deal on a 6D so far. Thanks!

plasnu 02-22-2013 01:11 PM

NY residence. TAX kills the deal....

kahluatex 02-22-2013 01:17 PM

FWIW, the last page from the in-depth review over at DPReview [dpreview.com]:

Conclusion - Pros

Excellent detail in raw file output across ISO range
Class-leading low light focus sensitivity (from central AF point)
Very effective JPEG noise reduction at highest ISO sensitivities
Impressively quiet 'silent' shutter drive mode
Quick Control menu provides easy access to shooting settings
Wi-Fi-enabled remote camera control via smartphone or tablet
Effective and easy to use multi-exposure HDR mode
Built-in GPS with text log capability
Exposure simulation in live view can be toggled on and off
Full manual control in video mode
Choice of IPB and All-I video compression modes
In-camera Raw conversion
Good battery life (except when GPS and Wi-Fi are turned on)
High quality bundled raw converter (Digital Photo Professional)


Conclusion - Cons

JPEG engine struggles with low-contrast fine detail at low ISO sensitivities
Low density 11 point autofocus array with only one cross-type AF point
Single card slot (SD)
Slow burst rate compared to its full frame peers
Cannot configure common live view and movie mode options independently
Video output prone to moiré artifacts
Slightly lower resolution than all of its full frame peers
HDR mode is JPEG-only (unlike the 5D Mark III)
Awkward placement of DOF preview button for portrait orientation shooting
No built-in flash, so external controller required for shooting with groups of flashguns
Relatively unsophisticated Auto ISO
Monoaural microphone
No headphone jack for audio monitoring
Currently no uncompressed video output option (as found in its rivals)
Significant battery drain over time when GPS and Wi-Fi are turned on


Overall conclusion

The EOS 6D is Canon's attempt to entice DSLR owners who are looking for the benefits of full frame shooting - including shallower depth of field and wider-angle lens coverage, but can't afford the EOS 5D Mark III. Naturally though, Canon doesn't want to risk losing sales of the EOS 5D Mark III, and achieving these sometimes conflicting aims inevitably means that some hard choices had to be made in order to create an 'affordable' full frame EOS camera in the 6D.

Let's be clear, the EOS 6D has a lot more going for it than just its comparatively low price tag. Based largely on the well thought-out ergonomics and operational handling of the popular EOS 60D, this newest full frame EOS provides solid build quality and light weight in a snappy, responsive camera powered by the same DIGIC 5+ image processor found in the 5D Mark III and the dual-chipped EOS 1D X.

The 6D also sports features that even those higher-end models cannot match. You get class-leading low-light autofocusing capability with a very impressive -3 EV sensitivity (from the central AF point). The 6D also becomes the first full frame DSLR from any manufacturer with built-in Wi-Fi connectivity, a feature that is put to excellent use with a free Canon app - for Android and iOS devices - that provides live view-enabled remote camera control, exposure control and AF lock. Throw in an internal GPS unit and you've got a camera that provides features that are of real, practical use to a wide range of photographers.

The 6D inherits a number of features from the EOS 5D Mark III as well. Yet it is with several of these features that compromises will have to be made for those looking for a budget-conscious option to that higher-priced camera. The 6D offers identical video specifications, including an 'All-I' compression option and manual sound controls, yet the camera lacks a headphone jack for audio monitoring. The 6D's multi-exposure HDR mode is a quick, easy way to capture extended highlight and shadow detail, yet it is offered here as a JPEG-only mode, whereas the 5D Mark III can save the individual Raw format images used to create it as well.

Low-light focusing ability aside, the 6D offers the least sophisticated AF system of any full frame model on the market. A meager 11 point AF array, confined to a relatively small amount of viewfinder real estate, with only a single cross-type sensor, is then paired with a pedestrian shooting rate of well under 5 fps, putting the camera at a noticeable disadvantage even for those who only occasionally shoot action or sports.


Image Quality

The EOD 6D delivers default color and contrast that is typical of enthusiast EOS cameras. This is of course no bad thing, and its evaluative metering system produces well-judged exposures. Auto White Balance consistently gives realistic results, struggling somewhat only in very warmly lit low light scenes. And Canon's noise reduction algorithms provide an impressive balance between preserving image detail in organic fine textures and noise suppression at the 6D's highest ISOs. Measured noise levels from the 6D are similar to the older 5D Mark III at low to medium ISO settings but consistently lower above ISO 3200, which does make a difference in real-world use when it comes to high ISO shooting in marginal light.

The JPEG dynamic range performance of the 6D places it comfortably alongside its peers, and is in fact essentially identical to the 5D Mark III with about four stops of highlight information above middle gray. Built-in lens corrections do an excellent job of controlling vignetting and greatly minimize CA even in the more extreme examples we encountered.

Canon's familiar Picture Style options offer the ability to tweak not only color response but sharpness, contrast and saturation settings on the fly. Of course you'll have access to more options and greater image quality by processing Raw images, whether in Canon's fully-featured Digital Photo Professional software or in your preferred third party application.

The 6D produces perfectly acceptable video output - with good colors and saturation - for users who just want to document moments and events for personal use. And the camera's low-light high ISO performance is impressive as well. Videographers, however, will be loath to even consider a camera with such pronounced aliasing artifacts including moiré patterning. This is by far the biggest distinction in output - stills or video - between the 6D and the 5D Mark III.


Handling

When coming up with new products, especially new mid-range and high-end EOS DSLRs, Canon tends not to stray too far away from well-established handling and ergonomic principles. And the 6D continues that trend, with a form factor and external control layout very clearly derived from the EOS 60D. In fact, placing the two cameras side by side, the only visually obvious distinction is the 6D's slightly taller viewfinder hump necessitated by the camera's full frame (versus APS-C) sensor, and of course the articulated rear LCD of the EOS 60D.

The 6D is a responsive camera, whether you're navigating menus or adjusting camera settings. A sufficiently deep hand-grip allows for comfortable hand-holding with moderate range L-series zoom lenses. And for those looking for more heft and/or ergonomics geared for portrait-oriented shooting, Canon of course offers an optional battery grip, the BGE-13. Speaking of batteries, its worth noting that the 6D uses the same lithium-ion model found in Canon's 5D (II and III versions), 60D and 7D cameras, helpfully allowing owners of those cameras to avoid having to buy a whole new set of spares.

Out of the box, the 6D provides well-considered operational controls that will be immediately familiar to any previous EOS owner. Yet for those who like to customize their camera's operation, the 6D allows you to reconfigure a number of its buttons, adjust tracking sensitivity, and perform micro AF adjustments for specific lens/body combinations.

The Final Word

The EOS 6D ticks off many of the things an APS-C DSLR owner could want in a full frame upgrade: great image quality, excellent handling, light weight and a sub-$2100 price tag. The challenge for Canon, of course is that the 6D does not exist in a vacuum. It faces very stiff competition from the Nikon D600, which for the same price boasts a slightly higher resolution sensor, a more robust AF system, dual card slots, built-in flash (which can act as a wireless flash commander) and weather-sealing comparable to the much more expensive Nikon D800.

That's not to say that the EOS 6D is an entirely uninspiring product by comparison. Landscape and nature photographers could benefit greatly from advantages the 6D brings to the table, including remote control from your smartphone and GPS image tagging. The connectivity options provided by the EOS 6D are very impressive overall, and we're sure that whatever they take pictures of, some photographers will find them very compelling. In terms of core photographic specifications, concert and event shooters will enjoy the ability to autofocus in extremely low light and the impressively quiet shutter release is tailor-made for the needs of wedding and event photographers.

If you're an EOS shooter eyeing the 6D as a more affordable alternative to the 5D Mark III, even as a second backup body, Canon has made your decision fairly straightforward. Still image quality aside, the concessions you're forced to make for the significant cost savings are substantial. A slower burst rate, less sophisticated AF system with smaller coverage area, and moiré-prone video headline the list of compromises. And while we can understand Canon's desire to keep the camera's price down, other seemingly arbitrary decisions, like the inability to save HDR raw images and a DOF preview button whose location is much less useful than it could be, smack solely of product differentiation.

While the 6D is certainly capable of delivering wonderful images with a minimum of fuss, we can't help feeling that Canon's compromises have turned what could have a been a truly great camera into merely a very good one. This places our highest award ever so slightly beyond the reach of the EOS 6D, but Canon's latest

kfunk7 02-22-2013 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vagabond79 (Post 57763928)
In for 3.

new troll in town

Qson 02-22-2013 01:24 PM

Dang. If I didn't already have a 6D, I would be all over this.

jrbdmb 02-22-2013 01:27 PM

If Adorama would just sell the body only for $1500 then I'd be all over this - not interested in selling three unneeded lenses.

IMHO I think the 6D is going to settle around $1600. With package deals like this we may not be far off prom that price.

intence01 02-22-2013 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustum (Post 57764410)
FF for $1500 is very tempting. I just invested in t3i, kit lens and sigma 30mm. May be it is true early to get rid of them and move to FF. I need to learn about raw shooting first.

It's not any harder to learn on a 6D, and raw files are just files that don't have all the settings applied to them yet (white balance, how the image is rendered, etc.), when you import into something like Lightroom you can apply the default "Camera Standard, Portrait" etc. and more or less have jpeg like-output, or you can tweak.

They're both very capable cameras, and the T3i can also product fantastic images. The 6D will have better low-light abilities though.

crimson773 02-22-2013 01:40 PM

to sell my 5dii or not to sell my 5dii...

intence01 02-22-2013 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crimson773 (Post 57765384)
to sell my 5dii or not to sell my 5dii...

You're gaining *very* slightly better sensor quality, but losing build quality on the body. Losing max shutter speed.

Gaining WiFi/GPS

For me, the biggest problem with the 5Dii is AF. The 6D is supposed to be better, but IMO I can't see it being leaps-and-bounds better with 11pt and 1 cross-type sensor.

You're moving from an older Semi-Pro body to a newer prosumer body. I'd either wait for a 5D3 deal where you'll really gain useful features, or spend the money on lenses. 5D2 to 6D seems like it's more trouble than it's worth. Just my opinion though.

Vh2101 02-22-2013 03:15 PM

Will amazon price match?

rustum 02-22-2013 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intence01 (Post 57765108)
It's not any harder to learn on a 6D, and raw files are just files that don't have all the settings applied to them yet (white balance, how the image is rendered, etc.), when you import into something like Lightroom you can apply the default "Camera Standard, Portrait" etc. and more or less have jpeg like-output, or you can tweak.

They're both very capable cameras, and the T3i can also product fantastic images. The 6D will have better low-light abilities though.

Thanks for the information. Already committed money into t3i and EFS lens (55-250 and 30mm 1.4). I will spend some time learning photography with existing gear. By the time 6D II release, i will be ready for plunge.

SoCalTiger68 02-22-2013 03:33 PM

OMG this is such a good deal!

intence01 02-22-2013 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustum (Post 57767532)
Thanks for the information. Already committed money into t3i and EFS lens (55-250 and 30mm 1.4). I will spend some time learning photography with existing gear. By the time 6D II release, i will be ready for plunge.

Nah, you'll step up to 5D3 :)

The T3i is very capable, the only downside is low light capability. If I were in your position right now, instead of going to the 6D, I'd get a few more prime lenses. 30mm Sigma is VERY capable, I'd pick up the 85mm f1.8 or 100mm f2 as both are very sharp and AF very quickly and are great for portraits, and then maybe 50mm 1.8 or 1.4. You're pretty much covered with that combo on a T3i (assuming you have the kit lens for shooting wide) as you have the 18-55mm, 55-250mm (also very capable for it's price) and 30mm, 50mm, and 85mm primes.

Lenses tend to retain their value pretty well over time, bodies depreciate far more quickly, so you probably made a good choice by keeping the T3i for now.

l3db3tt3r 02-22-2013 03:55 PM

First Camera 'Purchase'

I've been borrowing my fathers t2i and lenses for some time now. It has gotten me through a couple photography college courses and several Graphic Design projects. I'm interested in making the next step. Is this a good full frame entree? Considering I haven't anything invested into EF-S lenses. The 5D Mark III is a dream away, should my photography take off. and having no loss in investment for lenses...

Thanks

AkumaX 02-22-2013 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crimson773 (Post 57765384)
to sell my 5dii or not to sell my 5dii...

in the same boat..

Quote:

Originally Posted by intence01 (Post 57767298)
You're gaining *very* slightly better sensor quality, but losing build quality on the body. Losing max shutter speed.

Gaining WiFi/GPS

For me, the biggest problem with the 5Dii is AF. The 6D is supposed to be better, but IMO I can't see it being leaps-and-bounds better with 11pt and 1 cross-type sensor.

You're moving from an older Semi-Pro body to a newer prosumer body. I'd either wait for a 5D3 deal where you'll really gain useful features, or spend the money on lenses. 5D2 to 6D seems like it's more trouble than it's worth. Just my opinion though.

I thought the sensor would have been better? Also, ISO performance is at least 1-2 stops better, right?

Max shutter might be a deal breaker..

The Wifi iOS App could be an interesting gimmick.

--

Has anyone actually done a side-by-side comparison of the 5D2 vs 6D's AF?
I know the 1 x-point is pretty crappy, but I suppose you could just focus/recompose.
5D2's AF is still 5 years old (older if you consider it took a lot from 5Dc).
So I'm curious to see if 6D's 2012 AF is really that bad..

GTIMKV20 02-22-2013 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkumaX (Post 57768954)
Quote:

Originally Posted by crimson773 (Post 57765384)
to sell my 5dii or not to sell my 5dii...

in the same boat..

Quote:

Originally Posted by intence01 (Post 57767298)
You're gaining *very* slightly better sensor quality, but losing build quality on the body. Losing max shutter speed.

Gaining WiFi/GPS

For me, the biggest problem with the 5Dii is AF. The 6D is supposed to be better, but IMO I can't see it being leaps-and-bounds better with 11pt and 1 cross-type sensor.

You're moving from an older Semi-Pro body to a newer prosumer body. I'd either wait for a 5D3 deal where you'll really gain useful features, or spend the money on lenses. 5D2 to 6D seems like it's more trouble than it's worth. Just my opinion though.

I thought the sensor would have been better? Also, ISO performance is at least 1-2 stops better, right?

Max shutter might be a deal breaker..

The Wifi iOS App could be an interesting gimmick.

--

Has anyone actually done a side-by-side comparison of the 5D2 vs 6D's AF?
I know the 1 x-point is pretty crappy, but I suppose you could just focus/recompose.
5D2's AF is still 5 years old (older if you consider it took a lot from 5Dc).
So I'm curious to see if 6D's 2012 AF is really that bad..

If anyone wants to unload the 24-120mm lens PM me please!!!

donotcry 02-22-2013 08:46 PM

Where is the adorama 2% reward?

stasis 02-22-2013 08:51 PM

Why is the 6D considered as an "enthusiast" camera while the 5D as a "professional" camera? I thought its the opposite. I need a replacement for my 20D :)

intence01 02-22-2013 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stasis (Post 57772744)
Why is the 6D considered as an "enthusiast" camera while the 5D as a "professional" camera? I thought its the opposite. I need a replacement for my 20D :)

Mainly build quality and a few "features". The 6D is much newer but appears to be built on the 60D type platform (although it still apparently has a mostly magnesium alloy body). It believe it has slightly fewer dedicated buttons than the 5D2 and also doesn't have the joystick control. Shutter speed and flash sync I believe are both slower. The 6D uses SD cards while the higher end cameras use compact flash which may not offer any real advantages to the latest SDs except being bigger and more expensive.

Many of these features were present on the 7D which was a very well built (although aps-c) camera.

In the end I believe they're fairly minor complaints. My personal biggest gripes with the 6D are the poor AF system (single cross sensor, really? Again?) as its arguably poorer than 7D, 60D and even t4i which all now use all cross-type sensors. Single card slot is another let down as is the lack of a 100% viewfinder. These may not be deal breakers for everyone though. Personally I would rather have had all of the above instead of wifi and GPS, but that's me, for others different features may be important.

In the end, it's a $2100 camera with a lot of shortcomings. At $1500 after you factor in the lenses it's a totally different story! Nikon's D600 isn't perfect either, as I suspect both nikon and canon made compromises so come in at a certain budget and to not cannibilize sales of the 5D3 and D800.

At release the 6D was going for full price while the 5D3 had dropped to a street price of 2800-2900. Which to me makes the 6D quite in attractive. At the sale prices we've been seeing its a very good deal!

GoatSaver 02-22-2013 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by intence01 (Post 57773676)
Mainly build quality and a few "features". The 6D is much newer but appears to be built on the 60D type platform (although it still apparently has a mostly magnesium alloy body). It believe it has slightly fewer dedicated buttons than the 5D2 and also doesn't have the joystick control. Shutter speed and flash sync I believe are both slower. The 6D uses SD cards while the higher end cameras use compact flash which may not offer any real advantages to the latest SDs except being bigger and more expensive.

Many of these features were present on the 7D which was a very well built (although aps-c) camera.

In the end I believe they're fairly minor complaints. My personal biggest gripes with the 6D are the poor AF system (single cross sensor, really? Again?) as its arguably poorer than 7D, 60D and even t4i which all now use all cross-type sensors. Single card slot is another let down as is the lack of a 100% viewfinder. These may not be deal breakers for everyone though. Personally I would rather have had all of the above instead of wifi and GPS, but that's me, for others different features may be important.

In the end, it's a $2100 camera with a lot of shortcomings. At $1500 after you factor in the lenses it's a totally different story! Nikon's D600 isn't perfect either, as I suspect both nikon and canon made compromises so come in at a certain budget and to not cannibilize sales of the 5D3 and D800.

At release the 6D was going for full price while the 5D3 had dropped to a street price of 2800-2900. Which to me makes the 6D quite in attractive. At the sale prices we've been seeing its a very good deal!

The thumbstick kind of just migrated to inside the dial, it's dial, directional control, and 'set' button all in that one area instead of dial/set in one spot and directional in another, I'm sure it takes some getting used to.

The 5D3 uses CF and SD, I'm still shooting my trusty 20D so a single card slot doesn't seem like a downside, and SD speeds and capacities seem up to snuff these days. From what I've gathered the 6D is a step up from the 5D2 on most fronts, though not a big one. The complaints I've read mostly seem to be a wishlist of features the 6D could have had, but, like you, most people seem to concede that for the money it's a pretty fine camera. I'm still waffling on this deal

Tike71 02-22-2013 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intence01 (Post 57773676)
Mainly build quality and a few "features". The 6D is much newer but appears to be built on the 60D type platform (although it still apparently has a mostly magnesium alloy body). It believe it has slightly fewer dedicated buttons than the 5D2 and also doesn't have the joystick control. Shutter speed and flash sync I believe are both slower. The 6D uses SD cards while the higher end cameras use compact flash which may not offer any real advantages to the latest SDs except being bigger and more expensive.

Many of these features were present on the 7D which was a very well built (although aps-c) camera.

In the end I believe they're fairly minor complaints. My personal biggest gripes with the 6D are the poor AF system (single cross sensor, really? Again?) as its arguably poorer than 7D, 60D and even t4i which all now use all cross-type sensors. Single card slot is another let down as is the lack of a 100% viewfinder. These may not be deal breakers for everyone though. Personally I would rather have had all of the above instead of wifi and GPS, but that's me, for others different features may be important.

In the end, it's a $2100 camera with a lot of shortcomings. At $1500 after you factor in the lenses it's a totally different story! Nikon's D600 isn't perfect either, as I suspect both nikon and canon made compromises so come in at a certain budget and to not cannibilize sales of the 5D3 and D800.

At release the 6D was going for full price while the 5D3 had dropped to a street price of 2800-2900. Which to me makes the 6D quite in attractive. At the sale prices we've been seeing its a very good deal!

Just the post I needed to read for me to continue springing for the 5d III. This is still a very good deal nonetheless. I'm still using a classic 5d with an extreme desire to upgrade.

AkumaX 02-22-2013 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intence01 (Post 57773676)
Mainly build quality and a few "features". The 6D is much newer but appears to be built on the 60D type platform (although it still apparently has a mostly magnesium alloy body). It believe it has slightly fewer dedicated buttons than the 5D2 and also doesn't have the joystick control. Shutter speed and flash sync I believe are both slower. The 6D uses SD cards while the higher end cameras use compact flash which may not offer any real advantages to the latest SDs except being bigger and more expensive.

Many of these features were present on the 7D which was a very well built (although aps-c) camera.

In the end I believe they're fairly minor complaints. My personal biggest gripes with the 6D are the poor AF system (single cross sensor, really? Again?) as its arguably poorer than 7D, 60D and even t4i which all now use all cross-type sensors. Single card slot is another let down as is the lack of a 100% viewfinder. These may not be deal breakers for everyone though. Personally I would rather have had all of the above instead of wifi and GPS, but that's me, for others different features may be important.

In the end, it's a $2100 camera with a lot of shortcomings. At $1500 after you factor in the lenses it's a totally different story! Nikon's D600 isn't perfect either, as I suspect both nikon and canon made compromises so come in at a certain budget and to not cannibilize sales of the 5D3 and D800.

At release the 6D was going for full price while the 5D3 had dropped to a street price of 2800-2900. Which to me makes the 6D quite in attractive. At the sale prices we've been seeing its a very good deal!

I want to say that even though SD cards are much faster nowadays (with UHS-I, reaching 45MB/s+), none of the Canon DSLR's can attain those speeds, because they do not implement the UHS-I Speed Class 1 protocols.
They will perform in backwards compatibility SD Spec 2.0 Mode (Class 2/4/6/10), and generally will only reach about 20-25MB/s write.
Compact Flash, however...

e-powersellers 02-23-2013 06:16 AM

I actually got my 6D on Tuesday, I had a fall on Saturday and damaged my other DSLR and it's at Canon now getting fixed. This is a much better deal that I got since you can sell the extra lenses. I kept the 24-105 L F/4 but would sell the other two as I have prime or L glass to cover those spots. I read 50 reviews before deciding. I was going back and forth on the 5D Mark III vs the 6D and besides the huge price difference HUGE PRICE DIFFERENCE even between a new 6D and a refurb MIII the average photographer won't see a 1% difference. Most websites don't or wont' show a photo side/side as they said there is no difference. The new electronics explain why the sensor change. Maybe if you're out in Africa trying to catch a race between a jaguar and a gazelle the 5D III would be a tiny bit better. However for portrait, boudoir, families, babies, etc.. whatever you shoot, you're fine. I do mostly boudoir and portrait (conciergephoto) but now doing some local nightclub stuff for marketing (see events) and need a lower light camera. The 6D is a -3EV where the Mark III is -2EV so here it beats out the Mark III. Just my 2.5cents.

kevindar 02-23-2013 06:57 AM

This is a very nice deal, b/c its a great full frame initial setup. this is the set up that I would recommend to anyone starting with canon full frame.
the 24-105 is a reasonably small lens (much smaller than 24-70), which makes a great walk around/ travel lens. the 40 stm is super small and fantastically sharp, and the 70-300 IS lens is one of the best consumer grade zoom lenses (if not the best) that canon makes. I have owned all three lenses, though I no longer own the 70-300. However I found it to be very very good, esp for the price.

birch97 02-23-2013 08:37 AM

This is an excellent deal.
Compared to the 5D Mark iii I do not feel the 5D is worth the extra $1K.
The only features I would miss (but could live without considering the cost savings) are the 100% viewfinder, lack of dual memory cards [the the 5D 's dual isn't the greatest either as its not two SD cards, so that's kind if a wash - Nikon wins there], moire present on 6D video - this can be a deal breaker if you do lots of video work,

Other then that you have a less durable & less weather sealed body - just be careful not to drop it or take it out in precipitation - to me this is actually a plus as it equals a smaller, lighter, more portable camera in the 6D.
Less auto focus points - not a big deal unless your photographing fast moving things.

The image sensor is the same for both cameras so the images should look the same (minus 2 megapixels smaller)

One note, & I have no idea why, but the 6D seems to perform slightly better in low light.

ifi 02-23-2013 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stasis (Post 57772744)
Why is the 6D considered as an "enthusiast" camera while the 5D as a "professional" camera? I thought its the opposite. I need a replacement for my 20D :)

Neither are professional cameras.

Unless of course you are getting paid for your work :)

microtough 02-23-2013 11:06 AM

6D vs 5D Mark III
 
Copy and Paste from Ken Rockwell's review:

"For most people who don't need the second card slot for backup, the 6D replaces the world-best 5D Mark III, and even improves on what was the already world's best DSLR ergonomics in some ways.

The 6D betters the 5D Mark III because the PLAY and ZOOM buttons are now where we can hit them with our shooting thumb. No longer are they on the wrong side, demanding a second hand, as they are on the 5D Mark III (I program my 5D Mark III to work around this).

All the Auto ISO options (and pretty much everything) are the same as the 5D Mark III. The LCD lacks auto brightness control, and it otherwise the same awesome screen: the best in any DSLR.

The 6D is just as toughly built as the 5D Mark III, just a little smaller, a little lighter and a lot less expensive. The 6D's AF system is the better, simpler 9-point one from the earlier cameras. It just goes!

The 6D adds GPS and Wi-Fi over the 5D Mark III.

Thus the 6D handles and feels just like the 5D Mark III (with a few improvements), has the same great LCD (just imperceptibly smaller) and tech image quality, and costs a whole lot less."

rustum 02-23-2013 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-powersellers (Post 57776142)
I actually got my 6D on Tuesday, I had a fall on Saturday and damaged my other DSLR and it's at Canon now getting fixed. This is a much better deal that I got since you can sell the extra lenses. I kept the 24-105 L F/4 but would sell the other two as I have prime or L glass to cover those spots. I read 50 reviews before deciding. I was going back and forth on the 5D Mark III vs the 6D and besides the huge price difference HUGE PRICE DIFFERENCE even between a new 6D and a refurb MIII the average photographer won't see a 1% difference. Most websites don't or wont' show a photo side/side as they said there is no difference. The new electronics explain why the sensor change. Maybe if you're out in Africa trying to catch a race between a jaguar and a gazelle the 5D III would be a tiny bit better. However for portrait, boudoir, families, babies, etc.. whatever you shoot, you're fine. I do mostly boudoir and portrait (conciergephoto) but now doing some local nightclub stuff for marketing (see events) and need a lower light camera. The 6D is a -3EV where the Mark III is -2EV so here it beats out the Mark III. Just my 2.5cents.

Which focus point (center or top) do you use to shoot portraits? I always ends up using top focus point in order to fit portrait to the top. But, t3i top focus point is weak in low light compared to center.

rustum 02-23-2013 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkumaX (Post 57768954)
in the same boat..



I thought the sensor would have been better? Also, ISO performance is at least 1-2 stops better, right?

Max shutter might be a deal breaker..

The Wifi iOS App could be an interesting gimmick.

--

Has anyone actually done a side-by-side comparison of the 5D2 vs 6D's AF?
I know the 1 x-point is pretty crappy, but I suppose you could just focus/recompose.
5D2's AF is still 5 years old (older if you consider it took a lot from 5Dc).
So I'm curious to see if 6D's 2012 AF is really that bad..

Can you give me some more info on this focus and recompose technique.

birch97 02-23-2013 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustum (Post 57779856)
Can you give me some more info on this focus and recompose technique.

I'm assuming he means that say a camera only had 1 focus point in the center but the subject you want in focus is in the left hand corner of the photo. Then you would have to center on that area with the camera, half press the photo button to focus on that area then move the camera to how you actually want to frame things and actually take the photo

If that made any sense

DocMo 02-23-2013 01:00 PM

:rock: Ken Rockwell! :rock:

Eh. Joking aside, here's some really good discussion for anybody who is debating between the 6D and the 5D Mark III. Note, that there's good points on each side, so it's up to each person to decide what's best for them: Flickr Discussion [flickr.com]

Here's another good discussion: CanonRumors Discussion [canonrumors.com]

Both discussions are quick reads and provide real user feedback on both bodies, in case anyone is interested.

OK, last one... Excellent discussion here as well: FM Discussion [fredmiranda.com]

Spend some time reading, buy with confidence, and spend much more time taking pictures!

LordZeppelin 02-23-2013 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intence01 (Post 57767298)
You're gaining *very* slightly better sensor quality, but losing build quality on the body. Losing max shutter speed.

Gaining WiFi/GPS

For me, the biggest problem with the 5Dii is AF. The 6D is supposed to be better, but IMO I can't see it being leaps-and-bounds better with 11pt and 1 cross-type sensor.

You're moving from an older Semi-Pro body to a newer prosumer body. I'd either wait for a 5D3 deal where you'll really gain useful features, or spend the money on lenses. 5D2 to 6D seems like it's more trouble than it's worth. Just my opinion though.

Have you actually used a 6D? The 6D is made from the same Mag-Alloy that the 5D2 is, and sealed too, hardly "prosumer". Only the top is plastic, for wifi/gps. If you haven't used the 6D, I can see the "on paper" opinion that the AF isn't leaps and bounds better, but in the real-world, it is. It's much faster, the phase detection is much more accurate, and the performance in low-light is sickeningly good. Sure, it's only 11-AF points, but I learned on a cam that had 3 AF points 16 years ago...so no prob for me. I also just stepped up from a T2i, as I'm an advanced hobbyist that gets paid for some photo work on the side here and there.

Being that the 5D2 is one of the best selling DSLRs ever made, and used by thousands of pros around the world, and the 6D is actually a better camera in almost every way, it's a decent upgrade for the low-light alone. If you're even doing as little as weddings or portraits on the side, it's worth it.

Who actually shoots 1/8000 anyways? Close the aperture a stop.

rustum 02-23-2013 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birch97 (Post 57780988)
I'm assuming he means that say a camera only had 1 focus point in the center but the subject you want in focus is in the left hand corner of the photo. Then you would have to center on that area with the camera, half press the photo button to focus on that area then move the camera to how you actually want to frame things and actually take the photo

If that made any sense

Isn't subject going to be OOS in that case.

AkumaX 02-23-2013 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustum (Post 57779856)
Can you give me some more info on this focus and recompose technique.

Starts @ 31 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siP1FZBiOuA#t=31

AkumaX 02-23-2013 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordZeppelin (Post 57781458)
Have you actually used a 6D? The 6D is made from the same Mag-Alloy that the 5D2 is, and sealed too, hardly "prosumer". Only the top is plastic, for wifi/gps. If you haven't used the 6D, I can see the "on paper" opinion that the AF isn't leaps and bounds better, but in the real-world, it is. It's much faster, the phase detection is much more accurate, and the performance in low-light is sickeningly good. Sure, it's only 11-AF points, but I learned on a cam that had 3 AF points 16 years ago...so no prob for me. I also just stepped up from a T2i, as I'm an advanced hobbyist that gets paid for some photo work on the side here and there.

Being that the 5D2 is one of the best selling DSLRs ever made, and used by thousands of pros around the world, and the 6D is actually a better camera in almost every way, it's a decent upgrade for the low-light alone. If you're even doing as little as weddings or portraits on the side, it's worth it.

Who actually shoots 1/8000 anyways? Close the aperture a stop.

Thanks for your input. Have you actually used a 6D? And maybe a 5D2 simultaneously?
I figure the 6D's 2012 AF should be better than the 5D2's 2008 AF (well, arguably similar enough to the 5D's 2005 AF ;))

edit: haha wow, I didn't know that the 5D2 also only had 1 cross-type point (center). Does that make it inferior to T4i / 60D as well :P

13entley 02-23-2013 01:54 PM

Thanks Yuugotserved! In for one

rustum 02-23-2013 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustum (Post 57781812)
Isn't subject going to be OOS in that case.

Thanks man. After the AF lock, Focus stays with subject even after recomposing the frame as long as subject is in the same plane. I should be able to take most of my shots with one shot option using center AF point.

AlwaysSaving 02-23-2013 02:44 PM

I was looking for a 5DMK3 but decided on the 6D because there's not much difference for the things I am shooting. I shoot people and I felt that this would be suffice for what I need. n41

Craig540 02-23-2013 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birch97 (Post 57780988)
I'm assuming he means that say a camera only had 1 focus point in the center but the subject you want in focus is in the left hand corner of the photo. Then you would have to center on that area with the camera, half press the photo button to focus on that area then move the camera to how you actually want to frame things and actually take the photo

If that made any sense


I do this all the time. You can program a button to just meter and focus, then recompose and shoot with the shutter button.
The shutter button is set to meter and shoot only, no focus.

fd3sgsxr 02-23-2013 06:27 PM

got one. Hopefully it doesnt take long to sell the lenses. so the body only for $1500.

stukovx 02-23-2013 08:28 PM

thanks, in for 1

LordZeppelin 02-23-2013 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkumaX (Post 57781960)
Thanks for your input. Have you actually used a 6D? And maybe a 5D2 simultaneously?
I figure the 6D's 2012 AF should be better than the 5D2's 2008 AF (well, arguably similar enough to the 5D's 2005 AF ;))

edit: haha wow, I didn't know that the 5D2 also only had 1 cross-type point (center). Does that make it inferior to T4i / 60D as well :P

Yup, I picked the 6D up in late December. Haven't used it Simultaneously with a 5D2, but I have used a 5D2.

AkumaX 02-23-2013 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordZeppelin (Post 57787468)
Yup, I picked the 6D up in late December. Haven't used it Simultaneously with a 5D2, but I have used a 5D2.

but you could definitely tell that the AF is/was better on the 6D?

Excelsius 02-23-2013 10:18 PM

Guys, Amazon has the kit for $2399. If you sell the 24-105mm lens for $800, the price will be about 1600. If you wanted to avoid the hassle of having to sell 3 lenses: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/...PDKIKX0DER

stukovx 02-23-2013 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Excelsius (Post 57788572)
Guys, Amazon has the kit for $2399. If you sell the 24-105mm lens for $800, the price will be about 1600. If you wanted to avoid the hassle of having to sell 3 lenses: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/...PDKIKX0DER


CA tax on Amazon makes it a worse deal for us here in CA

Excelsius 02-23-2013 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stukovx (Post 57788714)
CA tax on Amazon makes it a worse deal for us here in CA

Never mind, you're right. I placed my order through Adorama.

Thanks for the link, OP. If you guys have tips as to where is the best place to sell the lenses, let us know. I was thinking about Amazon.

Craig540 02-23-2013 10:50 PM

I ordered today. I will be keeping all except the 75-300 lens.
And selling my 60D, Hello full sensor.

eddie3dfx 02-24-2013 05:01 AM

40mm 2.8 and the 70-300 lenses on a 6d are like putting cheap tires on a ferrari.
It's an odd match.

fairytell 02-24-2013 05:48 AM

Found this on ebay. Sounds like a better deal? Not sure if buying from ebay is a good idea?

Canon EOS 6D Camera w/ 28-80 + 75-300mm 6 Lens Kit +32GB Flash Accessory Kit - $2490 (Free Shipping)

Link -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS...1958455%26

INCLUDED IN THE BOX:

EOS 6D Body
Eyecup
Wide Neck Strap
Stereo Video Cable
USB Interface Cable
Battery Pack
Battery Charger
Software Instruction Manual

Tamron AF 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical Lens is a standard zoom lens from a wide 28mm to a medium telephoto range of 80mm. The use of aspherical elements in the front group reduces the number of elements required. This lens cuts out unwanted glare and is great for outdoor photography.

Canon EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6 III Telephoto Zoom Lens is great for outdoor, sports, portraits and distance photography. Allows you to zoom in and never miss a shot.

Canon 50mm f/1.8 Lens is an excellent lens for people who prefer a fixed focal length. The lens provides an image that's extremely close to how your eye perceives a subject, making it excellent for portraits and images that require a natural depth of field, helping you take extreme close-ups. This lens offers an excellent color balance.

2x Telephoto Lens increases your zoom range by two times. Perfect for sporting events, distance, and outside shots.

Wide Angle Lens helps you create a curved effect or flat effect while zooming high image quality and speed. Great lens to use to photograph scenery.

500mm Super Telephoto Preset Lens is ideal for long distance shots. Camera lens is perfect for sports, nature and wildlife photography.

+1, +2, +4, +10 Close Up Macro Kit helps maintain resolution and picture clarity. Magnifying image size plus. Double-threaded allowing you to combine them to achieve increased magnification. Ideal for detailed shots on small items.

3 Piece Filter Kit

UV Filter protects your camera's lens from scratches, dust, dirt, moisture & fingerprints, while removing unwanted ultraviolet light. The UV Filter reduces blue hazed caused by UV light.

PL Filter deepens and intensifies blue skies, achieves vibrant colors and reduces glare and reflections from non-metallic objects and glass surfaces. A MUST for outdoor photography.

FLD Filter gives you the perfect solution for shooting without a flash under a fluorescent light. This filter gives true-to-life colors and pleasing skin tones by removing the harsh yellow-green cast created by flouriest lightning.

TWO (2) 16 GIG High Speed Memory Class 10 with high memory capacity and fast write speed, are geared for medium format and DSLR users shooting in RAW format.

Digital Pro Slave Flash with built in auto pre-flash sensor for red-eye reduction. Slave flash is automatically triggered when camera flash goes off. Slave flash eliminates shadows and is great for macro photography.

Full Size Professional Tripod securely holds your camera. Gives you the ability to shoot for hours. Includes tripod case.

Camera Backpack is a medium sized deluxe video and camera bag is the perfect complement to hold all your equipment. It has a limited lifetime warranty.

Camera Holster Case is water resistant. It has 3 outer Zipper pockets, 2 inner webbed pockets & 2 smaller pockets.

Vivitar 4 Piece Essential Kit includes a mini tripod, LCD screen cleaning cloth, cleaning liquid and screen protectors.

Memory Card Reader

Cap Keeper

fwhomi 02-24-2013 08:02 AM

Nope. The included lens are cheaper ones. The one I'd say is decent is the 50mm 1.8 which you can get for $90 on Cl. Bad resale values on the other lens.
Quote:

Originally Posted by fairytell (Post 57791008)
Found this on ebay. Sounds like a better deal? Not sure if buying from ebay is a good idea?

Canon EOS 6D Camera w/ 28-80 + 75-300mm 6 Lens Kit +32GB Flash Accessory Kit - $2490 (Free Shipping)

Link -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS...1958455%26

INCLUDED IN THE BOX:

EOS 6D Body
Eyecup
Wide Neck Strap
Stereo Video Cable
USB Interface Cable
Battery Pack
Battery Charger
Software Instruction Manual

Tamron AF 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical Lens is a standard zoom lens from a wide 28mm to a medium telephoto range of 80mm. The use of aspherical elements in the front group reduces the number of elements required. This lens cuts out unwanted glare and is great for outdoor photography.

Canon EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6 III Telephoto Zoom Lens is great for outdoor, sports, portraits and distance photography. Allows you to zoom in and never miss a shot.

Canon 50mm f/1.8 Lens is an excellent lens for people who prefer a fixed focal length. The lens provides an image that's extremely close to how your eye perceives a subject, making it excellent for portraits and images that require a natural depth of field, helping you take extreme close-ups. This lens offers an excellent color balance.

2x Telephoto Lens increases your zoom range by two times. Perfect for sporting events, distance, and outside shots.

Wide Angle Lens helps you create a curved effect or flat effect while zooming high image quality and speed. Great lens to use to photograph scenery.

500mm Super Telephoto Preset Lens is ideal for long distance shots. Camera lens is perfect for sports, nature and wildlife photography.

+1, +2, +4, +10 Close Up Macro Kit helps maintain resolution and picture clarity. Magnifying image size plus. Double-threaded allowing you to combine them to achieve increased magnification. Ideal for detailed shots on small items.

3 Piece Filter Kit

UV Filter protects your camera's lens from scratches, dust, dirt, moisture & fingerprints, while removing unwanted ultraviolet light. The UV Filter reduces blue hazed caused by UV light.

PL Filter deepens and intensifies blue skies, achieves vibrant colors and reduces glare and reflections from non-metallic objects and glass surfaces. A MUST for outdoor photography.

FLD Filter gives you the perfect solution for shooting without a flash under a fluorescent light. This filter gives true-to-life colors and pleasing skin tones by removing the harsh yellow-green cast created by flouriest lightning.

TWO (2) 16 GIG High Speed Memory Class 10 with high memory capacity and fast write speed, are geared for medium format and DSLR users shooting in RAW format.

Digital Pro Slave Flash with built in auto pre-flash sensor for red-eye reduction. Slave flash is automatically triggered when camera flash goes off. Slave flash eliminates shadows and is great for macro photography.

Full Size Professional Tripod securely holds your camera. Gives you the ability to shoot for hours. Includes tripod case.

Camera Backpack is a medium sized deluxe video and camera bag is the perfect complement to hold all your equipment. It has a limited lifetime warranty.

Camera Holster Case is water resistant. It has 3 outer Zipper pockets, 2 inner webbed pockets & 2 smaller pockets.

Vivitar 4 Piece Essential Kit includes a mini tripod, LCD screen cleaning cloth, cleaning liquid and screen protectors.

Memory Card Reader

Cap Keeper


LordZeppelin 02-24-2013 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkumaX (Post 57787598)
but you could definitely tell that the AF is/was better on the 6D?

Sorry my responses are slow. Haven't been online much this weekend.

Yes, the AF is much quicker to lock on, and the outer points are definitely more accurate. How much is relative to what you shoot, but it's definitely improved.

Craig540 02-24-2013 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddie3dfx (Post 57790734)
40mm 2.8 and the 70-300 lenses on a 6d are like putting cheap tires on a ferrari.
It's an odd match.

Yes your probably right, I should use the 24-105 @ 40 mm right ? I'm selling all except 6d and 24-105

Excelsius 02-24-2013 08:53 AM

Just for variety, refurbished Mark II for $1406: http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/...id=C126149

Excelsius 02-24-2013 09:02 AM

Lens recommendations:

Like some others in this forum, this is my first full frame camera too - I've never even used full frame and I'm coming from T2i with stock lens. Since I really want a sharp lens, that's fast, but also is at least 50mm or wider (I'm ok with zoom), are there any recommendations here other than the 50mm 1.4? If the kit lens was faster than f/4, I'd keep it. But then again, it is IS, so shooting stationary objects should be about 2 stops better than f/4.

I read that the sharpest lens is 200mm 1.8 and more recently, 24-70mm 2.8 [canonrumors.com]. But those are over $2k. I was hoping to keep the price around/under $1k.

alex356 02-24-2013 10:18 AM

If you need fast, sharp, wider than 50, and also <$1000, you might have to go to non-Canon lenses. The new Sigma 35mm f/1.4 ($899) might be the sharpest 35mm lens for Canon, and it's under $1000. For a fast wide angle zoom, you might consider Tokina 16-28 F/2.8 (~$750), it's better than Canon 16-35L and almost as good as Nikon 14-24, the best wide angle zoom available.

Also, the Canon 40mm f/2.8 is unbelievably good for it's price and size. It resolves better than Canon 24-105L at 40mm. I would definitely not sell it.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Excelsius (Post 57793230)
Lens recommendations:

Like some others in this forum, this is my first full frame camera too - I've never even used full frame and I'm coming from T2i with stock lens. Since I really want a sharp lens, that's fast, but also is at least 50mm or wider (I'm ok with zoom), are there any recommendations here other than the 50mm 1.4? If the kit lens was faster than f/4, I'd keep it. But then again, it is IS, so shooting stationary objects should be about 2 stops better than f/4.

I read that the sharpest lens is 200mm 1.8 and more recently, 24-70mm 2.8 [canonrumors.com]. But those are over $2k. I was hoping to keep the price around/under $1k.


e-powersellers 02-24-2013 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustum (Post 57779700)
Which focus point (center or top) do you use to shoot portraits? I always ends up using top focus point in order to fit portrait to the top. But, t3i top focus point is weak in low light compared to center.


Use the center focus point and once locked just move the camera to the composition you prefer.

sdealer114 02-24-2013 04:58 PM

How much IQ advantage will this have over 60D + Sigma 30mm 1.4 ? With and without speedlight. Price difference is significant.

alex356 02-24-2013 07:01 PM

Other than low light performance (which you mentioned) and bokeh, there's a significant difference in the overall perceived resolution between full frame and cropped sensor cameras. For example, even the old 12.8MP Canon 5D classic would in most cases out-resolve 18MP Canon 7D, given the same lenses.

Now, back to your question:
The perceived resolution (per DXOMark) of 7D (same as 60D) with Sigma 30 f/1.4 is about 8MP, not reached until f/5.6. It's actually much worse below f/2.8
The perceived resolution of Canon 5D mk II (close to 6D) with a cheap 40/2.8 is 15MP and it's available from f/2.8

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/...camera3)/0

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdealer114 (Post 57801258)
How much IQ advantage will this have over 60D + Sigma 30mm 1.4 ? With and without speedlight. Price difference is significant.


Amaylin 02-25-2013 07:06 AM

It's attempting to get a backup camera 6d for this price.

Excelsius 02-25-2013 01:17 PM

Hadn't heard of DXOMark before. Can someone please explain how come 35mm f/2 is considered to be the third sharpest lense from Canon, beating not only the 50mm 1.4, but also almost all the L lenses. I am trying to get a lens for my 6D and I thought I had it figured out by getting the 50mm 1.4, but now I'm not that sure:

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/...ric-Scores

cdog90260 02-25-2013 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Excelsius (Post 57819180)
Hadn't heard of DXOMark before. Can someone please explain how come 35mm f/2 is considered to be the third sharpest lense from Canon, beating not only the 50mm 1.4, but also almost all the L lenses. I am trying to get a lens for my 6D and I thought I had it figured out by getting the 50mm 1.4, but now I'm not that sure:

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/...ric-Scores

The 35mm F2 IS is an 800 dollar lens, and so is the sigma 35... 3-4 stop IS vs 1 stop aperture... really is a tough decision, but I'de go with the canon (even though most will choose sigma). Reason for canon is because I think F2 is fast enough on these ISO monsters, and IS is more valuable for static shots.

intence01 02-25-2013 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Excelsius (Post 57819180)
Hadn't heard of DXOMark before. Can someone please explain how come 35mm f/2 is considered to be the third sharpest lense from Canon, beating not only the 50mm 1.4, but also almost all the L lenses. I am trying to get a lens for my 6D and I thought I had it figured out by getting the 50mm 1.4, but now I'm not that sure:

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/...ric-Scores

50mm f1.4
40mm f2.8
85mm f1.8
100mm f2
105mm f2.8 Macro
70-200mm f4L

All very sharp, all relatively affordable, depending on your needs. The kit lens is also quite good, and very convenient. The only hole as mentioned earlier is that Canon doesn't have an affordable wide option.

AkumaX 02-25-2013 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Excelsius (Post 57819180)
Hadn't heard of DXOMark before. Can someone please explain how come 35mm f/2 is considered to be the third sharpest lense from Canon, beating not only the 50mm 1.4, but also almost all the L lenses. I am trying to get a lens for my 6D and I thought I had it figured out by getting the 50mm 1.4, but now I'm not that sure:

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/...ric-Scores

don't confuse it with the 20-year-old $250 35mm f/2, the $800 35mm f/2 IS is a brand new 2012 lens in an entirely different league of its own..

intence01 02-25-2013 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AkumaX (Post 57781960)
Thanks for your input. Have you actually used a 6D? And maybe a 5D2 simultaneously?
I figure the 6D's 2012 AF should be better than the 5D2's 2008 AF (well, arguably similar enough to the 5D's 2005 AF ;))

edit: haha wow, I didn't know that the 5D2 also only had 1 cross-type point (center). Does that make it inferior to T4i / 60D as well :P

The AF? Yes, the AF on the 5D2 leaves much to be desired. Especially if you've used a 7D (different camera, different target market) which has a VERY nice AF system.

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Originally Posted by AkumaX (Post 57821802)
don't confuse it with the 20-year-old $250 35mm f/2, the $800 35mm f/2 IS is a brand new 2012 lens in an entirely different league of its own..

Yes, and supposedly many of Canon's newer lenses focus far better when used with newer bodies such as the 6D.

The problem is, except for the 40mm f2.8, the newer lenses have so far been far pricier than their counterparts (35mm f2, 28mm f2.8, 24-70mm II, etc.)

Excelsius 02-25-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AkumaX (Post 57821802)
don't confuse it with the 20-year-old $250 35mm f/2, the $800 35mm f/2 IS is a brand new 2012 lens in an entirely different league of its own..

No wonder. I was thinking about the cheaper version and didn’t know the difference isn’t just IS: http://www.canon.com/camera-museu...t/2013/02/

50mm almost matches the sharpness of 35 at f/2. Beyond that, 50mm keeps up everywhere except the very edges. I'd say the sharpness differences aren't much [the-digital-picture.com], especially since these are at 100% crop and since the edges at lower apertures are usually in the bokeh region.

So that leaves IS and wider field. Assuming IS gives 2-3 stop advantage, that lens can shoot as slow as 1/5-1/9 hand-held, compared to about 1/50 for the 50mm f/1.4. But the 50 is 1 stop faster for moving objects. I don’t know, given the $800 price tag compared to only $300 for 50mm, to me it doesn’t seem to be worth it. It’s not that much wider than the 50mm. Unless I’m missing something, I should probably get the 50mm and some other focal length later. If it's not possible to shoot a group of 3-5 people inside an apartment with 50mm, then I guess the 35 is an option.

By the way, the stock lens is not nearly as sharp as the 50 1.4. The 40mm STM is sharper, but again not as sharp as the 50mm. Given that 6D cannot use the STM for continuous autofocus, I don’t think that’s a good lens to keep. That would be a good lens for the T4i.

I'm still surprised how the L lenses get beat by regular Canon and even non-Canon lenses. I guess they're not all they're cracked up to be!

Edit: 50mm 1.4 + 70-200mm 4 L [amazon.com] together can cost under $1k, which should be a nice setup.

AkumaX 02-25-2013 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by intence01 (Post 57821808)
The AF? Yes, the AF on the 5D2 leaves much to be desired. Especially if you've used a 7D (different camera, different target market) which has a VERY nice AF system.

Yes, and supposedly many of Canon's newer lenses focus far better when used with newer bodies such as the 6D.

The problem is, except for the 40mm f2.8, the newer lenses have so far been far pricier than their counterparts (35mm f2, 28mm f2.8, 24-70mm II, etc.)

In real world purposes, how do you think the 7D stacks up against the 6D?

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Originally Posted by Excelsius (Post 57823472)
No wonder. I was thinking about the cheaper version and didn’t know the difference isn’t just IS: http://www.canon.com/camera-museu...t/2013/02/

50mm almost matches the sharpness of 35 at f/2. Beyond that, 50mm keeps up everywhere except the very edges. I'd say the sharpness differences aren't much [the-digital-picture.com], especially since these are at 100% crop and since the edges at lower apertures are usually in the bokeh region.

So that leaves IS and wider field. Assuming IS gives 2-3 stop advantage, that lens can shoot as slow as 1/5-1/9 hand-held, compared to about 1/50 for the 50mm f/1.4. But the 50 is 1 stop faster for moving objects. I don’t know, given the $800 price tag compared to only $300 for 50mm, to me it doesn’t seem to be worth it. It’s not that much wider than the 50mm. Unless I’m missing something, I should probably get the 50mm and some other focal length later. If it's not possible to shoot a group of 3-5 people inside an apartment with 50mm, then I guess the 35 is an option.

By the way, the stock lens is not nearly as sharp as the 50 1.4. The 40mm STM is sharper, but again not as sharp as the 50mm. Given that 6D cannot use the STM for continuous autofocus, I don’t think that’s a good lens to keep. That would be a good lens for the T4i.

I'm still surprised how the L lenses get beat by regular Canon and even non-Canon lenses. I guess they're not all they're cracked up to be!

Edit: 50mm 1.4 + 70-200mm 4 L [amazon.com] together can cost under $1k, which should be a nice setup.

Too many things to consider :P I have a Q: though - 35mm f/2 @ 2.8 vs 40mm f/2.8 pancake?

Also, that new 35mm f/2 IS is quite the anomaly.. another thing you might want to consider is the $900 Sigma 35mm f/1.4 (new). That one throws stuff into the mix too...

intence01 02-25-2013 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AkumaX (Post 57825528)
In real world purposes, how do you think the 7D stacks up against the 6D?



Too many things to consider :P I have a Q: though - 35mm f/2 @ 2.8 vs 40mm f/2.8 pancake?

Also, that new 35mm f/2 IS is quite the anomaly.. another thing you might want to consider is the $900 Sigma 35mm f/1.4 (new). That one throws stuff into the mix too...

I haven't used a 6D, but have used a 7D and 5D2 (consider it like a 6D for our purposes here). From my experience you're trading speed (both fps and AF speed and AF points) for image quality. The full frame sensor seems to deliver better quality, especially at higher ISOs. The 7D's sensor would start delivering grainy images long before the wonderful FF sensor in the 5D2. However for sports, the 7D could lock on target and start firing off high FPS.

For studio work, portraits, stills, and light action I'd go with the 6D. For high speed work, sports, and shooting fast moving objects outdoors in sufficient light, the 7D is the better choice. Rumor has it that Canon will eventually release an update to the 7D, hopefully it's sensor performance is improved. Also, keep in mind the crop sensor will appear to be more "zoomed" in, so for closeups in sports, it's a bit easier to work with.

As for those lenses, the 35mm F2 and the 40mm F2.8. The 40mm is simply phenomenal at $149, there really isn't any reason NOT to own one. Who cares about the STM and video. It's a small light sharp lens. I'm sure the new 35mm F2 IS and 35mm Sigma are far better, and they had better be given their price, but at the price the 40mm is simply amazing. The 35mm F2 (non-IS) is fine optically, but AF is slow and noisy.

575rider 02-25-2013 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Amaylin (Post 57809550)
It's attempting to get a backup camera 6d for this price.

It is? Will the order not go through?

Craig540 02-25-2013 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie3dfx (Post 57790734)
40mm 2.8 and the 70-300 lenses on a 6d are like putting cheap tires on a ferrari.
It's an odd match.

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Originally Posted by intence01 (Post 57821718)
50mm f1.4
40mm f2.8
85mm f1.8
100mm f2
105mm f2.8 Macro
70-200mm f4L

All very sharp, all relatively affordable, depending on your needs. The kit lens is also quite good, and very convenient. The only hole as mentioned earlier is that Canon doesn't have an affordable wide option.

I was thinking of selling my 85mm 1.8 which has been my best lens with my 60D. My thought is to have only L lenses with the 6D, but I really think I will miss it.

pointbob 02-25-2013 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie3dfx (Post 57790734)
40mm 2.8 and the 70-300 lenses on a 6d are like putting cheap tires on a ferrari.
It's an odd match.


You have no clue what you are talking about. I own both and have a 5d2 and 6d. Both these lens shine.

Perhaps you should move beyond your iphone camera one day and actually do real photography.

FatPigs 02-25-2013 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Excelsius (Post 57819180)
Hadn't heard of DXOMark before. Can someone please explain how come 35mm f/2 is considered to be the third sharpest lense from Canon, beating not only the 50mm 1.4, but also almost all the L lenses. I am trying to get a lens for my 6D and I thought I had it figured out by getting the 50mm 1.4, but now I'm not that sure:

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/...ric-Scores

For note:

DXOMark works well for sensor benchmarking/comparisons but their lens testing isn't as good. Their lens score depends entirely on the body that its attached to.

Attach the 5D Mark III/1DS/D800e and the score jumps to the top. Attach a very good lens to a smaller interchangeable system and the score drops. It's more megapixel and sensor dependent than it is on the actual lens.

intence01 02-25-2013 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig540 (Post 57829918)
I was thinking of selling my 85mm 1.8 which has been my best lens with my 60D. My thought is to have only L lenses with the 6D, but I really think I will miss it.

IMO the 85mm f1.8 is an amazing lens for the price. Granted I haven't used the 85mm f1.2L (which supposedly focuses slower), but have owned several L lenses in the past. IMO, whether a lens is L or not makes little difference. The 85mm f1.8 and 100mm f2 are amazing pieces of glass. I know dxomark isn't the be-all and end-all, but they rate both very very highly.

I've shot the 85mm f1.8 on a 5D2 and got spectacular results.

intence01 02-25-2013 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FatPigs (Post 57830364)
For note:

DXOMark works well for sensor benchmarking/comparisons but their lens testing isn't as good. Their lens score depends entirely on the body that its attached to.

Attach the 5D Mark III/1DS/D800e and the score jumps to the top. Attach a very good lens to a smaller interchangeable system and the score drops. It's more megapixel and sensor dependent than it is on the actual lens.

Actually they have two scores, the Dxomark score, and the optical score. One takes the sensor from the body into account (so how the two work together). I believe the other test puts more focus on the lens itself. In either case, the rankings vary a bit, but the usual suspects are always near the top. Either way they have to take a photo and analyze it, so it's difficult to ignore the sensor. I believe lensrentals or someone else also found that Canon's newer bodies focus far more accurately with the newer lenses and vice-versa. The 35mm f2 IS was one of these lenses if I remember correctly.

intence01 02-25-2013 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pointbob (Post 57830216)
You have no clue what you are talking about. I own both and have a 5d2 and 6d. Both these lens shine.

Perhaps you should move beyond your iphone camera one day and actually do real photography.

I will say that I believe the 70-200mm F4L is a nicer lens than the 70-300mm for not much more money, but then again, there are always deals on the 70-300mm..

The 40mm on the other hand I found to be unbelievable for the price. $149 right now with the rebate, and it has stellar performance.

You can chase expensive cameras and lenses all day long, but a talented photographer can produce soul-stirring images with an iPhone.

AkumaX 02-25-2013 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig540 (Post 57829918)
I was thinking of selling my 85mm 1.8 which has been my best lens with my 60D. My thought is to have only L lenses with the 6D, but I really think I will miss it.

Don't sell it! It's a wonderful lens!

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Originally Posted by pointbob (Post 57830216)
You have no clue what you are talking about. I own both and have a 5d2 and 6d. Both these lens shine.

Perhaps you should move beyond your iphone camera one day and actually do real photography.


So how do you feel about the AF between 5D2 vs 6D?

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Originally Posted by 575rider (Post 57828862)
It is? Will the order not go through?

He meant it's "tempting" for him to pick up a 6D at this price (not attempting, lol)

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Originally Posted by intence01 (Post 57828744)
I haven't used a 6D, but have used a 7D and 5D2 (consider it like a 6D for our purposes here). From my experience you're trading speed (both fps and AF speed and AF points) for image quality. The full frame sensor seems to deliver better quality, especially at higher ISOs. The 7D's sensor would start delivering grainy images long before the wonderful FF sensor in the 5D2. However for sports, the 7D could lock on target and start firing off high FPS.

For studio work, portraits, stills, and light action I'd go with the 6D. For high speed work, sports, and shooting fast moving objects outdoors in sufficient light, the 7D is the better choice. Rumor has it that Canon will eventually release an update to the 7D, hopefully it's sensor performance is improved. Also, keep in mind the crop sensor will appear to be more "zoomed" in, so for closeups in sports, it's a bit easier to work with.

I figure as much! But as much as I want a 5D3, it's hard to justify the price. I am just trying to justify "sidegrading" from a 5D2 to a 6D :P

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As for those lenses, the 35mm F2 and the 40mm F2.8. The 40mm is simply phenomenal at $149, there really isn't any reason NOT to own one. Who cares about the STM and video. It's a small light sharp lens. I'm sure the new 35mm F2 IS and 35mm Sigma are far better, and they had better be given their price, but at the price the 40mm is simply amazing. The 35mm F2 (non-IS) is fine optically, but AF is slow and noisy.
Yah, when I used the 35mm, its just "fine". I liked the 40mm, so I'll probably get it again, and sell the 35mm. I figure if I wanted sharpness on the 35, I'd have to stop down to f/2.8 anyway, hahaha

Excelsius 02-26-2013 02:58 AM

I'm not clear about something - the pancake STM has a much smaller lens surface area than most lenses. I know that it's the aperture that decides on the amount of light entering the camera, but doesn't the surface area of the lens also affect the ability to gather the most light possible? In other words, to me it seems that the pancake will collect much less light at 2.8 than let's say the 50mm at 2.8. The STM lens is an amazing value at $99 from Adorama in this package deal since it compares well to very expensive L lenses in sharpness. Too bad it doesn't go to at least f/2 for a better subject isolation.

I remember reading something about the 6D not being able to correctly autofocus below f/4. Does anyone know something about this? I couldn't track it down again, unless I misunderstood. I know that most cameras can't focus above f/8.

AkumaX 02-26-2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Excelsius (Post 57831922)
I remember reading something about the 6D not being able to correctly autofocus below f/4. Does anyone know something about this? I couldn't track it down again, unless I misunderstood. I know that most cameras can't focus above f/8.

This is the craziest thing I've seen

http://photo.stackexchange.com/qu...or-high-pr

GoatSaver 02-26-2013 08:43 PM

Deal is dead now.

Craig540 02-27-2013 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by intence01 (Post 57830538)
IMO the 85mm f1.8 is an amazing lens for the price. Granted I haven't used the 85mm f1.2L (which supposedly focuses slower), but have owned several L lenses in the past. IMO, whether a lens is L or not makes little difference. The 85mm f1.8 and 100mm f2 are amazing pieces of glass. I know dxomark isn't the be-all and end-all, but they rate both very very highly.

I've shot the 85mm f1.8 on a 5D2 and got spectacular results.

I really do love the 85mm 1.8. I just thought it would be over kill some I have the 24-105. I mean if I need 85mm why not just use the zoom ? I guess if I had a low light situation right.

intence01 02-27-2013 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig540 (Post 57873956)
I really do love the 85mm 1.8. I just thought it would be over kill some I have the 24-105. I mean if I need 85mm why not just use the zoom ? I guess if I had a low light situation right.

You need both LOL :)

The 85mm 1.8 is it's own beast. The 24-105mm is a very sharp versatile walkaround lens. It's versatile because of the range and f4 + Image Stabilizer let you take decent pics in lowish light. It's nothing compared to 1.8 though, and the bokeh you'll get with it.

Craig540 02-27-2013 09:19 PM

Ok settled, I am not letting it go.
Yes the bokeh is awesome.
Thanks

My order will be delivered Friday.

andriykoua 03-01-2013 02:06 AM

guys, for those who are in state of NY, have you tried shipping to Kinek.com in PA and picking it up there, you save lots of money on taxes.

AkumaX 03-02-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by andriykoua (Post 57905654)
guys, for those who are in state of NY, have you tried shipping to Kinek.com in PA and picking it up there, you save lots of money on taxes.

Did you really suggest driving from NY to PA?

silento 03-07-2013 10:43 AM

deal is dead


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