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DJ3xclusive 03-07-2013 12:08 PM

51" Samsung PN51E450 Plasma 720p 600Hz HDTV $428 + Free Shipping
 
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Apply Code = FGD84841
  • 51" plasma panel
    With 1366 x 768 resolution
  • True 16:9 aspect ratio
    View your movies as the director intended
  • Built-in digital tuner
    Watch digital broadcasts, including HDTV programs where available, on this Samsung 51" plasma TV
  • HDMI Inputs: 2
    Enjoy a superior HD experience with the HDMI one-cable solution
  • 50.7" screen is measured diagonally from corner to corner
  • USB port
    Listen to music and view photos from USB storage devices
Linky [tigerdirect.com]

iconian 03-07-2013 12:08 PM

51" Samsung PN51E450 Plasma 720p 600Hz HDTV $428 + Free Shipping
 
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Tiger Direct has 51" Samsung PN51E450 Plasma 720p 600Hz HDTV on sale for $428 after applying coupon code FGD84841. Shipping is free. Thanks DJ3xclusive

Specs:
  • Resolution: 1024x768
  • Refresh Rate: 600Hz
  • Inputs:
    • 2x HDMI
    • 2x Component
    • 1x Composite
    • 1x USB
Price Research: Our research indicates that this 51" Samsung PN51E450 Plasma 720p 600Hz HDTV is $102 lower (19% savings) than the next best available price from a reputable merchant with prices starting at $530. - iconian

wikipost 03-07-2013 12:08 PM

This post can and should be edited by users like you :)
 
Great review:
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/...inch-hdtv/

Just an FYI:
Return Policy
Only defective exchanges for identical item within 30 days of purchase permitted on this product. After 30 days, please contact the manufacturer at: 18007267864.Only defective exchanges for identical item within 30 days of purchase permitted on this product.

ChrisP8282 03-07-2013 12:11 PM

I'll thumbs it up considering the 43" is going for 379-399 right now.

inocconi 03-07-2013 12:17 PM

It's got that there HDMI thingy, thumbs up for sure!

bigb3n21 03-07-2013 12:19 PM

Good set. Got the 3d version for the same price and absolutely love it. Can't tell at all it's sub720p.

robbinipodz 03-07-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigb3n21 (Post 58063828)
Got the 3d version for the same price and absolutely love it.

How so cheap?

beeemerm5 03-07-2013 12:47 PM

WOW SLICK....love Samsung HDTVs

yourwhiteshadow 03-07-2013 12:48 PM

i have the PN51E7000 and absolutely love it. if i needed another TV i'd grab this in a heartbeat, except for the fact that its only 720p... but if you watch mostly network television and TV shows it won't make a difference.

mD- 03-07-2013 12:48 PM

So cheap! but at that size you have to go 1080p.

ChrisP8282 03-07-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mD- (Post 58064594)
So cheap! but at that size you have to go 1080p.

Not necessarily. 1080p isn't noticeable on a 50 inch tv until around 15 feet. For some it's a few feet less or more, but that's a good rule of thumb. I have a 50" 720p and it's fine, but we sit 15-20 feet from the TV in a huge living room.

http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/

To put in perspective, unless you go to a movie theater with old film projectors you are at most seeing 1080p on a 50 foot wide screen and it looks fine.

stinkybottom 03-07-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mD- (Post 58064594)
So cheap! but at that size you have to go 1080p.

Never mind. Way to many much wrong with his comment for me to bother.

jtravisdavid 03-07-2013 12:57 PM

Picked one up. Thanks.

Emjay 03-07-2013 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mD- (Post 58064594)
So cheap! but at that size you have to go 1080p.

If you have DirecTV, they call it DirecTV lite because they only broadcast in 720P. TW, Uverse, FIOS are all the same.....they are lite. Gamers may want 1080P b/c the Xbox/PS3 does display in 1080P.
GD OP.

michray 03-07-2013 12:59 PM

I bought this TV last year. Its been great...no complaints at all.

ndm2p8 03-07-2013 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mD- (Post 58064594)
So cheap! but at that size you have to go 1080p.


Depends on what you need. I just sold this TV after moving into a new home and didn't want it sitting in the basement any longer.

If you don't watch blu ray on a blu ray device, you will be hard pressed to tell the difference.

Before selling I compared my Toshiba 1080p LED to the Samsung 720p and I really couldn't tell a difference. These were w/ streams from my Roku set at 1080p. Picture looked fantastic when I hooked it up to my PC to stream blu-rays.

The picture on this is pretty great and I think it is an awesome deal. I think my parents are actually going jump on this. They don't have any intention of watching blu-rays on a blu-ray players.

MrCivic98 03-07-2013 01:01 PM

This one is for the HDTV gurus out there- I do not own a blu-ray player, nor do I intend to purchase one (we're not movie people and we use a roku and on demand for the few times we watch movies). Is a 1080p set really necessary? Because anything other than blu-ray delivers its signal in either 720p or 1080i, wouldn't it make sense to have a TV with a resolution that matches the source resolution- 720p? In other words, unless you're watching blu-ray, is 1080p really necessary?

ndm2p8 03-07-2013 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrCivic98 (Post 58064918)
This one is for the HDTV gurus out there- I do not own a blu-ray player, nor do I intend to purchase one (we're not movie people and we use a roku and on demand for the few times we watch movies). Is a 1080p set really necessary? Because anything other than blu-ray delivers its signal in either 720p or 1080i, wouldn't it make sense to have a TV with a resolution that matches the source resolution- 720p? In other words, unless you're watching blu-ray, is 1080p really necessary?


Matters for gaming too.

In my opinion - no it is not. I had this TV and just sold it. The picture was fantastic. It looked as good as my Toshiba 1080p LED in side by side comparisons. This was with streaming w/ my Roku in 1080p and some media from an external hard drive on my computer. Just before the guy from Craigslist came to pick it up I seriously considered calling him and saying nevermind. Picture really is great - but I don't foresee my man cave being set up anytime in the near future so it simply wasn't getting used.

If you are on the fence - bite - I don't think you will be disappointed.

Eaglescout 03-07-2013 01:08 PM

Great deal! I currently have this TV and love it. I would like to see a bigger TV for $500 though! I need something for the basement.

kc4vdx 03-07-2013 01:08 PM

$427.99 for me delivered. Not bad thanks!

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vip00 03-07-2013 01:09 PM

It's a good brand in a good size for a good price. It's hard to complain about details...

dadablacksheep 03-07-2013 01:09 PM

The 720 vs 1080 conversation DOES NOT NEED TO HAPPEN AGAIN EVER. It has been taken care of X 100,000,000,000 Please stop.

photomoto 03-07-2013 01:09 PM

Great price! cheapest ive seen.
you really cant beat the pq for this price range.

great info and review here:
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/...inch-hdtv/

198four 03-07-2013 01:10 PM

You buy a TV for atleast next 3-4 years. This TV might be great for now but its not future proof.

AznCracker 03-07-2013 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisP8282 (Post 58064762)
Not necessarily. 1080p isn't noticeable on a 50 inch tv until around 15 feet. For some it's a few feet less or more, but that's a good rule of thumb. I have a 50" 720p and it's fine, but we sit 15-20 feet from the TV in a huge living room.

http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/

To put in perspective, unless you go to a movie theater with old film projectors you are at most seeing 1080p on a 50 foot wide screen and it looks fine.

Thats totally subjective. Plus most people don't have huge living rooms. I only sit 10 ft from my tv and I would hate to have a 720p 42 in tv.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dadablacksheep (Post 58065158)
The 720 vs 1080 conversation DOES NOT NEED TO HAPPEN AGAIN EVER. It has been taken care of X 100,000,000,000 Please stop.

Don't read it then.

bjohnson33 03-07-2013 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dadablacksheep (Post 58065158)
The 720 vs 1080 conversation DOES NOT NEED TO HAPPEN AGAIN EVER. It has been taken care of X 100,000,000,000 Please stop.

Link? ;)

FatFishJeff 03-07-2013 01:12 PM

Tax in Florida..

stlcards11 03-07-2013 01:16 PM

I bought this tv earlier this year for around the same price. We love it. In my opinion, the picture on this is better that the other two HDTV's we have in our house, one of which is a LG LCD 1080p. I would recommend this to anyone unless you are in a very brightly lit room, or have lots of windows with sun shining in (which is the case for any plasma).

namx 03-07-2013 01:16 PM

this or the Target 50" Westinghouse LED?

NeoAaron 03-07-2013 01:17 PM

I've owned this tv for almost a year now(bought it last April at Target on clearance for $299) and I love it!

Even though it's only 720P it looks awesome.

My friend who owns a 50" Sony 1080P 240Hz LED even agrees my tv looks better.

The only problem I've had so far, sometimes when you turn it on, the sound has a crackle to it. Like the speakers blew. But if you power it off and back on again it sounds fine. This has happened like 3-4 times in the year I've owned it.

flyin4food 03-07-2013 01:17 PM

$43.56 tax in Texas!!

thumper300zx 03-07-2013 01:17 PM

449.99 purchased on 6/25/2012.

A little surprised the deal isn't -even- better almost 9 months later. But still a nice TV.

HockeyPlayer 03-07-2013 01:19 PM

How would this do at high altitude (9,000 feet)? I'm looking for a TV for our condo, but I heard that plasmas don't like high altitude.

Lasereth 03-07-2013 01:21 PM

Great deal for this size. And nobody can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, not that most content is displayed in 1080p anyway.

bozarbozar 03-07-2013 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dadablacksheep (Post 58065158)
The 720 vs 1080 conversation DOES NOT NEED TO HAPPEN AGAIN EVER. It has been taken care of X 100,000,000,000 Please stop.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjohnson33 (Post 58065250)
Link? ;)

I agree, if there's a link to a conversation which covers the issue, then providing a link to it would be useful.

Lasereth 03-07-2013 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrCivic98 (Post 58064918)
This one is for the HDTV gurus out there- I do not own a blu-ray player, nor do I intend to purchase one (we're not movie people and we use a roku and on demand for the few times we watch movies). Is a 1080p set really necessary? Because anything other than blu-ray delivers its signal in either 720p or 1080i, wouldn't it make sense to have a TV with a resolution that matches the source resolution- 720p? In other words, unless you're watching blu-ray, is 1080p really necessary?

1080p not necessary. I have a 1080p and 720p and can't tell the difference between the two, at any distance. I play blurays on the 720p plasma all the time and they look amazing.

HockeyPlayer 03-07-2013 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyPlayer (Post 58065484)
How would this do at high altitude (9,000 feet)? I'm looking for a TV for our condo, but I heard that plasmas don't like high altitude.

Samsung doesn't recommend any Plasma over 6,500 feet.

http://answers.us.samsung.com/ans...htm?page=2

rsth 03-07-2013 01:23 PM

I have a new LG 50" 1080p plasma and a 2 1/2 yr old Sammy 42" 720p plasma. I watch Directv and TW basic HD cable. Some times I prefer the Sammy over the LG.

stlcards11 03-07-2013 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoAaron (Post 58065412)
I've owned this tv for almost a year now(bought it last April at Target on clearance for $299) and I love it!

Even though it's only 720P it looks awesome.

My friend who owns a 50" Sony 1080P 240Hz LED even agrees my tv looks better.

The only problem I've had so far, sometimes when you turn it on, the sound has a crackle to it. Like the speakers blew. But if you power it off and back on again it sounds fine. This has happened like 3-4 times in the year I've owned it.

I haven't had that problem with mine, but one thing that does bug me about the volume - it seems there is a lag between when you hit the volume up button and when the volume actually starts going up on the tv. A few times, I've kept the volume button pressed on the remote for a couple seconds, wanting to turn it up several notches. Then the volume on the tv keeps increasing for a bit after I let go of the button. It goes pretty fast and this has resulted in the volume getting extremely loud and waking up my 2 year old a couple times. Once you get used to it, it's not that big of a deal. Just have to be more careful to tap the button several times rather than holding it down.

Slickd3aler 03-07-2013 01:25 PM

I got the model before this one, the D model, last year around this time of year, at Walmart refurbished for around $380 with a 3 year warranty. It only had like 5 hours of viewing time on it. Its been a good tv, and the 720p doesn't bother me at all, i'd buy another 720p for sure. Most tv is not even broadcasted in 1080 to begin with.

max8404 03-07-2013 01:28 PM

I have the a 50inch LG that's similar to this that I got at the $400 deal from Fry's. These HDTVs are great and underappreciated because they are an "older" technology. I like to think of these as more refined. The picture quality is amazing even if it's a 720p. I watch Blu Rays on this thing all the time and they are crystal clear. I can't tell the difference at least between this and my LED 24 1080p Dell monitor in terms of quality, but that may be a bad comparison due to the size differences.

The other nice thing is that it's really only a TV, so much less can go wrong with it when compared to say a smart TV or whatnot. Remember, the fewer "moving" parts, the less likely it will break! It's at least has been true for my cars! haha

hobojon 03-07-2013 01:29 PM

Take another 5,6 or 7% off with your choice of a cash back site.

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vivithemage 03-07-2013 01:30 PM

nice price, I wish it was 60" and 1080p haha

MMosso 03-07-2013 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigb3n21 (Post 58063828)
Good set. Got the 3d version for the same price and absolutely love it. Can't tell at all it's sub720p.


Where did you get 3D for this price?

steel36 03-07-2013 01:31 PM

aw man, tax is now apparently charged in GA for this site.

Steve325 03-07-2013 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slickd3aler (Post 58065678)
I got the model before this one, the D model, last year around this time of year, at Walmart refurbished for around $380 with a 3 year warranty. It only had like 5 hours of viewing time on it. Its been a good tv, and the 720p doesn't bother me at all, i'd buy another 720p for sure. Most tv is not even broadcasted in 1080 to begin with.

I got in on this deal also with the warranty. My panel has permanent burn in but still watchable. The warranty company refunded me so its like I practically got a free tv. Other than my burn in issue, it's been a good tv

Slickd3aler 03-07-2013 01:31 PM

I got the model before this one, the D model, last year around this time of year, at Walmart refurbished for around $380 with a 3 year warranty. It only had like 5 hours of viewing time on it. Its been a good tv, and the 720p doesn't bother me at all, i'd buy another 720p for sure. Most tv is not even broadcasted in 1080 to begin with.

dadablacksheep 03-07-2013 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bozarbozar (Post 58065572)
I agree, if there's a link to a conversation which covers the issue, then providing a link to it would be useful.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/768167/...discussion

Nate650 03-07-2013 01:38 PM

CNET review [cnet.com]

ChrisP8282 03-07-2013 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AznCracker (Post 58065226)
Thats totally subjective. Plus most people don't have huge living rooms. I only sit 10 ft from my tv and I would hate to have a 720p 42 in tv.

Don't read it then.

So, what's your point? Nothing I said invalidated any of your points. I even caveated my whole statement with the open ended "not always."

The average person would start to notice a difference at roughly 12 feet on a 720p 42" TV. That being said, I already said it's different for some than others. Some have sharper vision, thus greater sensitivity. Regardless, there is a point of diminishing returns in regards to 720p to 1080p. I'm merely pointing that out and not going with the carte blanche, 50" you MUST have a 1080p.

Xception2ThRule 03-07-2013 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iconian (Post 58064868)
Tiger Direct has 51" Samsung PN51E450 Plasma 720p 600Hz HDTV on sale for $449.99 after applying Coupon code FGD84841. Shipping is free. Thanks DJ3xclusive

Specs:
  • Resolution: 1024x768
  • Refresh Rate: 600Hz
  • Inputs:
    • 2x HDMI
    • 2x Component
    • 1x Composite
    • 1x USB
Price Research: Our research indicates that this 51" Samsung PN51E450 Plasma 720p 600Hz HDTV is $102 lower (19% savings) than the next best available price from a reputable merchant with prices starting at $530. - iconian

If you don't game, this is perfect. Also, I'm pretty picky, yet I don't mind watching 720P blu-ray content vs 1080P, so as long as that's not a concern, this is a good deal.

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ChrisP8282 03-07-2013 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emjay (Post 58064806)
If you have DirecTV, they call it DirecTV lite because they only broadcast in 720P. TW, Uverse, FIOS are all the same.....they are lite. Gamers may want 1080P b/c the Xbox/PS3 does display in 1080P.
GD OP.

You do realize that Xbox 360 and PS3 render at roughly 600p and upconvert right? You're not really getting any benefit going from 720p to 1080p.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xception2ThRule (Post 58066110)
If you don't game, this is perfect. Also, I'm pretty picky, yet I don't mind watching 720P blu-ray content vs 1080P, so as long as that's not a concern, this is a good deal.

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What's wrong with gaming on this? I game on the 43" variant just fine with zero burn in problems.

Xception2ThRule 03-07-2013 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisP8282 (Post 58066140)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Emjay (Post 58064806)
If you have DirecTV, they call it DirecTV lite because they only broadcast in 720P. TW, Uverse, FIOS are all the same.....they are lite. Gamers may want 1080P b/c the Xbox/PS3 does display in 1080P.
GD OP.

You do realize that Xbox 360 and PS3 render at roughly 600p and upconvert right? You're not really getting any benefit going from 720p to 1080p.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xception2ThRule (Post 58066110)
If you don't game, this is perfect. Also, I'm pretty picky, yet I don't mind watching 720P blu-ray content vs 1080P, so as long as that's not a concern, this is a good deal.

Sent from the official Slickdeals App for iPhone & iPod Touch.

What's wrong with gaming on this? I game on the 43" variant just fine with zero burn in problems.

Nothing wrong with gaming on 720p; I'm just picky. Also, my gaming is mostly PC based, so 1080p resolution makes a WORLD of difference vs 720p resolution.

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ChrisP8282 03-07-2013 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xception2ThRule (Post 58066210)
Nothing wrong with gaming on 720p; I'm just picky. Also, my gaming is mostly PC based, so 1080p resolution makes a WORLD of difference vs 720p resolution.

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On a PC absolutely, and if you plan to hook this to a PC for gaming I would absolutely agree with you. That being said, Xbox and PS3 render at sub 720p resolutions and upconvert to 1080p.

CuseHoo 03-07-2013 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xception2ThRule (Post 58066210)
Nothing wrong with gaming on 720p; I'm just picky. Also, my gaming is mostly PC based, so 1080p resolution makes a WORLD of difference vs 720p resolution.

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I don't know, this doesn't have the three midgets that pop out of the screen and give you a massage while you watch netflix, so thats kind of a deal breaker for me.

Seriously though, is there a 42/43 inch version of this? That would be perfect for my bedroom since its normally dark in there. Thoughts on this as a bedroom tv?

Xception2ThRule 03-07-2013 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisP8282 (Post 58066266)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xception2ThRule (Post 58066210)
Nothing wrong with gaming on 720p; I'm just picky. Also, my gaming is mostly PC based, so 1080p resolution makes a WORLD of difference vs 720p resolution.

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On a PC absolutely, and if you plan to hook this to a PC for gaming I would absolutely agree with you. That being said, Xbox and PS3 render at sub 720p resolutions and upconvert to 1080p.

Problem with that is that those consoles are soon to be obsolete. Next-gen consoles right around the corner. PS4 in August, 720 some time after, and both will be more "PC-like."

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the_d_mann1 03-07-2013 02:02 PM

I know this is discussed often on these threads, but Since I'm seeing a lot of great information here, wanted to ask everyone. My primary use will be hooked up to a computer, so there will be some times when it is showing the desktop, browsers, et cetera. However, 75% of the time or more, it will be Windows media center fullscreen television. Am i at a fair risk for burn in when I'm not doing full-screen TV watching? Or as long as I have a decent idle setting on the TV I am fine?

yarnim 03-07-2013 02:09 PM

oh brother..i am tempted and I frigging bought a smaller (43") refurb version of this TV a year ago for like 400 I think that is still sitting in its box.


EDIT: oh ...it was 300.. but still.

longhorn055 03-07-2013 02:09 PM

720p.. ewww

danny31004 03-07-2013 02:10 PM

Damnit, I need this next week or atleast saturday!!! I dont have money right now T_T
It's perfect for my parents!

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MrCivic98 03-07-2013 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ndm2p8 (Post 58065018)
Matters for gaming too.

In my opinion - no it is not. I had this TV and just sold it. The picture was fantastic. It looked as good as my Toshiba 1080p LED in side by side comparisons. This was with streaming w/ my Roku in 1080p and some media from an external hard drive on my computer. Just before the guy from Craigslist came to pick it up I seriously considered calling him and saying nevermind. Picture really is great - but I don't foresee my man cave being set up anytime in the near future so it simply wasn't getting used.

If you are on the fence - bite - I don't think you will be disappointed.

Interesting perspective. Thanks and repped.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasereth (Post 58065580)
1080p not necessary. I have a 1080p and 720p and can't tell the difference between the two, at any distance. I play blurays on the 720p plasma all the time and they look amazing.

Thanks and repped.

amc1870 03-07-2013 02:20 PM

Uhm... I think I must be somewhere between blind and stupid since I can't seem to figure out where to apply the coupon code...

Edit: Never mind. It's way at the end.

quitosky 03-07-2013 02:21 PM

i have the 43 inch and i tell you, it has more color and picture is more crisp than my samsung ln55c630 lcd tv. i bought the plasma for the basement and definitely should be for rooms with minimal light because when the tv is off or blinks, it becomes like a mirror! The only issue i have with this is the usb input. i have avi movies that i watch with the samsung ln55c630. With the 43 plasma, it freezes all the time.

AznCracker 03-07-2013 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisP8282 (Post 58066098)
So, what's your point? Nothing I said invalidated any of your points. I even caveated my whole statement with the open ended "not always."

The average person would start to notice a difference at roughly 12 feet on a 720p 42" TV. That being said, I already said it's different for some than others. Some have sharper vision, thus greater sensitivity. Regardless, there is a point of diminishing returns in regards to 720p to 1080p. I'm merely pointing that out and not going with the carte blanche, 50" you MUST have a 1080p.

Alright, then I guess we agree that the resolution for this size is totally subjective.

escapingreality 03-07-2013 02:27 PM

In 4 1 not sure if its a good price tho

boodahed 03-07-2013 02:30 PM

don't forget -- 5% Cashback Bonus @ tigerdirect with Discover Card

mehoff88 03-07-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkybottom (Post 58064764)
Never mind. Way to many much wrong with his comment for me to bother.

"Way to many much wrong with his comment for me to bother"? Really guy?

audiokingman 03-07-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mD- (Post 58064594)
So cheap! but at that size you have to go 1080p.

Really? Then what is the largest size tv that 1080p will go to according to you?

audiokingman 03-07-2013 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AznCracker (Post 58065226)
I only sit 10 ft from my tv and I would hate to have a 720p 42 in tv.

If you hate 720p on a 42", you also probably hate 1080p on anything larger than 60" too, right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyin4food (Post 58065414)
$43.56 tax in Texas!!

Yes!! And all of it is probably going straight to Egypt!!

ndm2p8 03-07-2013 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrCivic98 (Post 58066922)
Interesting perspective. Thanks and repped.



Thanks and repped.

The funny thing is that I only bought the LED because I THOUGHT it was much lighter than the plasma. I have a weird situation in an older rehabbed home where above the fireplace there is brick, then plaster, then drywall and no studs. Was worried that the plasma would be too heavy since I was not mounting into studs.

In hindsight, I should have just mounted the plasma and would have been totally fine, the LED is only light by 8 lbs or something...even though for some reason it seemed so much heavier.

We have quite a bit of glare in our living room and the plasma is pretty reflective. Convinced myself that the 1080p would be better but it just wasn't noticeably better. I could have saved a few bucks and mounted the Samsung and probably would have been just as happy. Hindsight!

audiokingman 03-07-2013 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by max8404 (Post 58065744)
I have the a 50inch LG that's similar to this that I got at the $400 deal from Fry's. These HDTVs are great and underappreciated because they are an "older" technology. I like to think of these as more refined. The picture quality is amazing even if it's a 720p. I watch Blu Rays on this thing all the time and they are crystal clear. I can't tell the difference at least between this and my LED 24 1080p Dell monitor in terms of quality, but that may be a bad comparison due to the size differences.

The other nice thing is that it's really only a TV, so much less can go wrong with it when compared to say a smart TV or whatnot. Remember, the fewer "moving" parts, the less likely it will break! It's at least has been true for my cars! haha

I bet that the sound is also 10x better than all these new ultra-thin framed LED tv's.
You can probably watch the tv without the necessity of turning on a soundbar or home theater system for adequate sound, which saves energy compared to these new LED thin tv's whose sound is so bad that it necessitates an energy hog soundbar or home theater to be turned on.

audiokingman 03-07-2013 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by longhorn055 (Post 58066888)
720p.. ewww

Just like 1080p on larger tv's....ewww

ndm2p8 03-07-2013 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audiokingman (Post 58067818)
If you hate 720p on a 42", you also probably hate 1080p on anything larger than 60" too, right?



Yes!! And all of it is probably going straight to Egypt!!

I wish people that say this stuff could do a side-by-side comparison. I think a LOT has to do with the quality of the tv itself. I get 720p vs.1080p and have done a ton of research like everyone else...but I can honestly say with a side-by-side comparison of this tv and my 1080p Toshiba LED, you really couldn't tell a difference when playing the same content. I think a few other people in this thread have said the same thing.

Again - if you have a blu-ray player hooked up I would imagine the difference would be more obvious, but with HBO Go, Roku, and streaming media I was unable to tell a difference, even from up close.

I think this is a really high quality 720p tv w/ better than average 720p picture quality.

And my two cents for anyone interested - We have a small living room and my 5.1 system was much too large. Went through two other soundbars that were complete disasters (Boston/LG - sounded like crap and major wireless issues - no HDMI etc.) until I came across this:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-HT-CT1...+subwoofer

Works really well, sounds awesome, and no hitches. I got is for $198 a few months back.

QuestorJones 03-07-2013 03:21 PM

Can someone post a link to why the whole "loss of brightness" thing with Plasma should not be a concern?

I am NOT trolling, I recently did some research and read some articles (on LED/LCD vs Plasma) and several mentioned it (ie:reduced brightness after 3 or so years) as a con for plasma, but it seems to be a non-issue (or very minor issue for most plasma watchers here) so I am curious as to why. I tried LED/LCD (Viera with IPS) and I could not deal with the clouding in bright backgrounds (like when a window is behind an actor indoors) so it went back (I have pretty poor vision which honestly may have contributed to my issues). I am considering plasma and just want to understand the whole brightness thing as it applies to today plasma tech, so any help would be appreciated (a good link to an informed article would be great).

AznCracker 03-07-2013 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audiokingman (Post 58067818)
If you hate 720p on a 42", you also probably hate 1080p on anything larger than 60" too, right?



Yes!! And all of it is probably going straight to Egypt!!


Indeed. Good thing I will not buy anything larger than 60 in anytime soon.

AznCracker 03-07-2013 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ndm2p8 (Post 58068016)
I wish people that say this stuff could do a side-by-side comparison. I think a LOT has to do with the quality of the tv itself. I get 720p vs.1080p and have done a ton of research like everyone else...but I can honestly say with a side-by-side comparison of this tv and my 1080p Toshiba LED, you really couldn't tell a difference when playing the same content. I think a few other people in this thread have said the same thing.

Again - if you have a blu-ray player hooked up I would imagine the difference would be more obvious, but with HBO Go, Roku, and streaming media I was unable to tell a difference, even from up close.

I think this is a really high quality 720p tv w/ better than average 720p picture quality.

And my two cents for anyone interested - We have a small living room and my 5.1 system was much too large. Went through two other soundbars that were complete disasters (Boston/LG - sounded like crap and major wireless issues - no HDMI etc.) until I came across this:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-HT-CT150-Sound-Bar-System/dp/B003C1AO2I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362696886&sr=8-1&keywords=sony+sound+bar+with+subwoofer

Works really well, sounds awesome, and no hitches. I got is for $198 a few months back.

You are totally correct. 1080p only shines when you have something that actually supports it, like a PS3 or blu ray player. Games at 720p look a lot different than games at 1080p. If your content only plays at 720p I see no reason to not get this tv.

jrob23 03-07-2013 03:33 PM

People, 720p in a dedicated 'man cave' home theater set up is noticeably worse than 1080p. Yes I have owned all types, including the brother of this one the E490 which is 3D. You can try to justify being more frugal and attempting to make yourself and others believe that there is no difference but really there is. And comparing this TV to a substandard 1080p product i.e. anything not Samsung or Panasonic for plasma is bogus. Of course it will look good versus any Toshiba, Insignia, RCA, Westinghouse, Dynex...they are all crap. If you compare this TV to say...a Panasonic UT50 (which I own) like I have...there is a marked difference. Both in sharpness, resolution, black levels, 3D. So you can be cheap and get this or you can spend another $200 for a MUCH better TV.

That said, if you are going the cheap route...this TV is really nice. Personally I sold it and upgraded, but for this price it's pretty slick, though you might be able to get the 3D for maybe $99 more. The 3d on the E490 is as good as my UT50..Samsung is just better at 3D period.

ndm2p8 03-07-2013 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrob23 (Post 58068852)
People, 720p in a dedicated 'man cave' home theater set up is noticeably worse than 1080p. Yes I have owned all types, including the brother of this one the E490 which is 3D. You can try to justify being more frugal and attempting to make yourself and others believe that there is no difference but really there is. And comparing this TV to a substandard 1080p product i.e. anything not Samsung or Panasonic for plasma is bogus. Of course it will look good versus any Toshiba, Insignia, RCA, Westinghouse, Dynex...they are all crap. If you compare this TV to say...a Panasonic UT50 (which I own) like I have...there is a marked difference. Both in sharpness, resolution, black levels, 3D. So you can be cheap and get this or you can spend another $200 for a MUCH better TV.

That said, if you are going the cheap route...this TV is really nice. Personally I sold it and upgraded, but for this price it's pretty slick, though you might be able to get the 3D for maybe $99 more. The 3d on the E490 is as good as my UT50..Samsung is just better at 3D period.

What if you are not watching blurays? The Toshiba LED I bought has a great picture and excellent reviews, and I was completely unable to discern a difference with any of the content I played (roku/HBOGo etc) - no bluray player.

I think your point is only valid if you are watching blurays or maybe gaming (I don't console game so I dunno). In the future when bluray quality 1080p steaming is commonplace, I think you are correct.

mD- 03-07-2013 03:46 PM

Lol, I didn't say 720p was bad, but I think that someone could notice a difference depending on distance in front of the TV. This set probably has good image quality so it wouldn't be too big of an issue. If you're looking for great image quality, 1080p WOULD BE necessary at 50 inches. At my place, I have a 55 inch UT50 Panny and I sit about 8 ft away because it's just an apartment living room. The closer I get, the more things I notice. So it really all depends on the person and what you're looking for. If it's more of a theater like experience, that means:

1) You're viewing distance is closer

2) You will be able to tell the difference between 1080p/720p.


Also, here's some food for thought:
http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-...yer-guide/

http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-...tv-set-up/


If I had a house and looking for a nice bed room set where the TV would be far away this would be perfect for this price

movingincircles 03-07-2013 03:55 PM

plasma + (720p + 51") == you'll be grabbing another TV soon.

drunkhumping 03-07-2013 04:00 PM

I don't drive to work in anything else than my American Iron spec Mustang. The Watts Link and coil-overs on the tuned suspension truly shine on the high banking Balboa Ave I-15 exit, and again, personally, I wouldn't drive anything else. Maybe a BMW or something, whatever, is fine for you, but let me tell you, it's not the ultimate driving machine, okay? Don't read into all the hype and people saying it is, because it's not.

bigb3n21 03-07-2013 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbinipodz (Post 58064462)
How so cheap?

Had it at Fry's on a one day sale back in December. Went through 2 1080p led sets and this is hands down the better tv, not even close.

Quote:

Originally Posted by movingincircles (Post 58069246)
plasma + (720p + 51") == you'll be grabbing another TV soon.

LOL that's just ignorant. This tv is great for the price, it can't be beat.

bigb3n21 03-07-2013 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by namx (Post 58065400)
this or the Target 50" Westinghouse LED?

I would HIGHLY recommended this over the Westinghouse. Name brand vs "off"brand. This is a great quality tv regardless of resolution.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMosso (Post 58065820)
Where did you get 3D for this price?

Fry's had a one day sale back in December, snagged it after trying out two other LEDs.

jakkyou 03-07-2013 04:28 PM

Copy-pasting got "Coupon Code Not Found."

Entered manually without caps and it works. Thanks for the deal!

turnne 03-07-2013 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsth (Post 58065614)
I have a new LG 50" 1080p plasma and a 2 1/2 yr old Sammy 42" 720p plasma. I watch Directv and TW basic HD cable. Some times I prefer the Sammy over the LG.

thats probably because its a Samsung vs LG comparison

not sure I have EVER seen an LG plasma look as good as a Samsung plasma of the same specs

then again..the LG is always less expensive

turnne 03-07-2013 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AznCracker (Post 58068676)
You are totally correct. 1080p only shines when you have something that actually supports it, like a PS3 or blu ray player. Games at 720p look a lot different than games at 1080p. If your content only plays at 720p I see no reason to not get this tv.


to be fair he is comparing a Toshiba edge lit LED to a Plasma

I am surprised he doesnt think the plasma looks a LOT better than an edge lit LED

Color accuracy,off angle viewing, and panel uniformity are probably much better between his two televisions

The true comparo would be two plasma TV's of the same picture quality.....watch a blu ray movie and see if you can tell the 720p vs 1080p difference

turnne 03-07-2013 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drunkhumping (Post 58069328)
I don't drive to work in anything else than my American Iron spec Mustang. The Watts Link and coil-overs on the tuned suspension truly shine on the high banking Balboa Ave I-15 exit, and again, personally, I wouldn't drive anything else. Maybe a BMW or something, whatever, is fine for you, but let me tell you, it's not the ultimate driving machine, okay? Don't read into all the hype and people saying it is, because it's not.

you clearly havent driven a BMW....

there is no comparison ......:nod:

ohiwastedmylif 03-07-2013 04:53 PM

600Hz? That sounds like cocaine for your eyes.

movingincircles 03-07-2013 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigb3n21 (Post 58069728)
LOL that's just ignorant. This tv is great for the price, it can't be beat.


k Michael Jackson.

billinaz 03-07-2013 04:54 PM

Got one, thanks!

BigMoneyGrip 03-07-2013 05:00 PM

Can someone confirm if this set is 1366 x 768 or 1024 x 768 I see specs showing both resolutions.

mv520 03-07-2013 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billinaz (Post 58070356)
Got one, thanks!

Right hand side at final check out screen.

AznCracker 03-07-2013 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMoneyGrip (Post 58070494)
Can someone confirm if this set is 1366 x 768 or 1024 x 768 I see specs showing both resolutions.

1366x768, its a widescreen tv.

The 4:3 aspect ratio is hard to find nowadays.

amazonORnewegg 03-07-2013 05:04 PM

nice deal

getevlcted 03-07-2013 05:13 PM

Why is this a better deal then this?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-li...rtIndex=30

baphomet58 03-07-2013 05:19 PM

51 inch.... 720p

thanks for the good laugh slick deals

my 39 inch insignia for $250 has 1080p

bigb3n21 03-07-2013 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMoneyGrip (Post 58070494)
Can someone confirm if this set is 1366 x 768 or 1024 x 768 I see specs showing both resolutions.

I own it, 1024x768. It uses non square pixels to get the widescreen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by movingincircles (Post 58070354)
k Michael Jackson.

Lol good one bro... Love to hear your logic behind plasma tv being inferior, I could use a good laugh.

inVINCEbleME 03-07-2013 05:26 PM

Does this coupon only work for the 51 in?

movingincircles 03-07-2013 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigb3n21 (Post 58070894)
Lol good one bro... Love to hear your logic behind plasma tv being inferior, I could use a good laugh.


Lol bro. Love to type it out bro. But rather, how about you Google it, bro. I could use a good laugh too, BRO. :lmao:

bigb3n21 03-07-2013 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by movingincircles (Post 58071024)
Lol bro. Love to type it out bro. But rather, how about you Google it, bro. I could use a good laugh too, BRO. :lmao:

Damn why u gettin so butt hurt? Haha I've only asked to explain yourself yet u continue to insult me? Someone's going thru a dry spell with his woman ;) haha
Bro :)

Btw I "googled" it extensively before I bought it, and the consensus hands down was plasma is the best buy for a budget tv. Which this is. :)

theclutch 03-07-2013 05:40 PM

is this a good deal? i need a TV in my room for streaming and xbox.....

movingincircles 03-07-2013 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigb3n21 (Post 58071054)
Damn why u gettin so butt hurt? Haha I've only asked to explain yourself yet u continue to insult me? Someone's going thru a dry spell with his woman ;) haha
Bro :)

Btw I "googled" it extensively before I bought it, and the consensus hands down was plasma is the best buy for a budget tv. Which this is. :)


LOL
Amazing at what else you can Google:
http://img811.imageshack.us/img81...7at536.png


BRO. :wave:

Peglegrook 03-07-2013 05:41 PM

I've been watching this TV for a couple of weeks now, and as others have said this is a great price.

I'm looking to buy a TV to put in a small gym in our building (3 treadmills, some weights, etc). Budget wise this TV seems to be the ticket for that purpose.

My concerns are that the gym is lit by fluorescent light, and I'm afraid that this might make the picture hard to view; both because of the brightness and because of the glare. Does anyone have any input on if this unit would really be a good choice for this application?

Or would I be better off with an LCD like this?
http://www.amazon.com/LE46FHDE530...s=tcl+hdtv

Thank you in advance for any input!

bigb3n21 03-07-2013 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theclutch (Post 58071204)
is this a good deal? i need a TV in my room for streaming and xbox.....

Pretty good deal. Not many TVs out there 50" and above will give this nice pic quality for under $500. Can't recommend it enough.

theclutch 03-07-2013 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigb3n21 (Post 58071228)
Pretty good deal. Not many TVs out there 50" and above will give this nice pic quality for under $500. Can't recommend it enough.

thx, gonna get one!

bigb3n21 03-07-2013 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by movingincircles (Post 58071212)
LOL
Amazing at what else you can Google:
http://img811.imageshack.us/img81...7at536.png


BRO. :wave:

HAHAHAHAHA! Omfg you're an idiot! You think there are other people out there that use the same screen name? Ever thought of that bro? Damn you are really a sensitive person to get so worked up over a TELEVISION thread. It's a good deal on a good tv, why come on here and thread crap and start stuff online with people you don't even know? Seriously this has been a good laugh for me, thanks for that! :wave:

Quote:

Originally Posted by theclutch (Post 58071242)
thx, gonna get one!

http://m.cnet.com/reviews/samsung...0/35169613

Cnet loved the tv and they're generally sticklers about pic quality. Just in case you need a little more convincing. lol

movingincircles 03-07-2013 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigb3n21 (Post 58071276)
HAHAHAHAHA! Omfg you're an idiot! You think there are other people out there that use the same screen name? Ever thought of that bro? Damn you are really a sensitive person to get so worked up over a TELEVISION thread. It's a good deal on a good tv, why come on here and thread crap and start stuff online with people you don't even know? Seriously this has been a good laugh for me, thanks for that! :wave:

yeah bigb3n21 is such a "common name".
someone's mad. lololololol

it's ok, you can go release some stress later on camera.

bigb3n21 03-07-2013 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peglegrook (Post 58071216)
I've been watching this TV for a couple of weeks now, and as others have said this is a great price.

I'm looking to buy a TV to put in a small gym in our building (3 treadmills, some weights, etc). Budget wise this TV seems to be the ticket for that purpose.

My concerns are that the gym is lit by fluorescent light, and I'm afraid that this might make the picture hard to view; both because of the brightness and because of the glare. Does anyone have any input on if this unit would really be a good choice for this application?

Or would I be better off with an LCD like this?
http://www.amazon.com/LE46FHDE530...s=tcl+hdtv

Thank you in advance for any input!

If you can control the light, this is an amazing set. But being honest, this tv does wash out in bright light and does have some glare to it. At times you can use it as a mirror lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by movingincircles (Post 58071340)
someone's mad. lololololol

Ya, you? Haha
I'm good, you're the one going to great lengths trying to make me look like a fool when all you're doing is making yourself look dumb. :)

It is common, I've tried registering it for mail accounts and XBL and it's already taken. So there ya go.

securety10 03-07-2013 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuseHoo (Post 58066292)
Thoughts on this as a bedroom tv?

That is what I use mine for, though it was not my intention. It does have an excellent picture but even turning down all the options it can still be rather bright if light affects you when trying to fall asleep. Overall, mine was a great deal (I'm one of the lucky ones that scored mine NIB last year at Target for $299) and I'm glad I picked it up, even if it is overkill and I had no use for it at the time. The only down side is if you want to use it as an alarm clock, the wake timer only allows you to choose the coax or USB input in the regular menu (no hdmi). There is a workaround using the secret 'hotel menu' to force the TV to wake on hdmi.

For anyone that wants to use it, to get to the hotel menu:
1) Turn the TV OFF
2) Enter 'MUTE', '1', '8', '2', and press 'Power'. This needs to be done fairly quickly.
3) TV should power on to the Service Menu. Choose 'Control' and then select 'Hotel Option'.
4) For 'Power on Source' you can select hdmi.
5) Cycle TV power to exit the menu.

There are options for many other things in these secret menus. The only down side to them is they will negate some of the normal menus. Also, the time will have to be reset every time you enter the service menu.

Edit: Seeing as a poster below noted as much I will add in a YMMV here. Don't just go randomly selecting different things in all the different menus, it could be possible to brick the TV. You should be safe with anything in the 'Hotel Options' which allows the mapping of channels, some different options for music, and other things along those lines, but if you aren't sure what something is in another menu, don't mess with it...

Edit 2: I guess my TV is a D450 (last years model) but all the specs look pretty much the same and seeing as the above works for many Samsung TVs I'd imagine it is valid on the E450 though wording may be changed slightly.

tobyttu 03-07-2013 05:54 PM

Good deal. I am regretful now.

bigb3n21 03-07-2013 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by securety10 (Post 58071432)
That is what I use mine for, though it was not my intention. It does have an excellent picture but even turning down all the options it can still be rather bright if light affects you when trying to fall asleep. Overall, mine was a great deal (I'm one of the lucky ones that scored mine NIB last year at Target for $299) and I'm glad I picked it up, even if it is overkill and I had no use for it at the time. The only down side is if you want to use it as an alarm clock, the wake timer only allows you to choose the coax or USB input in the regular menu (no hdmi). There is a workaround using the secret 'hotel menu' to force the TV to wake on hdmi.

For anyone that wants to use it, to get to the hotel menu:
1) Turn the TV OFF
2) Enter 'MUTE', '1', '8', '2', and press 'Power'. This needs to be done fairly quickly.
3) TV should power on to the Service Menu. Choose 'Control' and then select 'Hotel Option'.
4) For 'Power on Source' you can select hdmi.
5) Cycle TV power to exit the menu.

There are options for many other things in these secret menus. The only down side to them is they will negate some of the normal menus. Also, the time will have to be reset every time you enter the service menu.

I've always wanted to get to the service menu on mine to try and tweak the pic settings, have you done that before? And does it give any significant benefits?

movingincircles 03-07-2013 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigb3n21 (Post 58071356)
Ya, you? Haha
I'm good, you're the one going to great lengths trying to make me look like a fool when all you're doing is making yourself look dumb. :)

It is common, I've tried registering it for mail accounts and XBL and it's already taken. So there ya go.




10 seconds of Googling does not mean "great lengths".
you can try to hide all of your shame, but Google never lies. I'm done reading your replies. This conversation is reddit worthy. hahahahhahahahaha
:wave:

bigb3n21 03-07-2013 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by movingincircles (Post 58071506)
10 seconds of Googling does not mean "great lengths".
you can try to hide all of your shame, but Google never lies. I'm done reading your replies. This conversation is reddit worthy. hahahahhahahahaha
:wave:

Lol if it makes your life any more meaningful then by all means post it. No shame here even if that was me :) I know that people reading this forum will see you as the jerk and me as the person here to help people with deals. Which this website is designed for. If you're in the mood for arguing or putting people down, I suggest finding another forum to use for that. Have a good day tho and God bless.


Bro :)

Cuteman 03-07-2013 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mD- (Post 58064594)
So cheap! but at that size you have to go 1080p.

That must be why it's Samsung's #1 sku.... :rolleyes:

mankix 03-07-2013 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigb3n21 (Post 58071498)
I've always wanted to get to the service menu on mine to try and tweak the pic settings, have you done that before? And does it give any significant benefits?

It can benefit you IF you know what you are doing and have the proper tools (highly unlikely as you're asking about the service menu).

In all, I would suggest not going into the service menu. Use the user menus to calibrate your tv with a blu ray calibration disk or something along those lines.

If you want to do the little stuff like doing what the other person did, that is all fine and such, but me personally, I wouldn't touch the picture settings in the service menu. Just changing some things in a service menu could render your TV useless.

securety10 03-07-2013 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigb3n21 (Post 58071498)
I've always wanted to get to the service menu on mine to try and tweak the pic settings, have you done that before? And does it give any significant benefits?

All I did with mine was set the energy savings to highest in the hotel menu. What this does is puts the 'Dynamic' option somewhere between the original 'Dynamic' and 'Power Save' modes. I am happy with that, especially for a bedroom, as the original 'Dynamic' setting is a bit bright and the 'Power Save' is a bit dim. There are more options in one of the other menus for making fine adjustments, but I never did any more than look at them. If I actually had some calibrated settings I would maybe do some adjusting, but it would be just trial and error and due to the fact you have to shut off the tv to get out of the service menu then turn it on to see how it looks and then back off to enter the code to get back into the service menu to make new adjustments, well I just never found the picture bad enough that I needed to spend a bunch of time messing with it. To each his own though.

thumper300zx 03-07-2013 07:07 PM

If it were really an amazing price, it wouldn't still be available after being FP for the past 8 hours.

I got one of these 9 months ago for $450 and it took two months to sell it for $500.

If you want to use as a monitor, for games, BLU RAY, slide show (showing digital images), or any 1080p content, you may as well just not get it. If all you want to do is watch TV and DVD's, be my guest...I'm sure it's great for that. And I love the several posts saying they replaced their non-disclosed brands 1080p TVs with this because it's so much better. Make legitimate comparisons, please.

bigb3n21 03-07-2013 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumper300zx (Post 58072846)
If it were really an amazing price, it wouldn't still be available after being FP for the past 8 hours.

I got one of these 9 months ago for $450 and it took two months to sell it for $500.

If you want to use as a monitor, for games, BLU RAY, slide show (showing digital images), or any 1080p content, you may as well just not get it. If all you want to do is watch TV and DVD's, be my guest...I'm sure it's great for that. And I love the several posts saying they replaced their non-disclosed brands 1080p TVs with this because it's so much better. Make legitimate comparisons, please.

I only game (xbox, ps3) and watch Blu rays on it and can say from personal experience that it looks better than the 60" sharp aquos in the living room. I replaced a Samsung Led and Lg led (both 1080) with this and this was night and day better. Again, just personal experience. But for people who want a good quality set on a budget, this seems like a good deal. If
I had more money to spend I'd obviously go 1080 but being on a tight college budget this is great.

bigb3n21 03-07-2013 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mankix (Post 58072500)
It can benefit you IF you know what you are doing and have the proper tools (highly unlikely as you're asking about the service menu).

In all, I would suggest not going into the service menu. Use the user menus to calibrate your tv with a blu ray calibration disk or something along those lines.

If you want to do the little stuff like doing what the other person did, that is all fine and such, but me personally, I wouldn't touch the picture settings in the service menu. Just changing some things in a service menu could render your TV useless.

I've tried researching as much as I can and I'd know enough not to brick the set (hopefully) lol just didn't know of anyone with this set who had done it themselves.. Seems like the gains aren't enough to warrant digging through all the menus.

Quote:

Originally Posted by securety10 (Post 58072704)
All I did with mine was set the energy savings to highest in the hotel menu. What this does is puts the 'Dynamic' option somewhere between the original 'Dynamic' and 'Power Save' modes. I am happy with that, especially for a bedroom, as the original 'Dynamic' setting is a bit bright and the 'Power Save' is a bit dim. There are more options in one of the other menus for making fine adjustments, but I never did any more than look at them. If I actually had some calibrated settings I would maybe do some adjusting, but it would be just trial and error and due to the fact you have to shut off the tv to get out of the service menu then turn it on to see how it looks and then back off to enter the code to get back into the service menu to make new adjustments, well I just never found the picture bad enough that I needed to spend a bunch of time messing with it. To each his own though.

Ya seems like too much of a hassle for minimal gains. Thanks for the input tho!

AmanO 03-07-2013 07:34 PM

So only one (?) person here has compared this panel in person to a Sammy 1080p plasma?

Is there a way to delete all other posts with "comparisons'?

clearanceman 03-07-2013 07:36 PM

To all the snobs, I got this last year and it is excellent. Great picture quality, unlimited angles, blacks are black, movement is crisp and clear. Looks fantastic, don't believe the 1080 people unless you plan to use this as a computer monitor. And then 1080 is too low for resolution for this size.

clearanceman 03-07-2013 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigb3n21 (Post 58069728)
Had it at Fry's on a one day sale back in December. Went through 2 1080p led sets and this is hands down the better tv, not even close.


LOL that's just ignorant. This tv is great for the price, it can't be beat.

This particular TV has a great picture. My buddy has a 720 LG plasma and it doesn't look as good IMO.

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Originally Posted by thumper300zx (Post 58072846)
If it were really an amazing price, it wouldn't still be available after being FP for the past 8 hours.

I got one of these 9 months ago for $450 and it took two months to sell it for $500.

If you want to use as a monitor, for games, BLU RAY, slide show (showing digital images), or any 1080p content, you may as well just not get it. If all you want to do is watch TV and DVD's, be my guest...I'm sure it's great for that. And I love the several posts saying they replaced their non-disclosed brands 1080p TVs with this because it's so much better. Make legitimate comparisons, please.

I haven't seen a 1080 that looks better than this TV but I haven't looked at $1500 TVs either. There is not a $400 50 inch LCD out there that looks as good as this TV period.

cs83 03-07-2013 08:16 PM

Got this same TV on black friday last year from Sears for the same price or a little lower after cashback from all the sites..I like it, cant tell the difference from 1080p at a normal viewing distance. Good deal in my book and I'd buy another at this price if I was looking for a new TV. Agree with the previous poster, you won't find a better similarly priced LCD that looks this good!

geniv 03-07-2013 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by clearanceman (Post 58073348)
To all the snobs, I got this last year and it is excellent. Great picture quality, unlimited angles, blacks are black, movement is crisp and clear. Looks fantastic, don't believe the 1080 people unless you plan to use this as a computer monitor. And then 1080 is too low for resolution for this size.

I was going to say the same thing. I'm a tech snob also
720 is fine for a HDTV if you are using it strictly for movies

but when u start to do other PC related content/work I find nothing short of 1080p irrating.

eggsalad 03-07-2013 08:31 PM

DEAD DEAd DEAD

jsmoov 03-07-2013 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by michray (Post 58064846)
I bought this TV last year. Its been great...no complaints at all.

I jumped in earlier this evening and got mine..no brainer for me..I have a similiar model last year thru a Target sale deal I learned about year HD pic quality is awesome. free shipping makes this even sweeter.

alien4321 03-08-2013 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by securety10 (Post 58071432)
... (I'm one of the lucky ones that scored mine NIB last year at Target for $299)...
...For anyone that wants to use it, to get to the hotel menu:
...
...my TV is a D450 (last years model) but all the specs look pretty much the same...

I am another of the lucky ones and also keep it in a bedroom. The "Hotel Menu" is also where you locate the total hours on the TV(...SVC->Panel Display Time). One of the biggest differences between this E450 and last year's D450 is that the former is 1024 X 768 and last year's was 1366 X 768.

This talk of 720/1080...with 20x20 vision from 10 feet away from a 50" TV the human eye cannot tell the difference...so distance needs to be considered...http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/

ChrisP8282 03-08-2013 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AznCracker (Post 58067280)
Alright, then I guess we agree that the resolution for this size is totally subjective.

No, not subjective at all. If you came here and claimed you could tell the difference between 720p and 1080p at 25 feet on a 42" screen I'd call BS and I'd be right. This isn't a matter of personal opinion, it's a matter of science. The human eyeball can only distinguish so much detail the farther you are from something. Each person's eye is different so there is some variation from the mean, but YOUR situation is still well within that variation, thus it's perfectly acceptable.

cooidude0 03-10-2013 08:39 PM

I agree with Chris, I just bought this same model from a Pawn shop on Saturday for $350 "new out of the box". From 5-feet away it was obvious, especially with a 1080p LED tv next to it. But from 10-12 feet away I can't tell it's 720p. It definitely has a nice screen for what it is.

It's a funny story, I was looking on Craigslist for TV's and saw a guy asking $625 FIRM for this PN51E450 model and he put a link to BB in his ad. When I clicked the link, BB said it was $499.99 with free shipping. So I emailed him letting him know and he writes back, "so are you going to buy the TV or complain about the price?" LoL! So I missed this deal at $430, ended up getting it for $350. It's rated to use only 99-watts, where the 1080p model uses 220-watts.

amc1870 03-11-2013 12:03 PM

Anybody get theirs shipped yet? I ordered mine Thursday afternoon and its status is now recorded as backordered.

escapingreality 03-11-2013 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by amc1870 (Post 58144730)
Anybody get theirs shipped yet? I ordered mine Thursday afternoon and its status is now recorded as backordered.

mine shipped thursday a few hours after i ordered it and it is at local facility

SeattleScott 03-13-2013 10:36 AM

My tracking info has stated, "CALLED TO SCHEDULE APPOINTMENT", for the last TWO DAYS although i haven't received a call. Is this normal?

jtravisdavid 03-13-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleScott (Post 58193764)
My tracking info has stated, "CALLED TO SCHEDULE APPOINTMENT", for the last TWO DAYS although i haven't received a call. Is this normal?

Mine said the same thing yesterday...I called the customer service yesterday and got scheduled a delivery for this morning.

ns6490 03-13-2013 10:10 PM

Ordered the TV on the 7th, and it was delivered today. Pretty happy with it. Thanks, OP.

WingedWheel 03-14-2013 09:06 PM

Got this on Black Friday at Kmart. Great TV, cant beat the price. The picture is excellent and the aduio is a lot better than most other TV's in this price range. A little adjusting the colors were superb. I liek the remote with illuminated buttons too, nice touch. Only downside for me personally is USB is on back of TV, whereas earlier models had it on the bottom/side for much easier access. But it will play virtually any format right from USB port, except for some really high bitrate 1080p videos (which are not typical)

jtravisdavid 03-15-2013 01:43 PM

Follow up
 
I just wanted to follow up as I have had mine a couple days. I am quite happy with this tv. The picture quality is great. It is obviously NOT 1080p when viewing from 5 or 6 feet, but step back to 10 feet and beyond and I cannot tell the difference. Perfect for my room size. Thanks.


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