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Tike71 03-19-2013 07:14 PM

2013 eBay fee increase: 10% flat fee. Bad news for sellers
 
Heads up eBay will be charging a 10% flat fee across all categories coming April 16th 2013
Those with eBay stores will be charged fees that will vary with different categories starting from 4% on 05/01/13
http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinfor...ation.html

This rate calculator shows the old and new fees and how much they will be milking sellers
http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinfor...lator.html



For the consumer electronics category you're going to be paying 43%-209% more than you pay now.

Old vs new fees. Free shipping offered
$20 fvf = $1.40 vs $2 (increase of 43%)
$100 fvf = $6 vs $10 (increase of 66.7%)
$250 fvf = $13.50 vs $25 (increase of 85%)
$500 fvf = $26 vs $50 (increase of 92.3%)
$1,000 fvf = $51 vs $100 (increase of 98%)
$1,500 fvf = $61 vs $150 (increase of 146%)
$2,000 fvf = $71 vs $200 (increase of 182%)
$2,500 fvf = $81 vs $250 (increase of 209%)
$5,000 fvf = $131 vs $250 (increase of 91%)
$10,925 fvf = $250 vs $250

SIR_of_Cricket 03-19-2013 07:27 PM

they were already charging way too much....

tran1981 03-19-2013 07:30 PM

wow, 10% plus paypal fee 3%

kbenson 03-19-2013 07:55 PM

Find and use alternate sites - i.e ubid or even amazon. (Yes Amazon charges crazy fees too, but at least they are not in bed with Paypunk)

The more people that get feet out of the mud and make fleabay realize they are not the only player in the town, the less likely they will increase fees.

fyu 03-19-2013 08:14 PM

holy crap. some of my items would double in fee price.

christ!

EdMcK515 03-19-2013 10:08 PM

Ugh. Looks like I'm going to start moving more stuff to Craigslist. I sell a decent amount on eBay, because even with the fees its convenient enough to deal with it. This is getting absurd.

Edit: Been playing around with the eBay fee calculator and punching in my recent sales (some laptops, tablets, slingboxes, etc.). Fee is at least double. The new fees for the store is actually cheaper. Looks like eBay is using mob tactics to push more people into buying eBay stores.

curiouslybrown 03-19-2013 10:15 PM

Why doesn't eBay have competition?

PandaHouse 03-19-2013 10:21 PM

Going thru their fee comparison page, the math makes it seems like their trying to convert more small sellers into paying the monthly fee for a storefront subscription.

Mr_El_Cheapo 03-19-2013 10:34 PM

That's because they must pay their CEOs outrageous salary.

http://www.reuters.com/article/20...ews&rpc=43

stereo55 03-20-2013 12:33 AM

Geez , Ive not used Ebay recently due to their current fees , so now I'll just eliminate them altogether .

Thx for the heads up .

lodoss22 03-20-2013 03:01 AM

Jesus F. Christ, man. This shit is getting redonkulous. F U Meg and the whole eBay staff.

Rainjet 03-20-2013 04:41 AM

farking hell....

A $250 item goes from $19.20 in fees to $27 - Plus paypal.

catnapped 03-20-2013 05:52 AM

Don't be surprised if Paypal raises their fees as well

ElBerryKM13 03-20-2013 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by curiouslybrown (Post 58334450)
Why doesn't eBay have competition?

This is the million dollars question. They can raise the price and people will still use them because there is not a direct competitor. These fees are insane for a cmpany already having billions in profits every year.

fyu 03-20-2013 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiaBlo666 (Post 58338174)
This is the million dollars question. They can raise the price and people will still use them because there is not a direct competitor. These fees are insane for a cmpany already having billions in profits every year.

with a doubling of fees, I think they will lose a lot of small sellers. All the stores and big sellers will stay but double fees really kills the occasional seller.

carby 03-20-2013 06:49 AM

I dropped them already after the last fee hike, this is now even more of a joke.

dsandsake 03-20-2013 07:25 AM

So many scammers on eBay nowadays anyway. For now, I go to craigslist first and if it doesn't sell there I go to Amazon.

MaizeOut 03-20-2013 07:41 AM

Not just 10%. For a fixed price listing, it's used to be much much cheaper in fees. Now, you pay the same.

So, say, for a $2000 digital camera, now the fee is $71.50. It'll be $200 after the new fee. Ouch.

This page tells you old and new fees:

http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinfor...lator.html

MJB201011 03-20-2013 07:50 AM

Ebay will not make more money by doing this. Sellers will go elsewhere...

deshwasi 03-20-2013 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaizeOut (Post 58339558)
Not just 10%. For a fixed price listing, it's used to be much much cheaper in fees. Now, you pay the same.

So, say, for a $2000 digital camera, now the fee is $71.50. It'll be $200 after the new fee. Ouch.

This page tells you old and new fees:

http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinfor...lator.html

thats insane.

busyness 03-20-2013 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsandsake (Post 58339256)
So many scammers on eBay nowadays anyway.

I hope that the new money ebay will be getting goes towards addressing scammers

Brattles 03-20-2013 08:12 AM

"auction-style listings purchased with Buy It Now will remain for sale until a buyer has paid for the item"

daniel32 03-20-2013 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by batterycharger (Post 58340282)
"auction-style listings purchased with Buy It Now will remain for sale until a buyer has paid for the item"

That was already there with "immediate payment required"

lennoxlennox 03-20-2013 08:50 AM

i only sold the odd item on ebay but stopped years ago because their fees were a pita

no small guy is going to use them and if they do, they won't repeat

i only buy on ebay now, but looks like that will probably slow down as finding bargains will be harder because they wipe out the little guy and the big guys aren't were the bargains are at

catnapped 03-20-2013 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by busyness (Post 58340126)
I hope that the new money ebay will be getting goes towards addressing scammers

Wanna buy a bridge?

Catsanova 03-20-2013 09:01 AM

thanks for the info.i dont sell much but ill make sure i get things that i put off selling,sold before the fees go up.then i wont use them to sell unless i really need the money.farking greedy company.

Buckyball60 03-20-2013 09:03 AM

I don't know why people still listing items on ebay. They are farking out of their mind with the fees.

busyness 03-20-2013 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catnapped (Post 58341300)
Wanna buy a bridge?

Maybe if the bridge makes it FP ;)

johnyeros 03-20-2013 09:37 AM

i love how their new fees page show how GREAT it's to have all these free listing and 5000 free auction blah blah blah and then toward the end they didn't really mention they increased the rate, they just list it -- basically.. here're some candies, here's a popcorn. Here's a ANAL RAPAGE!!!

MaizeOut 03-20-2013 11:15 AM

This should be thumbed up, not down, to let everyone aware of it.

EdMcK515 03-20-2013 01:09 PM

I've been liking Amazon more and more lately. They're still not the best with fees, but I seem to sell quicker there and buyers seem more willing to pay for shipping (eBay buyers will knock you for even charging actual postage), plus you don't have to use PayPal, another plus.

jamey1010 03-20-2013 01:30 PM

I may have to take another look at Amazon too, I did notice not all categories are available to sell in, for instance I have a lot of tea from our deals and it doesn't sell for crap on eBay but I bet it would on amazon and they block the grocery and gourmet food category unless your a professional seller for 39.95 a month.

What seems to be the next best or better depending on how you look at it to Paypal?

Olafur 03-20-2013 06:05 PM

You know what's absolutely hilarious? eBay reps have been doing Q&As in their forum and one seller asked exactly how these new fees would, as eBay claims, save them money. Rather than post an answer in the forum for everyone to see, an eBay rep proceeded to send some secretive answer via a private message to the seller. No joke:

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/topic/...5200142248 :lmao::lmao::lmao:

I mean, seriously?! WTF. If these up new fees were so great, why not share the news with everyone? :mad:

In fairness to eBay, there are a small number of set ups where you will indeed save money from these new fees, but it seems like the majority of sellers (including sellers with any kind of store) will be losing money.

Nevertheless, I'm really happy to see that there are going to be fewer ways for buyers to get away with bidding/buying for fun and not paying. That I can stand behind.

Technosquid 03-20-2013 06:09 PM

I really hope this opens the door to a competitor. I'd love to see google enter this arena as a way to promote their google wallet payment platform. All it would need to be is an android and chrome app.

runIrish24 03-20-2013 06:47 PM

Glad I'll be out of college soon with a job because these fees will kill my profits. My mini business won't be worth the time anymore. I hope a bunch of sellers tell eBay to F off.

adnan 03-22-2013 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by batterycharger (Post 58340282)
"auction-style listings purchased with Buy It Now will remain for sale until a buyer has paid for the item"

Are you saying that now if a Buyer chooses "Buy It Now" in "Auction-Style" and the Seller DOES NOT have the "Immediate Payment Required" option checked, it will remain for sale until the Buyer pays for it ?

Any link to it ?

fyu 03-22-2013 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olafur (Post 58355886)
...

Nevertheless, I'm really happy to see that there are going to be fewer ways for buyers to get away with bidding/buying for fun and not paying. That I can stand behind.

what changes?

blackblaze 03-22-2013 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tike71 (Post 58331116)
Heads up eBay will be charging a 10% flat fee across all categories coming April 16th 2013
Those with eBay stores will be charged fees that will vary with different categories starting from 4% on 05/01/13
http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinfor...ation.html

This rate calculator shows the old and new fees and how much they will be milking sellers
http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinfor...lator.html



For the consumer electronics category you're going to be paying 43%-209% more than you pay now.

Old vs new fees. Free shipping offered
$20 fvf = $1.40 vs $2 (increase of 43%)
$100 fvf = $6 vs $10 (increase of 66.7%)
$250 fvf = $13.50 vs $25 (increase of 85%)
$500 fvf = $26 vs $50 (increase of 92.3%)
$1,000 fvf = $51 vs $100 (increase of 98%)
$1,500 fvf = $61 vs $150 (increase of 146%)
$2,000 fvf = $71 vs $200 (increase of 182%)
$2,500 fvf = $81 vs $250 (increase of 209%)
$5,000 fvf = $131 vs $250 (increase of 91%)
$10,925 fvf = $250 vs $250

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCBiEIb2asQ

Where is King Leonidas to kick the crap out of John Donahoe :mad2:

blackblaze 03-22-2013 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_El_Cheapo (Post 58334770)
That's because they must pay their CEOs outrageous salary.

http://www.reuters.com/article/20...ews&rpc=43

Bet you that will be 40 million for 2013 after the fee hike. :mad:

This is the same type of CEO leadership move that doomed JcPenney when they felt they knew their customers and removed the coupons for everyday pricing, and look at where they are now. But no competition makes it hard to put eBay on the brink to really want to do right by both buyers AND sellers :facepalm2:

joogle 03-22-2013 08:23 AM

the sucky thing about amazon is a person can return the item even close to 90 days, i had a bad experience with that once

EvilRyu666 03-22-2013 08:41 AM

They're even increasing the store listing fees. premium store was 49.95, now will be 59.95. You get 500 free listings, but any above that will have a .10 insertion fee, which is double the current .05. I usually have about 1200-1300 items listed which basically means it's going to cost me about 40.00 more per month just to list the current number of listings I do.

Ebay must just really hate seeing any of their customers make any money. Every year it gets harder and harder.

blackblaze 03-22-2013 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joogle (Post 58390606)
the sucky thing about amazon is a person can return the item even close to 90 days, i had a bad experience with that once

Yeah, Amazon SUCKS BALLS when it comes to cradling their buyers with returns and making the sellers out to be the bad guys, as if Amazon are the perfect sellers themselves and never make a mistake :nono:


Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilRyu666 (Post 58391012)
They're even increasing the store listing fees. premium store was 49.95, now will be 59.95. You get 500 free listings, but any above that will have a .10 insertion fee, which is double the current .05. I usually have about 1200-1300 items listed which basically means it's going to cost me about 40.00 more per month just to list the current number of listings I do.

Ebay must just really hate seeing any of their customers make any money. Every year it gets harder and harder.

CEO's wife got tired of living in their 10,000 sq ft home and driving $100k cars. She said do something about this or Im cutting you off, as I want more. Donahue thinking, ok, ok, ok...I'll just up the fees on the sellers on eBay :facepalm2:

Perks of being the CEO in this day and age :rolleyes:

scb435 03-22-2013 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackblaze (Post 58394682)
Yeah, Amazon SUCKS BALLS when it comes to cradling their buyers with returns and making the sellers out to be the bad guys, as if Amazon are the perfect sellers themselves and never make a mistake :nono:

Yes Amazon is horrible. Buyer decides to screw you, invokes "A-Z Guarantee", and as a seller you're toast. Amazon literally does not care what your side of the story is, the money is going to be refunded and you're either on the hook for it or at best you get a strike against you. Been there, done that, with a bitch who wanted free printer ink. And she got it.

They are not an option for me.

blackblaze 03-22-2013 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scb435 (Post 58394900)
Yes Amazon is horrible. Buyer decides to screw you, invokes "A-Z Guarantee", and as a seller you're toast. Amazon literally does not care what your side of the story is, the money is going to be refunded and you're either on the hook for it or at best you get a strike against you. Been there, done that, with a bitch who wanted free printer ink. And she got it.

They are not an option for me.

Yeah, I've heard the horror stories :facepalm2:. Amazon doesn't even care if it was brand new, sealed, shipped directly from the manufacturer. Buyer is ALWAYS right in Amazon's world. At least with eBay, you have a forum to fight, but not with Amazon. :nono1:

Olafur 03-22-2013 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adnan (Post 58388450)
Are you saying that now if a Buyer chooses "Buy It Now" in "Auction-Style" and the Seller DOES NOT have the "Immediate Payment Required" option checked, it will remain for sale until the Buyer pays for it ?

Any link to it ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by fyu (Post 58389024)
what changes?

Yes, eBay has indeed made some changes to reduce NPBs. See http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinfor...items.html for the full details.

Basically, BIN listings, Best Offer listings, and auctions that are ended with the BIN option will all continue to stay open until the buyer actually pays. This change will start in May with the Computers & Tablets, Jewelry & Watches, and Art categories and rolled out to the other categories by the end of the year.

The one downside to all of this is that buyers who want to buy multiple items from one seller and receive an automatic shipping discount (pre-programmed by the seller into the listings) will be required to use eBay's shopping cart feature. If they don't know how to use that, they won't get the discount. They also can't "commit" to buy and wait for a seller to send them an updated invoice because payment will actually be required to finalize a sale. The "commitment" step will be no more.

kbenson 03-22-2013 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joogle (Post 58390606)
the sucky thing about amazon is a person can return the item even close to 90 days, i had a bad experience with that once

Yes this is really crazy.

Happened to me on day 89 - customer said the item was too big for his head (delivered 85 days prior)

Had to give him a full refund to include shipping.:vomit:

mrtrance 03-22-2013 11:29 PM

I guess we as sellers need to raise the prices a bit to compensate instead of trying to undercut each other. Like if item is nornally selling for $300 on amazon and on ebay the lowest is like $220 people start to raise those prices to $230-$240 then we can offset some of the new fees. But that would need everyone to be on same page which is impossible to control and people will still try to undercut left and right to try to get rid of their item.

mirai 03-23-2013 03:34 PM

Can I sell on rakuten (buy.com) or that's only for the big guys?

sd444 03-23-2013 04:16 PM

:crying:

The tears of flippers are delicious.

TheJagMan 03-23-2013 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sd444 (Post 58421448)
:crying:

The tears of flippers are delicious.

lol :d

blackblaze 03-27-2013 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtrance (Post 58410728)
I guess we as sellers need to raise the prices a bit to compensate instead of trying to undercut each other. Like if item is nornally selling for $300 on amazon and on ebay the lowest is like $220 people start to raise those prices to $230-$240 then we can offset some of the new fees. But that would need everyone to be on same page which is impossible to control and people will still try to undercut left and right to try to get rid of their item.

Yes, for everyone to be on the same page would mean everyone to be in the same financial situation and thought process to do business. As you said, impossible. You probably have folks on here who would rather do a sale for $5 vs waiting patiently to do a sale that yields $50.

fyu 03-27-2013 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackblaze (Post 58494574)
Yes, for everyone to be on the same page would mean everyone to be in the same financial situation and thought process to do business. As you said, impossible. You probably have folks on here who would rather do a sale for $5 vs waiting patiently to do a sale that yields $50.

I accidententally waited over a year for the "$50" scenario. Totally forgot about the stuff too.

TweeterThePenguin 04-02-2013 10:54 AM

Well...I was just complaining about how much the fees are currently, looks like I will be selling elsewhere from here on out. I hope their stock drops to $1.00/share.

The-Alchemist 04-02-2013 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qbsbb9 (Post 58617564)
Well...I was just complaining about how much the fees are currently, looks like I will be selling elsewhere from here on out. I hope their stock drops to $1.00/share.

Where will you be selling amazon costs just as much.

Anyway.. Anyone try ebays global shipping thing? Or ebays new easy return thing. They have a warehouse now that can hold your items like amazon from my understanding

Juanleeto 04-02-2013 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sd444 (Post 58421448)
:crying:

The tears of flippers are delicious.

Couldn't agree more....lmao

bluejen 04-02-2013 11:13 AM

I sold on eBay for several years starting in the 90s. Quit due to health issues in 2007 and now I'm glad I did. There have been SO many crappy changes since then, it's unreal. I was going to start selling a bit here and there, but am having second thoughts.

The main problem is that aside from Amazon, the competition just doesn't get the traffic. Even on Amazon, it seems as though third party sellers are usually higher that Amazon itself.

There's Bonanza which may be the closest to eBay. So many others have tried and have failed miserably or are failing. Ebid and ioffer are two off the top of my head. I even tried ecrater, which is totally free, but that didn't get traffic either. Feebay must pay gazillions to Google and these other guys just can't compete.

The DSRs (the stars) and not being able to leave neg FB for buyers are just two of the clusterf*** things they pulled. And this may not sound like a big deal, but you can't use a wildcard (the *) anymore to search. That hurts buyers AND sellers. From what I understand, they just bought some new kind of searching software which is maybe why no more wildcard allowed.

If you use ebay at all, http://www.ecommercebytes.com is worth getting, usually lots of heads up stuff on there. Its free and has all sorts of inside scoops on the goings on of ebay, Amazon and others. EOR ;)

AlxFonso 04-02-2013 11:15 AM

if i purchase the ebay store option for a year at 15.95 a month...

it ends up being the same as it use to be for me...

yes i know ebay is scamming but its my main option for making dough..

henryondeals 04-02-2013 12:09 PM

wtf????!!!!?!?!

CyberGuy 04-02-2013 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtrance (Post 58410728)
I guess we as sellers need to raise the prices a bit to compensate instead of trying to undercut each other. Like if item is nornally selling for $300 on amazon and on ebay the lowest is like $220 people start to raise those prices to $230-$240 then we can offset some of the new fees. But that would need everyone to be on same page which is impossible to control and people will still try to undercut left and right to try to get rid of their item.

HAHA, nice! An ebay cartel.

mrtrance 04-02-2013 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Ritz (Post 58617918)
Where will you be selling amazon costs just as much.

Anyway.. Anyone try ebays global shipping thing? Or ebays new easy return thing. They have a warehouse now that can hold your items like amazon from my understanding

The slight upside to Amazon is that for most items you can get a bit more for it compare to ebay. Like for a laptop that was selling for lowest price at $460 BIN on Ebay with free shipping I was able to sell on AZ for $500 + 8.95 shipping. I've noticed on most items you can price your item 5%-10% higher and come out ahead more compared to selling on Ebay at a lower price point.

henryondeals 04-02-2013 01:05 PM

how the f was ebay planning to notify all of us? i didn't get a message or email from them wtf

SapphieGem 04-02-2013 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Ritz (Post 58617918)
Anyway.. Anyone try ebays global shipping thing?

I tried it one time and will not participate again based on my experience and after reading the ebay discussion boards. I've read of to many issues.

Having the GSP spelled out in the auction, the buyer was from Australia. The GSP charged almost $5.00 for customs fees.She did not want to pay that portion of it as Australia has no customs fees for items under $1000.00. I did refund her that portion of it as the profit margin was enough to do so. So, who really has that $5.00? I wonder. I'm sure it is pitney bows.

The-Alchemist 04-02-2013 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SapphieGem (Post 58622272)
I tried it one time and will not participate again based on my experience and after reading the ebay discussion boards. I've read of to many issues.

Having the GSP spelled out in the auction, the buyer was from Australia. The GSP charged almost $5.00 for customs fees.She did not want to pay that portion of it as Australia has no customs fees for items under $1000.00. I did refund her that portion of it as the profit margin was enough to do so. So, who really has that $5.00? I wonder. I'm sure it is pitney bows.

lol...Thanks for the headsup I am enrolled but nothing I have is listed under it.

iridium 04-02-2013 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Ritz (Post 58617918)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qbsbb9 (Post 58617564)
Well...I was just complaining about how much the fees are currently, looks like I will be selling elsewhere from here on out. I hope their stock drops to $1.00/share.

Where will you be selling amazon costs just as much.

Anyway.. Anyone try ebays global shipping thing? Or ebays new easy return thing. They have a warehouse now that can hold your items like amazon from my understanding

I have put stuff on bonanza.com. Small market but fees are very reasonable, just needs more exposure.

vtc268 04-03-2013 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJB201011 (Post 58339804)
Ebay will not make more money by doing this. Sellers will go elsewhere...

I wish. Just look at their stock, it just keeps going up and up

oyouno 04-03-2013 06:11 PM

wow this is a freaking insane price increase.
I hate ebay and their insane fees, also hate how they always back the buyer and screw over the sellers if issues occur.
When ebay bought paypal it should of gave ebay sellers a 3% discount , instead nothing happened and ebay increased fees.
Now they are raising fees again.....
If anything, the cost of business has gotten cheaper and they should be offering lower fees.
To offset losing customers, they just keep raising fees.

Hopefully one day someone will come along and compete with ebay and their insane fees.


Amazon fees are just as bad.

milko 04-03-2013 06:44 PM

We'd have as much luck trying to dethrone Ebay as finding a unicorn.

wuzzy 04-03-2013 06:53 PM

Cheat and hope you don't get caught by listing in the cheapest FVF category.

ryborg 04-03-2013 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wuzzy (Post 58650930)
Cheat and hope you don't get caught by listing in the cheapest FVF category.

I've tried this in the past and ebay will find out and pull your listings if you do it regularly. Maybe if you do it for one or two big-ticket items, but not day-to-day listings.

gtmaster303 04-05-2013 08:59 PM

Ebay is definitely going to take a hit for this. Small time sellers will not be able to sell anything on eBay anymore, without losing a lot of profit. 10% plus paypal fees is ridiculous
They will have to somehow repeal or fix this, because there's no way everyone will continue to sell

I really hope Google or the government steps in and shakes things up.

LoveBunny 04-06-2013 06:04 AM

Jeeze. Looks like I'll be trying out iOffer, Bonanza and Copious to sell my stuff. I've been doing quite well on Amazon since things I sell there mostly go for a bit more than on Ebay, but I like to sell mixed lots of drugstore cosmetics items I win and you can't do that on Amazon. :(

F*&k Ebay.

gtmaster303 04-06-2013 01:26 PM

Well, they took away fees to list items, but that's like a dollar or two max...
Unless you're a powerseller or constantly sell items, this is a terrible move

Technosquid 04-06-2013 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 58704892)
Well, they took away fees to list items, but that's like a dollar or two max...
Unless you're a powerseller or constantly sell items, this is a terrible move

Well at least they'll stop sending me those "List 2,500 items for free!" messages now.

Willwillx 04-06-2013 01:47 PM

yahoo auctions used to be a good alternative.

Technosquid 04-06-2013 03:28 PM

I really think the only player on the horizon that could emerge to as an alternative to eBay is Google. It would be a good way to promote their Google Checkout / Google Wallet service. Amazon is okay, but it would benefit from a more eBay-style listing for individual sellers... just in case your entire product description can't be summed up in a couple sentences.

kmoff77 04-06-2013 05:27 PM

If you sell regurarly, it might be a good idea to get an ebay store for $20 a month. Save on FVfees and get benefits of putting items on "sale" or listing you as away when you go on vacation.

I'm seriously considering paying the $20 a month.

Here is a good link to see if it's worth your while. http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinfor...rator.html

Friend of Sonic 04-06-2013 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scb435 (Post 58394900)
Yes Amazon is horrible. Buyer decides to screw you, invokes "A-Z Guarantee", and as a seller you're toast. Amazon literally does not care what your side of the story is, the money is going to be refunded and you're either on the hook for it or at best you get a strike against you. Been there, done that, with a bitch who wanted free printer ink. And she got it.

They are not an option for me.

Exactly. When I sold on Amazon, I would get people that said they didn't receive an item, even though delivery confirmation said they did. Most sellers refund before it gets to the claim state; I forced them to file an A-Z so that would go on their accounts as well. I had so many buyers claiming they didn't receive an item that Amazon banned me from selling. They do not recoginize delivery confirmation as valid proof of delivery (or at least they didn't, anyone know if that changed?) Even more laughable, I swear the language on their help page suggested to use signature confirmation on everything, and that "should" cover you as a seller-- FedEx and UPS would be the only definite ways to be covered, which is absurd for games which mostly range from the 4oz-8oz weight.

As much as eBay sucks, they're at least reasonable in that area. DC works, $250 or higher needs signature confirmation. Easy.

I'll have to check again later since I am on my phone, but FVF fared pretty well for video game listings, right?

MyBallsItch 04-06-2013 09:28 PM

What kind of profit margins are ebay sellers getting anyway on say consumer electronics? I ask because ebays cut seems larger than many sellers gross profit margins could be in the first place.

If you have to make some amount just to break even, plus 10% more for ebay plus 3% for paypal, plus 30% taxes plus 20% shipping plus help plus gas... Is it even possible to sell non used non one of a kind things on ebay and make as much money off your own work as ebay makes off you?

SmokeMaxX 04-06-2013 10:55 PM

Does this mean we need to list by April 16th or sell by April 16th?

LegalHustler 04-06-2013 11:08 PM

I've been more successful on Craigslist than eBay.....no selling fee...no paypal fee.....straight cash.

henryondeals 04-07-2013 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmoff77 (Post 58707696)
If you sell regurarly, it might be a good idea to get an ebay store for $20 a month. Save on FVfees and get benefits of putting items on "sale" or listing you as away when you go on vacation.

I'm seriously considering paying the $20 a month.

Here is a good link to see if it's worth your while. http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinfor...rator.html

i think its 15.99 per month if you subscribe for the year, is there any contract we have to sign?

henryondeals 04-07-2013 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyBallsItch (Post 58710406)
What kind of profit margins are ebay sellers getting anyway on say consumer electronics? I ask because ebays cut seems larger than many sellers gross profit margins could be in the first place.

If you have to make some amount just to break even, plus 10% more for ebay plus 3% for paypal, plus 30% taxes plus 20% shipping plus help plus gas... Is it even possible to sell non used non one of a kind things on ebay and make as much money off your own work as ebay makes off you?

it depends on how much you get the actual item for. many things are purchased directly from the manufacturer and drop shipped to the customer. the margins are very small, but power sellers make up for it by selling a high quantity.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegalHustler (Post 58711476)
I've been more successful on Craigslist than eBay.....no selling fee...no paypal fee.....straight cash.

where do you live? i live in a big metropolitan area, but the traffic i get for my items on craigs are nothing compared to ebay. ebay still wins in that department.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeMaxX (Post 58711314)
Does this mean we need to list by April 16th or sell by April 16th?

we really need an answer to this, anyone willing to call ebay?

kmoff77 04-07-2013 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henryondeals (Post 58716268)
i think its 15.99 per month if you subscribe for the year, is there any contract we have to sign?

I forgot about that.

No contract, you just have to pay for the entire year up front.

henryondeals 04-07-2013 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmoff77 (Post 58716696)
I forgot about that.

No contract, you just have to pay for the entire year up front.

there's somewhere that mentions 19.99 too, i'm assuming that's month by month but i haven't really looked into it yet. that could be a good option though.

clippersdeal 04-07-2013 10:55 AM

eBay is a best buy with commission to sellers there without the risk and any inventory. Just traffic and the sellers do all the work for little profit

MyBallsItch 04-07-2013 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henryondeals (Post 58716492)
it depends on how much you get the actual item for. many things are purchased directly from the manufacturer and drop shipped to the customer. the margins are very small, but power sellers make up for it by selling a high quantity.



where do you live? i live in a big metropolitan area, but the traffic i get for my items on craigs are nothing compared to ebay. ebay still wins in that department.



we really need an answer to this, anyone willing to call ebay?

That's what i thought. Ebay must be making more money than the high volume low margin seller. There's something seriously wrong with that.

mrtrance 04-08-2013 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmoff77 (Post 58716696)
I forgot about that.

No contract, you just have to pay for the entire year up front.

So if pay for the year what sort of savings will be seeing then compared to the flat 10% that will go into effect? So if I don't do the store option then for a $300 item ebay will charge $30 FFV...what would my FFV be if I sign up for the store deal?

blackblaze 04-08-2013 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtrance (Post 58735318)
So if pay for the year what sort of savings will be seeing then compared to the flat 10% that will go into effect? So if I don't do the store option then for a $300 item ebay will charge $30 FFV...what would my FFV be if I sign up for the store deal?

You know it would be at least less than $30. Signing up for year is essentially paying for 10 months, but getting twelve months, if you do the basic subscription.

Seems this move is to continue the overall push of eBay being less and less of a marketplace and more and more like shopping at an online retail store.

kmoff77 04-08-2013 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtrance (Post 58735318)
So if pay for the year what sort of savings will be seeing then compared to the flat 10% that will go into effect? So if I don't do the store option then for a $300 item ebay will charge $30 FFV...what would my FFV be if I sign up for the store deal?

It varies depending on the category.

4% Computers/ Tablets & Networking,
Video Game Consoles
6% Consumer Electronics and Cameras & Photos
7% Musical Instruments & Gear
Coins & Paper Money
8% Motors Parts & Accessories
9% Clothing, Shoes & Accessories
Collectibles
Home & Garden
Camera & Photo Accessories
Cell Phone Accessories
All Other Categories

Here is link. http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinfor...ation.html

henryondeals 04-08-2013 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmoff77 (Post 58735906)
It varies depending on the category.

4% Computers/ Tablets & Networking,
Video Game Consoles
6% Consumer Electronics and Cameras & Photos
7% Musical Instruments & Gear
Coins & Paper Money
8% Motors Parts & Accessories
9% Clothing, Shoes & Accessories
Collectibles
Home & Garden
Camera & Photo Accessories
Cell Phone Accessories
All Other Categories

Here is link. http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinfor...ation.html

It's still not clear if we can do a month by month vs 1 year subscription, has anyone figured this out?

mrtrance 04-08-2013 12:04 PM

So if I sell 5 electronic items a month at $200 each then my FFV will be $100 ($20 x 5) total if no estore sub. If do the yearly sub then 5 x $200 each my total FFV would be $60 ($12 x 5). Then you add in the $16 fee per month so it would be total of $75. A savings of $25 or $5 per item. Plus you add in paypal fees of around $6 and the total fees for selling an item at $200 soars to around $26.

If I only do 1-2 transactions a month say at $200 then I would be paying $40 FFV and if estore sub it would be $24 + $16 monthly fee so $40 FFV as well.

So it seems like you need to be doing a good volume of say maybe 10 items or more to see any benefit by doing the monthly subscription deal. Otherwise if I sell the same item on Amazon for $200 my total fees would be around $17. Plus you can even get a bit more higher price on AZ than ebay. So for someone like myself who sells probably less than 10 items a month I might start just doing it full time on AZ (I started since January selling on AZ and so far so good). I get maybe $10 more for an item compared to Ebay plus a bit of the shipping fees are given to us by AZ where as in Ebay I need to do free shipping in order to stay competitive with other sellers.

henryondeals 04-08-2013 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtrance (Post 58736400)
So if I sell 5 electronic items a month at $200 each then my FFV will be $100 ($20 x 5) total if no estore sub. If do the yearly sub then 5 x $200 each my total FFV would be $60 ($12 x 5). Then you add in the $16 fee per month so it would be total of $75. A savings of $25 or $5 per item. Plus you add in paypal fees of around $6 and the total fees for selling an item at $200 soars to around $26.

If I only do 1-2 transactions a month say at $200 then I would be paying $40 FFV and if estore sub it would be $24 + $16 monthly fee so $40 FFV as well.

So it seems like you need to be doing a good volume of say maybe 10 items or more to see any benefit by doing the monthly subscription deal. Otherwise if I sell the same item on Amazon for $200 my total fees would be around $17. Plus you can even get a bit more higher price on AZ than ebay. So for someone like myself who sells probably less than 10 items a month I might start just doing it full time on AZ (I started since January selling on AZ and so far so good). I get maybe $10 more for an item compared to Ebay plus a bit of the shipping fees are given to us by AZ where as in Ebay I need to do free shipping in order to stay competitive with other sellers.

Nothing compares to the exposure you would get from eBay though.

mrtrance 04-08-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henryondeals (Post 58740296)
Nothing compares to the exposure you would get from eBay though.

Ya that is true, but some items seem to sell better on AZ compared to Ebay. A few items I've relisted twice now and not buyers, but selling it on AZ with higher price I'm able to sell a few there already. So it can work better for some times on AZ compared to Ebay. But overall yes Ebay items gets more exposure and sell a bit faster compared to AZ.

Chris2 04-08-2013 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtrance (Post 58740520)
Ya that is true, but some items seem to sell better on AZ compared to Ebay. A few items I've relisted twice now and not buyers, but selling it on AZ with higher price I'm able to sell a few there already. So it can work better for some times on AZ compared to Ebay. But overall yes Ebay items gets more exposure and sell a bit faster compared to AZ.

Plus amazon is the worst with letting buyers return any product they purchase with any BS reason. Although that doesn't mean you can't charge a 15% restocking fee ;)

blackblaze 04-08-2013 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtrance (Post 58740520)
Ya that is true, but some items seem to sell better on AZ compared to Ebay. A few items I've relisted twice now and not buyers, but selling it on AZ with higher price I'm able to sell a few there already. So it can work better for some times on AZ compared to Ebay. But overall yes Ebay items gets more exposure and sell a bit faster compared to AZ.

Cause people hold marketplace sellers to Amazon standards and know Amazon is behind the buyer 110% where as for their seller, they will tell you to bend over and take one for the team if you want to be a part of their cult and sell there. So, that higher price will eventually be eaten up when you deal with a scummy buyer who hides behind Amazon's protection.

Also, the Amazon standard that is used against sellers are not the same standards they uphold themselves :facepalm2:

Olafur 04-09-2013 03:25 PM

I highly recommend that anyone who has questions about the changes spend some time browsing the 2013 Spring Seller Update forum [ebay.com], where many eBay reps answered users' questions back in mid-March.

Here are some official answers to two issues that have been discussed in this thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmoff77 (Post 58716696)
I forgot about that.

No contract, you just have to pay for the entire year up front.

Quote:

Originally Posted by henryondeals (Post 58736216)
It's still not clear if we can do a month by month vs 1 year subscription, has anyone figured this out?

If you commit to a one-year contract, you are still charged on a monthly basis. See here [ebay.com] (where they also discuss early termination fees), here [ebay.com], and here [ebay.com].

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeMaxX (Post 58711314)
Does this mean we need to list by April 16th or sell by April 16th?

Quote:

Originally Posted by henryondeals (Post 58716492)
we really need an answer to this, anyone willing to call ebay?

Final Value Fees are calculated based on when an item is listed. See here [ebay.com] and here [ebay.com]. So, for regular sellers, if you want to pay the old fees, you must list by the end of the day on the 15th. Create a 30-day BIN listing so that it lasts as long as possible.

bluetrep 04-09-2013 04:05 PM

Bad news for buyer too.

bluetrep 04-09-2013 04:09 PM

That is covered by PayPal , not EBAY.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Friend of Sonic (Post 58707938)
Exactly. When I sold on Amazon, I would get people that said they didn't receive an item, even though delivery confirmation said they did. Most sellers refund before it gets to the claim state; I forced them to file an A-Z so that would go on their accounts as well. I had so many buyers claiming they didn't receive an item that Amazon banned me from selling. They do not recoginize delivery confirmation as valid proof of delivery (or at least they didn't, anyone know if that changed?) Even more laughable, I swear the language on their help page suggested to use signature confirmation on everything, and that "should" cover you as a seller-- FedEx and UPS would be the only definite ways to be covered, which is absurd for games which mostly range from the 4oz-8oz weight.

As much as eBay sucks, they're at least reasonable in that area. DC works, $250 or higher needs signature confirmation. Easy.

I'll have to check again later since I am on my phone, but FVF fared pretty well for video game listings, right?


Friend of Sonic 04-09-2013 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluetrep (Post 58764436)
That is covered by PayPal , not EBAY.

And eBay owns Paypal, so . . .

gtmaster303 04-11-2013 09:39 PM

I calculated it out. For electronics, you would have to sell $600 of merchandise for the $20/month subscription to be worth it. Otherwise 10% will be cheaper.
Whatever, buyers are going to suffer the most. Prices on ebay will be more inflated than usual

mrtrance 04-11-2013 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 58814754)
I calculated it out. For electronics, you would have to sell $600 of merchandise for the $20/month subscription to be worth it. Otherwise 10% will be cheaper.
Whatever, buyers are going to suffer the most. Prices on ebay will be more inflated than usual

Ya I guess we will need to increases prices a bit to offset these higher fees. I am just hoping others will do the same and not still sell at same prices where the profit margin will be decreased by a lot if prices stay the same.

For example if before we would sell an item for $300 BIN with free shipping people should now move that price up by like $10-$15 since now FVV is going to be $30 whereas before it was like $17.

lodoss22 04-12-2013 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 58814754)
I calculated it out. For electronics, you would have to sell $600 of merchandise for the $20/month subscription to be worth it. Otherwise 10% will be cheaper.
Whatever, buyers are going to suffer the most. Prices on ebay will be more inflated than usual

Is that $600 figure per month of electronic sales or for the whole year for the $20/month subscription to be worth it? TIA.

blackblaze 04-12-2013 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olafur (Post 58763672)
I highly recommend that anyone who has questions about the changes spend some time browsing the 2013 Spring Seller Update forum [ebay.com], where many eBay reps answered users' questions back in mid-March.

Here are some official answers to two issues that have been discussed in this thread:



If you commit to a one-year contract, you are still charged on a monthly basis. See here [ebay.com] (where they also discuss early termination fees), here [ebay.com], and here [ebay.com].

Final Value Fees are calculated based on when an item is listed. See here [ebay.com] and here [ebay.com]. So, for regular sellers, if you want to pay the old fees, you must list by the end of the day on the 15th. Create a 30-day BIN listing so that it lasts as long as possible.

Based on what is read there, if you have a store subscription for the month of April, then the April 16th listing doesn't apply, and that any listings within your store within the month of April is grandfathered into the current FVF structure, and you FVF structure is updated when you post listings starting May 1.

gtmaster303 04-12-2013 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lodoss22 (Post 58817162)
Is that $600 figure per month of electronic sales or for the whole year for the $20/month subscription to be worth it? TIA.

per month.
haha yea right per year. even the most casual ebay sellers can rack $600 in sales per year.

ebay is definitely getting greedy though. they want a stable income from those that sell less than frequently.
if the overall cost was lower, i wouldnt mind paying a subscription. but moving $600 a month (thats nearly 7k a year in merchandise) is not feasible for all of us.

jnads 04-12-2013 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sd444 (Post 58421448)
:crying:

The tears of flippers are delicious.

I like how they describe themselves as sellers.

Re-sellers is more accurate.

SD Leeches is most accurate.

sd444 04-12-2013 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 58814754)
I calculated it out. For electronics, you would have to sell $600 of merchandise for the $20/month subscription to be worth it. Otherwise 10% will be cheaper.
Whatever, buyers are going to suffer the most. Prices on ebay will be more inflated than usual

This is what flippers actually believe.

:lmao:

Buying on ebay is a great experience. Any problems and I, as a buyer, get my money back with little effort.

Olafur 04-12-2013 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 58814754)
I calculated it out. For electronics, you would have to sell $600 of merchandise for the $20/month subscription to be worth it. Otherwise 10% will be cheaper.
Whatever, buyers are going to suffer the most. Prices on ebay will be more inflated than usual

Actually, if you are selling consumer electronics using BIN, the break-even point is $498.55.

Without a store, the 10% FVF for a $498.55 sale is $49.86.

With a Basic store, the 6% FVF for a $498.55 sale is $29.91. Add the $19.95 store fee and your total is $49.86.

I used the Fee Calculator [ebay.com] to check.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackblaze (Post 58818594)
Based on what is read there, if you have a store subscription for the month of April, then the April 16th listing doesn't apply, and that any listings within your store within the month of April is grandfathered into the current FVF structure, and you FVF structure is updated when you post listings starting May 1.

Yes, that's correct. When I wrote "regular sellers," I actually meant sellers without a store. For sellers who do have a store, then the new fees start May 1, according to this page [ebay.com] ("Your current subscription automatically updates with the new monthly subscription pricing on May 1").

gtmaster303 04-12-2013 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sd444 (Post 58826696)
This is what flippers actually believe.

:lmao:

Buying on ebay is a great experience. Any problems and I, as a buyer, get my money back with little effort.

actually, i almost never flip deals from this site. chances are if it's so good, by the time it hits the FP or gets my attention, ebay is already flooded with them. either that, or it's a price mistake waiting to be rectified. not really worth my time. there have been very few deals ive been able to "cash in on"

blackblaze 04-14-2013 06:34 PM

this shouldn't be news, not even to eBay
http://poll.pollcode.com/2mj7_result?v

henryondeals 04-16-2013 10:06 AM

anyone know if we can just open up a store for 1 month and then cancel?

Technosquid 04-16-2013 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henryondeals (Post 58888546)
anyone know if we can just open up a store for 1 month and then cancel?

The monthly subscription price is $19.95 with no commitment. If you sign up for a year term commitment, you can pay $15.95 in monthly installments (early termination fee applies.)

Based on that, I think one month is fine. I got a targeted email saying they'd pay the first month if I sign up for an eBay store before May 1st. Actually it's more like 1.5 months, if I'm reading the terms correctly... crediting you for a prorated April plus the full month of May.

I've been buying a lot of broken phones, fixing, and selling for extra cash. Even the 3% fee difference is going to be significant. So yeah, I guess eBay has me over a barrel.

henryondeals 04-16-2013 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technosquid (Post 58891266)
The monthly subscription price is $19.95 with no commitment. If you sign up for a year term commitment, you can pay $15.95 in monthly installments (early termination fee applies.)

Based on that, I think one month is fine. I got a targeted email saying they'd pay the first month if I sign up for an eBay store before May 1st. Actually it's more like 1.5 months, if I'm reading the terms correctly... crediting you for a prorated April plus the full month of May.

I've been buying a lot of broken phones, fixing, and selling for extra cash. Even the 3% fee difference is going to be significant. So yeah, I guess eBay has me over a barrel.

thanks for the info! i think i'm going to be hoarding everything I want to list, and then purchase an eBay store for 1 month at a time. sometimes I go months without anything to sell so this works out fine.

AlxFonso 04-16-2013 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henryondeals (Post 58736216)
It's still not clear if we can do a month by month vs 1 year subscription, has anyone figured this out?


I think month by month is 19.95

yearly (which you end up paying month by month) is 15.95...

so you save about 50 bucks paying for yearly

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtrance (Post 58736400)
So if I sell 5 electronic items a month at $200 each then my FFV will be $100 ($20 x 5) total if no estore sub. If do the yearly sub then 5 x $200 each my total FFV would be $60 ($12 x 5). Then you add in the $16 fee per month so it would be total of $75. A savings of $25 or $5 per item. Plus you add in paypal fees of around $6 and the total fees for selling an item at $200 soars to around $26.

If I only do 1-2 transactions a month say at $200 then I would be paying $40 FFV and if estore sub it would be $24 + $16 monthly fee so $40 FFV as well.

So it seems like you need to be doing a good volume of say maybe 10 items or more to see any benefit by doing the monthly subscription deal. Otherwise if I sell the same item on Amazon for $200 my total fees would be around $17. Plus you can even get a bit more higher price on AZ than ebay. So for someone like myself who sells probably less than 10 items a month I might start just doing it full time on AZ (I started since January selling on AZ and so far so good). I get maybe $10 more for an item compared to Ebay plus a bit of the shipping fees are given to us by AZ where as in Ebay I need to do free shipping in order to stay competitive with other sellers.

yep amazon is the way to go but be careful... if you start making good money they might shut you down "just in case" you are scamming people

blackblaze 04-16-2013 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maschil (Post 58896588)
I think month by month is 19.95

yearly (which you end up paying month by month) is 15.95...

so you save about 50 bucks paying for yearly



yep amazon is the way to go but be careful... if you start making good money they might shut you down "just in case" you are scamming people

Amazon is NOT the way to go for longevity :nono:
As you already pointed out, BE CAREFUL

AlxFonso 04-16-2013 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackblaze (Post 58897438)
Amazon is NOT the way to go for longevity :nono:
As you already pointed out, BE CAREFUL


yep... got banned.... was making good money...

Genius4sho 04-16-2013 11:12 PM

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Ok, so I read this thread very quickly and I don't think I saw once the info I'm about to post. If you are a Non Ebay Store owner you are screwed. 10% on EVERYTHING you sell. BUT if you are a Ebay store owner you will actually pay less than you do right now. Yes, I will repeat that, you will save more money than you do now.

Here's the proof (check the included image in my post).

Unless I'm completely being a dunce, the new fee changes are great for people that sell all the time (hence they want you to get an ebay store). If you sell occasionally which would not warrant you to want an ebay store... you are screwed. Fixed listings are also free (up to 50) with a store subscription. If you use more than 50 in a month its only 20¢ per listing after that. Before you got ZERO fixed listings for free in a month and it cost 50¢ per listing. Believe it or not, this is the best news ever for big ebay sellers (anyone listing over 40+ items a month). This entire package will save you hundreds in a year. This is actually fantastic news.... actually the best news ever on ebay in several years.

You can check the fees by category here:
http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pic...vf_rev.pdf

:jawdrop:

Also, ebay is running a promotion right now (I'm not sure if everyone received it via email) where if you subscribe to a Ebay store by May 1st your first month of your subscription is free ($19.95 saved). They talk about a yearly subscription for less money but I can't for the life of me figure out how to commit to it. I'll most likely call ebay tomorrow. If you get the yearly subscription though, if you cancel it you will be hit with massive fees as seen here:
http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinfor...ndc.html#4

Technosquid 04-16-2013 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genius4sho (Post 58903022)
Unless I'm completely being a dunce, the new fee changes are great for people that sell all the time (hence they want you to get an ebay store). If you sell occasionally which would not warrant you to want an ebay store... you are screwed. Fixed listings are also free (up to 50) with a store subscription. If you use more than 50 in a month its only 20¢ per listing after that. Before you got ZERO fixed listings for free in a month and it cost 50¢ per listing. Believe it or not, this is the best news ever for big ebay sellers (anyone listing over 40+ items a month). This entire package will save you hundreds in a year. This is actually fantastic news.... actually the best news ever on ebay in several years.


Also, ebay is running a promotion right now (I'm not sure if everyone received it via email) where if you subscribe to a Ebay store by May 1st your first month of your subscription is free ($19.95 saved)

Yeah it's pretty awesome, huh? Today I signed up to pay eBay an extra $15.95/mo... and for that I get the opportunity to pay about the same rates I was paying last month! I'd love to stand on principle and pull my business from eBay, but I can't.

I'm not sure about this "best news ever for big ebay sellers." The fees seem largely the same as before in most categories.

Genius4sho 04-16-2013 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technosquid (Post 58903360)
Yeah it's pretty awesome, huh? Today I signed up to pay eBay an extra $15.95/mo... and for that I get the opportunity to pay about the same rates I was paying last month! I'd love to stand on principle and pull my business from eBay, but I can't.

I'm not sure about this "best news ever for big ebay sellers." The fees seem largely the same as before in most categories.

It depends on what you sell and how you sold them. For instance I sell primarily in fixed listings... why? Because I hate waiting for auctions to end PLUS there are far too many deadbeat ebay bidders. So I was listing mostly in the fixed listings category. All the listing fees were 50cents per listing. So I sell OVER 40 listings in a month (40 months x 50 cents = $20) so that is more money than their yearly ($15.95 a month) subscription fee. Many categories are less money than before too. That's where you will save the big bucks. Again, it depends on which categories you sell in. Its good news. PLUS it kills the small time ebay sellers, I don't care about you, you are competition. The end. :D

henryondeals 04-17-2013 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genius4sho (Post 58903436)
It depends on what you sell and how you sold them. For instance I sell primarily in fixed listings... why? Because I hate waiting for auctions to end PLUS there are far too many deadbeat ebay bidders. So I was listing mostly in the fixed listings category. All the listing fees were 50cents per listing. So I sell OVER 40 listings in a month (40 months x 50 cents = $20) so that is more money than their yearly ($15.95 a month) subscription fee. Many categories are less money than before too. That's where you will save the big bucks. Again, it depends on which categories you sell in. Its good news. PLUS it kills the small time ebay sellers, I don't care about you, you are competition. The end. :D

were ebay stores always fixed rate FVFs?

Genius4sho 04-17-2013 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by henryondeals (Post 58903646)
were ebay stores always fixed rate FVFs?

You get the option to list in auction style or fixed rate styles with an ebay store (same as a non-ebay store). If you had an ebay store before you didn't get any free fixed listings, they were 5cents per listing instead of 50cents like people without a store. So you payed the monthly subscription fee AND paid for each fixed listing. This time around you won't do that unless you list more than 150 items in a month. That's something I just learned. That's what it says on the fee chart, that your first 150 listings are for free. I had thought in my previous posts that with a subscription in this new fee structure that only the first 50 listings were free... this gets even better than I thought!! I'm pretty stoked for May 1st. I should save hundreds of dollars in ebay fees in a year.

truelies 04-18-2013 06:09 AM

This is super expensive fee!

DeathCab 04-25-2013 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kbenson (Post 58331880)
Find and use alternate sites - i.e ubid or even amazon. (Yes Amazon charges crazy fees too, but at least they are not in bed with Paypunk)

The more people that get feet out of the mud and make fleabay realize they are not the only player in the town, the less likely they will increase fees.

The problem with Amazon is that they will literally let customers return ANYTHING and make you accept the return regardless of condition / price / etc.

I've sold brand new items, sealed in the package, and then had the item returned as defective.

When I got the item back, it was literally ripped in half (this particular item was a relatively expensive pair of in-ear monitors) -- lesson learned: Amazon mandates you except returns no matter what if the customer says the item is "defective" -- even though this item was new, sealed in box, and had a full 1 year warranty with a receipt from an authorized dealer, I was left to eat the loss. Very, very frustrating.

Not that eBay / Paypal is much better when a buyer lies...

kbenson 04-25-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathCab (Post 59077032)
The problem with Amazon is that they will literally let customers return ANYTHING and make you accept the return regardless of condition / price / etc.

I've sold brand new items, sealed in the package, and then had the item returned as defective.

When I got the item back, it was literally ripped in half (this particular item was a relatively expensive pair of in-ear monitors) -- lesson learned: Amazon mandates you except returns no matter what if the customer says the item is "defective" -- even though this item was new, sealed in box, and had a full 1 year warranty with a receipt from an authorized dealer, I was left to eat the loss. Very, very frustrating.

Not that eBay / Paypal is much better when a buyer lies...

Yeah that is quite true. I think I posted a similar story as well.
Amazon gives too much time 4 a buyer to complain. If the buyer get the item on day 1 and has no reports of problems after 5 days, then deal should be done.

Not the case with amazon - I think it is like 30 days and the customer can return (on your dime) the product.

Had 1 person file a a-z last day of the deadline and said the hat did not fit him. Doh.

blackblaze 04-25-2013 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Maschil (Post 58898132)
yep... got banned.... was making good money...

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathCab (Post 59077032)
The problem with Amazon is that they will literally let customers return ANYTHING and make you accept the return regardless of condition / price / etc.

I've sold brand new items, sealed in the package, and then had the item returned as defective.

When I got the item back, it was literally ripped in half (this particular item was a relatively expensive pair of in-ear monitors) -- lesson learned: Amazon mandates you except returns no matter what if the customer says the item is "defective" -- even though this item was new, sealed in box, and had a full 1 year warranty with a receipt from an authorized dealer, I was left to eat the loss. Very, very frustrating.

Not that eBay / Paypal is much better when a buyer lies...

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbenson (Post 59077284)
Yeah that is quite true. I think I posted a similar story as well.
Amazon gives too much time 4 a buyer to complain. If the buyer get the item on day 1 and has no reports of problems after 5 days, then deal should be done.

Not the case with amazon - I think it is like 30 days and the customer can return (on your dime) the product.

Had 1 person file a a-z last day of the deadline and said the hat did not fit him. Doh.

The sad part is, these are COMMON stories when dealing with reselling on Amazon :facepalm2:

LegalHustler 04-25-2013 02:26 PM

Looks like Craigslist is the best option.

AlxFonso 04-25-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LegalHustler (Post 59078900)
Looks like Craigslist is the best option.


still figurative... depends on what your selling.... and where you are selling it

henryondeals 04-26-2013 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Maschil (Post 59079202)
still figurative... depends on what your selling.... and where you are selling it

agreed

tmaxx123 04-26-2013 11:20 AM

Doubling fees is outrageous. We should all complain collectively and maybe they will reconsider like netflix did lol

kbenson 04-26-2013 12:08 PM

Wait till they toss in sales tax across the board. Prob one of the reasons fleabay opposes it. It will cause them to loose more customers (sellers + buyers)

AlxFonso 04-26-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tmaxx123 (Post 59097336)
Doubling fees is outrageous. We should all complain collectively and maybe they will reconsider like netflix did lol


yah it is... i did some math.... if i have an ebay store and sale about 1k a month (which i do) then its alittle less than what it use to be... so i am angry... but what can i do
?

henryondeals 04-26-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Maschil (Post 59101726)
yah it is... i did some math.... if i have an ebay store and sale about 1k a month (which i do) then its alittle less than what it use to be... so i am angry... but what can i do
?

just curious, but if you sell 1k per month, do you file that in your taxes at the end of the year?

blackblaze 04-28-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kbenson (Post 59098548)
Wait till they toss in sales tax across the board. Prob one of the reasons fleabay opposes it. It will cause them to loose more customers (sellers + buyers)

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/sho...00383.html

What is interesting is eBay is fighting a bill where the government will collect tax and is trying to protect their sellers' interest, yet while raising fees on their sellers where they will personally collect :facepalm2:

getdealsonline 04-28-2013 05:06 PM

seems like they are trying to recover the free $10 they gave to a lot of us here :D

kbenson 04-28-2013 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by getdealsonline (Post 59133432)
seems like they are trying to recover the free $10 they gave to a lot of us here :D


The free $10 was much less than peanuts for them.

Here is what I think they should do:

1. Provide a rebate every qtr to all active sellers (It could be as small as 1%)
2. If you are a buyer and make more than x amount of purchases, you can get a % off coupon code (yes I know about ebay bucks, but I think they need to do better for active buyers)
3. remove the "shipping % fee" sellers must pay when ever we sell something. - Ban sellers that abuse it.

I sent these suggestions to fleabay some time ago, bu just got a canned response from someone in India.

byrne3 05-03-2013 05:44 PM

I'm just looking at these new store fee schedule that started May 1st. It looks like the old ebay fees (if you didn't subscribe to a store) are about the same as the new ebay fees if you do subscribe to a store (excluding store fee of course)..

For example:
Old fees (no store): 9% auction for everything
New fees (store subscription): 9% fee for most categories

Old fees (buy it now electronics): 7% up to $50; 5% above $50, etc.
New fees (electronic categories): 6% for many electronics; some 4%; some 9%

Some categories that did qualify for the old "electronics" 7% fee category, now do not qualify for the "consumer electronic" category 6% and are 9% on the new fee schedule.

consumer electronics -> multipurpose batteries -> (all sub categories)
does not qualify for "consumer electronics".. It is one of the "exceptions", there are others as well.. It used to be part of the "electronics" in the old fee schedule..

Computers/Tablets Networking -> Printers & Scanners -> Ink, Toner and Paper..
Does not qualify for "Comptuers/Tablets" at 4%. I kind of figured. Fortunately though it does still qualify for 6% consumer electronics (as opposed to the crappy 9% fee for accessories which I thought it might get)..

Gosh, there are so many damn exceptions.. Go here to read all of the exceptions to know if your electronic item is going to cost 4%, 6% or 9%: http://ebay.com/help/sell/storefe...l#computer
be sure to click on the arrows to expand what's include, or excluded from the categories:
"Included Computer/Tablets & Networking, Video Game Consoles categories:"
"Included Camera & Photo Accessories, Cell Phone Accessories and more categories:"
"Included Consumer Electronics, Cameras & Photo and more categories:"

You can also go here to figure out what % your category is going to cost:
http://www.fees.ebay.com/feeweb/feecalculator

Right now I don't think a store is good value for most low volume sellers.. Getting 9% fees instead of 10% should get back the store fee If you have a high volume.. If you sell exclusively in the 4% and 6%, then possibly you could justify a store subscription with a low volume of sales..

slickpokerdealer 05-03-2013 09:16 PM

I listed an item at $9.99 with a shipping fee of $3.99.. Quantity 4.. I was charged FVF of $1 and $0.4 for the first three and only $1 for the 4th.. Any idea why I was not charged FVF on the last one?

Inpact 05-03-2013 09:21 PM

Isn't it always 10%?, at least for me, I've been paying 10% ebay fees for the last two years.

Olafur 05-03-2013 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by slickpokerdealer (Post 59248308)
I listed an item at $9.99 with a shipping fee of $3.99.. Quantity 4.. I was charged FVF of $1 and $0.3 for the first three and only $1 for the 4th.. Any idea why I was not charged FVF on the last one?

We need more information to help figure this out. On what date did you list this item? Do you have a store? Were the customers based in the U.S. or a foreign country? Do you also offer free shipping? What shipping method did the buyers select?

If you do not have a store and qualified for a free listing, you should have been charged a $1.40 FVF per item, assuming you sold to a U.S. buyer. A $1.00 + $0.30 FVF is incorrect no matter how you look at it. Are you sure about that number?

You would not be charged a FVF on your shipping if you offer free shipping for U.S. buyers as your first shipping option and
- A U.S. buyer selected your one-day shipping option, or
- A non-U.S. buyer purchased your item.
I'm guessing that's what happened with your fourth sale.

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Originally Posted by Inpact (Post 59248350)
Isn't it always 10%?, at least for me, I've been paying 10% ebay fees for the last two years.

No. Prior to the changes, eBay's FVFs depended on the listing type (auction or BIN), category, and sale price. Your FVFs could have turned out to always be 10% based on the circumstances of your sales, but FVFs were not fixed as they are today (for non-store sellers).

slickpokerdealer 05-03-2013 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Olafur (Post 59248836)
We need more information to help figure this out. On what date did you list this item? Do you have a store? Were the customers based in the U.S. or a foreign country? Do you also offer free shipping? What shipping method did the buyers select?

If you do not have a store and qualified for a free listing, you should have been charged a $1.40 FVF per item, assuming you sold to a U.S. buyer. A $1.00 + $0.30 FVF is incorrect no matter how you look at it. Are you sure about that number?

You would not be charged a FVF on your shipping if you offer free shipping for U.S. buyers as your first shipping option and
- A U.S. buyer selected your one-day shipping option, or
- A non-U.S. buyer purchased your item.
I'm guessing that's what happened with your fourth sale.


No. Prior to the changes, eBay's FVFs depended on the listing type (auction or BIN), category, and sale price. Your FVFs could have turned out to always be 10% based on the circumstances of your sales, but FVFs were not fixed as they are today (for non-store sellers).

Sorry.. I just corrected my post.. It was was $1 (Final Value Fee) + $0.4 (Final Value Fee on Shipping) for first 3 sales.. For the 4th sale, the FVF was only $1 and $0.4 did not post.. I always offer only one shipping option (economy).. I listed with $3.99 for shipping.. The buyer was US buyer..

Thanks for replying... Just wondering why I was not charged FVF on the 4th sale alone..

Vannita 05-03-2013 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by slickpokerdealer (Post 59248912)
Sorry.. I just corrected my post.. It was was $1 (Final Value Fee) + $0.4 (Final Value Fee on Shipping) for first 3 sales.. For the 4th sale, the FVF was only $1 and $0.4 did not post.. I always offer only one shipping option (economy).. I listed with $3.99 for shipping.. The buyer was US buyer..

Thanks for replying... Just wondering why I was not charged FVF on the 4th sale alone..

The FVF on shipping does not post until the buyer pays or you mark the item as shipped.

sgrinavi 05-04-2013 11:37 AM

Sellers will pass on the fee - it's bad news for ebay as sales will drop

Olafur 05-04-2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vannita (Post 59249324)
The FVF on shipping does not post until the buyer pays or you mark the item as shipped.

That must be it then. I never noticed when the FVF on shipping actually gets posted because for almost all of the stuff I've ever sold, I either offered free shipping or required immediate payment.

TakeMeOrLeaveMe 05-05-2013 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by slickpokerdealer (Post 59248912)
.. I always offer only one shipping option (economy).. I listed with $3.99 for shipping.. ..

Just curious, why only economy shipping and what service do you actually intend to use when listing as economy? If using USPS for domestic (USA) delivery, it's almost always cheaper to use First Class or Priority Mail compared to Parcel Post or whatever the new name of Parcel is. Plus, listing as priority service enhances the appeal for potential buyers knowing they'll likely get their package quicker.

blackblaze 05-05-2013 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TakeMeOrLeaveMe (Post 59265436)
Just curious, why only economy shipping and what service do you actually intend to use when listing as economy? If using USPS for domestic (USA) delivery, it's almost always cheaper to use First Class or Priority Mail compared to Parcel Post or whatever the new name of Parcel is. Plus, listing as priority service enhances the appeal for potential buyers knowing they'll likely get their package quicker.

You can use whatever service you like when you use economy. It then just matters that the item reaches within the delivery timeframe. And Parcel Post was not replaced, but elimated, so either media mail, first class, priority or express when shipping through eBay with USPS.

TakeMeOrLeaveMe 05-05-2013 08:56 AM

OK. I suppose it gives you a little more "wiggle room" should the worst happen and your sent package gets delayed beyond the delivery range. Can't remember the last time something like that happened, however. I suppose the smart thing would be to list as economy to give you that extra delivery cushioning, but write First Class or Priority Mail in your listing descriptions, to get the benefit of buyer perceived value of a quicker delivery.

Btw, there still is a Parcel service on Ebay, just called something different. Like Parcel Select or something like that. Not sure of what has changed about the service, if anything other than the name.

SmokeMaxX 05-05-2013 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TakeMeOrLeaveMe (Post 59265436)
Just curious, why only economy shipping and what service do you actually intend to use when listing as economy? If using USPS for domestic (USA) delivery, it's almost always cheaper to use First Class or Priority Mail compared to Parcel Post or whatever the new name of Parcel is. Plus, listing as priority service enhances the appeal for potential buyers knowing they'll likely get their package quicker.

Uh what are you talking about? I always compare Parcel Select vs Priority and Parcel select is almost always WAY cheaper than Priority unless I'm shipping within my state or MAYBE one of the surrounding states. I'm not talking a small difference either; I'm talking $13 vs $19 or $17 vs $33.

TakeMeOrLeaveMe 05-05-2013 10:04 AM

Actually, I should have been more specific. It all depends upon weight. At some point, you're correct, Parcel Select does get cheaper the higher your shipping weight. Most of the stuff I send tends to be under that dividing line though. There, Priority is either cheaper or it's well under a dollar difference between the two options.

Olafur 05-05-2013 10:36 AM

Parcel Post was not eliminated. The service has been renamed as Standard Post and is available in retail post office locations. Parcel Select is almost the same thing and can be purchased through eBay/PayPal when you make a sale.

SmokeMaxX 05-05-2013 01:05 PM

You don't have to make a sale to ship via Parcel Select and AFAIK it's always cheaper than Standard Post.

Olafur 05-05-2013 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeMaxX (Post 59269616)
You don't have to make a sale to ship via Parcel Select and AFAIK it's always cheaper than Standard Post.

That's right, I should have said that when you make a sale, you have the option to purchase postage for Parcel Select through eBay/PayPal. Of course you don't have to make a sale to use it. :D

Standard Post is a retail product for regular people (low-volume shippers). Parcel Select will always be cheaper than Standard Post because Parcel Select is a discounted service intended for businesses that make a medium to large number of shipments, which eBay of course qualifies for. If there's one thing that's great about eBay/PayPal, it's that we can always print discounted postage from them, even stuff like First Class Package International that we can't print from USPS.com. Even eBay/PayPal haters have to give them props for that.

sillygold 05-10-2013 12:07 PM

just got an email:
Get a coupon for up to $25 when you list May 10–15 and sell by May 31

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Who's eligible?
The Promotion is by invitation only and applies to xxxxxxx, not transferable.

*Offer Details
Invited sellers who list and sell one or more items on eBay.com in the auction-style, auction-style with Buy It Now, or fixed price formats between 12:00 AM PT on May 10, 2013, and 11:59 PM PT on May 15, 2013 ("Promotion Period"), and receive payment from their buyers by May 31, 2013 are eligible to earn one (1) eBay coupon. The value of the eBay coupon earned will be 100% of the total amount that is sold from eligible listings formats during the Promotion Period with the maximum coupon value earn capped at $25. The coupon will be issued during the first week of June after the Promotion Period has ended. Users will have until June 30, 2013 to redeem the coupon on eBay.com. The coupon is not transferable, void where prohibited, not redeemable for cash, has no face value, is for use on eBay.com only, and is subject to U.S. laws. Extra feature fees, selling limits, and Final Value Fees for successful sales apply. Other Terms & Conditions apply.

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anyone else got it too?

mlb71 06-13-2013 04:34 PM

they are also charging fees on shipping now
 
I think its insane they now charge that 10% feę on shipping too! What the heck?!?!?

thehip 06-13-2013 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by slickpokerdealer (Post 59248308)
I listed an item at $9.99 with a shipping fee of $3.99.. Quantity 4.. I was charged FVF of $1 and $0.4 for the first three and only $1 for the 4th.. Any idea why I was not charged FVF on the last one?

No. Hope that helps!

prvns 06-13-2013 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeMaxX (Post 59269616)
You don't have to make a sale to ship via Parcel Select and AFAIK it's always cheaper than Standard Post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olafur (Post 59278060)
That's right, I should have said that when you make a sale, you have the option to purchase postage for Parcel Select through eBay/PayPal. Of course you don't have to make a sale to use it. :D

Standard Post is a retail product for regular people (low-volume shippers). Parcel Select will always be cheaper than Standard Post because Parcel Select is a discounted service intended for businesses that make a medium to large number of shipments, which eBay of course qualifies for. If there's one thing that's great about eBay/PayPal, it's that we can always print discounted postage from them, even stuff like First Class Package International that we can't print from USPS.com. Even eBay/PayPal haters have to give them props for that.


how do you ship through parcel select? can I create shipment through usps website? could you pls provide me some info?

Technosquid 06-13-2013 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mlb71 (Post 60085292)
I think its insane they now charge that 10% feę on shipping too! What the heck?!?!?

They charge a paypal fee on shipping, why not an ebay fee too? They just want everyone to have their items listed as free shipping, and frankly, I agree. People can do simple math... nobody's getting fooled when unscrupulous sellers try to hide the actual cost in the shipping charge. I'm not in favor of them charging final value fees on the shipping amount, but I'm not surprised, and I'm not too upset. I'm more upset when I click on a listing that looks like a good deal, only to find a seller is charging double or triple the actual shipping cost. If they can impose a policy that is pro-buyer, and makes them more money, you can be sure they'll do it at the expense of the seller.

SmokeMaxX 06-13-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by prvn133t (Post 60086298)
how do you ship through parcel select? can I create shipment through usps website? could you pls provide me some info?

Go to paypal.com. Log in. Click on Multi-order shipping on the right. From there you can create a shipment and select Parcel Select.

prvns 06-13-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeMaxX (Post 60087550)
Go to paypal.com. Log in. Click on Multi-order shipping on the right. From there you can create a shipment and select Parcel Select.


ok got it.. Thanks.. I see UPS through paypal is much cheaper than parcel select for a 13lbs package

SmokeMaxX 06-13-2013 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by prvn133t (Post 60088022)
ok got it.. Thanks.. I see UPS through paypal is much cheaper than parcel select for a 13lbs package

It depends on a lot of variables. I don't know if I've ever price quoted UPS through paypal though. Without doing it through Paypal, Fedex is often pretty cheap.

Olafur 06-14-2013 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mlb71 (Post 60085292)
I think its insane they now charge that 10% feę on shipping too! What the heck?!?!?

eBay has been charging FVFs on shipping for years now. Where have you been? ;)
Quote:

Originally Posted by prvn133t (Post 60086298)
how do you ship through parcel select? can I create shipment through usps website? could you pls provide me some info?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeMaxX (Post 60087550)
Go to paypal.com. Log in. Click on Multi-order shipping on the right. From there you can create a shipment and select Parcel Select.

You can also get there directly by going to https://www.paypal.com/shipnow.

And if this is for an eBay sale, just log in to your eBay account, go to your selling dashboard, find the item that sold, and click "Print Postage" next to the item.

You can't buy Parcel Select postage from the USPS website.

Kinkkink 07-17-2013 10:24 AM

WOW. I never noticed how much money I've lost. My profit margins are tight to begin with. I've paid on average 120% more on fees. Fees on shipping, paypal, items sold. I'm done with ebay. Just removed my last item and opened up my Amazon store. Absolutely crazy!!!

blackblaze 07-17-2013 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kinkkink (Post 60743852)
WOW. I never noticed how much money I've lost. My profit margins are tight to begin with. I've paid on average 120% more on fees. Fees on shipping, paypal, items sold. I'm done with ebay. Just removed my last item and opened up my Amazon store. Absolutely crazy!!!

What makes you think Amazon is any better? As soon as you get a customer who requests to return an item, even when you are not at fault at all, but they made a mistake, Amazon 100% sides with the buyer that you should eat the cost and the buyer has no accountability for their mistake. Yet, when you order something from Amazon and you realize it doesn't meet your needs, and tell them that, Amazon charges you a shipping fee for the item to be sent back. The standards they set for their sellers are NOT the same they live by. But you will eventually find that out for yourself in time.

Olafur 07-18-2013 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by blackblaze (Post 60745048)
What makes you think Amazon is any better? As soon as you get a customer who requests to return an item, even when you are not at fault at all, but they made a mistake, Amazon 100% sides with the buyer that you should eat the cost and the buyer has no accountability for their mistake. Yet, when you order something from Amazon and you realize it doesn't meet your needs, and tell them that, Amazon charges you a shipping fee for the item to be sent back. The standards they set for their sellers are NOT the same they live by. But you will eventually find that out for yourself in time.

The same thing happens on eBay. A buyer can file a SNAD claim and the seller will be required to take back the item, regardless of the circumstances.

blackblaze 07-18-2013 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Olafur (Post 60760212)
The same thing happens on eBay. A buyer can file a SNAD claim and the seller will be required to take back the item, regardless of the circumstances.

Main differences is with eBay, you can have actual photos. I know most will say that means nothing, but its better than what Amazon gives you, a generic picture, so you have no claim. eBay allows a seller to be very detailed with the description and photos, open format to make it harder to make such claims vs. Amazon, its a lot easier.

So yes, same thing can happen at both, but eBay provides a better format to challenge those claim whereas Amazon does not.

Olafur 07-18-2013 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackblaze (Post 60761318)
Main differences is with eBay, you can have actual photos. I know most will say that means nothing, but its better than what Amazon gives you, a generic picture, so you have no claim. eBay allows a seller to be very detailed with the description and photos, open format to make it harder to make such claims vs. Amazon, its a lot easier.

So yes, same thing can happen at both, but eBay provides a better format to challenge those claim whereas Amazon does not.

Yes, you're completely right. But if a buyer really wants to return something, they will find a way to do it no matter how good your pictures or descriptions are. All it takes is a SNAD claim.

gmanvbva 09-05-2013 01:46 PM

Just ran across this thread after selling a couple items on eBay and being caught off-guard by the large fee's. I hadn't sold anything in a year or so...

I looked up Amazon's fees and for most categories... it's 15%. So 15% vs 10% (eBay).

For the occasional private seller eBay still seems to be the better option of the two but I think I will stick with selling nearly everything locally through craigslist.

Seems to me that this is going to really kill the exact thing that originally made eBay so great (private sellers selling unwanted items).

bluetrep 09-25-2013 02:49 PM

bump for warning people

blackblaze 09-25-2013 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bluetrep (Post 62123490)
bump for warning people

Unfortunately, the CEO will be receiving a great bonus this year, partly thanks to SDers

henryondeals 10-01-2013 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blackblaze (Post 62123794)
Unfortunately, the CEO will be receiving a great bonus this year, partly thanks to SDers

what do you mean? please explain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluetrep (Post 62123490)
bump for warning people

thanks for the bump, i loathe eBay and hope for the day a worthy rival appears!!!


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