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gabe23111 04-21-2013 01:43 PM

250GB Samsung 840 Series 2.5" SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive SSD $144
 
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daisybeetle 04-21-2013 01:43 PM

250GB Samsung 840 Series 2.5" SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive SSD $144
 
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AdoramaCamera via eBay has 250GB Samsung 840 Series 2.5" SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive SSD (MZ-7TD250BW) for $139.99. Shipping is $3.99. Thanks gabe23111

Price Research: Our research has shown that this 250GB Samsung 840 Series 2.5" SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive SSD is $26 lower (15% savings) than the next best available price from a reputable merchant, with prices starting from $170 - daisybeetle

wikipost 04-21-2013 01:43 PM

This post can and should be edited by users like you :)
 
http://www.hardocp.com/article/20...V9g6ZPrwWs

"Simple rough math calculations can extrapolate that a write load of 10GB per day would result in a worst-case expected lifetime of 7 years for a 256GB TLC SSD."

http://reviews.cnet.com/internal-...07721.html

"In real-world usage, this lower write endurance is not really a big issue, however. Per my rough calculations, if you write/rewrite about 10GB of data daily, it would still takes about 7 years for a 250GB Samsung 840 series drive to run out of P/E cycles. Most of us don't write 10GB per day, at least not every day."

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However, HardOCP found that the read speed of the 120 GB model plummeted during testing, because of the poor longevity of TLC NAND. While the drive did not fail, the speed wasn't good. HardOCP said the 120 GB drive is not recommended due to the low endurance of TLC.

TLC NAND also uses more power due to higher voltage requirements.

DJ3xclusive 04-21-2013 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe23111 (Post 58992626)

:thumbsup:

Mattsgarage 04-21-2013 01:49 PM

Weird... charging shipping. Previously they didn't do that

gabe23111 04-21-2013 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattsgarage (Post 58992682)
Weird... charging shipping. Previously they didn't do that

Hmm... I agree - that's strange. On the eBay "deals page" it says free shipping. Also part of eBays advertising is that all "daily deals" are free shipping. I have a feeling that it will end up being changed to free shipping once either Adorama or eBay is aware of it.

For now I edited the title.

crv12 04-21-2013 01:55 PM

pull or wait... daym shipping!

HempCures 04-21-2013 02:02 PM

Still a good deal with shipping, why cant I bring myself to pull?
Sd has changed me i must have freee shipping!

gabe23111 04-21-2013 02:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crv12 (Post 58992728)
pull or wait... daym shipping!

I would wait a drop to save about the $4.xx they're currently charging for shipping. It's also possible Adorama would refund you the shipping cost, but obviously YMMV

I truly believe it will change to free shipping. Hopefully it won't be sold out before then.

I attached a screen shot showing that eBay "daily deals" should have free shipping...

in4one 04-21-2013 02:10 PM

In for two, charged $4.20 for shipping. Daily Deals page does show free shipping.
Thanks OP! :nod:

crv12 04-21-2013 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe23111 (Post 58992814)
I would wait a drop to save about the $4.xx they're currently charging for shipping. It's also possible Adorama would refund you the shipping cost, but obviously YMMV

I truly believe it will change to free shipping. Hopefully it won't be sold out before then.

I attached a screen shot showing that eBay "daily deals" should have free shipping...

the front page on ebay also says free shipping but ones order it charge shipping. weird. but i'll go ahead for my sister's new laptop.

maybe i'll get reimbursement.. who knows!

SlikNik 04-21-2013 02:19 PM

Just bought the pro for $200 2 days ago... grrrrr

Inpact 04-21-2013 02:27 PM

Shipping kills deal.

wonton 04-21-2013 02:28 PM

fyi any one in NJ theres tax.

tehslax 04-21-2013 02:34 PM

Dat tax

dano804 04-21-2013 03:20 PM

got the Crucial m4 128GB for $130 to fit in my Lenovo....should I return (Amazon) and get this??

Dimon1990 04-21-2013 03:24 PM

Damn, for the 120GB for $75 from Buy.com.... I knew I should have waited

cervantez015 04-21-2013 03:26 PM

Wondering if I should wait for a 500GB for $300.

dano804 04-21-2013 03:29 PM

man, they sold over 50 in 2 hours. SD effect.

mechrock 04-21-2013 03:30 PM

If only it had free shipping...

meaintsmart 04-21-2013 03:31 PM

I don't need this..I don't need this..ugh!

Tensoneu 04-21-2013 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dano804 (Post 58993746)
got the Crucial m4 128GB for $130 to fit in my Lenovo....should I return (Amazon) and get this??

I would personally get this over the Crucial 128GB. You get double the space for just a little more.

Vince1 04-21-2013 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimon1990 (Post 58993804)
Damn, for the 120GB for $75 from Buy.com.... I knew I should have waited

96.95 on buy for me.

Tensoneu 04-21-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cervantez015 (Post 58993836)
Wondering if I should wait for a 500GB for $300.

If you don't need it right now I would wait. It's not like the 500GB will go up in price with the past trend of sales that's been happening on the Samsung 840's.

z9z91 04-21-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlikNik (Post 58993010)
Just bought the pro for $200 2 days ago... grrrrr

Pro is way better though. You got your money worth.

jb137 04-21-2013 03:36 PM

why the External Data Transfer Rate 150 Mbps? For SATA III, it should be 600 Mbps.

Tensoneu 04-21-2013 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jb137 (Post 58993998)
why the External Data Transfer Rate 150 Mbps? For SATA III, it should be 600 Mbps.

Ebay's Product Information may be incorrect? Adorama lists the drive specs below. You can also find it on Newegg and Samsung's page.

snripper 04-21-2013 03:57 PM

If you are in CA, there's no sales tax. Even with the shipping cost, this is a great deal. Sales tax always kill the deals for Californians. I bought one previously for $160.

duckzor 04-21-2013 04:03 PM

this is a nice deal.

Kleptophobe 04-21-2013 04:06 PM

Man... just ordered a 240gb Sandisk Extreme for $182 from amazon

yarnim 04-21-2013 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kleptophobe (Post 58994340)
Man... just ordered a 240gb Sandisk Extreme for $182 from amazon

Lol thats a drive i got for $112 a year ago

djpsych 04-21-2013 04:13 PM

This is a awesome deal if you don't mind the write speed being slow compared to the pro version of this

Slim142 04-21-2013 04:14 PM

Ok didnt want to upgrade my laptop but I cant resist this drive for $140.

Lots of space, even if TLC, it should last way longer than I will use the laptop for and Samsung stands for quality.

Thanks OP

Kleptophobe 04-21-2013 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yarnim (Post 58994420)
Lol thats a drive i got for $112 a year ago

Would you recommend something else?

Gnomatic 04-21-2013 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djpsych (Post 58994424)
This is a awesome deal if you don't mind the write speed being slow compared to the pro version of this

Hopefully that won't be a big deal since I bought two and plan to RAID0 them. :woot:

yarnim 04-21-2013 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kleptophobe (Post 58994456)
Would you recommend something else?

nah i heard its a great drive. unfortunately mine is still in its box, as with my few other SSD drives..so I cant speak much of it but samsung 830's always been the best for me so this 840 at this price seems like a no brainer in all honesty.

m0m0labs 04-21-2013 04:30 PM

In 4 one

SungSwiftKim 04-21-2013 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dano804 (Post 58993746)
got the Crucial m4 128GB for $130 to fit in my Lenovo....should I return (Amazon) and get this??

yes 130 for 128gb m4 isnt worth it tbh

zbomb5610 04-21-2013 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SungSwiftKim (Post 58994884)
yes 130 for 128gb m4 isnt worth it tbh


I agree. This drive for this price is worth it.

pcstuff 04-21-2013 05:23 PM

Just remember: 840 < 830 < 840 Pro!

This is a plain 840 SSD drive.

MecroU 04-21-2013 05:34 PM

Shipping for me is only $4.87. So, this is a really good price, thanks.

gemoteusz 04-21-2013 05:37 PM

I've been WAITING for a deal on an ssd. TU OP!

bestco 04-21-2013 05:42 PM

is the Samsung 840 drive faster or slower than the Sandisk Ultar Plus 256GB SSD?

gemoteusz 04-21-2013 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bestco (Post 58995388)
is the Samsung 840 drive faster or slower than the Sandisk Ultar Plus 256GB SSD?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Pr...565?vs=678

Use this website to compare I just linked it comparing to the SSD I currently have

joogle 04-21-2013 05:47 PM

This is good for anyone who's never owned a SSD.

Anyone with a Samsung 830 or 840 PRO should avoid as you'll notice the write difference speeds

screenlin 04-21-2013 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slim142 (Post 58994430)
..... Samsung stands for quality.

Thanks OP

I have this SSD, along with Crucial, Intel and Sandisk ones. Built 8 PC's and swapped out 5 laptop drives in the last few months. Honestly, this Samsung SSD has the "slowest" boot up time. Don't get me wrong, they're all fast compare to traditional HD's. But, no I am not one of those person that will fall for Samsung's big marketing budget and aggressive tactics, not anymore anyways.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/sm...-apple-too

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/...ty-tricks/

crv12 04-21-2013 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcstuff (Post 58995202)
Just remember: 840 < 830 < 840 Pro!

This is a plain 840 SSD drive.

can u elaborate more on this? im new to the ssd world and dont really understand tlc vs mlc nand yet.

bestco 04-21-2013 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gemoteusz (Post 58995430)
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Pr...565?vs=678

Use this website to compare I just linked it comparing to the SSD I currently have

ok, thanks. does this come with a bracket for desktop PC?

Gara 04-21-2013 05:54 PM

Bah so very tempting. Think it's worth waiting for another deal on the pro version?

SungSwiftKim 04-21-2013 05:55 PM

paired with windows 8 your windows experience will be the fastest ever

bestco 04-21-2013 06:00 PM

in terms of speed difference between the 840 and 840 pro, so it won't make a difference if I use my laptop mainly for web browsing or streaming HD videos?

hellzlegend 04-21-2013 06:02 PM

Yes, this is TLC and it has a shorter life span but to the normal user, it doesn't really matter. It will outlast your normal PC upgrade cycle and by then, there will be better and cheaper ssds.
Great deal imo.

italysfinest327 04-21-2013 06:03 PM

I have a late 2008 Macbook with 4gb of ram dual core 2.4ghz processor. Would it be worth it to invest in an ssd, or hold off until the haswell revision later this year. Just dont want to make an investment and it not make that big of an improvement. Thanks in advance..

jdeez 04-21-2013 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by italysfinest327 (Post 58995576)
I have a late 2008 Macbook with 4gb of ram dual core 2.4ghz processor. Would it be worth it to invest in an ssd, or hold off until the haswell revision later this year. Just dont want to make an investment and it not make that big of an improvement. Thanks in advance..

If you don't have an ssd in that bad boy now, pull the trigger and get this

hellzlegend 04-21-2013 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by italysfinest327 (Post 58995576)
I have a late 2008 Macbook with 4gb of ram dual core 2.4ghz processor. Would it be worth it to invest in an ssd, or hold off until the haswell revision later this year. Just dont want to make an investment and it not make that big of an improvement. Thanks in advance..

ssd will be a great improvement over the traditional mechanical hard drive in any situation.
Who knows, there could be a better deal down the road by the time haswell releases but like anything in tech, if you need it right now, get it. If you can wait, wait. Also, haswell will not really affect the ssd prices or performance.
If I was you, I would get it. After using ssds, you will never go back.

Slim142 04-21-2013 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by screenlin (Post 58995470)
I have this SSD, along with Crucial, Intel and Sandisk ones. Built 8 PC's and swapped out 5 laptop drives in the last few months. Honestly, this Samsung SSD has the "slowest" boot up time. Don't get me wrong, they're all fast compare to traditional HD's. But, no I am not one of those person that will fall for Samsung's big marketing budget and aggressive tactics, not anymore anyways.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/sm...-apple-too

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/...ty-tricks/

Slowest boot up time or not, my laptop currently has a 5400rpm 250gb hitachi drive. Im pretty sure boot up times will improve regardless. Plus, Im getting plenty of space for a really good price. At this moment the Sandisk and Plextor options are either sold out or at least $20 more.

On the other side, I currently use a 830 in my desktop and has proven to be reliable. It's been a few months and have no problems at all.

The topics you are mentioning are not exactly what I was referring to, but thanks for posting them. Was not aware of that.

dubleo 04-21-2013 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slim142 (Post 58995666)
Slowest boot up time or not, my laptop currently has a 5400rpm 250gb hitachi drive. Im pretty sure boot up times will improve regardless. Plus, Im getting plenty of space for a really good price. At this moment the Sandisk and Plextor options are either sold out or at least $20 more.

On the other side, I currently use a 830 in my desktop and has proven to be reliable. It's been a few months and have no problems at all.

The topics you are mentioning are not exactly what I was referring to, but thanks for posting them. Was not aware of that.

The 830 is superior to the normal 840.

waveofdestiny 04-21-2013 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crv12 (Post 58995482)
can u elaborate more on this? im new to the ssd world and dont really understand tlc vs mlc nand yet.

Performance wise, they are very similar. It's really only longevity that is an issue (and a somewhat higher power requirement for TLC drives) but unless you are a "power user" it won't be an issue either. 250GB TLC based drives will last for 7~ years @ 10GB written every single day, every day, for 7 years. MLC based drives will last a lot longer but again, unless you are a "power user" you are likely to never be affected by the shortened lifespan.

Slim142 04-21-2013 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcstuff (Post 58995202)
Just remember: 840 < 830 < 840 Pro!

This is a plain 840 SSD drive.

Yes, but I would appreciate if you can find me the 256Gb 830 for this price.

rob_z11 04-21-2013 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by italysfinest327 (Post 58995576)
I have a late 2008 Macbook with 4gb of ram dual core 2.4ghz processor. Would it be worth it to invest in an ssd, or hold off until the haswell revision later this year. Just dont want to make an investment and it not make that big of an improvement. Thanks in advance..

I have Dell Studio Core2Duo, and I put very same drive with Windows 7 installation. I think it was bit faster, but It was not worth $140 difference in my opinion. We are limited by slower processor and stuff.

I am going to put that drive on my Macbook Pro which is i7/Sandy Bridge, and it will probably scream.

jonathanslam 04-21-2013 06:14 PM

Not a bad deal $145 shipped, no tax in CA.

Slim142 04-21-2013 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubleo (Post 58995682)
The 830 is superior to the normal 840.

Again, this is replacing my laptop's 5400rpm drive NOT my 830 (which is in my desktop).

JustHangingOut 04-21-2013 06:17 PM

Had a 128 Samsung 830, sold it due to lack of space.
Replaced it with a cheap 5400-rpm 750GB Seagate drive that sucked.
Sold that and have a hybrid Seagate Momentus 750GB drive and have been pleasantly surprised at the best of both worlds.

This though at $144 isn't bad at all. The 830 128GB was $89 about 8 months ago. So tempted, but I think I'll wait. Next notebook I get will have a SSD.

centruydeals 04-21-2013 06:19 PM

Like numerous people have said this drive is slow for an SSD. It's still 20 times faster than a HD but its a low end SSD in terms of performance.

I have this drive and my next SSD I will be paying more attention to read/write speeds.

1991cutlass 04-21-2013 06:26 PM

Thanks OP. In for one. Not going to worry about 4$ extra for shipping...no reason to break the deal.


Lol at the ssd snobs saying this is not good because they notice such amazing difference between this and the pro while all they do is troll slick deals. Same people that hate on ocz but have never owned one.

This is a great deal for this drive, I've been waiting for it to come up again.

Tendo1001 04-21-2013 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bestco (Post 58995536)
in terms of speed difference between the 840 and 840 pro, so it won't make a difference if I use my laptop mainly for web browsing or streaming HD videos?

You might notice a 1 or 2 second difference on loading a browser with 400+ tabs open. Maybe, maybe not. In the end though, it really does not matter. If your worried about longevity, its a moot point.

geniv 04-21-2013 06:40 PM

bahh.. salex tax and shipping for NYC :(

eyesonly6587 04-21-2013 07:18 PM

Sorry I'm not too up to date with the technology literature...but how well does this SSD work with a mid-2012 Macbook Pro 13"?

Thanks!

superstition 04-21-2013 07:31 PM

However, HardOCP found that the read speed of the 120 GB model plummeted during testing, because of the poor longevity of TLC NAND. While the drive did not fail, the speed wasn't good. HardOCP said the 120 GB drive is not recommended due to the low endurance of TLC.

TLC NAND also uses more power due to higher voltage requirements.

TLC is still a solution in need of a problem because 19nm MLC is not expensive to produce and has superior characteristics. Furthermore, 128-bit MLC is now being produced which is even less expensive and which still outperforms TLC.

iceblade2008 04-21-2013 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yarnim (Post 58994420)
Lol thats a drive i got for $112 a year ago

i got sandisk for $156 half year agao... ( haven't seem this price $112 )
right now i have samsung 840 non-pro, but somewhat the sandisk is faster,
such as startup, unzip, && installation

doormat 04-21-2013 07:36 PM

"This listing has ended"

DEAD

iceblade2008 04-21-2013 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kleptophobe (Post 58994340)
Man... just ordered a 240gb Sandisk Extreme for $182 from amazon

i use to have sandisk 240gb, now using samsung840 non-pro,

realize that sandisk is faster somehow,
such as startup, unzip, && installations

spinn 04-21-2013 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doormat (Post 58996624)
"This listing has ended"

DEAD

I concur.

dano804 04-21-2013 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zbomb5610 (Post 58995034)
I agree. This drive for this price is worth it.

Ok. Ordered it and cancelled the other one. Thx for the input

blackhawk556 04-21-2013 08:09 PM

why is this dead!!

TidalWaveOne 04-21-2013 08:34 PM

I hate TLC.

fyu 04-21-2013 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TidalWaveOne (Post 58997318)
I hate TLC.

Yea, that channel is trash now.

marvin83 04-21-2013 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fyu (Post 58997644)
Quote:

Originally Posted by TidalWaveOne (Post 58997318)
I hate TLC.

Yea, that channel is trash now.

I always liked Left Eye, as crazy as she was. R.I.P.

marvin83 04-21-2013 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcstuff (Post 58995202)
Just remember: 840 < 830 < 840 Pro!

This is a plain 840 SSD drive.

I don't know why everyone riding Samsung's SSD dick. From the benchmark of the recent Toshiba SSD deals posted, it smokes the shit out of the 840 Pro in almost all the tests, especially latency. Just sayin'.

Binar 04-21-2013 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marvin83 (Post 58997846)
I don't know why everyone riding Samsung's SSD dick. From the benchmark of the recent Toshiba SSD deals posted, it smokes the shit out of the 840 Pro in almost all the tests, especially latency. Just sayin'.

Reliability

Hefewe1zen 04-22-2013 04:25 AM

They're charging tax for NY residents, along with shipping it's a deal breaker (total 65 cents/gb)... otherwise good deal

Gnomatic 04-22-2013 07:20 AM

Just got a message back from the seller, there weren't supposed to be any shipping charges. That was an error. They are issuing me a refund.

I followed up asking, will everyone who ordered also receive a refund? I''d guess that answer is 'Yes' but I'll report back when get a definitive answer.

Gnomatic 04-22-2013 07:30 AM

Just received and answer from the seller to my follow up question.

Quote:

Yes, but we sold 450 pieces, very hard to look them all up, I am waiting for everyone to email me, can you please tell your friends to email me like you did ? I would appreciate it ?

SEND A MESSAGE TO THE SELLER REQUESTING A SHIPPING REFUND!!!


I kind of think they should just auto refund everyone's shipping chargers, but whatever.

DealMayhem 04-22-2013 10:21 AM

Sold out now. Oh well...

superstition 04-22-2013 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Binar (Post 58998410)
Reliability

Payola

bestco 04-22-2013 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marvin83 (Post 58997846)
I don't know why everyone riding Samsung's SSD dick. From the benchmark of the recent Toshiba SSD deals posted, it smokes the shit out of the 840 Pro in almost all the tests, especially latency. Just sayin'.

did you say 840 beat 840 pro in benchmark???

bestco 04-22-2013 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnomatic (Post 59001704)
Just got a message back from the seller, there weren't supposed to be any shipping charges. That was an error. They are issuing me a refund.

I followed up asking, will everyone who ordered also receive a refund? I''d guess that answer is 'Yes' but I'll report back when get a definitive answer.


I checked my paypal account and they charged me $4.87 shipping. haven't received any email yet on the refund. Anyone else?

marvin83 04-22-2013 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bestco (Post 59009462)
did you say 840 beat 840 pro in benchmark???

Pro, in general, but I was referring to the Toshiba deal the other day. It just seems like "OMG Samsung Pro!!!" every time, but benchmarks are 'meh' to other SSD's.

Reference: http://www.storagereview.com/tosh...pgrade_kit

Gnomatic 04-22-2013 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bestco (Post 59009514)
I checked my paypal account and they charged me $4.87 shipping. haven't received any email yet on the refund. Anyone else?

You should request a refund on the shipping charges. I asked for, and received my refund for the shipping.

They will issue the refund if asked, just not necessarily automatically.

superstition 04-22-2013 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marvin83 (Post 59009690)
Pro, in general, but I was referring to the Toshiba deal the other day. It just seems like "OMG Samsung Pro!!!" every time, but benchmarks are 'meh' to other SSD's.

Reference: http://www.storagereview.com/tosh...pgrade_kit

Toshiba is not really a well-known ssd maker. As far as I remember, the last time I looked at one of their deals, I couldn't even find information about what firmware version the drive used and couldn't find a firmware updater on Toshiba's site.

marvin83 04-22-2013 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superstition (Post 59009856)
Toshiba is not really a well-known ssd maker. As far as I remember, the last time I looked at one of their deals, I couldn't even find information about what firmware version the drive used and couldn't find a firmware updater on Toshiba's site.

Maybe not their own branded SSD's, but I'm sure they make some / most of the chips in the current SSD's on the market. Toshiba is huge in the flash memory game and has been one of the most innovative in it.

I can't find firmware info either on their site, but here's the support page: http://support.toshiba.com/suppor...xt=3457059 (hope that link works)

Edit: It uses the SandForce controller.

I think it's just bigger outside the US. Here's another review: http://marosama.blogspot.com/2012...0gbsp.html (you may need to translate / use Google Chrome)

bestco 04-23-2013 10:57 AM

wow! I did receive a refund for the shipping!


Adorama Camera (ebay@adorama.com) has issued a refund for $4.87 USD of your original payment.
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Original payment details:
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* Seller: Adorama Camera
* Seller's Email: ebay@adorama.com
* Original Transaction Amount: $144.86 USD


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Refund Details
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* Refund Amount: $4.87 USD

whu113 04-23-2013 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superstition (Post 58996576)
However, HardOCP found that the read speed of the 120 GB model plummeted during testing, because of the poor longevity of TLC NAND. While the drive did not fail, the speed wasn't good. HardOCP said the 120 GB drive is not recommended due to the low endurance of TLC.

TLC NAND also uses more power due to higher voltage requirements.

TLC is still a solution in need of a problem because 19nm MLC is not expensive to produce and has superior characteristics. Furthermore, 128-bit MLC is now being produced which is even less expensive and which still outperforms TLC.

This is not true. HardOCP said the speed of the 120GB plummeted, but not "because of the poor longevity of TLC NAND". I can't seem to find it anywhere in their article, so I'm going to assume you or someone else made that part up.

In reality, the read speed of the 120GB drive (or any SSD, really) does plummet after it has been used for a while (usually referred to as the "steady state" condition). But, this is NOT because of the poor longevity of TLC NAND, or any other physical degradation of the drive. It is a natural consequence of SSD's running out of free space, since they all need a significant amount of free space to perform optimally. How much free space exactly depends on a lot of things, mostly the controller used in the drive. Sandforce drives (ex: OCZ Vertex 1, 2, and 3 series), especially, do poorly in this regard.

The bottom line is: The 840 is a fine drive. It's not going to fall apart on you like some people seem to insinuate. If it does suffer from performance degradation, well, at least it is no different from any other SSD. And if you're coming from a traditional hard drive, it is like debating night vs. a cloudy day vs. a sunny day.

Vince1 04-24-2013 03:21 PM

Newegg has a 20% discount on some Samsung SSD's. Picked up the 120GB non-pro for $81.98 today.

1 x ($99.99) SAMSUNG 840 Series MZ-7TD120BW 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
$99.99

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superstition 04-24-2013 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HardOCP
Samsung did not bring a smaller capacity than 120GB to market simply because the TLC NAND could not provide the endurance or performance to create a sustainable product. The 120GB version limps in at acceptable for some, but by our estimation falls far short of delivering performance that would be suitable for a normal consumer.

The results of our latency testing initially raised the red flag. We knew that we were going to encounter slow write speeds with this SSD, but what we did not expect was to receive abysmal maximum read and write latency. Latency spikes of this nature are undoubtedly going to lead to interruptions in the flow of computing for users. SSDs with appreciably lower maximum latency can still experience the occasional hiccup, but with ranges of up to 67ms (three times higher than the nearest competing SSD) there is guaranteed to be laggy performance in many scenarios. Users will become accustomed to staring at the little blue spinning circle with this SSD in their system.

The slow sequential speed of the SSD will make simple procedures, such as copying pictures and videos, long drawn out affairs. Bear in mind that some 5400rpm HDDs can write at initial speeds of 140MB/s, and sustain a speed of 80-90MB/s. The fact that the 130MB/s that this SSD provides is even in the range of a 5400rpm HDD speaks volumes.

Endurance does become a concern with this capacity point, falling in at 3.5-4 years of light usage. For many users this simply would not be enough endurance for their use.

Users looking for a 120GB SSD would be best suited to stick with an MLC product, period.

The worst aspect is the extreme amount of read degradation that this SSD suffers once it reaches steady state. The read speed of the 120GB 840 is supposed to be its most redeeming quality, but once in steady state it dropped to the bottom of our charts. Taking away the one advantage of this drive leaves us with nothing more to say.

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Originally Posted by HardOCP
Steady State shows lower numbers that you will not see marketed, as this is the true speed experienced after several months of usage. Many processes are running in the background on the SSD processor to keep speeds as high as possible, but after time the SSD performance degrades and it all comes down to a much lower state. Garbage Collection, Trim, and Write Combining attempt to minimize these effects, but the decline is inevitable. The SSD will eventually settle down into its final state, termed "Steady State."

To simulate this we fill the drive to 75% capacity and then run a 4k random workload over the drive until it has reached steady state. After this, we measure the results of the same tests above with a 16GB LBA. This is a very light stressing of the SSD intended to emulate a typical consumer workload. There are much more stringent methods of testing, but these likely would not represent the typical user case.

The MDX controllers do suffer some read speed degradation in steady state, but for the 120GB 840 this amount of degradation is terrible. This equates to the one strength of the 120GB 840, its read speed, being null and void after regular use.

Quibble all you like.


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